OMG dont they have anything better to do then bust this crap. So many murders and drugs how sad that they cant even crack some of the unsolved crimes.
The police have been threatening to do this for months. Now that they've done it, what are the options for those whose names and other personal info are about to be exposed?
I have to ask this because now it seems more feasible than ever that many on the list, even visitors to Phoenix, may indeed be facing charges.
Previous threads have discussed how warrants may be issued for people who don't live in the area and don't even know they HAD a warrant out for them until they suddenly get busted in another state. The basis, according to the posters, is for failing to appear in court in the issuing jurisdiction.
I imagine the distant police force would want to have someone extradited for a felony, but what about a misdemeanor? Would they so aggressively pursue someone in another state for a non-felony?
Also, what about the statute of limitations? The list that the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office just released (or is about to) goes back three years, which means the statutes on two years' worth of alleged misdemeanor offenses on it have already run out. Even so, do those "offenders" still have something to worry about?
I am assuming, of course, that those on the list would stand to face misdemeanor counts only, not felonies. The MCSO is known to be rather Draconian, often to the point of violating U.S. Constitutional law.
Misdemeanor warrants are NOT enforced out-of-state (not to be confused with your DMV refusing to renew your Drivers License if you fail to pay out-of-state citations).
Assuming your name was on some roster in PHX and the PD issued a warrant for your arrest on a misdemeanor soliciting charge, you would have an open warrant in Arizona. You may only be charged with 'Failure to Apper' if you have been served papers that commanded a court appearance and then did not show.
Yes, if you went back to Arizona and had contact with LE, they would run you and find the open misdemeanor warrant and you COULD be booked at that point.
I think this is much ado about nothing. Unless the records in question say 'Paid $X00.00 for blow job and straight fuck' they don't have evidence that you did ANYTHING other than hire an 'escort' or 'masseuse' or 'private dancer'. What everyone KNOWS you were doing is not relevant in a court of law.
NOBODY is extradited for a simple misdemeanor like this.
MVR
OMG dont they have anything better to do then bust this crap. So many murders and drugs how sad that they cant even crack some of the unsolved crimes.
What the list gives LE is SOME evidence that the guys on the list have engaged in prostitution that provides a basis for furher investigation.
If they are really serious about bringing these guys down- and that video that promised a second wave of arrests is pretty ominous - here is how I think they would do it. They would offer a plea agreement (or perhaps even immunity for super cooperation) to one of the ladies busted and facing felony charges to identify and testify against everyone on the list that paid her for sex within the stqtute of limtiations (which is one year in many states).
Based on this info they would obtain arrest warrants for the guys, unless Arizona is like Mass which DC advises does not allow arrest warrants for misdemeanors.
As to whether they would attempt to get the out of state guys as well is a different question. Seems unduly expensive for such a triffling crime/
Often the police are forced to make a show of force on the customers, only for political motives, so some mayor or police commissioner can say they are cracking down on that. Mostly though, they are after the agency or the provider herself. Sometimes, the clients are given plea bargins or immunity if they ccoperate. LE knows they have a married man, with a good job, by the balls if he does not cooperate. For most men, the thought of being caught is much worse than the actual arrest itself. The loss of reputation with the wife, kids, friends, and job, is much worse than a misdemeanor.
They can't put a warrant out...they would have to get you in a "sting" that list isn't proof of anything!!!!!!!
Use common sense people!!! Or when in doubt call your attorney!!!
that only one city in the World (Mexico City) has a higher kidnap rate than Phoenix. Of course, none of these kidnappings has ever been done by a provider, but by drug dealers and other gangsters from Mexico. I guess it's easier to arrest providers and expose their clients than to try to protect people from really vicious gangsters who kidnap people at a rate of slightly more than one a day. LE in Phoenix must be so proud.
If they must keep list (something no one admits yet I suspect many do, particularly agencies), just go on the web and find the names of local elected officials, judges, police, and add them to you lists, scattered throughout - then if busted and the list is found, I think the police would be less likely to release it.
LE is not releasing the list to ruin the reputations of listees but bc the list is a public record under the state public records act and someone (probably the media) has filed a request for it.
The list probably been withheld for this long bc of an ongoing investigation. Most public record acts contain an exception for this.
Apparently LE has concluded that release of the list now will not impair the investigation and it legally required to release it.
These public record acts have fargoing consequences for the escort field bc you can be embarrassed just by an arrest, even if totally innocent since in most states the basic arrest record must be disclosed (see thread where I pointed this out to a poster who believed arrest records were confidential).
that is exactly why I have been fighting so hard to have my name cleared 100%(the arrest sealed & destroyed)after almost 7 years & now over 10 grand..
and I don't need this accussation..NOT guilty is NOT good enough in this type of charge, there is a damaging "stigma"....
Having the chief of police on a "johns" list would be much more newsworthy than releasing the real name of robsul2004 or GaGambler
Regarding a possible criminal prosecution, without other collaborating evidence, a name on a list means very close to almost nothing. Your name on a list is not evidence of much of anything, certainly not that you committed a crime.
All it is, is a point where the police can begin an investigation. To start with, a name on a list is not proof that you ever met with one of the ladies, paid for anything and that if you paid for something it was illegal. One really has nothing legally to worry about unless one is famous -- such as former Gov. Spitzer -- and has a girl to testify AND left a trail of payment receipts.
The embarrassment and public "outing" is another factor.
As I have said in other posts, agencies are inherently dangerous. They are networks involving multiple providers so they make a big splash when rolled up. Because they are organizations they keep records -- that is just one of the things organizations do. When Mary Sue the independent provider is busted there is no effort put into finding out who her clients were (unless LE knows someone of importance is involved). It is just a single bust, plea bargain and its over.
On the other hand, agencies get press play. Press coverage is important to justify the agencies budget. Press play gets Mr. LE his 15 min. of fame on TV (see the Phoenix TV spot). There is no glory in busting Mary Sue....and no trying to run down a client list -- assuming such a list even exists. Independents are not taking credit cards so those types of records are not available. And, using a credit card to pay for a ladies services is stupid to the point of speechlessness.
For me once again, the moral of the story is this: Agencies Are Dangerous, the ladies and to the guys.
Totally agree. My name is on the Phoenix list. Fortunately the name is misspelled and I am out of town.
If this happened in my town, with the correct name, I would be toast.
I am done with agencies, they simply are not worth the risk.
Releasing the client list is done to embarrass people.
The fact that a provider (or agency) has a record saying that John Doe paid $100 to have sex with Jane in not enought to prosecute, much less convict.
The person making the record at the agency probably has no personal knowledge of what happened, since he didn't see the transaction, so even if the record-maker testifies, it is hearsay, for which there is no exception.
There are also problems with credibility of an accomplice, which the agency would be in this case.
Assuming the client doesn't talk, there is no other evidence.
In short, your wife may get pissed, and you may be embarrassed when your name is in the paper, but it is not enough to prosecute
My name is in the records in it's full complete form. I hired two girls to perform at a bachelor party at my home. No illegal activity took place. I'll probably lose my job but I'm living proof you can be on the list even if you haven't committed any crimes.
