I did get oral herpes and I know when and how I got it. It was from performing DATY on a provider with a lot of reviews. The pussy smelled and tasted awful. Rinsing didn't help. Six hours later I had sores and pain in my mouth from the initial herpes infection. That sucked because I never had anything before that. I got tested and it was confirmed.

Then I read on here and other places, more than 50% of both providers and clients, heck,all sexually active people, have it already. What should I do, quit the hobby? What about all the idiot reviews where almost every guy does DATY. How can you tell which provider is safe to do it with. Reviews don't say anything about who is safe. Maybe they should. Anyways, I don't do DATY or DFK anymore. And I can only do this when I'm not having an outbreak. And I have to take stupid meds and supplements to combat the recurring irritating outbreaks.

Its not something that gets talked about much except when some news story comes out, but I haven't known of anyone in the hobby who got an STD. Granted, we're a pretty anonymous group, but based upon how many of us participate in "risky" behavior one would suspect we'd see stds on an epidemic level. We don't... at least in the USA.

I think most providers who participate on these boards are gfe, so it would seem that you aren't conserned either?

I may be naive,  but have hobbies over ten years and don't think the risks are as big as some groups and people make them out to be.  There's a risk you get HIV from a blood transfusion in a hospital.   I think the hobby has just about as much risk as sex in the civie community. And I think its a low risk in both. Granted, if you're in that low percent that gets something it probably feels pretty awful.

Thx for any info you are comfortable sharing.

The numbers of young people (18 - 24) having unprotected sex has risen 114% in the last 5 years. However, it is France. Not sure the numbers/stats in the US.

I think this is because of the lack of fear. Magic Johnson (20+ years since his diagnosis) and others have shown the world that with the proper medicine you can live with HIV. Herpes has Valtrax (sp?), and I am not sure all the side effects or results, but the commercials make it seem like life begins with herpes.

I am young, but not that young, plus I was a peer educator for Planned Parenthood  - specifically teaching teens about STDs and their spread, so I still carry fear and caution with me everyday.

But young people participate in risky behavior anyway, and without the fear of STDs looming, and birth control so accessible and easy, many young adult use sex like our parents did kissing - as a hello. LOL

Personally, I have only heard of a person contracting an STD from a partner with which whom they thought was monogamous, but was out having sex with everyone and anyone except escorts. LOL
As a group, escorts/hobbyists are very safe. We have an expectation of condom use and no one is going to say "Condom? I thought we were close and that you loved me." LOL

Kisses,
Vanica Love

Thx for sharing and sorry to hear you got sick. I think this is one reason a lot of guys go for a daty.  Check to see what's under the Hood. Maybe if it stinks or doesn't look right, just leave a tip and walk away.  Would be nice to warn others, but I suspect you are concerned about being harassed.

I hope they find a cure.

Americans tend to be very up tight speaking about sex and the stigmas. To compare % or rates based upon a lifestyle is sketchy. I just had a knock down fight with a porn star on Skype in Canada this morning. She is going online spreading rumors that all SW,call girls,escorts are the reason for HIV. This 23 year old is as dumb as a bucket of rocks. The same HIV hysteria was blamed on Central Afrikans,Haitians,Anglo homosexuals in the gay bath houses in Europe before it landed in the states in 1979. When consenting adults have sex regardless if its a married couple swinging, 3 gay men getting hot and heavy,adult film actress in a gang bang,call girl being paid 5 c notes. There are RISK,but if a person goes to the doctor  similar like the dentist on a regular basis,uses rubbers then the result in low. SW (street walkers) are more at risk due to hopping in and out of cars daily. Adult film actors are plain risky because condoms are NEVER used due to the lack of sales . Buyers of porn flicks have no interest in watching a guy do the doggy condom style. Another thing to take to task is how many people would shun another who smells,has a present rash,bumps or real need to convince you not to use condoms? Men typically prefer sex with no rubbers because of the feel. One night stands are just as risky too think about it. Drunk,leaving a night club and heading to a guys house for a sleepover. Are you bathing before,inspecting his junk,is that sore on his lip or a ? Instincts and condoms save lives okay..

Thanks vanica, but what about all the bbbj daty and dfk that are the norm for our community?   Others have told me bbfs is the most dangerous, but with all the oral going on it seems like there would be more cases coming out.

I think escorts who have bare pussies make it easier to detect sores and have an easier time taking care of hygiene.

If you are a male who loves tuna fish...I recommend that you use a Dental dam. You must contact her and let her know of that issue ASAP. She needs treatment so not to expose other unsuspecting men or women to that retro-virus. Herpes,the clap,the green machine,scabies,pubic lice,hep-c are easy to become exposed to. Male and female clients must shower and be inspected visually before any intimate act. DFK is a no-no you can catch common colds,T.B. Now BBBJ never ever will I do and my friends respect me for that. There are certain techniques that a sex therapist can use on the base of a "   " HELLO ! To prevent discharge leaking into another woman's mouth.

