I've read quite a few reviews that speak of BBJ,CIM, etc... I cannot beleive that any responsible provider would be doing that.They would be putting themselves and their clients at risk.Is it real or are the reviewers full of bulls***?

sonny, back in my day, when the girls gave bj's they used the rubber from tire inner tubes as condoms.  Yessir, sonny, we had to just IMAGINE that we could feel anything.

and back in my day, the strip clubs were not allowed to have any lighting whatsoever.  No sir, you had to just IMAGINE that you could see nekkid wimmin.

and sonny, back in my day . . .

Yes isn't it interesting how many think an STD is only from intercourse and everything else is ok to risk ...........because it doesn't feel as good .

HMM wonder how long it will take to also go BBFS because it doesn't feel good ...........actually I hear some do that now too . How sad ;-(

Wonder what it will take for people to go back to the good old days when being safe , really meant being safe .
Another aids scare ? I new STD ?

What exactly changed from this century to the last one that now so many are willing to take greater risks  for extra pleasure and for an extra buck .

But not to worry still many who do care and don't take these risks and still have A LOT of fun !!!

Yes you can play safe and still enjoy .............I do it everyday . xoxo CindySpice

Actually there has not been one documented case of HIV being transmitted via oral sex.

K

Although the CDC did prove and write an article about it that aids can be transmitted via oral sex... not to mention herpes.... hrmmm

it is really hard to prove  actually how  the STD was transmitted . Most people who are having intercourse are also having oral sex . So how do you know how they actually got it ??

and BTW HIV isn't the only STD out there . Is there no worry about other std's but HIV ?? I wasn't referring to  HIV  only .

It is for each of us to decide for themself.

I have turned down BBFS on many occasions, but do everything else uncovered.

I have never had an STD in over 20 years of seeing escorts and 40 years of multiple sex partners.

Either I am just lucky or the odds of getting an STD orally are overrated.

In my opinion, the odds are overrated by a society that is overly Puritanical.

Just my opinion.

I know many people who are in the medical field and a three friends who are doctors and asked them what the odds of catching something through unprotected oral sex was and all said maybe about 1% for women going down on men and how effective are condoms, at stopping STD's, about the same. Now that being said, the odds of a guy catching it going down on a woman are bit higher they said...AND CONDOMS WILL NOT STOP HERPES OR WARTS!!! Just wanted to let you know that, many people still get those two things around the base of the penis and they are usually visable.

Your highest risk is unprotected anal sex (and even protected because condoms do break more than you think) and sharing needles during IV drug use.

B-Pop

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Cindy,
I am in agreement with you on the BBFS issue. However, the decision to provide CBJ’s or BBBJ is a matter of personal choice and I, as well as many others on this board, don’t share your opinion of it being a high risk activity. In fact, some may take offense or feel personally insulted when you imply that they are irresponsible and don’t care.

When I first got into this business a couple of years ago, I wasn’t sure about the risk, (I had been told by several people that HIV could be transmitted through uncovered oral) so I decided to be on the safe side and opted for CBJ. It didn’t take me long to develop a deep dislike for the taste of rubber
I was also bothered by the lack of intimacy and concerned about the dulling of pleasure for my clients.
I decided to research this subject extensively and after wading through a sea of parroted misinformation, half-truths and conflicting conjecture my conclusion was that BBBJ was not a high risk activity. In fact CBJ is a far greater risk to your health since condoms are laced with toxic chemicals not meant for ingestion such as Talc, Silicone (both are known carcinogens) and Benzene , a highly toxic substance that causes Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, immune suppressing disorders, Nerve degeneration, bone marrow damage, leukemia, Hodgkin’s disease etc.
For more info check out: http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/sblubejob.htm

Furthermore, there is no evidence of HIV transmission through oral/genital contact. It is only a theoretical possibility and the studies supporting it are flawed and prove nothing. However, the arguments and evidence against it are far more conclusive.

As for the other STD’s: There is a vaccine for Hep B, Herpes is easy to detect and although Chlamydia, Gonneria and Syphilis throat infections are possible, they are not likely if the immune system is healthy at the time of exposure and are easily cured with antibiotics.

