Wow, there have been quite a supply of those K wonders, all pretty and superb in performance, and affordable too. Does anyone know if there is a kind of big operation to keep the supply? You'd think a big country like China would ship even more, but where would I find some comparable C-girls or J-girls?

The reason there is an influx of K girls is due to the Immigrations Policies of Uncle Sam. Koreans can come here with a visitor's visa for 6 months, no restrictions. No such policy exists for the Chinese of Japanese.

For Koreans and Japanese, tourists can stay for 90 days without visas.  Chinese must apply for visitor's visas from US embassies.  Immigration officers are more tough on Koreans than Japanese.  Sometimes,  K girls don't answer questions correctly and they get sent back right away.  An officer may ask for the purpose on girls' visits and if they hint that they are coming to US to work, then they will be sent back to Korea.

Thanx Counsel, you always have the logical and legal answers.

ok...so we know koreans dominate the LA scene...which makes sense since thats where the koreans mostly live.  

and chinese are allover the place...primarily through the massage parlors and in the suburbs such as alhambra, temple city, etc.  

but where are the japanese????  they don't advertise anywhere.  do the yakuza just keep the girls for themselves???

and speaking of advertising.  do korean's have more money then chinese?.  i mean..pretty much all the koreans advertise in CV which i understand cost 600 to put up the ad and then a montly fee of 150 to maintain.  but i rarely see chinese in CV.  almost all go the cheap route and advertise in the backpage.  whats up with that?  and the incalls are different too.  korean's incalls are in high class condos or apartments.  but chinese are in cheap apartments or dumpy old houses.

any of you guys have any idea?

What is the deal with the language student visas these girls get?

Japanese women are not motivated to go overseas to be providers because:
1. Prostitution laws in Japan are more liberal and more loosely enforced
2. There is little history of Japanese overseas sex trafficking compared with other Asian countries because Japan has been a "developed" country. Usually women go overseas because they have better economic opportunities outside of their home country.
3. Culturally, Japanese tend to avoid inter-racial intercourse. This is seen by the lack of provider services available to gai-jin in Japan.

All Asians are not the same (looks, culture, behavior).

The k-girl escort thing is highly organized -- they have bookers, apartments, transportation, even medical care all organized and the girls are funneled out to the west coast via agencies back in Korea.  The girls we get here aren't even the "A" list girls, the hottest girls work in Korea and make a lot more money, it's entrenched into the business culture there which is absolutely run by misogynist men who use girls as part of the standard business dealing.  Kinda like what we do here taking clients out for drinks.  So that's why there is such a big k-girl provider population, and there's a lot more UTR out there as well.  We're getting crumbs out here in LA compared to the hotties that are available in Seoul.  

I agree that with the Japanese girls it is few and far between due to their insular culture.  If you're in Tokyo you can't even get into the clubs that have girls, they only service Japanese.  Any Japanese girls you find out here in LA are completely independent.  Or they are not even truly Japanese.  They are most likely Korean/Japanese girls.  In all my years of hobbying, I have never run across a truly Japanese agency.  If there are, they will only cater to Japanese.

With the Chinese, these girls are not recruited in China, for the most part.  The girls that end up as "working girls" usually come over here looking for opportunities due to the lack of economic opportunities back home.  Some of them end up working at massage parlors and discover the MP scene, or a happy ending thing, and work themselves up to FS.    I have a Chinese friend who is starting her own massage business, and she says it is no problem finding girls to do massage.  It sure pays a lot more than waiting tables.  Then some of those girls "cross over" to the FS thing, if they have the ability to do so, or have dire economic need to compromise themselves.

You mentioned that you know a C Mamasan. Can you point us to any good C's or J's? I once visited an MP, but the set up seemed to be most inviting for LE, and I couldn't even do it, except for their regular HJ. Boy, I sure would like to find a C or J who comes close to the K's, even tho one guy said we only get the crumbs from Korea. Wow, what do they have in Seoul!! I once had a stunning beauty in China. But her attitude was so icy that no man can get turned on, like, "We both know why we're here. So let's get it over with."

DK59

I think the enslaved theory has beed pretty much de-bunked on this board and it's apparently pretty easy for them to get visas so it would seem they don't need to be smuggled.  So I guess I feel as bad about paying for sex for a girl that needs or wants the money for whatever reason as you do.

