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improper behavior pledge
palomamontecarlo See my TER Reviews 602 reads
posted
1 / 23

In order to understand that while many of us do care about our health, safety and future, others may feel that it is ok and acceptable to endanger the health and safety of others. I guess it is worst and a more prominent problem than most think and the only way to end it is to a) have a strict policy of not offering this whatsoever b) not request it whatsoever no matter how good she looks or how convincing you may be.  
While I do think that you did the right thing by getting tested, please be aware that many diseases do take time to show up, therefore, a brief careless moment can carry a lot of headaches and future preoccupations.
Please gentlemen do us and yourself a favor, do not request it nor bring your test results to the dates.. It is just an unnecessary and unsafe request that endangers all of us.

crazyshit 725 reads
posted
2 / 23

I also feel that what happens between two people is their business, and theirs alone.  Let's not kid ourselves.  BBFS happens, whether it be a result of a stripper slide that went too far, whether it's a situation of certain providers offering it in exchange for a "10/10" review, or whether it's a service that a provider offers a client simply because she has known him for so long.  The fact is that everyone in this activity or whatever you wanna call it is sexually active, and we need to assume the best but prepare for the worst, as the saying goes.

I am completely supportive of how you handle it for yourself, and how you choose to be responsible.  That is admirable in every single way.

I don't feel like you are getting on a soapbox and preaching to everyone else as much as just kinda venting and sharing, and that's totally cool.  Again, admirable.

I'm just saying that in reality...it happens, and it will continue to happen.

We can talk about this until we are blue in the face, but those who choose to partake in it or offer it are gonna do it regardless.  And the sad truth is that if you live in a very sexually active metropolitan area like, say, Manhattan, you will find that lots of unsafe sexual activity happens.  I can't even begin to tell you how many of my peers and colleagues in NYC did the drunken hookup with some random girl he met at the bar or in some restaurant or club, and condoms weren't used.

Again, this doesn't justify it, and it sure as hell isn't meant to give any reassurance that playing this sort of Russian roulette is safe or harmless or less risky.

I think if we all practice safe sex, we can breathe a little easier.  But the truth is that we are doing something risky by being sexually active, and nothing is risk-free.

Thanks for posting what you did.  I admire and respect what you wrote.  It was straightforward without being condemning or preachy.

mufftime 270 Reviews 662 reads
posted
3 / 23

Why it took four times to come to the decision to stop
that behavior?

EasyGoing4U 64 Reviews 621 reads
posted
4 / 23

"Your a braver man than I Gunga Din" . I prefer the provider saying "No glove, no love".
Let's be safe for the good of us all.

random133 117 Reviews 577 reads
posted
5 / 23

Yes. We know that. We also know that ripoffs, assaults and outings happen. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to educate ourselves, encourage safer behavior and take responsibility for our curious little corner of the world. No one here expects BBFS to disappear tomorrow no matter how enlightened we become. But just because we can't drive it to zero is no reason to not at least try to confront it. Just as we would ripoffs etc.  

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Shaunna See my TER Reviews 577 reads
posted
6 / 23

Completely agree with everything Crazyshit has said, in fact i think he stole my words :-) xx

 
Posted By: crazyshit
I also feel that what happens between two people is their business, and theirs alone.  Let's not kid ourselves.  BBFS happens, whether it be a result of a stripper slide that went too far, whether it's a situation of certain providers offering it in exchange for a "10/10" review, or whether it's a service that a provider offers a client simply because she has known him for so long.  The fact is that everyone in this activity or whatever you wanna call it is sexually active, and we need to assume the best but prepare for the worst, as the saying goes.  
   
 I am completely supportive of how you handle it for yourself, and how you choose to be responsible.  That is admirable in every single way.  
   
 I don't feel like you are getting on a soapbox and preaching to everyone else as much as just kinda venting and sharing, and that's totally cool.  Again, admirable.  
   
