Now how's this for a novel idea? Instead of giving free
VIP time for reviews posted just have all the hobbyists
pay $ for their VIP memberships and then there will be no
reason for the fake reviews. If you want to play you have to pay.
TER loses nothing if the freeloaders go their merry way.
I see too many reviews, based on personal experience with the
provider where the  poster has obviously not seen the provider.
It may be a good one and it may be a bad one but IT'S NOT REAL!!!
Isn't that what we're looking for in a review? Someone who
has actually spent time with the provider and can give us
some factual information to  help us in our hobbying.

Discuss...

True part of the issue are fake reviews where the person wants some free time.  That's a tough one since technically all reviews are, according to TER policy, "to be fictional stories that are posted by TER solely for entertainment purposes".  What I have a bigger problem with are reviews someone running a EROS rip off has  friend write form another location.  That is the biggest problem and rather hard to do squat about without proof.  One thing that can be done with rip offs is the people on the Washington DC board have been tracking and posting the activity of these rip offs.  Something to consider.

all reviews are work of fiction, anyways.

I do see your point but I don't think that's fair to the people that actually write real (fictional) reviews.  I write a lot of reviews and it's nice having that free VIP time.  

I do send problem reports in of reviews I know are bogus.  Unfortunately, the usual response I get is "please have the provider contact us".  But it's mostly K-girl reviews that are bogus, at least here in LA.

I do pay to play, but my money is going to the providers, not the website!

Re: all reviews are work of fiction, anyways.

Reviews alone won't keep the website up and running. It needs cold hard cash as well as useful reviews.

I suspect some people do it as a form of mental masterbation (reliving the encounter).

Bogus reviews, for free VIP time, are indirectly ripping off the legit reviewers and paid VIP members. IMHO, not much different than a parasite. I wish we can vote/like the reviewers so we can get a better/easier read on the reviewers.

In spite of all of TER's blunders, I don't think they will screw around with the review databank. TER's success is largely based on reviews. It is the largest review database in the world. Why screw around with something that works?

Without incentives the review #'s would plummet. When review #'s decline so will membership over time.
You don't think many members pay for membership to read the boards do you?

I only log on to read the boards!  Lolol....  Of course fake reviews are a problem, but discerning hobbyists can figure it out, I think.

Cash indeed is king. Intel (reviews) is what draws the cash in the first place.

Trust me, this horse has been whipped 3 ways to Sunday over the years.

If a review is fake and inproperly pumps or dumps a chick, it's ends up being OUR obligation to call out the perp. I think that's about as good as it' gonna get.

NDtBF

Well. Are you saying that you write reviews to get
a free membership?
Maybe it would weed out those who aren't a part
of the brotherhood and encourage those of us who want
a more honest review board to help each other out.
Your statement just proves the need for a change.

They can pay the fee and relive it too.
Consider it a tip.

Anything to cut down on the fake reviews.
ANYTHING!!!

Wish you didn't have to use an alias for
your response.  We seem to agree to  a point.

Re: all reviews are work of fiction, anyways.

They are called fictional to protect all involved.
That doesn't mean they should be or actually
are fictional. If we are to take the reviews as
fictional then why bother to read them. I very
often contact the regular and trusted  hobbyists, such as
yourself Froomie, to follow up on  a review and have never
been told it was fictional.

Once again why not make everyone pay.
It can't hurt and can only help.

I am very concerned with personal safety and privacy. When I started my TER account with VIP membership, I wasn't very careful with how it's set up nor my postings/reviews. I am planning to start a new account when my current VIP membership runs out. In the mean time, I feel using alias is best.

Have you heard about the joke about 2 hikers who met a bear while they were hiking? Hiker 1 quickly changes his shoes into running shoes. When hiker 2 told him that he can't outrun the bear, hiker 1 answered he only needs to outrun hiker 2. There's never going to be perfect security or safety, but I'll try my best to make it as difficult as possible for any LE or criminal, who might want to track me.

I like to say Be Safe and Have Fun!

How can a question be a statement.

"I'm" confused.

can sniff out a fake review a mile away.

So do you really pay membership just to use your lone alias? j/k

Without reviews, this site's value drops considerably.

Does'nt sound like a good business plan to me.

Do you really think this is the first time this has been discussed?