Sexually transmitted diseases began in chimps and other exotic animals from around the globe. Sheep are even the host parent to syphilis can you believe that? One day researchers will secure a lethal combo that will eradicate viral and bacterial strains. The only remaining complaint amongst the health dept and CDC is people being screened and taking medication early. America is a beautiful country that has a ugly side of fostering illnesses due to the lack of medical care. There are over one million Hiv patients and unknown in the Usa. So I think the healthcare system should become over turned to allow patients to see doctors and control their illnesses. The only deadly problem with std,vd strains is that some are stronger over seas due to the breaking off cycle. May not respond to all FDA approved medicines state side so if your infected take your medicine. If not your infection may fester and not respond to another therapy.

i do not offer FS or BJ.
even with a condom u can get a number of things, and if the condom breaks u have put urself at risk of everything.

If I were a priest... lets just say I wouldn't be interested in hooking up with beautiful escorts

I agree on the common sense. Yes it is impossible to get a good % on the STD risk in different communities, and even if we get some good feedback from the discussion boards its not a scientific survey.

I accept science, and a scientific method; but my instincts tell me that these news stories of hpv and oral cancer, the deadly gonorea found in Japan, are sensational and sketchy. I don't trust the organizations who put out the news, especially when there is a pharmaceutical company that has something to gain.

At worst its some greedy company looking to profit com scare tactics. Watch Food Inc. Or Inside Job to get a good perspective on corporate greed and governmental ineffectiveness.

Just spoke with a Ask a nurse who states that oral blisters,cold sores and the teenage std 'kissing' disease. Strep throat has a different gestation period than genital herpes. Genital takes 7-14dys for incubation and painful flare ups to occur. If anyone has that they should not engage for a period of time and take their pills,creams. Teenagers are always having strep throat because kissing is the first intense act before intercourse. If you have a cold sore then girls should not share lip gloss,chap stick or lip rouge. A canker sore must be a pain in the bum if you crave spicy foods? If a guy has G.H lesions on his "..." who ha.,,run!!!!!! Only a medical doctor who engages in acts with a provider can recognize lesions,bumps or rashes on the V-jay jay. Better believe it that if he spots v.d he, will write her a prescription and dash like a felon on a jail break...........!

What about daty and dfk? Isn't there a risk as well?

I agree, it is whatever you are comfortable with. You have many good reviews. Thx for sharing.

Oral 101 topic above this reply..Thanks!

I can only speak for myself, and a very vey good friend ofmine who is a porn star escort, we have never caught anything, and I consider porn stars a little more at risk, but thats another debate. I think and this is a really prob going to upset some, But I really think there is a direct correlation between girls who are careful in there screening, and those who are not, This is just an opinion , because it may appear that one has nothing to do with the other, but if you really take the time to screen and even prepared to loose a client without references then you have a certain attitude. I know girls who take any phone call there is and its usually in a certain price range. I am getting deeper in the poo here as I type, but I think it makes a difference. Also a good girls does a little check prior to fun. Theres no bare back intercourse, if a guy asks in a email, he never gets a reply and I would never see him. I dont care if he has a test back to 1950 every week. DATY and BBBJ well I like it and I have never caught anything, maybe I am lucky, But then I dont work a great deal as have other things to do as well.
Just my thoughts guys.

Stay safe have fun

I know of  two providers that have herpes  and still work and take medication  and hopefully it works  but if I knew a client had herpes  and he disclosed it pryer to our date I would not want to see him I would be to scared  but I wonder how many do and never tell you  .....one of my civvie friends got herpes from a date on Match.com  and it really did  a number on her so provider world or real world  we all are taking risks some of us have just been lucky {knock on wood}

What are the risks of:

1) dfk
2) having your balls licked (risks for the guy)

Thanks for the responses and anecdotes to my coming out (aliased as it is).
It was actually the first time I did DATY.
The lady is well known in the area, and has been to the meet and greet luncheons within the last year according to the lists we saw posted here. But of course she probably got it from some other client doing DATY. I got tested, and thankfully (or not) that's all I have. The risk is worse, because a greater diversity of both clients and providers are networked rather than regular civvie dating.

Thanks for starting this thread, and thanks to the ladies for chiming in.  This is obviously a major concern for all hobbyists and providers (as it should be), but there's not a lot of good, reliable information out there regarding STDs from covered fs, bbbj, dfk and daty.  I always thoughts someone should do a study of participants on this board who only engage in these activities to see how risky oral sex really is.  So an informal survey of providers and hobbyists seems like a good idea.  So pick an alias (or not) and chime in.  Here's my story.

