I often wondered whether or not clients care how many other guys a girl they booked might have seen that same day. Over the years I got the impression it really varies a lot from client to client, mainly dependent upon on their personality. I guess clients are aware of this and they will choose another girl if they prefer a low volume provider. Low volume providers seem to be more expensive and often are ‘part-time-providers’, according to my experience. Providers who offer average or lower rates cannot afford to schedule only one or two client a day, if they have more requests coming in for a certain day, I believe. One reason is because this bus is like any other bus, means one has to take her ‘chance’ when bus comes in. Like many other types of businesses this bus is unstable, up and down and often comes in ‘waves’. Another decisive reason is that whole ‘market situation’ within the sex industry has changed drastically during the last 20 or ten years. More and more women ‘push’ into the industry while Asian workers (often brought in by human traffickers) have been undermining the local market for many in years here in the US and in many other Western countries. I remain ‘stunned’ how many people out there still believe that providers make a lot of money. Particularly in bigger cities the market is completely saturated. Many websites out there (which often come and go), all the agencies, who’s owners are often as ‘flaky’ and as incompetent as the girls they hire are a great reflection of this ‘down spiral’ situation of the sex industry.
Of course, I could imagine that high volume might diminish the ‘quality of service’, unless a girl has ‘super-human’ nature. However, choose the Working Girls carefully, following your inner ‘guts’ and you will be fine. It finally comes down to her attitude, her ethics and her coping with diverse circumstances of this bus! There are enough excellent ladies out there. Meet the right one and simply enjoy!
Shame on those who trivialize on of most shameful practices and issues if this century
Whenever detractors run out of reasons excuses to justify their envy and malicious attitude toward the the K-dolls they resort to the term "human trafficking" to justify all their rebutted attacks on the K-dolls.
It is time to put up or shut up. We all have a shared responsibility to report any human trafficking, exploitation and abuse human especially minors and forced labor irrespective of the victims or the perpetrators. We all need to stop, report and speak up against these modern day slavery practices , the subjugation on another human being for economic gain and the exploitation , abuse and corruption of children. Not on this board but in the appropriate forum and with the specialized authorities .
Enough of the self serving conveniently expedient nonsense and let's see some action from those who think they have the inside track on HT , forced labor and underage exploitation and corruption. Don't exploit the misery of others to make a point on a hobby board. Have some decency and some responsibility.
Women enter this business for a reason that is not always noble ( I have know both K-dolls and American who need the money pay college tuition) as pay family debts, get a new opportunity in life while some have a drug habit to support , pay off a loan shark ( local and foreign) , no skills to do anything in life.
Given the strict drug laws with the exception of supporting a drug habit the above examples apply equally to home grown as well as the K-dolls.
As far as I know the K-dolls that visit LA have their passports, tickets and money. Even though they may have an agency the agency has no control over them and they jump from one agency/Booker to another or even go on their own. The majority are here for under 90 days and then leave , the successful ones who are also smart leave with more money than most of Americans make in one year.
Many of those who are here long term have multi year visas, are permanent residents or even citizens. I can mention familiar names but it does not serve a purpose . Se let's close the excuse that we are supporting illegal immigrants . They entered legally and have remained in status..
Those who are successful are among the the nation'stop 1% income earners.
I have rarely paid less than $250 per hour for any provider least of all the K-dolls. With tips the least I donate is $300 per hour and often more than that. Except for the first few hours its a fallacy to claim that K-dolls charge less than home grown independents.
Indeed , for the first few hours they do however as the hours increase the K-dolls. All you have to do is check the LA ad page and compare the cost of extended sessions. So if cost is not a factor for extended appointments for these guys it does necessarily apply in the 1,2,3 hour sessions.
Taste , comfort, personal preference and other variable factors determine choice. Any sex worker on top of her game shall have no fear of the competition.
