Howdy -  
So, I'm pretty new to the hobby and am pretty safety conscious.  While reading reviews of GFE providers and getting all excited about the possibilities, once my big head gets a little input (instead of Mr. Happy's head which is, of course, YES - I WANT ALL THAT) I really start to wonder.  It seems that either there's a boatload of STI's running around in the hobby community, or it really is low risk? Are there are actual reliable ways of mitigating or even eliminating the risks?  Clearly - one would never would want to go bareback fucking.  That's a given.  But what about the other stuff?

When I read the many exciting reviews of the K-girls, for instance, I read about the "mouthwash" toast.  Do people really believe that some Listerine is enough to kill off the bad stuff that a woman's mouth could potentially send down their pee-hole?  Or enough to protect their mouth from a possible STI from a woman's pussy when DATY?  Providers - what makes you feel safe about giving the BBBJ?

These are not rhetorical questions.  I'd really like to hear feedback from people - particularly those hobbyists who regularly engage in these kinds of acts with providers.  And I'd love to hear from the providers who provide these services - what makes you feel safe enough to provide these services?

Believe me - I WANT them! But they scare the crap out of me.

So - unleash your comments on me.  Not meant to piss anybody off, though for some reason I wonder if it might for some.

Thanks in advance for the sincere feedback that may ensue.  The not-so-sincere stuff - maybe it will at least be entertaining.

...the K-girls, Harpman60.  Do you really want to be the 11th guy she's see in one day?  Try to be the first one - in this case, the early bird doesn't get the worm (that's a good thing).

I actually read up quite a bit on this subject and it turns out there are only a handful of 100%, air-tight activities you can perform with ABSOLUTE safely.  The question, like all things in life, is risk tolerance.  There's no way, for example, for an STI that's passed through fluids to penetrate an intact condom.  Very rarely though, condoms can tear.  Oral sex is a pretty inefficient way to transmit most STIs (especially the receiving end).  But inefficient doesn't mean never.  There's ALWAYS a risk.  If you can't handle that, you're in the wrong hobby or you should stick to things like hand jobs  or Russian massage which carry no risk.

Yes, you hit the nail on the head.  I usually try to book early, definitely try to avoid late.  But the service is so great that I would never want to give up on K-girls!.  Saw one just recently and it was great.  I do think they are reasonably safety conscience.  I been doing this hobby since the early 1990s and never had a problem catching anything.  The only time I got a bit concerned and had myself checked out was when I a stripper from a strip club I was at on a business trip took me home with her.  That was back in my younger days where I could sometimes get some quick action without paying.  In many ways, seeing a provider is actually a lot safer than picking a girl up at a bar.  That stripper barebacked me, very few providers would do that.  Some do though and are best avoided if you can identify who.  So yeah, once my big head got control back of my thought process the worrying started.  Fortunately everything was fine.  

In many ways it is hard to beat a provider.  It might even actually be safer unless you are careful about who you hook up with.  With a provider you usually don't have to worry about some psycho girl stocking you plus you would often have to spend at least that much dating someone before you got some action.

Oh and I also got a lesson on how I should not think a stripper would look at such a situation the same way as a provider.  The second time I saw her she was all "ohhh I love you I love you" and me....I could not get on that flight out of that state fast enough!  You don't have those problems with providers guys.  I rest my case.  :-

I would prefer a real true low volume provider.

Just want to start off by saying this is an important topic. A topic which doesn't get brought up as frequently as it should. I know everyone would not like to think about it.

Second. Everyone who hobbies, uses Backpage, or CL (god forbid), should get tested regularly. Both providers and clients.

In a perfect world, along with the background verification, i.e. references, and work info, I believe one should be forth coming of the health status. Even when protect sex is on the menu.
Funny how in checking 411 / work /provider reference, never asked a question regarding health.

 
Lastly, instead of washing your mouth with Listerine, I believe a mouth rinse of H2O2 is better. Listerine is mostly alcohol which kills the good bacteria along the the bad bacteria.  

Yes, the only way to avoid any kind of std is abstinence.  

Take care and be careful out there.

My initial reaction to this post was "why the slam on K-girls?"  I concluded, however, that the gist of the post had nothing to do with K-girls, but rather with the management of risk, no matter who the provider is.  I'm confident that the OP will confirm that.

That said, while I agree that there is probably a positive correlation between risk and the volume of clients a provider sees, I suspect that the K-girl niche is among the most safe we could patronize.  They are by far the most disciplined sector of the market, with predictable safety precautions, and in those rare instances when those precautions lapse, there is usually an outcry among their patrons.  No system is perfect, and risk management requires a sober assessment of each situation.  But as a veteran hobbiest, with experience with a very diverse range of providers, I have found the k-scene to be among the best on this particular topic.

If we were smart we would legalize it, then parties would be safe (both sides), testing would be required and the whole thing can be managed rather nicely.

If we were smart , the tax revenue would be helping our schools and helping people that are not in the industry out of their own choice. We would have funds to support programs that combat all the bad elements.

If we were smart we would not fight battles we can not win and concentrate on managing things like this industry so that everyone is happy with results.  

If we were smart we would vote based on real issues and not party lines.  

But hey we just like to party! Then crash then party again!

I think a lot of people that work in this industry enjoy it, making this industry legal would be the only way to have safety (all sorts) FOR EVERYONE

+1!

