After reading frankyboy's post earlier, and responding to it in what I thought was an appropriate manner, I have come to the conclusion that I acted irresponsibly. To Frankyboy, I apoplogize. My intention was not to flame you, but to point out that LVDelight was not an agency. I could have done it better than I did. I hope those that I may have offended will accept my apology, and let this pass under the bridge.

Again, I am sorry.

Brian

Brian, your post under Frankyboy's thread was very respectful! Even Franky didn't answer you with bitterness like he did with Sara and Tori, who are both sweet, wonderful, INDEPENDENT providers! That should have made you understand that an apology wasn't necessary! His original post intentionally sounded innocent, but it is obvious to a lot of people that there is a devious agenda behind all of the posts he makes! When some people called him out on that, he seemed surprised and offended! Then HE was the one who was rude! You never were!

Little Phil had it right! Franky's post was an insult to every girl who has ever advertised on LVD, not to mention the owner of that site, who is also one of the sweetest girls in this town, but does have a remarkable sense of humor!

The "grapevine" indeed!

T.L.

Brian, you are so respectful, and always very sweet. I don't think anyone took your thoughts out of context. You are a class act!

Hugs,
JR

Don't you worry about a damn thing....it's all good.eom

-- Modified on 4/12/2008 12:58:59 PM

I often read your posts asking myself "why can't other people be rational and respectful like this guy." Out of everything that was said to me on my thread I was probably the least offend  by yours. You said everything you thought but respectfully. I honestly did not start that thread to create problems. Lord knows the boards has had enough lately. I really wanted to just get more info about what I had heard. I felt like most of the girls from LVDelight responded quite rudely, including Sara Prescott, Miss Logan, Tori, and Especially Nikki Avalon, The more I read Ms Avalon's posts the more I am begining to despise her. She is not only rude but I don't know how her neck supports her big head/ego.

Anyways biglvguy you are the man and I have nothing but respect for you. Your apology was not needed but appreciated

Although we've had a couple of disagreements on the board over the years, I think you're a great guy. I get you, because I know you personally. I have this problem myself, sometimes I don't translate well over the web. Being an ex-NYer, your sometimes confrontational style is probably innate.

Permit me to offer a sidebar to this...I'm pretty active on SF Redbook, in the AAMP section, because I will fly in a for weekend every now and then to play with the K-girls. They're pretty hot, the service levels are GFE+, and it's $200 for the hour. THAT forum is mostly a player's forum. You can tell who the players are and who the real clients over time. That experience has helped me a bit with LV Fever. On THAT board, it's equally clear who the players are (pretty much almost all of them), it's the same game that gets played on RB, except those guys really aren't as smooth about it.

I think I've pretty much solved what's going on between all these so-called "independents". Business must really be off, or there's a lot more info now than there used to be, and you can thank TER for that. The pool of guys who think they're supposed to pay $1000 and up for what's not really a whole lot more than outcall vagina rental (the Chinese used to take their Spring Mtn apt girls, who'd be Asian-only for $108 and have them do outcall for $600, with lesser service levels) has gotten smaller and smaller, partially because the economy sucks right now, partially because of TER and other boards.

It's 50-50 at best that Chloe, Liz and Vegas write their own ads. I'll just leave it at that.  



-- Modified on 4/12/2008 2:39:11 PM

1.) I don't have a "devious agenda"

2.) My original post "sounded innocent" because IT WAS INNOCENT.

3.) You are damn right I got offended when people talk shit and act like I have "devious agenda".

4.) If asking questions about a site insults the girls on that site EVERYONE HERE asking questions on this board is insulting a girl on a site somewhere. We are here to ask questions. AND GET ANSWERS NOT ATTACKS. You and lil phil should know that better than anyone if you are the "expert hobbiest here".

5.) If you had a questions about a website how would you ask it smart guy?

You don't know me or Vegas and you have never written a review of Chloe so I am guessing you have never seen her either. How dare you accuse me of writing fake reviews or fake ads or whatever you want to call it. You and your little friends attack us any chance you get for NO REASON. I had good reviews here every single one was good. Every single review everywhere else is still up and still positive yet you jerks start this bs every time you get a chance. Write about what you know and STFU about things you know nothing about!

XOXO
Liz

BELOW IS MY REAL PIC TOO! OR IS THAT FAKE TOO?! ASSHOLE!

TL,

What do you mean "Franky's post was an insult to every girl who has ever advertised on LVD, not to mention the owner of that site"

He was asking an honest question and did so very respectfully. And you have to gang up on him. I don;t see a devious agenda. Maybe you are guilty about something? There should be apologies issued from you buddy.

Didn't I just see the "sweetest girl" claim to have a pimp and threaten a guy on this board?

No grapevine needed here. Just a wad of cash and some questions...