Human trafficking, forced labor, illegal aliens are too serious , miserable and tragic to exploit on this board especially by those who have no shame. If we care about those who are suffering do something about it instead as using it to demean the K-dolls who after a few years working a maximum of 3 weeks a months are on the ways of becoming independently wealthy self made may i add . Save your tears and pity in not scorn to these in bondage.
Harpmans response got more reads than the OP's post????
Whenever detractors run out of reasons excuses to justify their envy and malicious attitude toward the the K-dolls they resort to the term "human trafficking" to justify all their rebutted attacks on the K-dolls.
It is time to put up or shut up. We all have a shared responsibility to report any human trafficking, exploitation and abuse human especially minors and forced labor irrespective of the victims or the perpetrators. We all need to stop, report and speak up against these modern day slavery practices , the subjugation on another human being for economic gain and the exploitation , abuse and corruption of children. Not on this board but in the appropriate forum and with the specialized authorities .
Enough of the self serving conveniently expedient nonsense and let's see some action from those who think they have the inside track on HT , forced labor and underage exploitation and corruption. Don't exploit the misery of others to make a point on a hobby board. Have some decency and some responsibility.
Women enter this business for a reason that is not always noble ( I have know both K-dolls and American who need the money pay college tuition) as pay family debts, get a new opportunity in life while some have a drug habit to support , pay off a loan shark ( local and foreign) , no skills to do anything in life.
Given the strict drug laws with the exception of supporting a drug habit the above examples apply equally to home grown as well as the K-dolls.
As far as I know the K-dolls that visit LA have their passports, tickets and money. Even though they may have an agency the agency has no control over them and they jump from one agency/Booker to another or even go on their own. The majority are here for under 90 days and then leave , the successful ones who are also smart leave with more money than most of Americans make in one year.
Many of those who are here long term have multi year visas, are permanent residents or even citizens. I can mention familiar names but it does not serve a purpose . Se let's close the excuse that we are supporting illegal immigrants . They entered legally and have remained in status..
Those who are successful are among the the nation'stop 1% income earners.
I have rarely paid less than $250 per hour for any provider least of all the K-dolls. With tips the least I donate is $300 per hour and often more than that. Except for the first few hours its a fallacy to claim that K-dolls charge less than home grown independents.
Indeed , for the first few hours they do however as the hours increase the K-dolls. All you have to do is check the LA ad page and compare the cost of extended sessions. So if cost is not a factor for extended appointments for these guys it does necessarily apply in the 1,2,3 hour sessions.
Taste , comfort, personal preference and other variable factors determine choice. Any sex worker on top of her game shall have no fear of the competition.
Human trafficking, forced labor, illegal aliens are too serious , miserable and tragic to exploit on this board especially by those who have no shame. If we care about those who are suffering do something about it instead as using it to demean the K-dolls who after a few years working a maximum of 3 weeks a months are on the ways of becoming independently wealthy self made may i add . Save your tears and pity in not scorn to these in bondage.
some find it necessary to trivialize something as evil and tragic as human trafficking to promote themselves even though OP are not permitted to include self promotion link. But I guess that is as good a way to unveil the motives as any.
Whenever detractors run out of reasons excuses to justify their envy and malicious attitude toward the the K-dolls they resort to the term "human trafficking" to justify all their rebutted attacks on the K-dolls.
It is time to put up or shut up. We all have a shared responsibility to report any human trafficking, exploitation and abuse human especially minors and forced labor irrespective of the victims or the perpetrators. We all need to stop, report and speak up against these modern day slavery practices , the subjugation on another human being for economic gain and the exploitation , abuse and corruption of children. Not on this board but in the appropriate forum and with the specialized authorities .
Enough of the self serving conveniently expedient nonsense and let's see some action from those who think they have the inside track on HT , forced labor and underage exploitation and corruption. Don't exploit the misery of others to make a point on a hobby board. Have some decency and some responsibility.
Women enter this business for a reason that is not always noble ( I have know both K-dolls and American who need the money pay college tuition) as pay family debts, get a new opportunity in life while some have a drug habit to support , pay off a loan shark ( local and foreign) , no skills to do anything in life.
