An interesting discussion popped up off subject a few threads back regarding variable rates for different cities. The crux of opinion being that, this being a capitalist nation, one charges what the market will bear. While New York or San Francisco may respect one price, Bowlegs Oklahoma demands an adjustment if a lady’s inclined to tour there.

I know that bringing up this issue opens a sensitive subject for some, but I’d suggest that there’s reason for a gal to consider pricing differently for locals. For one thing, Las Vegas is not much better off than Bowlegs, Okla., and not looking upward anytime soon. Yes – There’s a lot of money flowing on the Strip, but it isn’t our money: That tourist money is coming from out of town, and going right back out in the form of corporate profits. Nevada doesn’t pay a lifestyle premium like the Bay Area, Chicago or New York.

Face it, folks: The local’s market is viable, but not with a tourist trade model. As a local, I can see any show in town at about half price, walk into most any strip club with a smile and a wave of my ID, or buy monorail tickets for a fraction of the published rates. Is it because locals are such great people, and Las Vegas wants to give us a break? Hell no. It’s because these businesses know that they won’t get my business if they try to charge me gouge-the-tourist rates, and a little profit is better than none.

I submit that there’s a heck of a market for the gals willing to recognize the two economic worlds in Las Vegas. Some already do offer locals rates, and I don’t see it hurting their business – more like the opposite.

Ladies, if you live here, you’ve already got the advantage of a low cost of living in S. Nevada (and many of you offer locals rates, too, for which I thank you). If you’re just visiting Vegas, and touring, then you got here via some of the lowest airfare rates in the nation thanks to tourism subsidies, incredible dining at fast food prices, and your 4 star Strip hotel cost less than a night in the Bakersfield Doubletree. So why am I paying $100 more for an hour with you than the guy who lives in Tulsa and probably makes the same pitiful income I do?

I’m not in Vegas for the week to blow a year’s worth of savings and half my kid’s college fund. I live here – and my employer pays me less than it does its Home Office smurfs, because I live in Las Vegas, and so they can.

Come-on baby. Check my ID and give me a break. I’m dyin’ here…


Lusted and busted,

AS

I am curious to see the responses from your well thought out post. Your business model seems to make sense to me.  Hopefully you do not get attacked to much.  Hopefully a great discussion follows.

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low cost of living where?? I pay the same rent if not more than in most cities...have you checked out the price of condos or rent  in the towers(panorama, etc).

Just look.  At least one local LV lady charges local guys and visiting guys differently.  Many many providers charge different prices depending upon the locale.  Makes sense.

It doesn't bother me that providers charge more here than everywhere else. Honestly, I never even think about it. The only question I ever ask myself is, is the price tag worth it to me?

I do wonder sometimes what percentage of their business comes from locals. I would guess for most it is a very low percentage, so I can understand why they wouldn't give a shit about attracting locals. I might be wrong.

You've obviously never lived in premium cities like Boston, Palo Alto or, for that matter, London, Paris, etc. Personal experience has taught me that moving to Las Vegas trims a minimum $1K to $2K/month off professional MBA,BS,BE wages, unless you're a valet at Wynn. Those cities pay more because it costs more, from homes to hookers. And yes - condos and tower flats are a comparative bargain here, if you earn a Chicago income.

Though I love it Las Vegas and will never leave, I whine that I didn't discover the hobby until I'd moved to a town where everything's consistent except the cost of a beautiful woman.

It levels out everywhere but here..

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we spend more to advertise here than most other cities.  New York, Los Angeles and LV are often about 3 times the cost of advertising elsewhere.  Then there's personal maintenance (hair, nails, etc...), photo shoots and health care which are often more expensive here than in some places. The ranches affect the market price and the type of business itself.  This is an outcall town where as most places are mainly incall.  Then consider the hours we're expected to be available and that they are way out of line with the overall business itself .  In other words, you would be hard pressed to find a real good provider to visit you after midnight in most places and for those that have to arrange sitters for their kids - that can be really expensive.  Las Vegas is different in many respects and the cost of doing business is not driven by what the average person making a living here earns.

Additionally, you have approached this question in a very reasonable way and that's appreciated.  In fact, kudos to you. If I may have a little wiggle room to address the folks who are posting on some girl's threads "you are too much for this economy, you should discount..." and the like.   PHOOEY!!!  While I can't blame anyone for watching their wallet or looking for a bargain beauty:  hobbying is a nicety, not a necessity.  We aren't taking food out of anyone's mouth or the roof from over their head.  We aren't publicly held companies answering to stock holders.  If someone is stealing condiment packages from the food section at Target and eating government cheese - they shouldn't be hobbying.  AKA if theirs actual Hienz catsup in your fridge and you're hobbying - get over yourself and stop badgering folks when they are just  trying to list their ad.  

whew, thanks for that.  Erica

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Dear Alan,

I understand your perspective.  Thank you for posting your ideas in such a positive and thoughtful way.  