What if TER implemented a points system. And established VIP reviewers were given points for each verified review. The review points would total on the account and would be redeemed towards time with a top tier provider in their city of choice.  For example maybe 25 reviews/points would qualify for 1 free hour with Carla Di Capri and then TER would have to compensate the provider directly when the points were redeemed.

Wouldn't this help increase valid reviews and give more incentive than 2 free weeks?  I know I probably start seeing more girls if I could get that 1 free hour with Carla!

Hallelujah, preach it brother.  It seems I only post when this topic is brought up.  I pay for VIP and don't review for safety and privacy.  Maybe I'm being paranoid, but just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you
There are so many shills and fake reviews on this site it makes me wonder why I pay.  But then you get to see who's full of it and who's real.  There's 4 or 5 reviewers who's reviews I don't even bother reading.  I've said it before I'll say it again, if every provider you've seen is a 9/8 or 9/9, you're either the luckiest guy in the world or full of it, and I tend to think it's the latter.  
I really, really want to call all these shills out (some are posting in this thread) but what would be the point?
As soon as I read "the best booker around" I skip it.  Guys, do you think all your compliments are going to get you a freebie?  Take this hobby for what it is: pay for play.  Don't think you're special.  And if you do, you're spending too much time hobbying and too much time on this board.  In a way it's like real life, bros before...well you know.  And in this case we can use that saying literally!  But it still won't happen, because no matter what, some guys are always suckers for the kitty.  
I am now getting off my high horse.

Sometimes agencies do a bait and switch.   The reviewer may have seen the girl, but a different girl.   Often it is not the reviewers fault, but the agency's.

I'm confused about your amorous intentions towards insets.
Are you like, a Perv, or something?

One way to cull out the fake reviews is to allow trusted members (however that is defined) to score a review, or at least rate it as trustworthy/untrustworthy. The review can be left posted, but still can be filtered out by users based on a low rating. Members who are consistently posting fake reviews could then be denied their VIP credit. That way there is still an incentive to post accurate reviews, but a strong disincentive to posting fake ones.

This would not stop the worst kind of fake review where a friend of a rip off writes reviews for them.  But looking at it another way, we can already do the filtering on our own by reviewing the reviewer's other reviews.  That was we can judge the reviewer's reviews in comparison of reviews written by other reviewers for the given provider we wish to see and review.  (There, did I use the word review enough?)

a new girl have to be viewed with a cynical or at least a skeptic eye. It is no secret that many of the top reviewers get an opportunity to be the  first to review a new K-doll , sometimes at a discount, in return they score the doll high or or not submit a review if they are going to give a score below 7.

At the same time there are legitimate. Reviewers who would only submit good reviews and not bad ones because they do not want to destroy someones livelihood .

I have challenged some reviews of several top girls because they simply don't jive and never got a single response from the alleged fake reviewers.

There are several bookers/owners who have several handles who write positive reviews of their stable and at times negative reviews of their competitors dolls.

In my case I find communicating with those whom I consider to be honest and objectives serves me better than 10 reviews . I also depend on trusted bookers to recommend the right doll.

The fake reviews compromise the system and I would suggest free VIP privileges are not earned by reviews.I have no doubt serious reviewers would continue to post reviews while those who write fraudulent reviews would move on once they are not rewarded for their efforts.  
   

When an otherwise apparently reputable reviewer writes one, where no one questions that he really saw the girl, and where he rates a girl a "10" in appearance even though her photos are clearly not representative of her.  So other hobbyists see her, but are very disappointed by her appearance.    They feel they wasted money.

It is just someone writing what they may have experience and it may not even exactly how it happened.  Even if it did happen, what are the chances that your experience will be the same as theirs.

How about adding an option for  provider to confirm or not (a simple yes or no) before the review is posted without the provider being able to read the review content?  This will weed out a large number of fake reviews.