Number 6, I find you very will informed and factual with your posts. Maybe its time to start booking the girls yourself and then letting us know what you think? Liz gave me one of the best escort experiences in LV (my opinion!) She had good review here.

Just so you know Number6 Liz replied to your rude comments about us, but the mods have not posted it yet. She posted it on another board too in case that happened. I will paste it here for you. Below is Liz's response to Number6.


******Below is a meesage I posted on TER. I think that they might not let it go up so I am posting it here too just in case.******

You don't know me or Vegas and you have never written a review of Chloe so I am guessing you have never seen her either. How dare you accuse me of writing fake reviews or fake ads or whatever you want to call it. You and your little friends attack us any chance you get for NO REASON. I had good reviews here every single one was good. Every single review everywhere else is still up and still positive yet you jerks start this bs every time you get a chance. Write about what you know and STFU about things you know nothing about!

XOXO
Liz
[email protected]
http://www.LasVegasEscortLiz.com

Read again what I wrote, please. Never said you weren't legit. I do think there's a good chance, actually better than good, that you're agency material. That's fine. At the end of the day, 75% of the professional girls in Vegas turn their dough over to some guy, and 15 of the other 25% are gay. It doesn't matter to me one way or another.

If the statement, "50-50 Liz and Vegas don't write their own ads" can put you on tilt, well, I rest my case. That is, of course, if it is you writing the ads.

The real $64000 question: you're delisted-how do you still have posting rights? There are only two possible answers, and I'm not going to discuss them here. Two barely legal indies just don't have that kind of clout to pull that one off without help or juice (no reviews, but allowed to post and advertise). It is a fair question, and is not about you but the situation. Capisce?  

Sweetheart, it's not my fault because of TER the pool of suckers from Deepest Iowa willing to pay $1500 for a 15 minute non-GFE covered half and half is shrinking rapidly. You gotta take that one up with David, not poor little old me.

This is like my second or third week in The Game. Can always use a pointer or two from an experienced pro like yourself .  

-- Modified on 4/14/2008 3:25:20 AM

Number6 you have a lot of nerve to say

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If the statement, "50-50 Liz and Vegas don't write their own ads" can put you on tilt, well, I rest my case.
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Why wouldn't we get mad about you saying we are a scam?

And the answer to your $64,000 question is our reviews never should have been deleted to begin with because they are as real as we are.

I thought girls got attacked once they have bad reviews for ripping people off and stuff. We have nothing but good things said about us everywhere.

And again number6 you have never seen me or Liz to be accusing us of anything. Please post a link to some evidence of where we scammed someone with upselling, or bait and switch, or fake reviews, or ANYTHING!!!!

Then you say

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$1500 for a 15 minute non-GFE covered half and half is shrinking rapidly.
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My rate is actually 500 for 1 full unrushed hour, but again you wouldn't know that because you have never seen me.

Big I am sorry for the drama on your thread you seem very nice and sincere, but this guy number6 has been attacking me and Liz for along time.

XOXO
Vegas
[email protected]

Never said you were a scam. It is doubtful you write your own ads and did your own website. How you and I define "legit" are probably different. But do me a favor and let's not have that discussion, I don't try to hurt anyone's business. there's no profit in it, especially when an agency is involved.

It's TER policy that if you're delisted and currently active as a provider, you're not allowed to post. AGAIN, I am discussing the policy, not you personally, but it is curious that you and Liz (and Liz, darling, can't you come up with a more sophisticated insult than the one you came up with on Fever?)get to post here. Dingus, POI?

That $1500 deal? That's agency, baby. From what I remember about your reviews before they got pulled here, they were all over the place. Not good.

FWIW, I find you Liz and Chloe, particularly Chloe, attractive. You should be doing great business here.

Anyway, your beef isn't with me, it's with TER Administration. Good luck, and peace.

-- Modified on 4/14/2008 4:08:56 AM

You said
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It is doubtful you write your own ads and did your own website.
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I do write my own ads! I did have help with my website. I wrote the text for it and someone else built it for me.


Then you said
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How you and I define "legit" are probably different.
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There is only one way to be legit to me and that is how I treat my clients 100% legit.


Then you said
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That $1500 deal? That's agency, baby. From what I remember about your reviews before they got pulled here, they were all over the place. Not good.
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Yes we still have reviews all over except for here. You have read the thread on the other board that talks about you and in that same thread it talks about what happened to our reviews, so WHY are you acting like it is a mystery? ESPECIALLY when you post things like this
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=3&SortBy=DateCreated%20desc&SearchType=1&Author=number%206&DayFrom=90&DayTo=0&MessageID=60344&frmSearch=1

You know EXACTLY why her reviews are down. she didn't want to take a trip to LA and shouldn't have to ASSHOLE. And on top of that I don't have 1500 rate. My rate is
500hr
900 for 2hrs
1300 for 3hrs
1700 for 4hrs
So I am not sure where you got $1500 for 15 minutes.