 I'm just saying that in reality...it happens, and it will continue to happen.  
   
 We can talk about this until we are blue in the face, but those who choose to partake in it or offer it are gonna do it regardless.  And the sad truth is that if you live in a very sexually active metropolitan area like, say, Manhattan, you will find that lots of unsafe sexual activity happens.  I can't even begin to tell you how many of my peers and colleagues in NYC did the drunken hookup with some random girl he met at the bar or in some restaurant or club, and condoms weren't used.  
   
 Again, this doesn't justify it, and it sure as hell isn't meant to give any reassurance that playing this sort of Russian roulette is safe or harmless or less risky.  
   
 I think if we all practice safe sex, we can breathe a little easier.  But the truth is that we are doing something risky by being sexually active, and nothing is risk-free.  
   
 Thanks for posting what you did.  I admire and respect what you wrote.  It was straightforward without being condemning or preachy.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 419 reads
posted
7 / 23

Why would you hide behind an alias and not put your name on it.....just curious, that's all. We're all hiding here in some way.....

perfectstorm 19 Reviews 411 reads
posted
8 / 23

For a few years on several boards, including GD, NY, and LA. He has tons of reviews under that alias. He sends and receives PMs under that alias. That alias is no different than a regular handle. I'm not white knighting him. Lol. I disagree with a lot of his posts (but this one was good). I just think it is silly to say he is "hiding" behind an alias.

crazyshit 339 reads
posted
9 / 23

Pretty simple, actually.  And I use it to weed out the people who can't figure out that you can PM an alias even though it doesn't have a hyperlink next to it that allows you to do that.

Kinda weeds out the schmucks.  :)

crazyshit 392 reads
posted
10 / 23

You are entitled to think that, and you absolutely should.

You said something about "that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to educate ourselves..."

Not sure how this is educating, though.  I mean, we all know BBFS is extremely risky.  We also know that people do it.  So one guy saying he did it four times and felt bad about it is education?  Um, okay.

Yes, this is about us confronting it, and I agree with that.  I said as much in my response.  I'm not saying not to say anything about it.  He wants to discuss it, and I'm discussing it.  And I'm saying that the solution is, "Expect the best, prepare for the worst."

In other words, bag it.

And if you think that having that discussion on a board will somehow make someone else think twice about it and not do it...great.  I applaud that.

I just don't think it will have an impact, not even a marginal one.

Or maybe you're the kinda guy who just feels the need to +1 everything.  Good for you.  Give some latitude to the rest of us who don't feel the need to do so.

G2 360 reads
posted
11 / 23

Knowing that should make us pause for a minute and consider the situation, because the day WILL come when we look back at our past exploits and wonder WTF was I thinking!  Better to ask and answer that question now, rather than later.

Almost every guy grows up trying to "get as much as he can," and BB is an extension of that way of thinking  It starts out when we're young and trying to feel a boob for the first time, and eventually progresses to wanting to have bareback sex, because that's the ultimate prize, or at least it used to be.  So it takes a real effort to use willpower to overcome the universal desire to get as much as we can, especially for older guys like me that remember sex in the carefree 1970's and 80's.  So while it's easy for the usual chorus of people to tell you how dangerous BB is for the benefit of the board, let's not kid ourselves, we're fighting a primal instinct and need to be prepared.

It helps me to have a plan, as lame as that might sound.  I'll spend some time thinking about what I want to do beforehand, and what condom I intend to use etc, and then have it out and ready so I can stick with the plan.  Otherwise, it's just too easy to "forget."  I've had a love/hate relationship with condoms for decades, which currently is about 95% hate, so I have to consciously work not to succumb to the temptation of a warm and wet pussy once things get started.  It's just much easier for me to make that decision before clothes hit the floor.  Because after that, it's just a battle of willpower and eventually you'll lose

SHE-1 See my TER Reviews 367 reads
posted
12 / 23

if i may ask a question...how many of you hobbyists carry a condom in your wallet?  or bring one to a session with a lady?

