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Challenging the Prostitution Statutes on the Right to Contract!!!
mrfisher 115 Reviews 286 reads
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Sex is legal, buying stuff is legal, so why isn't buying sex legal?

Sounds good to me.

I wonder if any court has ever adjudicated a case based on this argument.

maxwell44 23 Reviews 188 reads
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2 / 8

I think they are just trying to say that a person is a person, unless the person is not a person, in which case the person is hereby known to not be a person, but for the sake of this argument, we will pretend that it is a person anyway.   Clear as mud?  ...Good, now sign here.

It is one of those types of laws that needs multiple paragraphs of nonsense in order to explain what the hell they are talking about, which is generally something that a 4 year old can explain coherently in two sentences.  That is what lawyers are paid big bucks to do by the way.

mrfisher 115 Reviews 127 reads
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3 / 8

Think of it this way:

Let's say that you had a club and one of the rules is that no women can join.

Then a woman tries to join and is rejected on account of the rule.

Without the clarifications sited above that woman could sue in court for membership saying that she is not "women", but a "woman", and that is not excluded by the wording of the rule that spells out it is "women" who can not join.  So, she will argue that she ought to be admitted and that while she is a member, no other woman could be admitted.

Clear as a bell right?

8o)

(still not a lawyer)

Terrapin911 71 Reviews 203 reads
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5 / 8

n one of his HBO Specials George laid it out like this... The man was a genius...  

"Selling is legal..."
"Fucking is legal..."
"Why isn't selling fucking legal..."
"How can it be illegal to sell something, it's perfectly legal to give away..."
"I can't follow the logic behind that at all!

junglegym25 19 Reviews 79 reads
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junglegym25 19 Reviews 99 reads
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7 / 8

I 100% agree. In fact, I'm surprised that there are not civil liberties groups out there that are fighting to make this challenge. I strongly believe that weed is going to be 100% legal across the country within the next 10 years just like it has been recently legalized for recreational use in CO and WA. The marijuana legalization lobby has always had NORML to fight against marijuana prohibition laws. What group do hobbyists and providers have to stand up for them as we partake in what is essentially a victimless crime? As long as there is no trafficking, no pimping, and no underage providers out there, what a hobbyist and a provider(s) do behind closed doors should be legal and consensual. I'm not lawyer, but if prostitution laws can be challenged under the contract laws then I hope someone who is bright and wants to make a name for themselves in the legal circles can step and make that challenge. It may take 50 years like the marijuana legalization movement has (starting in the 1960s) but the longest journeys always start with a single step.

Mr-Blonde 127 reads
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1. You can enter into a contract for anything, but a contract for any illegal activity is unenforceable.
2. You are correct that fornication and adultery are not illegal, but soliciting prostitution is in fact illegal in most places.    
3. The rationale for it being illegal is typically a bullshit one, but it is illegal nonetheless.  
4. Fornication and adultery are not the same thing as soliciting prostitution.  These activities often times overlap, but they are distinct things.  
5. Making prostitution illegal does not violate your right to contract for any lawful activity.  It violates your right to contract for "formerly" lawful activities.  
6. If you could successfully argue that your right to contract for legal things is being infringed, then the legislature won't be able to make anything else illegal either.  Not rape, not murder, not kidnapping, not stealing, not anything... because what are you going to say, making any of these things illegal violates your right to contract for them?  That is not an argument that any court would ever uphold.  
7. A better legal argument would be argue that this is about civil rights, which is what gay marriage advocates are successfully doing these days.    
8. Notwithstanding my interpretation of our American legal system, I don't think that prostitution should even be a crime.  It is merely a business transaction between private parties, generally speaking, nobody is being harmed, and there isn't even a victim, unless someone is being forced to do it against their will.
9. If a crime has to exist, then it should be limited to situations where someone is knowingly engaging in unsafe sex while having a dangerous STD, which would in fact cause harm to someone else.  I would imagine that if states did legalize it, it would end up like how the porn studios operate, which is to say there would be regulations about being tested for STDs etc, and that's probably what it would take for it to be legalized.  After all, you have to remember that the STD argument is what was commonly used as the rationale to justify making it illegal in the first place.  

Posted By: indicaman981
The US Supreme Court ruled in Lochner v. New York, 198 U.S. 45 (1905) that the right to contract is a liberty found in the 14th amendment.  
   
 In the old days when fornication and adultery were unlawful, then the right to contract argument cannot work. But today the fornication and adultery is no longer illegal so the constitutional right of contract can exist for sex work.  
 The right to contract means that a person can contract for something that is lawful and doesn't create a disturbance in the neighborhood.   You cannot contract for unlawful activities like murder, assault, drug dealing, etc.   If sex between consenting adults are lawful,  why a person cannot contract for it. A contract involves a consideration. An agreement is a deal may not involve a consideration.  
   
 A blanket law that makes prostitution is illegal everywhere violates someone’s right to contract for a lawful activity.  You may not agree with my constitution argument but this is the controversy for the court to hear.  
   
 Yes, there are reasonable restriction can be placed on contracting. A city or town can limit the amount of customer for a location. The person can be prohibiting from contracting on streets and sidewalk.  As long as there is no disturbance, lawful,  and it is in private, then the right to contract can exist  
 

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