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A "10" in appearance even though, in most cases or maybe in
all cases, is unwarranted is a more subjective score than an
overrated number for performance. Some like Asians. Some like
blondes. Some like tall. Some like short. Big tits. Small tits etc.
One man's is another's poison. If the provider has everything in looks
that you want then I guess that would be a "10" for that hobbyist.
If her photos are not representative of her, she may be better in
person to that hobbyist. I have had that happen to me with a very
popular K-girl, who on her first stay here had pics that didn't come
close to how pretty she was.
That being said performance is not
that subjective. First of all, you have the TER guidelines. Secondly,
most of us, hopefully, know what good sex is particularly a reputable
reviewer. Maybe I'm giving myself, as well as others I know, too much
credit but I don't think so. In my case if I give a 10 in performance it has
to contain the full menu. i.e. Mimi Lax and Brooke Song. If not I will give
a 9 and in my juicy details mention that it may have been a 10 experience
for me but because of the guidelines I gave  a 9.
The real problem really lies with those who give reviews for free VIP
membership and in many cases haven't even seen the provider.

Get rid of the free vip system. As many have said, all it does is promote people to write the fake reviews. Honestly, if you need to write a fake review to get Vip, maybe hobbying isn't for you to be using your money on.

I don't write many reviews as I tend to repeat heavily with my rotation but when I do, I make sure that I am being fair to the girl and informative to fellow hobbyists.

I am glad though that I have had great experiences with the girls I have seen and hoped that my reviews and opinions on the kgirl scene has helped people have at leastbenefitted from them.

Beemer

I only perv out with chicks

muffy is a nice enough dude but I won't be grabbing his ass anytime soon.

Now you, it might be another story!

NDtBF

I recently went to see a highly rated provider with 30+ reviews on TER. She's nothing like her reviews. She's not bad, but she's not "real" as per her reviews. I find it really hard to believe that all her reviews are fake, but the evidence says otherwise. I am not saying TER's reviews are totally useless. It does provide some good info on providers' menu, but it's not very useful in the selection process (because it's not reliable). This also hurts the higher quality providers because they lose out, sometimes, to the fakes.

Are we allowed to post our general experience here (no details)? For example, "I had a session with ABC and she's for real". Since there's no reward, there's less incentive to post bogus post here. We can also easily out fake posts here. After a while, may be we can figure out who's posts are more trustworthy.

I am posting this because I hope we can find a solution to the problem before we lose TER, a very useful tool, for our hobby.

go back and look at her reviews again. see which reviewers rated her similar to what you have rated her. That's how you calibrate.

I NEVER look at all a girls reviews. I look to see who I know is reliable, PM him for scoop, then go or don't go.

Besides the guys who are just full of crap, different people have different tastes. Most guys are ham and eggers just like us but they just rate differently.

TER does'nt need to change a thing.

People need to learn how to use it.

NDtBF

This also might depend on what you mean by she's not "real".  Did the photos match the person, etc, or did you mean in the performance area it did not match the reviews?  I have known providers who will get lots of good reviews and totally screw up some visits.  I also saw this in the review history, lots of good reviews with a few bad.  I know one provider well enough to realize this does happen with her.

What I learned is TER reviews are not dependable when it comes to selecting providers at this time. The basic information (rate, menu, in/outcall, etc.) is still quite useful, but not the reviews. I can understand that I may had one off performance or my standard might be set too high. I simply can't understand how 30+ people didn't say anything about her photo is not real or she looks nothing like her photos. I don't know how to "calibrate" when variance is that big. I have a growing suspicion that some providers are able to buy reviews on TER.  If that's true then it's hurting everyone else.

I am sure Motorola felt they didn't need to change their phone when their Razer phone was the hottest phone on the market. RIM probably felt the same when Blackberry was known as the crackberry. When AOL too over Time Warner, they probably didn't know that they needed to change. The world is littered with companies who didn't realized they need to constant improve on their own success. I hope TER does not go down that road.

Since I do not believe in doing the same thing and expecting different result, I am planning to change my strategy. If I have any luck then I'll come back and report it.

why do you need a reward to write one? can you just write one to help the hobbuing community?

Re: all reviews are work of fiction, anyways.

I guess the bookers should be more involved and monitor reviews like indies do..the lack of control is part of the problem...

Too many hobbyists place too much importance on reviews..some of my best sessions were with providers that have a no reviews policy.....

Many of the top rated providers got to where they are partially because of "reviews". I think to protect their own reputation and continue to provide the experience they do I am sure or at least know of some providers who "monitor" their own reviews and know who they have actually seen and those they have not. Some have even challenged a "fake review" because the meeting frankly did not occur and the providers can substantiate it and get review removed. Just some thoughts