Thanks to the several folks that have responded to my complaint regarding TER. I am even more concerned that TER has no defense for this policy that can only serve to protect the dishonest.
Several respondants have claimed that TER utilizes this policy to protect the ladies against false reports because they can't be verified. This is 100% failed logic.
The only defense against false reports (whether falsely positive or falsely negative) are a body of evidence that weights against the false claim. The only way to build that evidence is by an accumulation of reviews to the contrary of the false report. If these reviews are disallowed only false reports will stand.
As for the claim that the reviews are not verifiable how about this review.
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/showReview.asp?Review=525666&user=339508
The only difference between that review and mine is that a HJ was claimed in this review. I could have lied and stated a HJ was performed and gotten the review through. Would the upsell girl claim that my review was a lie and that she was paid without performance and gotten the review pulled. How would she verify that? That is illogical! What if I filed a false review and claimed that the upsell girl was a TS? But I went ahead with all activities. Would she complain that she wasnt a TS and no activities occured so the review should be pulled? What if I simply said she had leg and arm hair sixteen inches in length? Would that review stand unless she contested and said that no activities occured?
You see, the only defense against liars is truth, not silence. Silence is never the truth.
You are correct that the "no bad review policy" presents a terrible barrier to entry for new providers. If I, as a client, feel confident that TER does all that it can to weed out the rip-offs and bad eggs then I will occasionally take a chance that a non-reviewed girl is simply new. However, if I know that there is no weeding out of ripoffs then I know that the "non-reviewed girl" is much much much more likely to be a ripoff that simply has no positive reviews and thus no reviews.
TERs policy is harmful to clients, to new talent and provides no "protection against false claims" for anyone.
To quote Churchill, "Truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but, in the end, there it is." No one should hide from the truth unless they are up to no good.
OK, I have been trying to get TER to publish my review of the ripoff that I discussed earlier.
TER has refused with this response.
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It is TER's policy to not allow reviews on no-shows or incomplete transactions because it is too difficult to verify this occurred.
Thank you for the support,
--TER Support Staff
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I believe that others have attempted to post reviews of this upsell lady but because of TER's policy I am out large bucks.
You guys obviously love TER and I had put my faith in the site but I now believe that I am a victim of not only the lady in question but TER.
I thought that TER was in place to protect the good guys and the good girls but this policy can only protect the ripoffs.
I am so disappointed that I think that I will just stay out of Las Vegas and use local boards in other cities that I know put the honest people(boys or girls)first. If you can't trust the review site then I don't know who to trust.
I just don't understand and am terribly, terribly disappointed.
One of the good guys (leeandash)
understand the policy. TER can't verify it and if they did let reviews go like that, girls and guys would be posting hate reviews all the time that weren't true.
Just yesterday I saw a girl in chat slamming another provider that she has never met just out of what I think is jealousy. I have no doubt that she would try to pull something like that. So, unfortunately for the good guys, you aren't always informed the way you might like to be.
You did take a big risk going to see that girl though, so don't give up on Las Vegas.
Not a good guy (lv²daty) lol
Just kidding, But do you recall coming on this board as an alias? Then when you came back with your true TER handle you got some help in Feb. this year.
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=33196&boardID=3&page=
Then in April of this year you were sooooo happy with the ladies of TER and Vegas. In fact of your 9 reviews 4 of them are fine Vegas ladies to which you rated very high. All your experiences with TER so far (the 9 anyway) have great reviews.
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=36699&boardID=3&page=
Now you posted early on the 5th to tell us about a terrible experience with a lady called Heather, not mentioned in this post here today.
http://www.eros-lasvegas.com/files/lv-annamarie1-heather1.htm
You post on the 5th got some attention from me and Cindy Spice. You in fact agreed that Cindy's explanation pretty much had you pegged. But you are really unhappy now because of this Heather.