Given the strict drug laws with the exception of supporting a drug habit the above examples apply equally to home grown as well as the K-dolls.
As far as I know the K-dolls that visit LA have their passports, tickets and money. Even though they may have an agency the agency has no control over them and they jump from one agency/Booker to another or even go on their own. The majority are here for under 90 days and then leave , the successful ones who are also smart leave with more money than most of Americans make in one year.
Many of those who are here long term have multi year visas, are permanent residents or even citizens. I can mention familiar names but it does not serve a purpose . Se let's close the excuse that we are supporting illegal immigrants . They entered legally and have remained in status..
Those who are successful are among the the nation'stop 1% income earners.
I have rarely paid less than $250 per hour for any provider least of all the K-dolls. With tips the least I donate is $300 per hour and often more than that. Except for the first few hours its a fallacy to claim that K-dolls charge less than home grown independents.
Indeed , for the first few hours they do however as the hours increase the K-dolls. All you have to do is check the LA ad page and compare the cost of extended sessions. So if cost is not a factor for extended appointments for these guys it does necessarily apply in the 1,2,3 hour sessions.
Taste , comfort, personal preference and other variable factors determine choice. Any sex worker on top of her game shall have no fear of the competition.
Human trafficking, forced labor, illegal aliens are too serious , miserable and tragic to exploit on this board especially by those who have no shame. If we care about those who are suffering do something about it instead as using it to demean the K-dolls who after a few years working a maximum of 3 weeks a months are on the ways of becoming independently wealthy self made may i add . Save your tears and pity in not scorn to these in bondage.
Here we go again...
Human trafficking has been around for a while and you had your "realization" just now??
You are one of a long list of hypocrites that post on here about human trafficking. How coincidental you post about "asian" trafficking but completely neglect ALL of human trafficking.
You sound like that other provider Hot_Brie who brought up the same issue but then shut her mouth because her reasons were self evident. Where is she now?? She didn't care and neither do you....
Seriously, some of you providers need to get over it. If you are concerned about human trafficking make it happen and not just be transparent about your motives...especially on the TER board where it is obvious you have a hidden agenda that is not so hidden...
Lets see if you still care tomorrow or when business picks up....
hypocrite I call you....
Beemer
Of course, I could imagine that high volume might diminish the ‘quality of service’, unless a girl has ‘super-human’ nature. However, choose the Working Girls carefully, following your inner ‘guts’ and you will be fine. It finally comes down to her attitude, her ethics and her coping with diverse circumstances of this bus! There are enough excellent ladies out there. Meet the right one and simply enjoy!
Not a big fan when I see a post somewhere that says "booked for the day" or "only 1 appointment 1 left".
firstly human trafficking is a victimless crime. the only ones that cry are the individuals with over zealous self righteous beliefs. if anything the migration of immigrant aliens whether illegal or by legal means brings market competition and lowers prices for the consumers. this has been proven time and time again throughout u.s history where the established blame immigrants for loss of jobs, housing, social identity and status. btw are you a pure breed native american and by any chance were your ancestors native american? do you know how your ancestors moved to this nattion? perhaps they were trafficked here at one time.
all those white people who were trafficked here on the Mayflower? Illegally, I might add. Oh, what an injustice! And u can bet the ride was quite a bit more arduous than the one k-girls get on Korean Airlines! ![]()
Is that so? Is hyow you define modern day slavery? Iguess there is still hope for humanity.......
human trafficking is the movement of individual or individuals from one point of location to a final destination for the purpose of avoiding legal immigration checks. slavery on the other hand is to be held against freewill usually for the means of indentured servitude.
people all over the globe are trafficked at any given time but that does not mean people are turned into slaves.
btw if history has taught man anything its human lives are worthless so imho there's no cause for humanity and i will put it into perspective for you. 7 billion people on this planet i definitely won't miss you if you passed on.
