Someone recently told me that entrapment in perfectly legal in cali. I am in LA and have just discovered TER and have met one girl so far. She had a LOT of reviews so I felt safe.

It was after this that I heard of the entrapment thing. I thought I was safe with the phrase "are you law enforcement of any kind" But I guess not.

Besides using providers with a nice history of reviews (by the way how many is a good enough history ?) Is there a phrase or a way or something I CAN do to protect myself ?
If not when can I relax when I am there ? after a kiss ? what ? if anything. Also is this entrapment being legal in califonia true ?

From what I understand, entrapment is not legal in California. I think it's the definition of entrapment that people don't understand. It IS confusing and vague, but here is my general understanding of it.

One is entrapped when a law enforcement officer convinces someone to do something illegal when that person had no previous intention or inclination to do it.

If a lady has an ad on an escort mall, the cop calls her (or emails her), they set up an appointment, and she walks in the room and gets busted, that's not entrapment. She was no innocent flower without any predilection to go through with the deal. The cops usually try to get her to do or say something incriminating once she's there, in order to bolster their case. But, usually, once the girl walks into the sting, she's not going get away unscathed.

LE DO NOT have to admit they are LE while conducting an undercover investigation. Think of how silly it would be if they did. All any criminal would have to ask is "Are you a cop?" before agreeing to sell the undercover officer drugs, stolen merchandise, or to tell him anything incriminating.

I'm not an attorney, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night. So, attorneys, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Well I am glad you got your hotel straightened out. Thanks for the advice. I agree with you about the fact that it is not entrapment itself that is ilegal, It's the definition.

That is a really good point about LE having to identify themselves. I think that would blow most undercover cases out of teh water if it were true.

So I guess there really is no way to truly protect yourself ? You just have to roll the dice a bit and hope for the best ?

I guess that is why this site exists, You pick someone with a nice history of reviews and go. I don't think the cops can nor would they fuck a bunch of customers to get a history going just so they could set a few poor guys up. If they did though you think that officer would get hazzard pay ?

Anyway thanks for the advice

A little help please, Is there any iron clad way to protect myself ? if not what are the best ways to do so. also at what point am I "in the clear" ? a kiss, her clothes off ? what ?

This issue has had a lot of reads, No one is posting any advice. I can't be the only guy in LA with this question.

Please help thanks

While entrapment is not legal, if you are ging to see a provider in response to an ad that even hints at sexual favors, if you arrive with cash, if you have sent emails and had (recorded) phone conversations, how do you figure you are being entrapped???

There is no safe question you can ask, or whip out your dick to be safe.

Even if somehow you found yourself with a provider and cash in an envelope yet truly believed you were on an innocent, legal date and WERE entrapped, it's simply your word against the police and good luck with that one

All that being said,the chances of showing up to reviewed provider and having it be a LE sting are very very tiny. This isn't golf or collecting stamps, as a "HOBBY" it has certain risks that you cannot totally deny, but can be careful and reasonable and have fun, or play some golf. Life doesn't come with guarantees.

Your honor, there is no way that my client can get a fair trial, everyone in the crowd saw him shoot the victem.

You are participating in an activity that is illegal. There is absolutely nothing you can do to protect yourself 100% from getting "busted". You can lower the risk dramatically by doing research and following the advice of people that have been doing this very thing for years.

Anytime that clients and providers come up with a "surefire" way to tell if someone is LE or not (like exposing and caressing an exposed breast) then you can damn well be sure that LE are going to do what they can to allow that to happen in the event of a bust.

You want to be 100% safe, never hobby.

Entrapment is not legal anywhere in the U.S., but it does not mean merely being trapped as Mbbnyc seems to believe.  It means being pushed into committing a crime you otherwise would not have been willing to commit.

This is more involved that "when a law enforcement officer convinces someone to do something illegal when that person had no previous intention or inclination to do it", the definition Legal Corner Alias offered.  If the police provide an opportunity to commit a crime, someone who had no itention or inclination to do so might still take the bait on his own initiative.  That would not be entrapment.  It only becomes entrapment if the police pressure the defendant into doing what he otherwise would not have done.

Setting up sting operations is legal (and not just in California) and does not amount to entrapment unless the police cross this particular line.