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=39917&boardID=3&page=
In stead of complaining about Vegas girls in a general way or putting down TER, which has served you quite well by your own evidence of reviews and such, maybe it is time to look at how you handle things in general. Tripping off and coming back here looking for answers again will not likely get a lot of sympathy.
Now to your direct problem with TER. It sounds exactly like you ran into a bad egg of a girl, but none of us here actually know what exactly happen. You were going to save it for the review. The review is not posted for reasons understood. You had no action to review. She no showed or something. Those are the rules. However, there is nothing at all preventing you from explaining for all to hear how you felt you got ripped off by someone, that you are not able to write a review of. This is what discussion boards are for. Personally, I don't need to hear anymore, cause Heather is certainly in the no pic box. (no pun) lol Think about it.
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Good old Smarty back again with his two cents worth. You dont even know how much I despise you, what makes you so PERFECT around here.
Nobody ever made a claim of perfection and not even close.
Perhaps your best bet, is if you see my name on a post, just skip over it. Why let it get to you.
If you insist on reading it, then say how much you dispise me with an alias, then the other advise is piss-up-a-rope. Thank you.
Dear Smarty,
You just proved my point, You are very arrogant, you don't even know it, but your also dumb, You know very well who I am, if you can't figure that out, then maybe you should change your screename.
I know I've read reviews here where the guy has sent the girl packing immediately after getting the upsell treatment. Those are "incomplete transactions" I would think. Reviews of those occurrences are valuable for the permanent record and at least *sometimes* allowed.
I am confused Smarty. Are you referring to me? I don't even know how to create an alias and I have nothing to do with any posting or reviews other than those labelled as "leeandash". I don't know what you are confused about but I would like for you to acknowledge that leeandash is my only handle. My silly response in your first link was simply because I wanted an answer to the question that Sparky had asked and your reply was not helpful so I asked the question as the non-alias that I am and have always been.
Now, I am not upset with the ladies of Las Vegas. I want to make that very clear and I apologize that my previous message leads to that conclusion. There are wonderful ladies there that I have met and many others that I would like to meet but I can not trust TER and will have to research ladies via a more trustworthy board. This is the first experience in the hobby that would qualify as anything less that great and my previous reviews prove that. The problem is that I am now aware that TER is purposefully protecting at least one upsell lady. I know that I am not the only one that TER has treated this way and I feel that TER is directly responsible for my poor investment by protecting this lady and others like her. I have heard from another party that TER has refused to post a review that would have saved me from my disgraceful experience. Yes, I did see a lady with no reviews but I did search for reviews of her. If the other review had been posted then I would NOT have had the unfortunate and very preventable date. So yes, I would love to see Las Vegas gals but I can no longer trust TER. I would have no complaint and totally take all responsibility for my poor decision if I believed that TER policies were designed to prevent these types of negative results. In fact, prior to finding out about these policies and the previously rejected review I did accept all responsibility (see my response to Cindy Spice).
Why does TER protect these type of people? A lot of great guys and girls utilize TER but after learning about TERs policy I have come to the conclusion that the site itself does not put the best interests of the good and honest clients and gals above those of the cheats and jerks. It is non-sensical to allow a dishonest review that says a lady smells like trout but prevent an honest review of a lady that upsells because it "can't be proven". Believe me, I would not be this concerned if all that I was out was waiting for a no-show.
Finally, I need no sympathy, I am a brutally honest person with myself and with others. Your opinion of me means nothing in my life and I would assume the reverse is true for you. I attempt to be a good and honest person because that is the way that I define myself not to gain favor. My only purpose in this posting is to inform the guys and girls that utilize TER that the site is not designed to protect the innocent. Obviously TER has a business model that works for the site owner but I wholly disagree with the position of protecting the guilty.
Smarty, you say that you will not see Heather but the next poor guy that can find no other reviewed lady available will do as I did. He will do a search for Heather after finding her ad on EROS and find no entries on TER. Then he will be free to make the same mistake that I made. Just as I made this mistake because TER protects these type of people and prevented earlier reviews from being posted.