XOXO
Vegas
[email protected]


-- Modified on 4/14/2008 4:52:21 AM

Number 6 what is your beef with Liz and Vegas. I can understand your animosity towards Chloe - she has bad reviews here.

But Liz and Vegas had good reviews here and still do everywhere else. What gives??? They are real and a great experience. Why don't you pick on some of the fake ladies that occasionally sneak in here.

Why are you playing dumb? Number6 what happens if the girls refuse to go?

Nothing is free in this world. David and his partners didn't build TER out of charity.

Do you know how many freebies agency owners and madams and indies have tossed me over the years? I do settle for a VIP intro and rate, but won't take them, because I know what's associated with them and I don't get involved in that. I'm a client, not a pimp, and I prefer to keep it that way.

Now let's play the other side. You guys are all players, in a local market dominated by the wiseguys. Let's be honest about this. The only thing at the end of the day that anyone cares about here is the quality of the product. In this regard, the game has changed.

Let's say you're dealing E, which is the preferred industry of a number of local businessmen who are from a certain Middle East country. You going to give them the highest rated stuff, or are you going to give them a bunch of shit cut with baby laxative and who knows what else? I'll be blunt. The times have changed, the game has changed, and you're still back in the '80s. It's nobody's fault but you're own. Why don't y'all treat your customers like respected clients and not marks? You might like your bottom line better if you do.

Go read John Burdett's Bangkok Tattoo. The whole LV Agency deal is laid out early on, by page 50. It's 3-4 pages, and how these guys organized it is really impressive, but they're a dinosaur now.

Finally, there was a guy from Houston, he used to drink with Rick at CH2 all the time, who is a hardcore pimp. His girls danced when they weren't hoeing. We have the same tastes, and his taste is up there with Rick and Vinnie (impressive). Anyway, he tried to run his website off this board, and David was having none of that. There's a lesson to be learned there, I believe.

So then, I SHOULD be asking Liz & Vegas what happened to their reviews?

Because when I do, I get called a hater.  Do you guys drink your own kool-aid?

I am not throwing anyone freebies. NOT you or anyone else! If TER wants to remove my reviews because of that, then that is up to them but I am still not giving anyone freebies.

Who is Rick and Vinnie? Or John Burdett? What the hell are you talking about?

The questions was about you knowing about the "LA trips". And if you do know about them then why the hell are you giving me problems about my reviews when you know DAMN WELL what happened to my reviews.

You are a low life.

XOXO
Liz
702-448-6945
[email protected]

1.) I don't have a "devious agenda"

2.) My original post "sounded innocent" because IT WAS INNOCENT.

3.) You are damn right I got offended when people talk shit and act like I have "devious agenda".

4.) If asking questions about a site insults the girls on that site EVERYONE HERE asking questions on this board is insulting a girl on a site somewhere. We are here to ask questions. AND GET ANSWERS NOT ATTACKS. You and lil phil should know that better than anyone if you are the "expert hobbiest here".

5.) If you had a questions about a website how would you ask it smart guy?


1. Yes, you do!

2. No, it wasn't!

3. The truth hurts, doesn't it?

4. Give me a break! If I thought your question was honest and innocent, I would have posted a one word reply: "No!"

5. Five comes after four, right? First I would have read the reviews of some of the girls on that site and then I would have realized that the question didn't need to be asked!

T.L.

-- Modified on 4/15/2008 2:43:51 AM

Frankyboy stick up for himself! His posts make more sense than yours do!

"TL,

What do you mean "Franky's post was an insult to every girl who has ever advertised on LVD, not to mention the owner of that site""

If you need to have that explained to you, I'm afraid there is no hope for you!

"He was asking an honest question and did so very respectfully. And you have to gang up on him. I don;t see a devious agenda. Maybe you are guilty about something? There should be apologies issued from you buddy."

Respectfully, maybe, but honest? I'm not convinced.

Wow, how did I become a gang?

I'll make you a deal! If I ever see a review of one of the girls that you guys shill for that is reasonably good and is written by someone I trust, is not bait and switch, with no upselling, I will apologize! Good luck with that!

"Didn't I just see the "sweetest girl" claim to have a pimp and threaten a guy on this board?"

OMG, none of you guys has a sense of humor! She was making a JOKE! Get over yourselves!

"No grapevine needed here. Just a wad of cash and some questions..."

I have absolutely no response to this! Just a look of amazement and wonder on my face!

T.L.





-- Modified on 4/15/2008 9:28:40 AM

I generally see only Asian ladies in the US, with the occasional Latina when in SFL or LA. I'm not a retail player, either, but there are four porn stars on my "must see" list, and I'm inclined to pull the trigger on at least two of them, one because her ex boyfriend was a friend of mine and really pissed me off.

Since Liz has already weighed in on her opinion of me, it's doubtful I'll be spending any coin on her anyway.  

Thanks for the thought, and the love.