I think you misapprehend the purpose of this board. It seems like you are trying to win an argument. But nobody is interested in arbitrating disputes here. We have these discussions in large part to help one another attain a common goal: the best experience with the least static. A good number of of experienced hobbyists has advised you of ways to attain that goal. Your position seems to be that the world shouldn't be that way. Fine, maybe it shouldn't. But it is. So you can keep arguing and keep guaranteeing yourself disappointment, or you can listen, adjust your behavior, and have a lot more fun.
In the time that I wrote this, I have had at least three credible providers asking me to to buy their services.
So I had set up a session with a well reviewed provider. Two days prior to arriving at my place she and I had been texting back and forth, just getting to know each other's likes/dislikes. I even told her that I'd love to take her out to dinner after/before the session, and she was nice enough to not charge me for the dinner time. So she shows up looking extremely hot and svelte. In my mind I had planned on grabbing dinner first, but I think she wanted to get the session over with. The first thing she asked me was the donation. I was a little put off by this. She knew that I am a TER member, and that I had written several good reviews for women, and that I was whitelisted. I have been robbed three times by providers, albeit unreviewed ones, who wanted the donation upfront. My involuntary mental reaction was to tell her that I will be more than happy to give her the donation after the session, or that I would leave it on the coffee table, which she could take afterward. She got mad, yelled at me, and left in a big huff, and slammed the door to my apartment so hard that the place shook.
I was nice and kind enough to text her, and explain to her my reason for wanting her to take the donation after the session. I even apologized and told her that she could come back, and I would give her the donation first. In our back and forth over text, she kept rehashing how I had insulted her (can't see how), oh and get this, how I had confronted her which according to her, scared her. NUTS!!! I tell you. I ended the night calling my regular whom I had seen in a month, and we spend two hours together, drinking wine, listening to music, and enjoying each other's company. And she has never eve asked me for a donation upfront.
Haven't providers been with enough men to get a sense that a certain kind of man isn't going to screw them out of their money? Especially someone who is active on the discussion boards and has several good references? Alright ladies and gents. I want your thoughts on this.
The polite thing to do, especially with someone you have never seen, is to leave the envelope in plain sight. It's up to the lady if she wants to take it before the session or after. Escorting is a cash up front business--a little bit like gambling.
Sometimes you're lucky, sometimes you're not. There are even times when you hit the big jackpot.
The first thing that comes to me is that on just about every provider site I have visited, they ask (for incalls) to have the donation placed in plain view, up front.
You had never seen this woman before. She was coming to an unknown (to her) location. I don't think it was out of line for her to ask, since she was not in her element.
By your own admission, you had been ripped off by non-reviewed providers, not well established ones. You say she is a well reviewed provider. Why could not you have given her the same trust you were expecting from her?
As far as her being scared, this is a risky business for everyone, with the providers being at the more vulnerable end usually because of the size and strength issue. It can be hard for men to understand exactly what might make a woman feel threatened.
As it was said, if she's reputable, and you are reputable, that should equal trust. That is what your research is for. I also find it funny how guys are willing to put their dicks into an unknown girls mouth, etc., and the girls allow, you know, into other places, but you don't trust her to provide the service if you pay up front?
Personally, even with new girls, I have paid more often after the session then before, but have also had a new professional I saw ask up front and nothing wrong with that. I've even had somone forget to ask and I almos forgot to gave till the door closed and I knocked to let her know 
But over all, I think paying first certainly will remove one issue that allow the fun to go uninhibited.
You have to remember this that your not dealing with rocket scientists here in this buisness. There are providers that have brains and beauty that are intelligent,educated and have common sense but most do not . If this was a regular girl you met thru a friend that you took out on a date and you tried to get in her pants and she left pissed off at you then you might have some issues . Your dealing with escorts
Expect the unexpected . No disrespect to all of the providers that do have common sense and brains ,just the few that dont.
I was nice and kind enough to text her, and explain to her my reason for wanting her to take the donation after the session. I even apologized and told her that she could come back, and I would give her the donation first. In our back and forth over text, she kept rehashing how I had insulted her (can't see how), oh and get this, how I had confronted her which according to her, scared her. NUTS!!! I tell you. I ended the night calling my regular whom I had seen in a month, and we spend two hours together, drinking wine, listening to music, and enjoying each other's company. And she has never eve asked me for a donation upfront.
Haven't providers been with enough men to get a sense that a certain kind of man isn't going to screw them out of their money? Especially someone who is active on the discussion boards and has several good references? Alright ladies and gents. I want your thoughts on this.