Better late than never on this subject...I think that Sideone and Legal Corner Alias both give some pretty good advice on this subject...entrapment is not legal anywhere in this country on any level (although I'm sure the Bush Administration has been working on it . If you want to read the California Jury Instruction on entrapment you can google it and print it out....after the first sentence you will be reaching for the Excedrin bottle wondering what drug the person was on who wrote the damned thing in the first place but that's what lawyers do....confuse and engage in vagueness...I think what is most important is to focus on what LE can and cannot do and where they are doing it....YOU WILL NEVER SEE A FEMALE LE WORKING ALONE...guaranteed... there will be at least two male LE working with her....also, it is very rare that female LE will meet you in a hotel room alone because it is too dangerous for them....the way they work is to hit you up on the street and take you to a room where there are male LE waiting...by this time you have had the conversation of "sex for money" and the entry into the room is the completion of the overt act necessary to complete the crime... male LE, on the other hand, will frequently work outcall providers to specific hotel rooms...the "are you a cop?" routine is a waste of time..they don't have to tell you...however, making him take off his clothes is not...he will usually hem and haw his way to avoid it because it is not something he will want to put in the police report....having a digital camera around for protection is not a bad idea for the provider...they will inventory the property and deny that you had a camera but it's not something that a jury will expect to hear at trial and it gives it a nervous twist for the prosecutor to handle....jurors do not like hearing that LE actually engaged in any sexual activity (even if it is just shedding clothes)... LE lie! pure & simple...working vice is nasty business and is a short stop on a promotion ladder for LE...no LE want to make a career of this....be smart and use common sense and you will be fine....there is no 100% foolproof method....balthasar is right...you want no risks, then don't hobby....if there are specifics you want, feel free to private message, if it's general stuff for everyone to read and share, I'll be happy to take a stab at it....levendi

alright, what do you think of this scenario:

responded to add, posted on craigslist type of website, with pics, phone number, and prices for amount of time.  no specifics on services.  she asked me on the phone if i was a cop, of course i said no.  scheduled a time and hotel day before, she said to call from my hotel room when i got there, hotel phone.  about an hour before, she calls me and asks for my birth date, to check "yahoo people finder" to make sure i'm not a criminal?  i'm with a co-worker at the time, and just trying to get off the phone - i actually told her my birthdate and hung up (probably, dumb, huh?).  she shows up at the hotel room right on time and asks for $$ that was discussed for time - she immediately goes to the bathroom, saying she had to go because of her "drive", but not more than like 25 seconds, which seemed odd to me (too short?).  She calls to check in on the hotel phone, and wants to see drivers license to verify who i am, "for her safety" in case something happens. i did it, over the phone i hear her just saying "uh huh, uh huh" and that's it.  Then,  i try to strike up a conversation with her, and she keeps gestering toward the bed and asking what I want.  I tell her i'm looking for something long term, so let's just get to know each other.  jokingly, after some small talk, i say, you aren't a cop, of course, right?  then, she rolls her eyes, but won't say a word!  then, i'm like, uhhh, that's funny, but seriously, you aren't LE, right?  She does the same thing then starts to say that "i'm making her feel uncomfortable", after I had offered her something to drink or eat, chit chatted, etc.  very strange at this point.  then she says, i've got to make a call - btw, all of these calls are on the hotel phone, for what its worth.  Previous calls back and forth were on my mobile before she came to the room.  then, this "black" chick on the phone, who I hadn't heard in scheduling this chick, says "i've been acting paranoid from the beginning" (which is untrue, i never did anything but be polite) and that i should just go back to my wife if i'm going to be like this (i just laugh, thinking, is she bluffing/badgering, what is she talking about)?  u hang up with this black chick and i'm trying to think, what the hell is going on here, this doesn't feel right, then, the chick says she is leaving and that i should meet her in the lobby and talk about this "with them" and "not to forget my cell phone!"  oh, and also, about an hour before, besides asking for my birth date, she kept reminding me about doing things for "her safety" - she said this a bunch of times at the room too, which seemed odd, because it was like she was either driving an agenda or told to say it.