I've been hobbying on and off for about 15 years.  Over the 15 years, my guess is that I've had over 100 gfe encounters, with perhaps 30-40 different providers (most of whom are or were well reviewed, well respected ladies in LA).  I've always tested negative for all STDs other than oral herpes (HSV 1) -- the one that 50-80% of the population is supposed to have.  My last outbreak of cold sores on my lips was in my early 20s, well before I started hobbying, so hobbying was not the cause.  I had more unprotected civvie sex in my 20s than I should have, but then that was the early 1980s when that was probably more common.  None of this means gfe sex as we define it on this board (covered fs, but otherwise uncovered) is risk free, but it's probably not as risky as some public health websites would have you believe.    

By the way, the best source I've seen online on this is www.medhelp.org (click on STD in the Expert Forum section).  The two doctors who answer questions there are internationally recognized experts on STDs.  Most of the questions they get are about STDs from oral sex, and these docs just answer the questions based on the available evidence.  It's quite refreshing, actually.

Probably this is what has been going on. On occasion a lady would cancel an appointment because she said she got sick, got a cold or whatever. I even drove out an hour and got within the block of a provider location within 10 minutes. I was morning, and the provider responded to my phone call and said she had to cancel because she woke up sick and she did sound kind of in pain.
Of course I was irritated, but now I think of it, it's a semi-responsible and maybe only way to not spread oral hsv-1 herpes, or something else without ending a providing(same for clients) career. Just something else a client should maybe learn to read in between the lines and hasn't been mentioned hardly here on TER.
For example if you look on thatmall.com, many times ladies are listed as "on vacation" for a number of days. And some very pretty ladies do massage and hj services only. Very possibly as to not spread std's but still be in the hobbying business in some way. Anyways, that's my honest rant. If I out the provider who I got sick from, I should probably quit hobbying and all sex for the rest of my life too.

I decided to discuss the history of virus's in my earlier post. Typically I find that many Americans are one way in relations to illnesses it's becoming like a political battle or something. I have NEVER been exposed to any sexually transmitted diseases. First DFK is a practice for civies and kissing someone is a act I BAN altogether. I have a policy that clients kiss my hand because it is so European and it a practice that was used long ago. Traveling abroad there is the dreaded 'air kiss' or the double kiss from 'cheek to cheek'. Diving in between my thighs...NOT w/out a DENTAL dam. They are used by the lesbian community and dentists if a client is against that procedure the appt is ENDED. It is up to every lady of the evening to carry medical insurance and screen her blood 3xs a year. Your blood must be screened for HIV,Hep b,c,syphilis. Pap smears 3xs yearly is recommended as well. I'm thankful I have NEVER tested positive for anything in part I consider myself VERY responsible. I never use or engage in dope because that is the No 1 stigma about call girls. This is a business to me and a Clear mind is necessary in order to thrive financially. I have noticed a trend of Porn persons crossing into the UNDER the SHEETS we go(PSE-porn star experience). Adult film actors have a history of harboring many sexually transmitted diseases. They have very few options in using condoms on set during the film of xxx. I visited with a possible client in Canada sometime ago. I turned down the appt and refunded over 3k after discovering his HIV status from his medicine cabinet. Thank god for being a snoopy lady!!! Whew!!

I a germ freak...so kissing is not a practice I welcome. Some providers do and I pass! Why because kissing is a personal act. Its best for a serious relationship and not a fling in the words of paying for pleasure. I once turn down a huge tip $$$ from a Las Vegas high roller who wanted to kiss open mouth. Yuck,yuck and more yuck on my U.K member only website I mention that kissing is way personal and I won't share it with strangers. A kiss on the hand,cheek that's all you will garner from this lady. Personally BBBJ is another yuck,yuck,no-no CBJ or else I don't care if you have showered with soap containing 18kt gold. Kissing releases certain hormones that I would only prefer to share with a SERIOUS lover and NOT a CLIENT. Like a man they never confuse sex with love you dig..? Licking a mans balls is totally safe if 1) He must bath in hot water,soap and peroxide. 2) Inspect a man's genitalia before any encounter including the but cheeks,thighs,. Paranoia isn't something I'm trying to start just use caution,know the history of Sex,Disease,Condoms,Spermicide,Abortion,Female Condoms,Dental Dams,Yearly testing,Pap Smears and treatments 'god forbide'. Stay safe and NEVER allow anyone whether its a client or civie to risk your life . I have a life insurance policy and if you have hiv,v.d medical insurance companies will not carry you!  Stay safe...!

