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say you are busted with a provider
niceguy129 9116 reads
posted
1 / 16

and LE are asking you 101 questions, grilling you and trying to scare you into saying something to hurt yourself.

as long as you stick to the story of "I paid her for her time and company only"  you in the green right? and have nothing on you?

mrfisher 115 Reviews 7828 reads
posted
2 / 16

and just by saying the words:  "...I paid her...." you have conveniently slipped the noose over your head.

Say nothing except that you want to call your lawyer.

(still not a lawyer)

charlie445 3 Reviews 8738 reads
posted
3 / 16

If you are busted, ask for a lawyer, say nothing else. Chances are that you have been stung. Be prepared to provide Bail Bond funds.
BTW busted means that you have been read your rights and arrested.

This is not legal advice

shudaknownbetter 8918 reads
posted
4 / 16

If busted you're not in a room with a provider but a decoy who set you up.  Exactly what each of you said...who can remember?  Don't worry you can later hear it played back on tape.  Shut the F*ck up.  Get a Lawyer.  Anything you say will only add to their case.

If they don't bust you in the room, LE does have a case unless you give them the info.

If accosted by LE outside, Shut the F*ck up.  If they ask you questions, turn it on them "Have I done something wrong?"  I have some knowledge of LE in my state...  LE can detain you for questioning without arrest.  They can frisk you for weapons for the officers safety.  Anything found can be admissable.  LE can require you to identify yourself & can hold you for 72 hours if not satisfied with your ID, so they can figuire out who you are.

I once witnessed a traffic stop.  The guy says he didn't blow the red light & says he wasn't going 60, he was only going 45 mph.  So the cop writes him a ticket for 45 in a 35.  The guy says "You never clocked me!"  Cop says "You admitted you going 45."    

skb

-- Modified on 10/14/2008 3:48:01 PM

Dr. joe 32 Reviews 7610 reads
posted
5 / 16

I have a dear friend, truly a friend, who ran for many years a B & D service with both dommes and subs.  I had become her friend when she became my patient.  No sex, never used her services.  She had been busted a few years before the story I am about to tell, her expensive equipment had been seized, and she had spent all her savings and then some on lawyers.  She fought the charges as her ladies never engaged in sex acts.  After three years, she won.  She mocked the police who had arrested her as she left the court (brilliant move, but there she is.) She re established herself.  I was visiting her place one day.  Her married boy friend was there too.  (They are now married so it was serious.) She had a domme working for her.   A client showed up and went in with the domme.  There was soon a pounding on the door and the door was broken in.  POLICE they yelled.  I was, of course, fully dressed, without any cash, drinking tea with my friend's boy friend.  The cops came in.  I told them who I was and what I was doing there.  Her boy friend went nuts.  The police said they would arrest us both.  The boy friend went even crazier.  My friend agreed that she would not demand a search warrant if the police let her boy friend go. They agreed. They said to me: Doc you better get lost fast because the TV stations have been notified.  I left quickly just ahead of the TV trucks.  THE MORAL: If the police had wanted to arrest me and embarrass me and ruin my marriage and perhaps my professional position, they could have done so even though I was there on a social visit.  Neither a story like "I paid for her time" nor even innocence is protective if they want to get you.

shudaknownbetter 6159 reads
posted
6 / 16

DJ has a good point.  
Any of us could be detained or even arrested for being in the wrong place at the wrong time...  even if we are innocent.  We might have to hire a lawyer to prove it in court & could still lose the trial in the press.  
It's a whole lot smarter to be careful & discrete (which reduces the odds but doesn't guarentee safety).  It's really not wise to PO the LE.  
skb

GaGambler 4586 reads
posted
7 / 16

and knowing and exercising your rights against self incrimination.

You are absolutely correct that anyone can be detained or even arrested without the police having a case. The best approach is to politely refuse to admit to anything and I mean ANYTHING, not a massage, not time and companionship, NOTHING. but do it politely and respectfully.

The police have a lot of latitude. If you piss them off they may arrest you whether they can make the case stick or not. If you admit to a crime you are even more screwed. Stick to your guns, call your attorney if arrested and under no circumstances admit to anything.

BooneDawg 6 Reviews 7245 reads
posted
8 / 16
Saynothingatall 6149 reads
posted
9 / 16

You hear this all the time, you have the right to remain silent.

Your silence cannot be used against you. Your words, however, can and will be used against you.

So, say nothing. Submit to nothing. And let the investigator know that they can talk to your lawyer.

Don't give the police a free opportunity to build a case against you.

Police have a right to lie in their investigation, but you don't. So if you say something that is a lie, it most likely can and will be used against you.

Dr. joe 32 Reviews 7383 reads
posted
10 / 16

In the case I described above, it would have been disastrous.  The police were there to arrest my friend.  I was innocent of any illegal activity.  Police tend to respect physicians.  I was open, honest, and respectful.  They could have kept me there until the TV cameras arrived and even paraded me out.  The case would have been thrown out, but I would have been really up the creek.  Silence would have made them angry.  In this case, telling the simple truth respectfully got me off the hook.

Saynothingatall 5819 reads
posted
11 / 16

Not always true, especially if you're really guilty.

You are just fortunate they didn't want to do the paper work required to process you and be held accountable for an arrest that wouldn't likely have held up in court. Did anyone get arrested?