It didn't have anything to do with brains, in fact a smart girl gets paid first or she takes the risk of not getting paid at all but this sounds like two nervous people on a first date. Nothing more, nothing less.
That's a friendly jab, btw, I couldn't help myself, the context was too perfect!! I am always telling people, "hey, I'm not a rocket scientist" so please don't take me seriously....don't ever take me seriously, in fact
BB
I got no problem with the guy paying the girl up front especially since he was going out for dinner with her .I got a problem with her going Psycho on him just asking the question if he could pay later.All she had to do was answer him The first time I see a client I like to get payed first . Its sounds to me that the girl went AWOL on him for just asking a question. If she would have just explained her stance I Think the guy would have been fine with that but you would have to ask him . Thats just my rocket scientist explanation lol
Hey, I'm starting to like you! I know a bunch of rocket scientist that are amongst the dumbest people I know!
It didn't have anything to do with brains, in fact a smart girl gets paid first or she takes the risk of not getting paid at all but this sounds like two nervous people on a first date. Nothing more, nothing less.
That's a friendly jab, btw, I couldn't help myself, the context was too perfect!! I am always telling people, "hey, I'm not a rocket scientist" so please don't take me seriously....don't ever take me seriously, in fact
BB
If I only had the time.
DD
brennan from the looks of your photos you are most definitely NOT 'just another hooker'!
The very best I've ever been with.
The ratings on TER don't go high enough and you can't compare her to anyone else.
That's why I never reviewed her.
I've been wanting to see her, but my schedule hasn't permitted me. is she in Los Angeles?
The ratings on TER don't go high enough and you can't compare her to anyone else.
That's why I never reviewed her.
Most established girls do request to get the business out of the way first. I have many times almost forgotten the envelope on my way out.
If you both screened one another, I think that because she took the first leap by coming to your place then you should have taken the 2nd.
As far as offending/scaring away, it doesn't take much on a first date to scare a petite woman away when she is about to get naked in your place of residence, any kind of disagreement will suffice.
I would have left too and I would not have returned, at that point it's my way or no way.
It is my job to be who I advertised myself as when I arrive then it's up to you to assure me that you aren't an axe murderer or woman hater.
Fortunately I haven't had a bad experience but I know several girls who have later opened envelopes only to find pieces of paper and had no idea who which envelope came from to blacklist the guy.
You had some bad experiences but you cannot hold that against every woman you meet, you now know how to find reputable girls, trust them a little until they give reason not to.
BB
She isn't petite. With heels on, she is about 5' 11". But I see your point about disagreement scaring someone away. Neither my posture, nor my tone was threatening in any way.
As always, thank you for your advice BB. In retrospect, I should have trusted her. Maybe she will change her mind in the coming weeks.
Most established girls do request to get the business out of the way first. I have many times almost forgotten the envelope on my way out.
If you both screened one another, I think that because she took the first leap by coming to your place then you should have taken the 2nd.
As far as offending/scaring away, it doesn't take much on a first date to scare a petite woman away when she is about to get naked in your place of residence, any kind of disagreement will suffice.
I would have left too and I would not have returned, at that point it's my way or no way.
It is my job to be who I advertised myself as when I arrive then it's up to you to assure me that you aren't an axe murderer or woman hater.
Fortunately I haven't had a bad experience but I know several girls who have later opened envelopes only to find pieces of paper and had no idea who which envelope came from to blacklist the guy.
You had some bad experiences but you cannot hold that against every woman you meet, you now know how to find reputable girls, trust them a little until they give reason not to.
BB
And yes she had screened me. I am very screenable, transparent really.
Doesn't matter if it's incall or outcall. On an incall date, I usually go to the bathroom to freshen up, it gives the escort a chance to open the envelop if she wishes. Nine times out of ten, the envelop has neverbeen touched, when I return from the bathroom.
I had a two hour incall, in which I cooked dinner to start off the night right. Some salmon, zucchini, squash, and rice. After dinner and a bottle of wine later, we had our fun and parted ways. I always wait to check the envelope simply because it's rude to check in front of a client. So... I checked after he left and found not my two hour donation, but $39 in one dollar bills! Luckily I ran outside and was able to make him go to the ATM. And seriously... I ran out naked with a silk robe that didn't even close with no shoes on! Not my finest moment, but I'll be damned if that jerk off was going to screw me over! No pun intended.