The horse's mouth would be the girls and sounds like you have no experience with them.  Rather than second hand bullshit why don't you tell us the percentage and names of the current 100 mostly Koreans on the CV asian section who are enslaved?  Probably not the one I saw recently who was bummed because she forgot her wallet in a friend's car and somebody broke the window and stole it.  She didn't care about the money, credit cards, whatever.  Just the wallet because it was $1,000 Gucci.  And probably not the one who said she had a stalker problem once where the broke the windows in her Mercedes.  I'm not suggesting this means they are all flush with cash, but this idea you have that a high percentage of these LA Koreans are enslaved is what's Bullshit.  But then there's nothing I can say that will cause you to admit you don't have any direct knowledge.  Head too far up tunnel.

I had a close encounter with Immigration and Customs Enforcement and heard it straight from the horse's mouth.   There are a tremendous number of illegal Koreans being smuggled into this country on a regular basis who are enslaved to the smugglers paying off massive debt over years by workign as prostitutes for as little as $100 a client.  If that's okay with you and you can brush it under the carpet of your conscience, there's nothing I can say that will cause you to reognize the reality of the situation.

Hey, this thread has made an interesting turn toward the question of “legality”. In my limited understanding, except for the brothels in NV, all providers in this hobby operate on an illegal basis. Thus the entire hobby is guilty of procuring illegal services. Did I miss anything? In a recent CNBC show, that can be viewed on Hulu,
http://www.hulu.com/watch/83070/cnbc-originals-dirty-money-the-business-of-high-end-prostitution

they show a fight led by a retired provider Carol Lee to legalize the whole thing, kind of a constitutional cause for prostitutional rights. (cons for pros).
On the issue of enslavement, there is always a fraction of this, even among Americans. An ABC nightline showed how some pimps lured gullible teens into such business in Portland, OR. These are all Americans.

Quote from above thread:
"Hey, this thread has made an interesting turn toward the question of “legality”. In my limited understanding, except for the brothels in NV, all providers in this hobby operate on an illegal basis. Thus the entire hobby is guilty of procuring illegal services. Did I miss anything? In a recent CNBC show, that can be viewed on Hulu,
http://www.hulu.com/watch/83070/cnbc-originals-dirty-money-the-business-of-high-end-prostitution

they show a fight led by a retired provider Carol Lee to legalize the whole thing, kind of a constitutional cause for prostitutional rights. (cons for pros).
On the issue of enslavement, there is always a fraction of this, even among Americans. An ABC nightline showed how some pimps lured gullible teens into such business in Portland, OR. These are all Americans. "

These girls in my opinion are doing this of there own free will, they can come and go at there own free will. Some stay for a short time and some stay alot longer and go out on their own. There will always be the crowd that is morally opposed to this proffession and they will try and come up with some reasoning to justify their views. I say these women are fantastic and we are lucky to have them, most seem to have a real friendly and good attitude about what they are doing. Everyone has issues but I think that the tunnel is way off base on this one.

I agree. Some of the guys who are on a higher moral plane should stay away from this hobby altogether, because there will always be some illegal aspect to it. I have met several K-girls and found them to be happy and enthusiastic in their service. One even bragged that she'll make the rounds in NY and Vegas before returning to LA. Another, receiving consistent 9 from several of us, amazed us by her eagerness to give so readily. We honestly forgot that it was a service!

is probably more acting than love of the job.  I just don't buy that the $250 K girls are enslaved and it seems pretty apparent that the guy that thinks we're in denial has no first knowledge.

You have no argument from me. I only meant to say that they do not seem to work under duress. I of course dare not say if they love the trade or not. In fact, in a Time/Gallup survey of society’s workforce, the conclusion was that only 8% truly loves our jobs. In anonymous honesty, people polled were to respond to the question, “If you win a super lotto today, would you continue to work at the present job?”
 So, the K’s are not that different from the rest of us. We all work for money and try to put our best foot forward. But we do appreciate recognition and praise on top of money. In their case, such recognition presumably comes in the form of rave reviews and good tips. One Quebec lady asked me if she did well enough for excellent ratings. That must be of great significance to many of them.