Due to this small risk, it’s our responsibility as responsible providers to get full exam (including the throat) on a monthly basis.


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I agree with you Nikki.  I know you take your job and health most seriously. And are very well read. Also, having spoken with alot of high volume providers that do BBBJ. Using common sense, not one of them has contracted anything thru this practice. I think the probability is extremely low. Of course, if someone feels there is any risk, they should choose whatever they think is best!

You must be a big boy B-pop A bad fit is the most common reason for condom breakage as well as slippage.
Air pockets are another cause, but they can easily be avoided if your partner applies the condom with her mouth instead of her hands.
Lubrication is another major factor, particularly while visiting Greece.
Last but not least, CBJ's put unintended stress on condoms which weaken and/or cause tiny perforations (particularly if it's a toothy bj) a new condom should always be used for the main event.

Nikki ,

I didn't mean that BBBJ is a HIGH risk activity . It is a risk , even small but still a risk .


Of course the decision to provide these things is a personal choice .
Just as when you drive your car you have a chance to be in a car accident . But wearing a seat belt will reduce your risk of getting killed or seriously injured . But some people chose not to wear the seat belt ............. it is their own personal choice .


I don't think any less of any person because of what decisions they make .It is their life , their problem , not mine.
I didn't talk about being irresponsible ( the original poster did ) I was talking about how things changed ,why should they change ? because nothing has changed as far as STD's . Are these risks worth extra pleasure or money   and that not everyone takes those risks .


I know many ladies who complain that they don't really want to do BBBJ or BBBJCIM , but they feel they have to , because others do it . Well I think that is really sad ;-(


When a guys wants to do things BB and his reason is ...........well it doesn't feel good with a condom , well yes then it does seem like he doesn't care . Is the minute of pleasure really worth all the worries ??


Do I need to feel insulted because he thinks like that ? ? No I don't . So no one needs to feel insulted about how I think or feel about this issue.


Let me remind folks here how before the 70's there was no  Aids . Then one day they discovered this new STD called Aids.  Every one was freaking out . More started to use condoms .
Well who is to know , maybe someday in future a new STD will break out ..........but then it is too late .......... like it was too late for those who already had Aids .


I just think it isn't worth it . That is my opinion . Like you have your opinion  and I don't think less of you because of your opinion or your  choices .


I don't know what type of condoms you use , but the ones I use for BJ's don't have toxic chemicals or anything else that can cause damage to my body

All the best , xoxo CindySpice

When you know what your doing , condoms don't break .

As Nikki stated  there are reasons a condom can break , and many ways to make sure a condom doesn't break.


Also when having intercourse for a while it is wise to stop and change the condom . After "pumping" away for awhile  the condom starts to wear down . if you change it , it won't break .

I never had a problem of a condom breaking on me .

Even when I gotta finish him off by hand, I still keep that weasel wrapped, who knows what kind of cooties he's got in there!

Of course I always use industrial strength condoms made of Kevlar, it makes their dicks so numb, I always gotta finish them off by hand. Besides, one less mess to clean up afterwards!

Show me a BBBJ provider and I'll show you a disease addled skankorama ho!

For citing a quackpot study.

If you are going to give us some facts, please try to do better than "virusmyth.net"

Time out.  That is so untrue.  I've seen ladies who cbj and who bbbj, none of which are what you call them would apply.

Only those people ashamed of what they wrote,  need to use an alias to hide behind.....

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Herpes B is "easy" to spot?  Nope...  In fact almost 30% of people who have it never manifest the usual visual symptoms of warts, lesions etc.  The only way to know is a blood test.  In the UK there is a home test for it that detects a protein left over when the virus replicates.  It isn't available in the US yet.

A hobbyist contracting Herpes B from a provider is a real possibility.  The virus lives in saliva, the vaginal wall, mucuos membranes and other bodily secretions including perspiration.  A hobbyist doesn't need a skin break on his penis to contract it from oral sex.  It can penetrate the mephis (top of urinary tract) and travel from there.  Even DFK is possible way to transmit Herpes. Contracting it from vaginal secretions that may contact the base of a covered penis during intercourse is not a risk unless there is a skin break there.

skankorama ho? You must have learned that word in charm school.
You chose a fitting alias to hide behind...Jealous CBJ Provider

I think it's great that you've found a brand of condoms with no toxic chemicals. What kind do you use Cindy?