I am one of many ladies who has a tiered donation schedule.  If you look at the bottom of the donation page on my website, you will see that I have two donation schedules.  http://sitekreator.com/SarahNicole/donations.html  The special donation schedule is for my 'Premier Clients' (those who see me 4 or more times per year).  

I highly recommend rewarding the gentlemen who visit often.  This can be done in a number of ways (lower rates, extra time, gifts, extras...).

Now, in Vegas I'm guessing that some days of the week are much better than others.  If I lived in Vegas, I would offer very special rates on the predictably slow days (perhaps Mondays and Tuesdays).  Hopefully this would appeal to the local gentlemen.  

Also, where I live there are review boards that cater to the local gents.  I'm guessing that Vegas has such a board.  Ladies often offer specials to those who read the local board and the gents must tell her when scheduling that they want the local board special.

I wish you luck in your quest for affordable companionship!


Happy Hobbying,
Sarah Nicole
[email protected]
Visiting Las Vegas February 26th through March 2nd.

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this is a subject that has been discussed many time in Las Vegas. Very much of what you stated is very true. However don’t look for any changes to come anytime soon. I’ve been waiting for years. Lol

One thing that does bother me and it was stated again for the 3rd or 4th time in the last few days, and that is the premise that the Ranches set the price point here in Las Vegas. There are many points to argue on that rumor to whoever started it, but it is just plain BS.

You will see and read many, many, things in the responses you will garner on this thread and none of them will have a single thing to do with the Ranches. By continuing that line of thinking you are setting another sideline price point to justify along with the real reasons, tourism, tourism and more tourism. Where else can you get away from home, blow all kinds of money on whatever, and play the fool for fun that you cannot do at home. As they say…”Only In Vegas”.

Oh and while I'm at it, may I suggest that something that applies to rates here is, yes it is Vegas, but tourists here stand Ladies up left and right with no shows. I call that a passed-on overhead expense. Guys have so many attractions, here and things to do and to play, acting the fool with their friends they forget that 9pm appointment with Suzie.

I've noticed the top posters ain't touchin' this touchy subject with a ten foot pole, so I don't know why I am!

I read A.S.'s post to not only suggest different pricing as between cities, but also different pricing for locals.  First, I think anyone can charge whatever she wants and, second, she may not want to publish a discount for locals even if one is offered.

As a LV local, I think if you always treat someone with 110% respect, are always freshly showered, always have clean breath that doesn't smell like a barroom floor, don't great a girl by sticking your tongue down her throat or groping her (unless she starts it! LOL!), never ask for a discount, and are always a complete gentleman who does everything to make the experience pleasant, then you may find that you get what you give.  Some women do offer local regulars "extras," whether that be in the form of a discount, or time off the clock, or upgraded services.  But even if they do, they shouldn't have to make that known up front.

I was offered a $50 discount and didn't take advantage of it because I thought her rate was more than fair to start.  That was apparently appreciated, as now I believe we've become friends and see each other for dinner, off the clock.

I know a handful do publish a discount for locals, and we all appreciate that.  But I don't think it's fair to ask for that.

Just my 3 cents (1 cent tip included).

....sorta puts a new meaning to the "come" line, eh?  ONLY in Vegas.  Thank goodness, some gals are late!!  LOL

Yeah, some of us cheap bastards come out when the rates are cheap Sun-Thurs so we have money to spend elsewhere.

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....,I imagine, Ashley might have offered (and, maybe did) an excellent exchange to a familiar and enjoyable local Hobbiest jumping on the opportunity to quickly schedule in fill for the client she had to abort.  Similar to what Sarah suggests, there are slower times, and most Providers, I know, do offer special concessions for regular, repeat, comfortable Clients.  That can create a base income that good professional Providers have certainly earned.  Usually done on a one to one basis.
    But, Alan, to possibly better address your topic, once one of these lovlies, we lust after, posts or advertises a special...she will have to accept the fact that guys will expect that rate, or at least bring it up for a good while.  If that's acceptable to her..... good for us.  But, I'll suggest that most of these discounts are offered in private.  And, as always YMMV.

    Actually, Alan, one of the Providers you've seen is currently offering a tremendous value, and others may, as well, for economic or personal reasons.

    Personally, I'll take advantage of a special, or enthusiastic personal offering, but have never and won't negoiate a rate.  When I see Providers I want their full level of attention, energy and fun w/o posibly insulting these woman who take so many chances for us.


   I'm trying to earn so points here with the women, did I do any good?    LOL

 
    Oh, to be a wealthy man!

I'm not bargaining. The gals I've seen know I don't do that, but I have been on top of specials published by any the ladies that I like.

My notion is not that anyone reduce rates, but that they expand their client base. If it doesn't work for you, that's cool. Then most of us locals are just cut out, and your client focus is visitors. I understand.

I'm discussing an optional business model, not an attack on anyone's livelihood. Many gals already do this, as mentioned by the lovely Kate Spinner, and so it's not an entirely shocking subject out of left field. Personal attacks about stealing food notwithstanding, I'm tired of the level of sensitivity of the subject of overall pricing, but that's a different issue.