. . . why she's not making much money.
She's blaming circumstance, such as ignorant clients, unfair competition, cyclical market conditions . . blah, blah, blah.
The fact of the matter is this business is tough. 20% of the girls make 80% of the money. We all can't be major league baseball players because we don't have the physical (and mental) gifts. While not as extreme, escorting is a little of the same.
Girls that are beautiful inside and out have a very high income. We as consumers know them, and we know why. The OP probably can't quite understand, hence the post of frustration. Mess with that above equation and it means lower income. And that decline isn't not linear.
My advice. It's harsh. Find another line of work.
so the original poster of this thread decides to make it a blame game for her own short comings as a provider. typical knee jerk american reaction to anything foreign or foreign influenced. perhaps she needs more education in the matters of macro and micro economics along with u.s history and world history. how about the original poster making the best of the situation and figure out where her skills and demand is most requested? she probably is not aware of a huge market for white woman in japan for the sex trade. now with that being said will she take the initiative to hop on a plane and fly to japan and explore the industry there. how wise of her to inflict her frustrations of limited income due to fickle customers and unfair competition on immigrants and or human trafficking.
It is just veiled racism I think. Notice how elegantly she brings in "asians" specifically?
Why not eastern europeans, south americans, africans as well?
We all know why. It has been a day alreadysince the OP posted this. Do you think her enthusiasm for curbing human trafficking has ebbed or risen? My bet is that it was never there at all. These kinds of posts (especially targetting asians) are so transparently obvious AND I think smacks of "yellow peril" racism.
Sorry but as the KGC pointed out, hard to call human trafficking on girls that fly in style, shop at Rodeo (to their detriment...ever seen a kgirl shopping bill? I am betting most of you haven't...yikes...no bueno!!).
As I pointed out before..it always the same bunch trying to create the negativity. All hypocrites.
The vast majority of HT is not sex related.
Huge numbers are trafficked in the garment industry. Loads of Mexicans and Central Americans are coyoted over here then they gotta work off their bills. In chinese fast food, yes chinese fast food, plenty of dudes that spent 4 weeks in a shipping container are working off their transportation bill. That little darlin', is human trafficking Gundam Style!
Sex related...the vast majority of sex traffickers and their victims are home grown. Biker gangs, pimps in the ghetto and barrios, drug addicts with bills to pay, are all home grown. 99% of under-aged sex workers are born right here in the good ol' US of A.
Most K-gals I have met are under no obligation to report to work. They are making good money and if they don't like the job they leave. That is one of the reasons so many come and go. They don't last long because they are not held against their will.
The ones that do last a long time like what they do or at least the really like the money.
Attacking K-girls for doing exactly what you are doing, selling sex, is mis-guided at best.
Lets see you talk smack about the Biker Gangs, Mexican Mafia, Bloods, Crypts, ect ect, way before you bash the K-gals.
You make great points but the problem is that the people bashing on them don't really care. This is their only way of making people think negatively of the k orean providers in order to promote themselves.
I brought up many of the points you brought up but in all honesty, they don't really care. A perfect example is provider hot_brie...she brought up the issue and where did she go? Nowhere to be found. Just another hypocrite pushing her own agenda by hiding it under the topic of HT.
What is even sadder is how some of these providers put down the asian providers and then extol the virtues of their own services...how ironic and idiotic.
It is the 3rd day now..do you think she still cares about HT? Of course not.
Beemer
Huge numbers are trafficked in the garment industry. Loads of Mexicans and Central Americans are coyoted over here then they gotta work off their bills. In chinese fast food, yes chinese fast food, plenty of dudes that spent 4 weeks in a shipping container are working off their transportation bill. That little darlin', is human trafficking Gundam Style!
Sex related...the vast majority of sex traffickers and their victims are home grown. Biker gangs, pimps in the ghetto and barrios, drug addicts with bills to pay, are all home grown. 99% of under-aged sex workers are born right here in the good ol' US of A.