And as for respecting your profession, you have a high self esteem and image of yourself as a doctor, they don't. The smart criminals are more difficult that the stupid ones

And I'm curious, did you pull out credentials to prove your profession? Or maybe one of the cops are a patient of yours.

shudaknownbetter 6671 reads
posted
12 / 16

The current trend in LE is military style indoctrination as opposed to the community baed Policing of 20+ years ago.  What has been lost is the essance of "common sense".  Cops are afraid to use discretion.  Therefore, I would not rely on it.  
skb

Dr. joe 32 Reviews 6376 reads
posted
13 / 16

First, I was innocent of anything.  The police were there to hassle my friend who had previously taunted them when one of her cases was thrown out.  Second, I don't have a high view of myself, I just know that police in this area are respectful of physicians in general. This is true in many locations.  I was working in New York and given a police badge that ID'd me as a physician and it resulted in a ticket being waived that I truly deserved. The police asked for my driver's license which I gave them.  There was a card that is a small copy of your medical license plasticized in my wallet.  My friend, the lady who ran the place, was arrested.  She waived her right to see a search warrant under the condition that her boy friend was let off (They were about to arrest him to black mail her.)  I was not a "smart" criminal since I was there on a purely social visit.  Her case was eventually thrown out but the expense etc put her out of business. Her boy friend's wife died and they are now happily married.

leogab 2 Reviews 6369 reads
posted
14 / 16

Best thing to do is tell the cop "I have nothing more to say". If they don't already have any evidence, they will probably let you go. If they do already have evidence, you are getting arrested no matter what you say so the only word that should come out of your mouth after "I have nothing more to say" is "LAWYER".

Ludlow 6732 reads
posted
15 / 16

The best advice is what others have said, be polite, saw nothing other than, "I would like to address all of your questions.  As soon as I have consulted with my attorney we may do so.  Until then, I can say nothing further."  And while not easy, you will want to say that in a very respectful and polite tone.  They have the guns and the cuffs and you gain nothing by pissing them off.

The BIGGEST mistake people make is to try and argue or "convince" their way out of the situation.  Dr. Joe did and it worked.  People have also gone over Nigara Falls in a barrel and lived.  Just don't bet on that kind of luck.  Only try this if you are truly innocent, such as you came to the place to fix an electric switch and you truly are the electrician.

You will be very nervous, on the verge of panic, your  life will seem ruined. The police know this; they will want to exploit it.  You will be very vulnerable and you will say too much and you will get yourself cooked. The police may even bate you:  "Tell me Sr. how is it that you are in this ladies room with only your  underwear on.  If you have an innocent explanation, I would like to hear it."  You are being set up.  It won't work. It is a trap. The vice officers do this all night long.  It is your first time.  You don't have a chance.  

It is key to plan in advance for what we hope will never happen.  Assume you will be scared shitless, cuffed and put in the back of a patrol car.  You will probably be taken in, booked and released on low bail.  There is nothing you can do other than say the same thing when asked a question.....you will speak to them as soon as you are represented by legal counsel.  

The police will take you and the girl away separately to question.  They will most likely tell you that she has already talked, said you paid her for sex (assuming you were not stung by a decoy).  What she did or did not say is not relevant at that point.  If she talked, then you truly have nothing to say!  What the police want at that moment is your confession. Whatever she may or may not have said only becomes later when you are working with your attorney.

All you control once the police arrive is your silence.  The rest they control.  You need to just take the ride until you get bailed, then you and your attorney go to work.  You are not going to talk your way out of it.  The policy need a scalp to bring back to the station.  They are not going to admit they did all this work to not get an arrest.  Promotions are not made that way.

You and your lawyer are going to need to spin the story your way.  Whatever you have said to the police is going to be used to limit your spin opportunities.  


tigermilkboy 1 Reviews 8031 reads
posted
16 / 16

Innocent or not, you are innocent until proven otherwise. My legal expertise is European Law, not US local laws-they are all different.

However, first thing if approached by LE obey their requests-it will hurt otherwise. If you were doing nothing feel free to offer any info-it could be a case of mistaken identity and LE is trying to determine who you are. So do not panic! If you demand to speak to a lawyer straight away, this will ring alarm bells for LE. Staying silent is your right but it projects suspicion. Use your commonsense! Would I let LE search my car? I would judge that situation and let them know I am a lawyer.

Now if you are busted with a provider. I would advise you say nothing, other than to confirm your name and identity and ask for legal representation.
The most common mistake is for someone to lie and say something like 'I was just going to visit my friend/relative/etc'. LE will check out your statement and if they find inconsistencies with your story. Secondly, people will say the first thing that comes into their heads and forget what they said, or dwell on the first thing they say and ellaborate. Again you seem inconsistent. You need to talk to your lawyer to be clear on your story, your lawyer will iron out the inconsistencies.
Because the law varies so much in the US, you really do need a good lawyer. I don't know every law in that county or this. A good lawyer will look at this. Entrapment and other methods are illegal in some places-yes LE set up operations which are illegal. Some methods are not legitimate methods of LE. But even so, more often than not LE will try and avoid going to trial. It is a huge cost to go to trial for what is considered a minor offense. Only a good lawyer can advise you on your options. But first and foremost, if you think you are guilty of something say nothing and wait for a lawyer.

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