Gentleman every month we females are visited by 'aunt Flo','bloody Mary'. If a lady post pones an engagement then suspect she maybe 'leaking' or may be under stress and NOT in the mood to tolerate a male. One of the benefits of being a woman is our'Hormones". They dip and they sore daily especially from age 11 of menstrual (varies) to menopause. I feel that you must contact the lady of the evening and have a discussion with her face to face. So as Not to cause her to assume that you are attacking her personally. The younger or the more inexperienced call girl has No knowledge on how to detect a V.D/std infection until its TOO late! Diseases are common place in society especially if you eat in restaurants,use public bathrooms,drink from glasses in a bar(Hep-b),food Not stored properly,dentist office if equipment isn't sterilized according to the CDC suggestions and hospitals. For ladies out there BBBJ is a serious danger and C.I.M because YOU ARE NOT to swallow a strangers vaginal,penile discharge. At the dentist and gynocologist they can speak of the dangers with mucus,saliva is safe as long as there is no BLOOD present. Would you kiss your hubby,wife,boyF,girlF if they had the flu? Mucus has bacteria,viral,T.B and germs in it just always know that. Always consult with a doctor at the Health dept,CDC hotline...by the way go out and have a flu shot. A client can have a cold and expose you then you pass it on. Rhino-virus that causes flu,influenza. Wash your hands regardless and stay safe.

It's okay to play safe but, holy shit lady, who would want to spend five minutes with you let alone pay.
Life is a contact sport.

Thanks for the response, I agree that good screening probably helps. Guys who have diseases are probably less likely to go through the "hassel" of getting screened.  Vanica sent me a great pm explaining why oral is much safer and it makes sense. The saliva protects us from things more than vaginal juice. Plus a normal healthy mouth has good seals to keep the germs out. More risk of bacteria and viruses through the eyes, anus, and penis/pussy.

Thx here's mine.

Hobbied about 12 yrs. About 50+ different girls, gfe with maybe 30 or so. Typically been a repeat type of Guy if things click. Had bbfs with about 5 pros and 2 civies.  Always built up to the bbfs with the testing and trust questions... this was before I found out about sociopaths and that there were people out there who were expert liers and who want to infect other people with STDs.

I've been tested 3 times in the past year. Bill of clean health, not even the common oral herpes.

About 10 girls from my history are white or Latina, a few Thai and Japanese, but most were kgirls. Only hobbied in the USA.

I have been in this BUSINESS for many years and my reviews are SPOTLESS!! I travel and work in countries that you have yet to secure NETWORKS. There are many review sites globally just remember that......... Women who are reckless and lazy will NOT remain in this business in part because of Poor business,safety and health decisions! I enjoy discussing healthcare issues,Women's rights and Financial preparation. I have some of the GREATEST and most well connected resources that the INTERNET can never conjure . The forums are a great way to help dispel rumors,racial and sexual bias. I'm more selective than the AVERAGE girl in part because I would prefer to book at a HIGHER rate than engage with several persons per week.

My healthcare is spotless as well as my policies in the US and the U.K. American healthcare companies will make for certain that you test for hiv,v.d and std. If NOT they will cancel your policy my sadness is for women with breast cancer. That is considered a major concern with policy holders nationwide due to the risk of cancer returning. Blood test are cheaper at clinics than that of your personal physicians office. Due to transferring the samples to a lab and the 'Sticker price" for additional testing. Medical industry stateside should reduce the billing fees for general paps,testing and lab work. There is TOO much double dealing in the medical industry that benefits insurance companies and physicians. Patients deserve to see any doctor and that doctor should be allowed to except that insurer card instead of the patient paying out of pocket. I take care of myself to prevent any un necessary visits.........Avoid B.C. / Blue Shield worst company EVER ...

I am a SEASONED yet picky and high in demand call girl. I love to play though I prefer to play smart. My status has allowed me to travel to many countries and have repeat requests from above the radar gentleman. Unlike SW(street walkers),porn actors/actresses they are taking more risk than I would ever consider. Yes there is testing in the adult film industry in the States,U.k,Germany,Japan though I would have little trust for a fellow actor. I prefer to watch porn than make one:to each her own. When an actor is away from set who is he or she sleeping with? As of late since the re-tired former porn actress "Sunset Thomas" who went into legal pros via "The Bunny Ranch" in 2001. Many semi-retired or retired adult actresses are selling the PSE. Before 2001 many would NEVER be caught at least publicly selling 'puss' off set. The common street walker they are playing a "Russian Roulette" not only with their health but their lives! Sliding in a car with a Joe-blow could spell rape,serial killer or robber god forbide. I will screen,inspect and observe a clients habits. Catching the flu,influenza is very bad not to mention the down time and expenses that are lost. People who prefer wild or insane practices I shun and they are better off hitting on the next door neighbor. Than exposing me to a unknown infection............