Just got a few questions on using an alias, help me figure out please.
If I show a fake ID to an undercover cop at an incall, and they bust me a few minutes later - Would there be a difference if it was a fake employee id, fake state ID, or fake id that could be mistaken for a state id?
On youfinishit.com there are some nice organ donor cards with state names - are they legal to carry?
If I did not show the ID to a cop, but was booked for soliciting, would they still find it? Do they usually do body search on misdemeanor arrests?
What do we do with those IDs when traveling? - carry with other ids in the wallet or put in a book and put in check-in luggage?
You are not going to get very far with legitimate and well reviewed lady's using a fake ID. Any lady worth seeing you is going to need your real name to do it. As far as LE goes, if you do get busted they will hold you until they figure out who you really are. Don't kid yourself.
Instead of worrying about how where to travel with your fake ID's try to invest some time into researching good providers. If you stick with legitimate and well reviewed ladies you won't have to worry about getting busted.
You are absolutely correct on that one. Remind me not to approve him if he ever emails me....LOL I won't know who he really is...will the "real" Dr. Jekyl or Mr.Hyde please stand up?? Thanks for confirming that for us ladies...much appreciated.
In most states it is a crime to possess a false or fictitious ID card if the card represents itself as being issued by any state or any political subdivision of any state, or by the federal government.
What nincompoop filled your head with all of this foolishness about using a fake ID? I know there are some guys who don't give up real world info to providers ( and this effects the caliber of woman that will see them) but you DO NOT screw around with LE. You can't fool them and anyone who thinks that they can is in for a rude awakening as well as much harsher treatment than if they came clean to begin with.
Hobbying has risks. You make yourself safer by taking precautions before you meet the girl, not by trying to be James Bond when you get busted...
I was not talking about giving alias to a cop who's doing the arrest. No, I would give a proper ID.
Question is - what would be charges for POSSESSION of id under an alias. Also would there be a separate charge for using it for hotel check-in?
States that I'm interested in are NY, FL, MA and CA
I'm also trying to figure what would be a difference in charges for using following types of ids:
1) Non Government id, such as employee id, membership cards, etc
2) ID that has state name on it, but doesn't mimic any type of id that's actually issued by the state, like Organ Donor card
3) Other ids: WSA Passport (World Service Authority), International Driving License, any other?
4) State and federal employee IDs - military, police, fire, utility, town, tax etc
5) State driving license- this last one I can probably figure myself - most statutes that I found had misdemeanor, and they were easy to find, but I really need help with those other types.
Thanks
Are you just TRYING to parlay a misdemeanor into a FELONY??? Have you never heard of the Global War on Terrror? Its been in all the papers!! You start screwing around with fake international documents and LE can use the GWAT laws to screw you in ways you never dreamed possible.
You are seriously trying to talk your way INTO jail when you could be simply cited and released or booked and released for a who really gives a damn misdemeanor!
MVR
Ok, let's talk about them.
A so-called international driver's license is nothing more than a multi-lingual translation of a driver's license issued by a nation or state. No help there unless you can produce the actual license.
Foreign passport. Are you seriously considering pretending to be a foreign national in the United States without supporting documentation? I know they're planning to close Gitmo, but geesh.
An Organ Donor Card isn't going to carry much weight with the police. To discover exactly how much weight, try cashing a check with your library card.
In time I'll figure out how useful this documents are. At the moment just trying to determine legality/penalty for each type of id.
States that I'm interested in are NY, FL, MA and CA
I'm also trying to figure what would be a difference in charges for using following types of ids:
1) Non Government id, such as employee id, membership cards, etc
2) ID that has state name on it, but doesn't mimic any type of id that's actually issued by the state, like Organ Donor card
3) Other ids: World Passport (World Service Authority), International Driving License, any other?
4) State and federal employee IDs - military, police, fire, utility, town, tax etc
5) State driving license
Thanks
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How does obstruction of justice sound? Fake ids will make you a bigger target than you were in the first place. They'll figure you have outstanding warrants. Last I heard, in my state, they can hold you for 72 hours without any charges what-so-ever if they can not figure out your identity. By the time your lawyer has filed a writ of habeas corpus in your real name, it'll be moot.
Oh, yes, they'll find your car & tow it. Maybe tear it apart looking for drugs.
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So found something on MA.
Looks like it's a 5 year felony for driver license/learner permit/state id:
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/90-24b.htm
However I did not find anything on any other types of IDs, so I presume they are ok,
You are escalating the offense by employing fake ID, so it is not a good idea no matter what the increased punishment. Seems pretty simple to me.
Why take a perfectly good misdemeanor and turn it into a felony?
>>You are escalating the offense by employing fake ID, so it is not a good idea no matter what the increased punishment. Seems pretty simple to me.