So now when first seeing a new friend, I ask if it's not offensive to him that I check the donation, or excuse myself to the restroom to do so. I'm so used to meeting such wonderful gentlemen, so not checking until after the appointment. But that was a very RUDE wake up call at how deceiving someone can be. And I'm a pretty good judge of character and can read people pretty well.
Interesting story. I am sorry to hear that you had to go through something like that. Live and learn.
I had a provider come to my place once and asked me for the donation up front. My gut feeling told me that she was a ROB. When I denied, there was a knock my door, and right there on my step was a huge, redneck dude full of tattoos and metal standing at my door step, with one foot inside my door so that I was unable to shut the door. He demanded a cancellation fee. And when I showed my phone number and that I was dialing 911, he left. And I live such an experience twice before I decided to become a member on TER.
I can empathize and understand your point of view. And you politely ask not rudely demand, and you also don't seem the kind of gal who would leave in a huge huff and puff and slam the door on a potential client's face. I am an understanding guy and she could have explained her reasoning to me, and I would have gladly give her the donation upfront. In fact, I even asked her to come twice so that I could pay her upfront, but she didn't. Anyway, you would have to be there to understand it.
Kira's story respresents 99.9 percent of the girls in the this biz who have either had someone try not to pay or who kept someone from ripping them off by getting the money first...This isn't an "interesting story" that is isolated...it is a given and the reason why the norm is paying the girl first.
Many girls have had regulars, let alone new strangers, rip them off because they didn't get the money first. The First time it happens, Shame on them, Second time it happens, shame on us.
When I was super new I had a guy from a reputable site say he needed to go to the ATM, WTF? I took his expensive watch as collateral so he had to come back. Once was ripped off my a regular of a year who saw me monthly...I wanted him to feel "comfortable" too..Was I comfortable when he riripped me off? No.
When you were robbed, you obviously were seeing no-screen no reputation girls who don't ask for names and whom you didn't do any research on...you put yourself in those dangerous situations. Just like a girl has to screen so does a guy. You invited a total stranger to your house? DUMB
You keep saying "she should of explained or come back". The moment you didn't hand her the money which is this biz's norm you became a WASTE OF TIME known as a WOT...The type of guy who makes an appointment without good faith payment or who makes an appointment to see the goods or who calls to ask questions but never books. She had gotten ready and driven to your place which was at least 1.5 hours of her time...Why would she waste any more of her time on you?
I think everyone on this board has agreed you screwed up. In good faith you should send her a cancellation fee for your mistake.
I was nice and kind enough to text her, and explain to her my reason for wanting her to take the donation after the session. I even apologized and told her that she could come back, and I would give her the donation first. In our back and forth over text, she kept rehashing how I had insulted her (can't see how), oh and get this, how I had confronted her which according to her, scared her. NUTS!!! I tell you. I ended the night calling my regular whom I had seen in a month, and we spend two hours together, drinking wine, listening to music, and enjoying each other's company. And she has never eve asked me for a donation upfront.
Haven't providers been with enough men to get a sense that a certain kind of man isn't going to screw them out of their money? Especially someone who is active on the discussion boards and has several good references? Alright ladies and gents. I want your thoughts on this.
You sound like a nice guy. However, when a lady comes to ur place looking for the money up front, I wouldn't deny it. Especially if she was a well reviewed lady. Denying it would scare a lot of ladies. If she is well reviewed and established, giving her the money up front is safe. She has a lot to lose if she rips you off. More than u do.
It was a mistake, but not something that anyone should hold against you. You live and learn in this biz. Bottom line, you want to make the lady comfortable. Especially if she is going to your place. If providing the donation up front will do that, I see nothing wrong with that.
Un-reviewed or unknown providers, thats something else.
Bond
In the K-girl scene it is almost the norm to give the donation on the way-out , sometimes both tend to forget it was service and only remember at the door. Have even left without leaving a donation on an occasion or two.
Some new arrivals would at times ask for the donation up front at the first meeting , and I have no problem with Thant , because anything that makes the lady relax or gives her peace of mind would mean a better session.
As the wise minds have already stated the right for you to get business out of the way if it was the providers wish. We all make mistakes and as long as we don't repeat them there is no shame in that. Chalk it up to inexperience .
BTW don't assume a TER handles , half a dozen reviews and WL works with all providers. I know it does not fly with most of the bookers whose girls I patronize.
Good luck in your future endeavors.