This is too long and no one is going to read my whining. (I know that I wouldn't). But I find it interesting that TER has allowed some negative reviews but not this one. I can not understand why TER would want to protect the guilty. If anyone wants to see my review you can PM me and judge for yourself.
I happen to believe it is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. What is still missing here is for you to take your vent and turn it into something productive.
Tell eveyone here what happen. This is the place for it, especially if a review is not going to be allowed by TER. TER does have it's glitches, but has worked for me and has also worked for you in the past.
You can bet that at minimum of someone were to come on here for ISO/411 on Heather they would be provided a link to your discussions here. That would be a warning of sorts, but all we can really do. We still don't know what happen after all this. Better luck next time.
Certainly it's reasonable to be frustrated. You had a bad experience and can't even get the message to others so that it's not repeated. I don't think anyone here would disagree that it's a bad thing. The flipside is that the ladies that are honest need to be protected from some jackass, jealous boyfriend, or malicious person who wants to ruin their business. We use the information here to help decide the good from the bad, and that makes data integrity crucial. The tricky part is that TER isn't in the room during the date, so they're taking people at their word. They have a process, and I only know a tiny bit of what it entails, but I don't think that they're trying to unfairly protect bad providers. Like any human interaction, I'm certain that favorites exist, but the business model doesn't work if all the guys (read paying members) go away.
Lee,
You said you can't understand why TER would protect the guilty. I can't, either. But I can see their perspective.
If there's no climax to the review (pun intended) it's hard to verify. So rather than take the chance that they're killing someone's business unfairly, they'd rather leave it as an unknown. That makes sense to me.
This raises the question of how a girl gets started on TER. If she has no reviews I assume it's pretty hard to get TER business. I'm relatively new to the independent hobby (a veteran of brothels), and I won't see a girl who doesn't have at least a few reviews. And I check the reviewers. A girl with three reviews from reviewers with only one review each won't get my attention. Just not worth the potential hassle when there are so many fine, fun and reputable girls out there.
Any thoughts out there from the providers on how to get started with TER?
Thanks to the several folks that have responded to my complaint regarding TER. I am even more concerned that TER has no defense for this policy that can only serve to protect the dishonest.
Several respondants have claimed that TER utilizes this policy to protect the ladies against false reports because they can't be verified. This is 100% failed logic.
The only defense against false reports (whether falsely positive or falsely negative) are a body of evidence that weights against the false claim. The only way to build that evidence is by an accumulation of reviews to the contrary of the false report. If these reviews are disallowed only false reports will stand.
As for the claim that the reviews are not verifiable how about this review.
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/showReview.asp?Review=525666&user=339508
The only difference between that review and mine is that a HJ was claimed in this review. I could have lied and stated a HJ was performed and gotten the review through. Would the upsell girl claim that my review was a lie and that she was paid without performance and gotten the review pulled. How would she verify that? That is illogical! What if I filed a false review and claimed that the upsell girl was a TS? But I went ahead with all activities. Would she complain that she wasnt a TS and no activities occured so the review should be pulled? What if I simply said she had leg and arm hair sixteen inches in length? Would that review stand unless she contested and said that no activities occured?
You see, the only defense against liars is truth, not silence. Silence is never the truth.
You are correct that the "no bad review policy" presents a terrible barrier to entry for new providers. If I, as a client, feel confident that TER does all that it can to weed out the rip-offs and bad eggs then I will occasionally take a chance that a non-reviewed girl is simply new. However, if I know that there is no weeding out of ripoffs then I know that the "non-reviewed girl" is much much much more likely to be a ripoff that simply has no positive reviews and thus no reviews.
TERs policy is harmful to clients, to new talent and provides no "protection against false claims" for anyone.
To quote Churchill, "Truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but, in the end, there it is." No one should hide from the truth unless they are up to no good.