>> Why take a perfectly good misdemeanor and turn it into a felony?
No, not escalating! Just researching law, nothing wrong with that. And I'll use that knowledge for risk management when time comes.
I've been doing some more reading and searching on NY statutes. I found several laws that could apply to fake IDs, mostly misdemeanors, except forgery:
False personation (only when knowingly giving alias to a cop)
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A FORGED INSTRUMENT (stat must prove intent to defraud)
Forgery (if convicetd of fabrication of id)
Criminal Impersenation (only to obtain a benefit, or to injure or defraud another)
Basically, it looks like, in NY a fake IDs are Ok, as long as not used to defraud or obtain a benefit.
The jackass wants to give fake info to the provider to fake his way through screening, and yet is looking to figure out which ID would cause the least penalty to be carrying if he walks into a sting.
Well, I admit, I could be wrong.
That's how I read it.
I think you are on the right track Sola...
that's exactly what he wants to do. He just doesn't realize that this board isn't a legal research service, but a place to discuss legal issues. If he doesn't want to take the answers he's given, nobody can help that.
No matter how hard you try. But if he pulls this crap on a savvy provider, he's going to get a major slap down and see himself blacklisted.
I can't believe this many people are taking this troll seriously.
DON'T FEED THE TROLL!!!
Ok, Larry. I get it. You want to utilize the services of a reputable provider, but don't want to use your real identity. And you're looking for the least dangerous way to do that.
Not going to happen. At least, not with a reputable provider. How's this for a second option?
Most states will allow you to get a state issued ID card in addition to your driver's license. Likewise, most states will allow you to put a mailing address on your ID in lieu of your physical address as long as both are on record.
1. Get a box at the UPS store or similar place to receive mail.
2. Get a state issued ID card with this mailing address on it, rather than your physical address.
3. Get a hobby phone, i.e. a prepaid cell that doesn't have your name associated with it.
Now, unless your name is really unusual, or you live in a town of less than 10000 people, you've effectively rendered yourself anonymous to casual scrutiny.
The provider gets legitimate information that can be used to find you if you do something that should be brought to the attention of law enforcement. You get the warm fuzzy feeling that comes from knowing that, short of a subpeona or access to government records, it would be pretty hard to find you, your wife, boss, minister, proctologist, etc. And it's all legal...well, the ID part is, anyway.
So, a question for any provider watching this thread: would this be an acceptable solution from your point of view?
Fake ID is for morons - morons who don't mind making new friends at the Gary Bar Hotel. After 9/11....you will really get yourself in a pickle that will be hard to get reduced.
The lovely ladies of Craig's List are waiting for your call. Most of them will see you with no ID at all...
Good luck!
LE would not have the right to go through your personal papers until you were in custody... unless you offered them up as the OP stated "If I show a fake ID to an undercover cop..." which is why you got the answers you did.
Anything in plain view is fair game (put your crap away!) If you were being questioned, you could be patted down for weapons without being in custody. If the later twist is the case, by the time LE has searched you & found the fakes... you'd already be in custody.
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Thanks, it looks like they do have the right to search, eg:
"The United States Supreme Court has held that once a lawful arrest has been made, authorities may conduct a “full search” of the arrestee for weapons or concealed evidence. United States v. Robinson, 414 U.S. 218, 235 (1973). No additional probable cause for the search is required, and the search incident to arrest may “‘involve a relatively extensive exploration of the person.’” Id. at 227 (quoting Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1, 25 (1968)). "
So I wonder, how common is it for them to do full search on a simple misdemeanor arrest?
How about making an inconspicuous enclosure to hold the id? - so in case of a search it would not be discovered, something like a double-walled gum pack, or pack of cigarettes
If they have reason to suspect you have given them a false ID you have given them probable cause to search you and your vehicle. Even if it doesn't stick in court you are still setting yourself up for a world of pain and suffering...
I wish you all the best in your seemingly inexorable attempt to jump from the frying into the fire. There should be a version of the Hobby Darwin Awards for guys like you. Many people here have responded to your increasingly inane questions with the sound advice to NOT DO IT! and yet, you seem hell bent on touching the hot stove.
If that is the only way you are capable of learning, then by all means please have at it. We can read about it in the newspaper.
Meanwhile, back to that Darwin Award thing ...
>> Many people here have responded to your increasingly inane questions with the sound advice to NOT DO IT!
How can you give sound advice when you don't know the circumstance. I'll make the decisions for myself when I know enough about pros and cons.
There was some good factual info in this thread, so thanks to all the good folks that replied.
I can only think of nefarious reasons for using a fake ID, especially in this world. Your quest for information in this vein is one that red flags you as a potential danger to all the ladies.