I was nice and kind enough to text her, and explain to her my reason for wanting her to take the donation after the session. I even apologized and told her that she could come back, and I would give her the donation first. In our back and forth over text, she kept rehashing how I had insulted her (can't see how), oh and get this, how I had confronted her which according to her, scared her. NUTS!!! I tell you. I ended the night calling my regular whom I had seen in a month, and we spend two hours together, drinking wine, listening to music, and enjoying each other's company. And she has never eve asked me for a donation upfront.
Haven't providers been with enough men to get a sense that a certain kind of man isn't going to screw them out of their money? Especially someone who is active on the discussion boards and has several good references? Alright ladies and gents. I want your thoughts on this.
Since the ROBs always ask for the money first, it's understandable that you might associate that with becoming a cash-and-dash victim. Unfortunately, it's also appropriate for a legitimate provider to want the cash up front too.
They've invariably also been taken advantage of at some point, and since you can't un-fuck someone, they have no choice but to request the money up front. You'd better get used to this because the only women you'll see that might let you slide on that are ladies you've seen three or four times. But even then, there's no reason to play games. Just do what's expected of you and place the envelope in a visible location and everyone will be happier.
And BTW, be careful what you talk about in those text messages with a new provider. You never know who you're actually texting and you're leaving an evidence trail if it's the wrong person. Cell phones are the first thing that gets confiscated if someone gets busted. And while I'm sure lady LE loves to hear about your likes and dislikes, she's far more interested in arresting you and fucking you in her own special way.
I have a Google Voice number. It can't be traced to a cell phone. But thanks for the heads-up.
when they dial your Google Voice number (I have one too), I think they can make the connection.
The woman you described may have been a rip-off, there's no way of knowing. But I'm just saying, if you think that honest girls are going to let you pay after the deed is done on a first visit, you're going to be very disappointed in the responses you get.
There's always going to be a certain level of distrust on both sides during first meetings. But saying you want to pay after the fact is only going to increase it.
The moment I uttered the words, "I don't usually give the money upfront.", she left in a huff and puff, and slammed the door in my face.
They've invariably also been taken advantage of at some point, and since you can't un-fuck someone, they have no choice but to request the money up front. You'd better get used to this because the only women you'll see that might let you slide on that are ladies you've seen three or four times. But even then, there's no reason to play games. Just do what's expected of you and place the envelope in a visible location and everyone will be happier.
And BTW, be careful what you talk about in those text messages with a new provider. You never know who you're actually texting and you're leaving an evidence trail if it's the wrong person. Cell phones are the first thing that gets confiscated if someone gets busted. And while I'm sure lady LE loves to hear about your likes and dislikes, she's far more interested in arresting you and fucking you in her own special way.
that could spook her big time, apparently did. Donations are in plain white envelopes for a reason - you don't SAY money you don't SEE money and you certainly do not hand it to her.
No I didn't "say" the 'm' word. All I said was that I usually donate after the session.
I recall you recently had a problem with another provider, that freaked-out and cancelled on you.
Now this.
Quite frankly, perhaps your demeanor and /or delivery, needs a little fine tuning.
As far a a "Well reviewed Provider" requesting the donation, up-front.... So What?? You may have a few reviews under your belt (all submitted in August) and 2 white listings, but that does not make you "Special". You don't own a provider... It's her call...Deal with it...
Why would you object to giving a well reviewed provider the donation up-front??? In my opinion, you were out of line. Considering your other cancellation, perhaps a little self-evaluation is in order..
No it doesn't make me "special", just as two dozen reviews for a provider doesn't make her "special." What I find amazing in all of this discussion is that there's no talk about her haughty/rude attitude. I did NOT do anything crazy to have the door slammed in my face till my apartment shook, alright?
And yes I admit that I should have given her the donation upfront. Once you get robbed three times, perhaps you will understand why I reacted the way I did. It was a defense mechanism.
And the other provider that you are speaking of was bickering with me on rating numbers. I don't consider that a "problem."
Now this.
Quite frankly, perhaps your demeanor and /or delivery, needs a little fine tuning.
As far a a "Well reviewed Provider" requesting the donation, up-front.... So What?? You may have a few reviews under your belt (all submitted in August) and 2 white listings, but that does not make you "Special". You don't own a provider... It's her call...Deal with it...
Why would you object to giving a well reviewed provider the donation up-front??? In my opinion, you were out of line. Considering your other cancellation, perhaps a little self-evaluation is in order..