...other providers.  It wasn't my intent to slam them but just to make sure guys go in with as much info as possible.

Awesome tip - thanks

of course, you're right.  Seems like a CBJ and maybe the use of a dental dam (uck) is the safe way to go.  (Saw an interesting article that suggested cutting the end off a condom and slicing it lengthwise to make an impromptu barrier for DATY.)

I guess you'd have to bypass most kissing, too to be really safe.

As others have said - how much risk can one tolerate?

Definitely not a slam on k-girls.  Turns out that's just the majority of the GFE ads/reviews I read.  I'm intoxicated by them right now.  (Haven't had the pleasure yet - certainly hope to)

Definitely just a general inquiry on how people are feeling about the relative risk and how they sleep at night with it.

Safety is always an issue. The showers & pre-showers ritual with these k-girls is not only for cleanliness,(unless you have a nasty fetish for brown & golden showers) but to visually & sometimes physically inspect you for any issues you may have. They are well versed or trained on what to look for as the last thing they want is to get sick or hurt.
Volume is really not an issue, as with any service industry  this is just business as usual or there would be no advertising or price rates involved.
GYT &  just  play as safe with your limits as you feel secure with

One poster said to legalize it so it can be taxed and that there be testing.  That is not a good reason.

Marijuana is now legal in two states.  There is still a street market because the taxes are so high that a tax free street dealer can undercut them.  The street guy has no rent or taxes to pay, no electric bill, no insurance or business license, no credit card fees, etc.

Testing would just add costs.

What I favor is stepwise legalization.  Decriminalizing it is a better first step.  That way, it's no longer a felony but a civil, business matter.

There are a lot of stuff out there, like hepatitis, HPV, not just HIV and syphilis.  Obama should wage a war on hepatitis.

Take a visit to the red light district of Amsterdam, then come back and report to us on the fun values to be had there.  Hot chicks at great prices that might even make the K-girls blush.  As for how well any tax and test systems might be working there, I don't know.  But it is sure a fun LEGAL place to play at a great value.  The free market at its finest!

Girls who are safety conscious do not do rim jobs

You mean that licking 10 butts a day is not an issue. Lol

The risk is small, but a lot of life is a trade off of risk and reward.  
I started seeing K girls about 8-9 years ago, roughly 3 sessions a month since.  
Never had a problem with an STD (knock on wood).
Each K-girl is different in what they are comfortable with (like non K-girls), how careful they are about inspections and cleanliness, what they allow.  
You can choose what you want to do, Rim, no rim, BBBJ, CBJ.
DATY is up to you also, most will offer, some won't.  

My approach to KGirl safety:  
1. Obviously, no BBFS, I've never even had it offered.
2. BBBJ is pretty safe. Risk of HIV is nearly zero, risk of GC very small for the guy, HSV risk non-zero but low.  Most K-girl providers will give you a look before they BBBJ to check if it's OK, a very few will ask. I've always gone along with the BBBJ . But if you're really worried about it, just decline and ask for a condom.  
3. The shower routine is to clean you up but is also a close inspection by the better providers. It's also really fun with most providers. It's a good place for you to judge how careful they are with cleanliness which may influence what you do afterwards. You can also do a little inspecting of your own.
4. The mouthwash toast won't really clean the cooties out of either of your mouths, it's just to make your breath less rank.  
5. I don't know this but I suspect the girls that get something are pulled out of the rotation pretty quickly.
6. DATY:  Small risk of HSV, GC. Biggest risk to my mind is HPV which is the main  reason I'm not a big DATY fan. HPV is a long term risk, no acute issues. But it's enough of an issue that I don't make DATY a part of my normal routine with providers. However, there are times when I'm having a really hot session and DATY fits the mood (I have to say, it usually does make it a better session). I'd say 1/2 of the KGirls offer 69 by turning around at some point during BBBJ, if you don't want to partake, just don't. You can rub things with your hands, which might just be massaging her butt or legs, and keep your tongue to your self.  
7. Early sessions: I nearly always do early afternoon sessions. Most of the girls seem fresher, less tired, less sore, more responsive, etc.
8. FIV: Very low risk but I don't get real deep and keep it superficial. FIA: Low risk but I never penetrate, occasionally rub on outside. (assuming no cuts or broken skin on your hands/fingers).
9. Kissing: Very low risk.  
10. Rim: I rarely let a provider rim me, I never rim provider. Higher risk for cooties (Hep ABC, etc)  and I just find it kind of gross.  
11. P2P: Depends on how hot and heavy the P2P is. I'm a fan of P2P but it's got to be non irritating/chafing which means skin to skin, no razor stubble, good slippery surfaces with lots of saliva or lube or soap (in the shower).
12. Testing: I get tested every 3-6 months and have my vaccinations up to date including Hep B.  

However, if you have sores in your mouth or dick, bleeding gums, cuts on your fingers, hands, or broken skin anywhere that will be part of the session, do not go to a session, wait till it heals up completely.

Now that's what I call a thorough response.  Well thought out.
Thanks, nearlynapping, for that.  And thanks to everyone else who piped in.

Generally, everything is pretty much safe but if the p2p is too much with slight penetration, you can catch an infection.  It wouldnt show up on any std test but you would definitely have something and it would require antibiotics to clear.  For a female that smells down there, that usually means an infection and can be caught if doing p2p.   Just dont do intense p2p or none at all and you will be fine.

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