Well, I guess that kind of stirred the pot! I know that when I am lucky enough to get to Las Vegas and have a session with a provider that I prefer to use a condom for everyones protection. To be honest I've never had a provider who didn't want to use a condom. Better to be safe than sorry. Even with a little rubber in the way I still get what I CAME for.

slowslowslow,
Shame on YOU for being too slow to understand that the link I cited was for information about the toxicity of Benzene and the fact that condoms are laced with it. I didn't cite virusmyth.net nor did I support their study. The same article is at: http://www.sumeria.net/aids/lubejob.html and here's a toxicology report: http://hazard.com/msds/tox/tf/q20/q309.html

An intelligent retort involving the issue at hand would be a more appropriate response than your previous attempt at being condescending.

That may be correct...but it's a monkey disease and monkey saliva, tissues, or tissue fluids are the most commonly reported route of transmission. In fact, there has only been ONE case of person-to-person transmission.

Thank you for the information, but you needn't be concerned on my behalf since I only provide BBBJ's to members of my species.

Why are you so concerned?

Herpes Simplex B is a monkey disease?  Nope.  You may know it as Herpes Simplex 2 or HSV-2(which is the lay term).  There are 2 types of Herpes, Simplex A(HSV-1) and Simplex B(HSV-2).  Both are human diseases.  Simplex A is the common cold sore it is found in almost everyone and usually is asymptomatic.  Simplex B is an STD found in an estimated 20 million people in the US/Europe.  It the most common STD today.  Various viral control regime like Valtrex are available to suppress the symptoms eg warts, lesions in the groin area.  However. Simplex B can be found in the mouth and other mucuos membranes as well.  Oral sex and kissing are both viable transport modalities.

the main reason i go to las vegas is for the bbbjtcim.  hip hip horay for nikki!!!!

Cindy, will you please tell me which use? I haven't been able to find any without toxic chemicals.
Thank you in advance.

As a physician I am not concerned about BBBj and stds. In my 30 years as a doctor in family medicine, I have never seen stds passed in this way.Herpes is the most potentialy likely, but my reading of the medical literature says it is very rare.

Jealous CBJ Provider,
I'm not a stupid woman. If you doubt that, you can find out my IQ from the link below. I'd like to advise you not to engage yourself in a battle of wits with me again because judging from your limited vocabulary, name calling and trailer trash alter ego you are completely unarmed.

Gentlemen dislike having Mr. Happy or Junior referred to as a cooties-filled weasel, so you'd better hope that your true identity isn't as obvious to them as it is to me.

You share the same opinion with every other doctor that I've discussed this issue with too.

Durex Colors and Scents . ( Yummy they taste very good )  If you are allergic to natural rubber latex products ( which personally I am not ) you can use Durex Avanti.

Hope this helps , xoxo  CindySpice

And BTW there are toxic chemicals in many things ........even in the air we breath .
If someone smokes a cigarette next to you it is danger to your health . I can list things we eat and drink that are danger to health .Some things you just can't avoid . But some you can .

Exactly a reason why aliases should not be allowed . So trash like this can not be posted .

We don't all have to agree on things,  but no need for low class , mouth trashing words .

If you can't be women ( or man ) enough to say who you are and stand beside your words .............then say nothing at all !!!

I am  surprised TER allowed such a post ........but yet MY  posts have to go through approval of moderator .

Coming to Vegas in June. I now know to call Nikki.Nikki I am looking forward to it. Thanks for the info.

Wow Nikki, What an amazing post, I must admit while I find you very pretty and sexy already, you have just flown up to near the top of my must see list...because if there is one thing I find even sexier than a good looking woman, it's a good looking smart woman

B-Pop

PS I don't how big I am but I know one thing I don't mind a toothy BJ at all