Anyone is confused about these 2 terms, pls raise your hand. It took a real expert GaGambler to pronounce that we should not let a small confused minority to bully us into changing the English language to suit them.
It all started with a dozen Kgirls in SF area who advertised PSE to imply BBFS. Of course some assholes fell for that. But a small confused minority started to add confusion into our language, implying that the 2 terms are synonymous. .  
I'm curious. Are there more than 10% on this board who doesn't understand the difference between those two terms?

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On the other board.  Even, for the sake of argument, only 10% of the hobby community, both providers and customers, think the terms are synonymous, it WILL cause problems and misunderstandings for the other 90% of the community.  

It certainly can be used to mean BBFS. Perhaps in the past it absolutely didn't, but language changes with time. Ultimately we need clarity of language and at minimum contextual clarity. This means that if it's not obvious what PSE means we need new language to describe that service.

I stand by my words. Especially those last three words I mentioned at the end of my post. lol

It's not even all California, just SF Bay area where some Koreans whose understanding of English is limited, gave havoc to the hobby world. As a former CA Gov said, "Are you guys girly men, or what?" We stand firm to protect our language.

those girly men who are prone to cave to Kgirls.

but it says a lot more about the guys who are going to let handful of Korean hookers dictate to them how the entire country is now supposed to change the meaning of a term that has been in use for years.

Urban Dictionary. Does it have a Korean version?

toothpaste CAN be put back in the tube.  My only point is that once its in common usage as it is in SF and more recently LA that PSE = BBFS, there are going to be problems unless providers make it clear in their ads that offer PSE that they DO NOT mean BBFS.  

What you are suggesting, actually what you are "demanding" is that the entire country kowtow to a handful of K-girl and fanboys because a "lot" of them have corrupted the term.

But there's quite a few that as soon as they see PSE on a review, it's "Oh boys, she's does BBFS". I've heard and know that when a girl gets a mention of PSE in her review, the cock roaches come out of the woodwork.
Not sure what this KGirl thing is all about but you asked if "there's more than 10% on this board who doesn't understand the difference between those two terms?"..my answer is that they don't know, and they don't care.

I think it would be VERY scary to show up to an appointment where a man thought that I was offering BBFS when I was absolutely only offering PSE and NOT BBFS. YIKES.

It's costs you nothing to say "Absolutely No BBFS" in your ads/websites, and you gain absolute clarity.

And see what the state of the nation is compared to now.  I'm guessing the term PSE will be more widely used to indicate BBFS in cities across the US that have a Kgirl agency presence.  I think the tendency to say PSE is because it sounds more genteel than BBFS in advertising and promotion.

The only time I had a gentleman assume GFE was BBFS was an international client.
I have seen girls in other countries like Australia says BBFS is part of their PSE...

Within the context of our hobby, we can define our terms all we want -- by 'we' I mean regular, sophisticated hobbyists -- and we should.  But in the end, the language usage is generally beyond anyone's control, and definitions will morph and go where the flow takes them....  Alas for clarity and precision....

bastardize OUR English. Should I introduce a new term for those who kowtow to the Kgirls? How about Kgirly men? (just kidding, don't overreact!)

GFE+ is already a rather ambiguous term that is thrown around that doesn't have universally accepted meaning, Why not use PSE+ to convey the meaning these girls are trying to get across?

PSE+ would be an excellent way to differentiate.  Good idea.  Now . . . . . how to get everyone to go along would be the challenge.  

all they are contrasting is the confused tiny minority vs the un-confused vast majority.
But if PSE+ will do the trick, I'll drink to that.

i thought Extreme GFE was the polite shorthand for BBFS ...and now its possibly PSE ...i thought that was for BBBJ and BBBJCIMNQNS  and LSD and NFL and LBJ and some LAX and dont forget a little NBA.    gosh i am getting too old for all this about ...lets just simplify to just  FMBYWLMMA  ....."fuck me but you wont last more than a minute anyway"    

If you can't advertise as GFE you probably can't advertise as PSE either, so it's a non-starter.

When "most" reviewers say PSE about us they mean "raw wild uninhibited dirty sex" and NOT BBFS.  I suppose over time when guys get punched in the face or blacklisted for trying to nonconsensually fuck providers without condoms THAT will be the loudest message of all.

minority, but don't yet have enough experience to know it.  They misguidedly THINK they're in the majority.  With age comes an awareness of what you don't know and have yet to learn.  YOU don't know what you don't know, so your conclusions based on a lack of information are invalid on their face.  I'm guessing your response will prove you have no clue what I'm talking about.  We'll see.  

I'll see if we can carry this to the bitter end.
You sound like a clueless Kgirly man prone to cave in to K bookers because you need to Brown nose to them.  

He has too much time on his hand, and every post is a chance for him to crave attention. Let me tell you a story to illustrate. He once bragged that he was invited by a Kgirl to meet her parents. Sure, because they wanted to buy snake oil. LMAO.

You sure spend a lot of time and energy posting about and bringing attention to someone you are allegedly trying to ignore.

At the end of the day though, I realized this specific debate doesn't matter to me anymore.  I am going to see whom I want to see, based mainly on appearance and my research, and it is up to me to accept or decline the services that are offered.

Both clueless.  My work here is done.  Lol

I'm glad other people are also confused by the term PSE. I always thought PSE was Greek, COF, FIA, CIM (some cases CIMNQNS), and basically just like hardcore porn. Now we have a bunch of providers & hobbyists cropping up with crazy requests/demands... Ayyyyyyy smh

We aren't allowed to use those terms in our ads or they get deleted and we suffer recourse

but what is happening thanks to a handful of K-girls and the guys who won't stand up to them is that the terms are being corrupted and the meanings changed to imply that PSE is now "code" for BBFS.

Ah yes, just demand that people you have no contact with stop using words that you have a different definition before.  

Just to be safe because of some idiots out there in the west coast, especially the SF area, who think that PSE is synonymous with BBFS, I suggest just leaving PSE out of your ads. It'll only confuse guys and possibly inquire if u offer it.

First, I can't ignore him because he took every chance to attack me. But notice I don't sink to his level to converse with him. I have friends who watch my back and keep score. On the average, for every 2 or 3 attacks he launched against me, I fired back only once.
To such a low life, I'm more than fair.