Our living or working expenses have NOT gone down and are suffering no-shows and the like as we always do. Maybe more.  Our customer pool is constantly shrinking with every canceled convention, canceled reservation and less wages in the local economy. Some have felt the need to increase advertising budgets as a result of fewer inquiries and are having to forgo "fun" activities as much as anyone.  We are going thru our own belt tightening as well.

Fair enough and well said.

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not getting too sensitive?
That paragraph was prefaced in a way that could not be, IMO, construed as a personal attack and was not about stealing food either.  Come on, it's a discussion board and I vented my opinion about another aspect of the same topic.  I don't know you AS and haven't often been too active on the boards to even remember one other post of yours.  It is what it is, a subject, some participation on topic, please don't take it personally.

I have had no doubt since my second trip to Vegas that there most definitely is a two tier system. It is prevalent in every aspect of being in Vegas. From the minute I stepped off the plane, I realized that as an outsider I was fair game for everyone. From the cab driver to the guy who shined my shoes and everyone else in between. Including most but not all of the women I have dealt with. I know that I am treated different than a local. Most people in Vegas see us tourists as one shot deals and treat us accordingly. I wont comment as to what I think is expensive or cheap, perceived value is something that is highly subjective. Nor would I begrudge anyone the right to make a living. It's just I don't like being treated like some kind of mark.

While there is no doubt that some of the most beautiful women in the world are a phone call away, I usually pass on hobbying when I'm in town because there are so many women at home who know that if they treat me well and fairly, I will be back to see them again and again and again.

...had asked the questions and stated it as good as Alan did, instead I asked/tried to discuss  it on a providers previous thread.  I didn't realize that I should have started a new post or sent her an email or private message.  I apologize to that provider.  

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Oops! Erica's right too.  In reply to Alan's response to mine, I probably should have observed I hadn't seen any personal attacks, like Erica stated.

That's my best effort at mediation.  I'm now carefully backing out of this room.  LOL!

As another outsider, it would seem to me a law of economics applies. "Prices will only go to what the market will bear". I would guess the only reason other cities do not have the quality and quantity of beautiful excellent providers as Las Vegas is the populace will not pay for having the number of high quality providers. Face it, the tourism and influx of outsiders is what provides the locals with the number of quality providers to pick from.

For what it's worth (nothing), I never took your earlier post in Monique's thread as being malicious.  I took it as a sincere question, albeit, as you say, perhaps better started as a new thread.

On a positive note, at Meet and Greets, everyone I've met is a regular, friendly and solid person (even with alcohol involved!  LOL!).  I don't quite understand how, here, one can't always respectfully disagree (or even sometimes even ask a question) without being perceived as disagreeable.  (Must be something to do with the printed word---I think there are studies on that about e-mail: one has to be careful in how things are phrased when there is no eye contact or other physical cues).

I live in Manhattan and Vegas and I pay the same rent(yes I live in one of the towers) and executives get pay the same, it does not matter where the company is. BTW the cab rides here are the most expensive in the country...with the same amount I go few blocks here I go from north to south in Manhattan.

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yes, in fact you seem to have misunderstood the post altogether. It is a self indulgent rant that speaks specifically to the BEHAVIOR of some folks who find it necessary to post on a provider's "ad" thread that she's too expensive or has to discount or whatever.  I find that BEHAVIOR degrading.  And I bold behavior as I don't feel the poster is necessarily an S.O.B. or is trying to be malicious but is out of line.  I haven't called anyone out on those threads as, again, I don't intend to attack anyone personally and feel it would only serve to further degrade that provider's thread.

Other folks have opinions AS that might rub you the wrong way or are presented in a way that doesn't agree with you.  But I would offer that you might be being a little too sensitive yourself - who's to say.  having posted something you want to discuss on a TER discussion board and putting it out there means others may post - no one can control everything you start.  I have an inkling you're a sweetheart, heard that from more than one provider recently and lauded you for your approach to this subject.  I never meant to piss you off.  But other's have things they want to say and opinions they want to share.  And if it's in the form of a little self indulgent rant, so be it as long as I am respecting folks.  It was NOT directed at you and did not point to you  And yes, the people who post that on provider's ad thread should find a more constructive way such as you did.  I have no problem with telling them in this way to get over themselves.  Don't really understand why you should have a problem with it either.

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Yay!  I now pronounce you man and wife!  I think make-up sex is now in order after your first fight!

(Please, I'm kidding.  It's my weird sense of humor!!!)  I'll now really get out of here!

As I misread your post. I try very hard to avlod being disagreeable with the gals but, having had been married WAY past the life of the relationship, I still tend to knee-jerk auto responses when I think I'm on the wrong end of a flippant remark, LOL.

I guess I am too sensitive, sweetheart - I get that way when I'm horny....

Although I live 304 miles away, I visit LV often. Love the TER ladies and am treated with respect by the bar tenders and other staff that I visit often.  I don't feel like a tourist.  If you traet someone with respect and kindness, they will return it multiple times.

cabs do not charge different rates if you are a visitor...