You want us to "take it easy" even though you won't take the advice given? Then maybe you can explain the circumstances better to sooth the ruffled feathers.
xoxo,
S.
Thousands of men hobby every day with no negative consequence. Either they are lucky or they do their homework... I suggest if you are worried, you should do your homework. Or, as suggested below, stick with CL or travel elsewhere.
We don't want our name in the paper and we don't want stalkers, we also don't want to be beaten raped or killed with no recourse.
You want to trust a lady enough to put your cock in her mouth, but you don't trust her enough to know who you are. There are ladies who will see you. STICK WITH THEM. Save us all a lot of trouble.
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You have a lot of time on your hands to look up Supreme Court Cases but the police can search you anytime they have reasonable cause.
To answer your question, LE always search for guns and drugs so what are you hiding in a double-walled wallet, Larry
This story is analogous to the guy who rants and raves about getting a twenty five year to life prison sentence for being arrested in a sting when the other arrestees were only cited and released. What he fails to mentioned is the fact that he had a gun in his possession that was taken during a home invasion robbery at a judge residence where the judges wife was sexually assaulted; he was on parole for armed robbery and he had a pocket full of crack cocaine packaged in mini baggies for resale. Oh and he also had beard and that is why LE decided to throw the book at him because LE routinely screws over people with beards.
There are over 130,000 inmates in the California Prison System and I am sure each one of them has a similar story as to how they were systematically fucked over by the criminal justice system.
sorry but most in the biz I for one can tell a fake name from real by the information you have your cell phone and I can look up with intellus and if it doesnt match and no referrals no correct address or other stuff doesnt quite match you dont see me period! I feel like you may hurt me or trying to rip me off! I dont do anything with information unless someone hurt me or stiffed me to inform others on private boards for providers boards so it doesnt happen to reputable girls period. Not so much the LE Im concerned about its freaks and jack the ripper. My girlfriend (2 in the biz) we text or email each other and let each one know who we saw last and where so if something happens then we know who was with what last. Sorry but if this scares you go to a brothel in Las vegas or a third world country or CL
Now I'll also have to go get a mailbox and spend next year filling out registration cards and magazine subscriptions under new name just so you can check me out through dang databases, or hold on ...may be I'll just do CL and third world countries like canada and europ, cauze this absurdity is really just the states Haha
You really are a piece of work Larry. Intellus and sites like it track utility bills, bank and civil records, not freaking magazine subscriptions. Unless you go get a fake social security number (I'm sure you have thought of this already) you can't fake this stuff.
What I don't understand is why you are going through so much trouble to get laid when it is really very easy to get your rocks off and stay safe. Stick with well reviewed and established providers, give them the info they need to screen you and you will be fine. Ladies who are in this for the long haul know how to stay safe and this keeps their clients safe as well.
All the fake ID's in the world won't help you when you get caught in a CL sting at some cheap motel. You can of course take solace in the fact that at least you never gave your real name to the undercover cop who answered the phone when you booked the appointment...
There is a problem with agencies - when they get busted (only a matter of time) ...they clients list ends up in papers (they keep records regardless of what they say). So 600 guys were exposed at the recent Phoenix bust, a couple hundred in DC, a few more in NY. So now anyone who googles you will know, unless you have a fairly common name.
And secondly, girls under 25 just don't have good business practices. May be a few do, but, as a group, they don't know enough about computer security, or safe handling of clients records, and never know if there is a pimp behind it, or jealous boyfriend, drugz booze and drama - see enough of it just reading Boston and Pornstars boards.
Again,
If you are worried about agencies and "girls under 25" then simply don't see them.
This is NOT a legitimate excuse to try to bypass their safety requirements. They are JUST AS ENTITLED AS YOU ARE to try to protect themselves.
People like you are EXACTLY why I go through such an intense process in my screening. I wish it weren't necessary though posts like yours show me how important it is. Thanks for the reminder.
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...Because it is so obviously a character and the fact that he mentions MA law/Boston boards tells me that he is LodidGun/Andyrock etc. having a jolly good laugh at TER users by creating and posting with "characters" whose syntax plainly gives him away.
If you don't want a provider to know your real name, it is easy enough to see a lady who does not screen. There are plenty on CL who will be happy to take your money, no questions asked. Instead, you decide to acquire a fake ID in an effort to deliberately deceive ladies who do screen. From your posts in this and other threads it is obvious you have a problem with women who have the nerve to take care of their own safety.
I agree with other ladies who have pointed out that threads like this one remind us to be extra vigilant about the verification process. This is rather counterproductive to your apparent objective, and a shame for other gentlemen who have to suffer additional inconvenience because of the dubious intents of a vocal minority.
Why would you have a fake ID to begin with?