I am sorry if you do think she was rude , it is understandable. Put your self in her position , to see you she set valuable time aside ( which she could used productively elsewhere) , she made up , and dressed up for you and travelled you your apartment ,only to have you slam donation handling norms and best practices in her face. Under these circumstance being rude is is a very mild response.
You act as if you are the only person to suffer the indignation and humiliation of being robbed.aawae have all been through it to some gegree or another , learn to see reviewed providers , contact the reviewers and ask them if there is anything they could share with with you beyond what they wrote in their review.
I think in your position I would have compensated her for the time she wasted preparing and coming to your place.
you need a change in attitude if you rally wish to wish to be seen by credible providers.
And yes I admit that I should have given her the donation upfront. Once you get robbed three times, perhaps you will understand why I reacted the way I did. It was a defense mechanism.
And the other provider that you are speaking of was bickering with me on rating numbers. I don't consider that a "problem."
Now this.
Quite frankly, perhaps your demeanor and /or delivery, needs a little fine tuning.
As far a a "Well reviewed Provider" requesting the donation, up-front.... So What?? You may have a few reviews under your belt (all submitted in August) and 2 white listings, but that does not make you "Special". You don't own a provider... It's her call...Deal with it...
Why would you object to giving a well reviewed provider the donation up-front??? In my opinion, you were out of line. Considering your other cancellation, perhaps a little self-evaluation is in order..
I won't put myself in her situation. Yes she drove, yes she took the time, and perhaps she incurred a loss. IT is part of her job, alright? People make an investment in business. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't. In time that she drove to my place, and went on with her shenanigans, she wasted my time, hence my money. My time is just as important as hers. It's a business. I am the customer/client. I am not here to make her happy/satisfied. I am buying her services/time. End of story.
In the time that I wrote this, I have had at least three credible providers asking me to to buy their services.
I am sorry if you do think she was rude , it is understandable. Put your self in her position , to see you she set valuable time aside ( which she could used productively elsewhere) , she made up , and dressed up for you and travelled you your apartment ,only to have you slam donation handling norms and best practices in her face. Under these circumstance being rude is is a very mild response.
You act as if you are the only person to suffer the indignation and humiliation of being robbed.aawae have all been through it to some gegree or another , learn to see reviewed providers , contact the reviewers and ask them if there is anything they could share with with you beyond what they wrote in their review.
I think in your position I would have compensated her for the time she wasted preparing and coming to your place.
you need a change in attitude if you rally wish to wish to be seen by credible providers.
And yes I admit that I should have given her the donation upfront. Once you get robbed three times, perhaps you will understand why I reacted the way I did. It was a defense mechanism.
And the other provider that you are speaking of was bickering with me on rating numbers. I don't consider that a "problem."
Now this.
Quite frankly, perhaps your demeanor and /or delivery, needs a little fine tuning.
As far a a "Well reviewed Provider" requesting the donation, up-front.... So What?? You may have a few reviews under your belt (all submitted in August) and 2 white listings, but that does not make you "Special". You don't own a provider... It's her call...Deal with it...
Why would you object to giving a well reviewed provider the donation up-front??? In my opinion, you were out of line. Considering your other cancellation, perhaps a little self-evaluation is in order..
I think you misapprehend the purpose of this board. It seems like you are trying to win an argument. But nobody is interested in arbitrating disputes here. We have these discussions in large part to help one another attain a common goal: the best experience with the least static. A good number of of experienced hobbyists has advised you of ways to attain that goal. Your position seems to be that the world shouldn't be that way. Fine, maybe it shouldn't. But it is. So you can keep arguing and keep guaranteeing yourself disappointment, or you can listen, adjust your behavior, and have a lot more fun.
In the time that I wrote this, I have had at least three credible providers asking me to to buy their services.
By reading all of your thoughts, I am gathering that essentially hobbyists basically have no power or say in the matter. A provider shows up, you hand her the money, end of story, regardless of whether she screws you over or not. It's a risk that one has to take. But a well reviewed provider won't screw you over because she's worried about her reputation etc. And if she does screw you over, whose word are you going to take, the provider's or the hobbyist's? Just as I could write a bad review detailing honestly how she screwed me over, she could just as well blacklist me. Will the other hobbyists believe the hobbit, oh wait I mean hobbyist or the provider, and will the providers believe the provider's story or the hobbyist's? Blah blah . . . ad infinitum.
If she is a reviewed provider, she will not be a B&S, however, if you are talking about a newbie it is a gamble you have to take. It is after all the nature of the business, you have to show trust to gain trust. Unfortunately, most B&S victims (myself included) gets into the same situation, you lost your money.