traveler_in_LA 466 reads
posted
13 / 23

I am glad that you reached a very wise decision, but I don't feel your assumption is correct. During the last 12 months, I have seen over 30 "well respected, highly rated, well known young ladies" and it has not happened to me once. Unless it has happened to many other hobbyists, I think your experience may be just a fluke (if it's true). Generally speaking, I don't believe BBFS happens frequently. I would suggest you continue to get tested because you may not be in the clear, unless you get HIV early detection test. If someone is HIV infected then she would not be concerned with catching something so BBFS is more likely. It's just something for you to think about so you can stick with your pledge. Good luck.

romanticbello 43 Reviews 266 reads
posted
14 / 23

I've been watching this post grow and the right question has appeared to add my 2¢.

Most providers provide them so I have only brought when asked.  In one instance I was the first client for a out of town provider.  She was a favorite so I brought her the biggest box I could find of her requested brand.  In the next instance I was seeing a UTR and met in a hotel close to work.  We had already DATYed and I was SO ready to go when she told me she forgot to bring condoms........I stared at the ceiling for about 20 seconds and went to the closest store to get some.  Very last instance I was seeing a lady who is no longer in the biz....she texted me on the 2nd of the month, was short on rent and offered BBFS for 100 extra.....NOPE!   I never go into battle with out my Rubber Hooyes!!!

Most of us have SOs and having condoms even in a 50yd proximity will raise a HUGE RED FLAG!!!

EasyGoing4U 64 Reviews 297 reads
posted
16 / 23

I always have some stowed away in the car or tuck a couple in the pocket if I have seen the provider before. I have had to retrieve them on 2 occasions.

G2 323 reads
posted
17 / 23

Like I said, I have a bad history with condoms, so I try to improve my odds by having a fresh/unopened box of whatever brand works best for me (no antiques from the wallet).  If you can't risk taking them home, just leave them behind, she can always use them.

If she insists on using her condoms, that's fine too- at least you're having the conversation instead of acting like you forgot, which I don't think ever really happens if we're honest with ourselves.

I don't know if the OP is single nor not- I am, so I was commenting from that POV about risk tolerance.  But if you have an S.O. this should be even more of a no-brainer, because nothing ends a marriage or relationship faster than bringing home something that requires a trip to the doctor.  I was on the receiving end of this back in 1990 when I was in a monogamous relationship (I thought) and suddenly came down with some symptoms my doc said were chlamydia!  I knew I'd been monogamous, but my GF still denied everything.  Then when it was obvious she'd been screwing around, she admitted she banged a guy at the office Christmas party!  We were on a 10-day trip to Hawaii when all this hit the fan, so you can imagine how much fun that was.  Lesson learned!

jackmacguyver 468 reads
posted
18 / 23

So, we are discussing BareBackFullService.  
 Me, the only thing a provider can catch from me is motherhood.  And I know!!!  
 Provider, I have not come across any provider that wasn't extremely careful (translate that professional)!
You see the number, it's 50.  
  My university days.  There was A LOT more being passed around by college co-eds than ANY provider.
  I have not come into contact with any provider that I even thought might have had anything that could be considered questionable or passed to a Hobby-ist.  I mean not even a scratchy throat or a cough!  So if a provider went bareback with you she has already determined that you are "safe", because in this internet, info at the speed of wireless communications world, EVERYBODY is gonna know that somebody caught something in about 30 seconds!!!  That would be career ending, 4 her.  Providers are garnering equivalent pay scales to people with a Bachelors AND a Law Degree.  Would you risk that !?!?!?!  Nope . . .

Jonathan

PS  I'm miserable because, I'm lookin' 4 love (w/ JUST one!  I ONLY want ONE.)  In all the wrong places (and I'm required to wear a raincoat).