Most K-gals I have met are under no obligation to report to work. They are making good money and if they don't like the job they leave. That is one of the reasons so many come and go. They don't last long because they are not held against their will.
The ones that do last a long time like what they do or at least the really like the money.
Attacking K-girls for doing exactly what you are doing, selling sex, is mis-guided at best.
Lets see you talk smack about the Biker Gangs, Mexican Mafia, Bloods, Crypts, ect ect, way before you bash the K-gals.
ignorance of the facts as much as it has to with envy , frustrations at not being able to cut it or compete with the K- dolls so out spite interject HT, and accuse patrons of K-dolls ( I can't speak about all Asians) of supporting the enslavement or at least the forced labor of poor , helpless , exploited young ladies from Korea.
However, when it comes to the serious and shameful issue of HT these haters , rather than try to solve it ,just pass it by. Very convenient , indeed.
Huge numbers are trafficked in the garment industry. Loads of Mexicans and Central Americans are coyoted over here then they gotta work off their bills. In chinese fast food, yes chinese fast food, plenty of dudes that spent 4 weeks in a shipping container are working off their transportation bill. That little darlin', is human trafficking Gundam Style!
Sex related...the vast majority of sex traffickers and their victims are home grown. Biker gangs, pimps in the ghetto and barrios, drug addicts with bills to pay, are all home grown. 99% of under-aged sex workers are born right here in the good ol' US of A.
Most K-gals I have met are under no obligation to report to work. They are making good money and if they don't like the job they leave. That is one of the reasons so many come and go. They don't last long because they are not held against their will.
The ones that do last a long time like what they do or at least the really like the money.
Attacking K-girls for doing exactly what you are doing, selling sex, is mis-guided at best.
Lets see you talk smack about the Biker Gangs, Mexican Mafia, Bloods, Crypts, ect ect, way before you bash the K-gals.
Have you done anything significant to combat HT of "asians" since you posted your concern? I am seriously curious. I hope you were sincere in your concerns and would like to know what your plan is. Have you contacted any of the k girls on CV to see if they need help?
I am seriously curious.
Beemer
While I've never been with a K-girl who was here against her will, before we get overly sanctimonious, many of the girls are here due to some pretty nefarious circumstances back in Korea. Whether it's a debt collection environment that permits prison terms or a healthcare system that leaves parents and family with few options, some of the girls I've been with have rather tragic stories. This business was there only way out.
Frankly, I don't really understand all the hatred that's lashed out toward the K-girls. The K-girls in LA are a cut above relative to the sex industry in any city or country I've been in. I don't pretend to have been everywhere, but I've sampled many and can honestly say that the consistency of the recent (last 5-10 years) K-girl trade in LA is second to none. It seems to have completely suppressed the Chinese girls (which is ironic considering how many Chinese are in LA relative to Koreans) and brought up the quality of the Thai and Vietnamese girls.
If you're a provider in LA, then you're just in an incredibly competitive environment and trying to compete on looks, service, or price is going to be a tough battle for any customer who isn't a racist.
That said, K-girls have a huge disadvantage when it comes to building relationships with customers. A combination of the limited English and limited stays make longer term "romances" challenging. Not trying to be a racist myself but merely responding to the socio-economic realities, there really should be a market for hot Hispanic girls, English speakers, LA natives, who are sick of their crappy job at Starbucks. I've yet to find but a few and for the most part, the Hispanic providers are nowhere as hot as some of the Hispanic girls I see in real life, so what's the point. The K-girls in LA are as hot as any model in any magazine or porn flick which makes a $250 hour an incredible bargain.
I think it's high time that someone branch out. I, for one, don't necessarily have an Asian fetish, I have a beauty fetish, and I would LOVE to sample some of the hot Latinas in So Cal, but alas, the agencies for this don't seem to exist.
And you bring up great points. The issue here is that these providers that post these type of post DONT give a rats ass..it is not for caring but for their own selfish reasons.
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