Getting defensive? And with an attitude like the quote below, you might want to think of taking up another hobby. You know there is a PO board and the ladies do talk amongst each other. Everyone has tried to give you advice and you really don't seem to want to listen.
"It's a business. I am the customer/client. I am not here to make her happy/satisfied. I am buying her services/time. End of story."
She stormed out, slammed the door, but you text her and asked her to come back and were now willing to pay up front, which is the way it's supposed to be done (and which is why you go with a lady with a track record). Sounds to me like you know you screwed up. You're probably more pissed that she didn't come back than any thing else. But all was not lost, at least you later spent two hours with your regular - "enjoying each others company." Was that after you made it clear to her that she was there to please you?
For the umpteenth time, I wasn't pissed that she left. I was disappointed. There's conventional wisdom in how the business end of the transaction ought to be handled. There's no rule.
Yes all was not lost. Save your sarcasm. And yes, we did enjoy each other's company. I didn't have to clear anything with her. And in reference to my earlier post, I did mention that a provider is there to please me, but if it happens that I end up pleasing her as well, then so much the better.
I've read a number of the posts below. You seem to be very defensive and more interested in proving your point. Maybe this is why you have had a few problems. And, yes, I've had a couple of bad experiences as well.... I've factored those in as cost of doing business. Just like a first date may not work out, these engagements may not either.
This guy is totally defensive and keeps trying to justify his stuff.
I remember in my personal growth workshops - this type of behavior leaves little room for constructive dialogue.
Look, Z, there is much truth to what you say. You were reacting out of concern that you might be robbed again, and got skittish. We all understand that. But there is A LOT of truth in what the many seasoned hobbyists are saying, too, and you don't seem willing to hear them. Yes, you had been robbed, but the gal who left did not rob you. In effect, you made your phobia her dilemma, and when she did not kowtow to your POV, you got pissed....
Now, you can take it or leave it, but there is a lot of good advice on this thread, and I would urge you to follow it. We have all been robbed or scammed or ripped. Sometimes it is loss of time with a flake, sometimes loss of money with a rob, but as long as there is no physical injury, all you lose is time or money...and you learn a valuable lesson, which is to be cautious. But you can also learn a valuable lesson from this experience, or not. Your call. RT
I do it see it from both points. Did I not admit to my mistake openly? Nope I did not get pissed. I was a tad disappointed, but not pissed. Pissing off takes too much mental energy. What makes you think I am not willing to hear? I am just having a discussion, an objective one.
Donation in sight upon arrival. Once you get the trust factor then you can give the donation at the end. I always gave it up front. Standard rule though is UPON ARRIVAL.
6 reviews and white listing is nothing in some ladies eyes. When I had 20 reviews I had a provider still want my real first and last name. Since I won't give it out I moved on.
She was letting you take her out to dinner prior at no charge? You could at least gave her the donation up front. Yeah you've been ripped off a couple of times, ever stop to think how many times she's been shorted or envelope stuffed with newspaper?
Just use this as learning experience and move on.
R.O.E.- RULES OF ENGAGEMENT
Tried to send you a PM but it bounces back because you've clicked the ignore buttion. So I guess you're not really interested in having a discussion.
I had accidentally clicked on the ignore button. I have taken you off the ignore list. Sorry about that.
Very true! As long as we keep providing advice someone like me may come along and learn from it. Even though I had TER when I started out, I am still learning the ins and outs. So if this guy doesn't listen maybe another person reading will learn from it.
Beemer
I didn't get any PM from you, and no I didn't choose to ignore you.
it's easy to hit the ignore button by accident and block a guy that you don't really intend to block.
In the first thirty-six hours after this post appeared, 50 responses were noted. That's more than I can remember for more serious topics. For anyone who has been in this hobby for any length of time (and especially for newbies, who might be clueless and/or nervous), the main rule always has been, will be, and continue to be.....keep the ladies happy. If she asks for the donation upfront (and she is a well-reviewed provider), give her the donation. It removes ANY doubt she may or may not have that you are not trustworthy. This is basic common sense. There have been responses from many well-respected hobbyists and providers, and their thoughts can be distilled into one simple sentence: If you're thoughtful with your big head, your little head will thank you!
i agree that you should pay up front if the girl likes it that way ,but the main RULE IS FOR THE LADIES TO MAKE THE GUYS HAPPY ! AND NOT GO PSYCHO ON A GUY WHO ASKS A QUESTION .
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