Anyway, At this point, I'm thinking, i've either been scammed or this was LE, but i sure as hell didn't leave my room, at least for an hour, before catching a cab and going out.  I walked through the lobby and didn't see anything, other than a plain clothes officer by the cabs, but this is probably normal, even in this liberal, northern cal city.  anyway, what do you think about this one?  obviously i need to read more reviews/subscribe for the future, but what's your feeling on what happened here?  It felt like LE to me...i didn't care about giving away "the donation" either, i was feeling like i paid for a learning experience, one way or the other...but, that was another point, is that the "donation" was pocketed quickly and ended up walking out the door quickly too...

I am afraid that you got scammed my friend...no female LE is going to come into a hotel room alone...I promise you that...it is simply too dangerous for them....and, even if she was LE, the phone call in the bathroom would have been to her male LE friends (female LE use a pre-arranged signal) and the male LE would have come into the room because the crime was complete based on your answering the ad, going to the hotel and, more important, giving her the money...that's all LE would need....I have yet to hear of LE planting an ad in the paper or on the internet....if someone has different info, I would appreciate the education...If LE plants the ad, it would probably be all over the discussion boards of this site....in your case, I would not give anyone a birthdate...and I would have held off giving the money until clothes came off...as I said before, LE do not like to shed clothes, especially females.... sorry for your experience, friend...but, the good news is that it is a lot cheaper than having been caught and facing the music.... I would suggest that you stick to incalls and check to see that the provider has been reviewed by several trustworthy reviewers......

Not fool proof but I do the following things to make myself more at ease.

1.) never meet at hotels,
2.) never ever talk about money
3.) never pay until after
4.) park my car far away from the meeting point, if I do get caught I will say I took the bus so my car doesn't get impounded.
5.) stick with Asian or European providers with poor English skills, most likely not a cop.
6.) never leave my used condom at the place, if the next customer comes and kills her, the last thing I want is my DNA lying around.
7.) never touch the money or the envelope, I use gloves to take the money from the ATM and gloves to handle the envelope, when I leave the envelope I will leave it in the bathroom and use a tissue to take it out of my pocket.
8.) never use the ATM on the same day I see a provider.
9.) If you do get caught never say anything to the cops, just said you are waiting for your lawyer to represent you, say that you intend to corporate fully but any questions they have they should address to your attorney. Just give them your ID and that's it.
10.) If you do get caught spend the money on a good attorney, you don't want to have to explain this on your next job interview.


Some may think this caution is excessive, but it's all about what makes you feel better during the session. I also like to stick with providers that I like, more often than not when you are a repeat customer your service gets much better each time. I also tend to stay away from cities where cops have nothing better to do. e.g. Burbank / Glendale, etc.

The only thing I would add to this excellent post is Orange County where LE tends to take this stuff way too seriously and will use providers as a means to catch more customers... this happened quite a bit about four years ago when I was last active on these boards. This is not intended to disrespect any of the excellent providers down there....only to increase the level of awareness.....

Ok, that is why you guys need to STOP asking for full service, hinting or implying that you are seeking sex or sexual activities.
Keep your emails discreet. Never sand dirty talk even when you know each other a long time.
Don't use terms for prostitution like cups of coffee.
Use Listerine and kiss with tongue. LE will not kiss you and never discuss the money or use sexual language until well into your tryst.
What were you doing there? have your story straight. You don't have to speak to LE and busts occur because the guys open their mouths. They ALWAYS snitch on the girl if promised leniency. The police need you to say something before they can do anything to you. What happens is after a guy tells LE what they want to hear then the can investigate and the next guy is going down along with the girl. The providers who get used to bring in more guys have usually been snitched on by a guy leaving.
That is the facts. You have to tell on yourself and you have to tell on her to get in trouble.
Escort is legal. Prostitution is not. The case will get thrown out if they try to arrest you for showing up. By telling them that yopu know they have nothing and you want your lawyer you are going to get let go. Do you have the guts to face LE and keep your mouth shut?
ANY OF YOU?

What about if cops post fake ads to catch potential clients??

As a fairly new provider...I don't feel real comfortable w/waiting till the end of date to receive compensation.  unfortunately not all "hobbiest" are honest.  I have been shorted or "stiffed" completey...and the service was great.  I usually just wait until we are "involved" safely  then ask for business to be handled.  Any suggestions on a better way to handle?