TO: Safety Girl, U kw who U are.  Your # is #757.  Failing to water a baby tree is the same as TMLS.  BTW no baby is ever gonna mess your body up the way you already have in the name of vanity.  

Ladies:  If you want bigger boobies, STAY AWAY from the plastic surgeon.  They'll tell you whatever they think you want to hear to get YOUR MONEY.  Take THE PILL.  It has progesterone in it.  A girl-friend(years past) went from a B to a DD.  WHEW was she SURPRISED!!! She had to go out and refit her upper wardrobe because the entirety of her titslings were completely inadequate.  Also she did not loose the subtle sensations in her breasts that are lost with augmentation.  A talented milkman can make you climax!!!  Anything else while I'm on my soap box?  Farrah?  Anyone?  . . .

crazyshit 355 reads
posted
19 / 23

You are probably correct in that any kind of transmission of disease or outbreak is something that will be communicated quickly in this day and age.  However, that doesn't really hedge out the fact that you might just catch something and then of course find out too late.  There is still a six-month incubation period between infection and it showing up on a standard HIV test that tests for antibodies.  With herpes or other STDs...not sure about the incubation periods there.

And yes, there is a lot more BBFS going on in the civilian world than we probably think.  And while providers are likely in some sense more careful (at least, we'd like to think that), that's still a bad comparison to make.  We all know that BBFS is a risky activity, and all it really takes is one outbreak to cause some real issues.  Look at the porn industry to see how one outbreak shut everything down.

That said, I just don't think someone posting about his guilt for doing it is gonna change things even marginally.  It's good to talk about it, and I think that there has been good discussion so far, but the idea that someone posting about it will change the prevalence of it...I don't buy it.

I have no idea what the rest of your post was about, though.

Carla_capri See my TER Reviews 318 reads
posted
20 / 23

Yep muff I am curious 4 times to wake up ?and think with a big head?lol
Listen I am not judging you  
BUT COMON most of   You guys are married
why put in risk the healthy of  
 YOUR LOVED wife and destroy your marriage and worse  
HURT your woman and family  

THINK??
FOR 4 seconds of wet warm pussy????? WORTH?
LET S PLAY Safe..
WIth responsibility For other people life
NOBODY Are a children  here...
I can believe some girls do that WTF..
Sex is alawys a  risk a even with protection
WHY higher the risk?

Sorry if sound mean or harsh just my opinion
Tons of love everyone
CC

 

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jackmacguyver 322 reads
posted
21 / 23

Posted By: crazyshit
You are probably correct in that any kind of transmission of disease or outbreak is something that will be communicated quickly in this day and age.  However, that doesn't really hedge out the fact that you might just catch something and then of course find out too late.  There is still a six-month incubation period between infection and it showing up on a standard HIV test that tests for antibodies.  With herpes or other STDs...not sure about the incubation periods there.  
   
 And yes, there is a lot more BBFS going on in the civilian world than we probably think.  And while providers are likely in some sense more careful (at least, we'd like to think that), that's still a bad comparison to make.  We all know that BBFS is a risky activity, and all it really takes is one outbreak to cause some real issues.  Look at the porn industry to see how one outbreak shut everything down.  
   
 That said, I just don't think someone posting about his guilt for doing it is gonna change things even marginally.  It's good to talk about it, and I think that there has been good discussion so far, but the idea that someone posting about it will change the prevalence of it...I don't buy it.  
   
 I have no idea what the rest of your post was about, though.
The second half of the post would only be understood by "Someone" with specific recent personal experience.

crazyshit 263 reads
posted
22 / 23

Not surprisingly, I didn't understand your response in the thread above about providers wanting references.

You answered some question, evidently, just not the question that was asked by the provider.  :)

VICTOR_H. 62 Reviews 263 reads
posted
23 / 23

Men who avoid bbfs imagine it's rare, and women who oppose it likewise. But they're both being misled by their self-selected samples. Men who look for it and women who offer it have a clearer idea of its availability and acceptance.

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