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Ol_Desperado 59 Reviews 928 reads
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In your OP you state this occurred several years ago.  Yet, as evidenced by your review log, you've seen numerous ladies since then.  In fact on a previous post you mentioned seeing 15 providers in recent years.  

So I'm jest trying to figure out the point of your inquiry at this point in time?    

However, I used to have an occasional beer with a couple local hobbyists and one of them indeed had the unequivocal consent of his wife to partake.  A rare, rare, extremely rare instance.  

Cheers

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Several years ago when I first entered the Hobby I met a great provider in Vegas.  She is well reviewed and an active member of this community/board.  I had a wonderful time and since then I have often read her posts here and have always found them to be well thought and articulate.  I have never rebooked because during our session there was a comment made about her being "comfortable with married men as long as their wives know."  At the time I just thought okay I wont repeat.  Since then it has stood out to me that it seems a little crazy for an active provider to say that.  I totally get that if there didn't need to be any secrecy it would be easier and better, but its not really realistic for all of us.  Similarly I think all would agree that if there wasn't a concern of any LE  the hobby would be much better, but it is a challenge we have to overcome.   No other provider has ever said this and I haven't seen it anywhere.  I totally get that providers may judge their clients for many reasons and I am sure they have a good laugh about the scoundrels we can be, but most providers I speak to say that it would be a very tough profession without the $$$ brought by their married clients that require discretion.  I am curious what the board's thoughts are.....

I see are married so if I thought as long as the wife is okay I am okay with seeing a married gent I would not be working.It is rare that a wife is going to be okay with her husband seeing providers of course there are some cases where the wife knows and they have an understanding.
But,most of the times the wife does not know.
Everyone has their own comfort level so for the provider you speak of that is her comfort zone.

if his wife knows is severely limiting her business prospects.

Her call of course, but it doesn't sound viable to me.

Its very hard to believe a provider would say something this stupid.

I can just imagine the conversation...

Provider...Does your wife know you pay hundreds of dollars to fuck other women.

Client...Yes she knows I pay hundreds of dollars to fuck other women.

Provider...Is your wife happy that you pay women hundreds of dollars to fuck them.

Client...Yes my wife is very happy that I pay women hundreds of dollars to fuck them.

Provider...Thats ok then, your obviously an honest guy, so I will take your money and let you fuck me.

Client...Thank you, now can I fuck you in the ass and then cum in your mouth.

Provider...Does your wife let you fuck her in the ass, then cum in her mouth.

Client...Yes of course, every single day, and she loves it.

Provider...Liar Liar pants on fire. No wife lets her husband fuck her in the ass and cum in her mouth. If they did we would all be out of a job. Now get the fuck out of here you lying scumbag.

Client (under his breath) Damn, why the hell didn't I just tell her I'm not married.

Provider (under her breath) Shit, thats the 30th client I have lost this month. Not sure this moral stance is good for business.


That is just crazy ...... are you sure you understood her correctly ??
Are you even telling the truth ? ........sorry when you use an alias the post makes us wonder certain things.

But incase anyone needs to know -

A provider has no place judging anyone ..... if she is judging , then she is in the wrong profession.
and that is just such a ridiculous thing to even say ..... because first off how can she even know the gent is married , unless he tells her and unless it is even true..........like a gent can lie about his status ...... who cares.
and even if a gent says - I hobby, but my wife knows .........so does she call the wife just to be sure ?  LOL LOL LOL LOL

It is still very hard for me to believe that a lady who is active here and articulate said something like that ...... maybe she was kidding and it went over your head ???

I would never do to others what I don't want done to me ........ I don't want anyone judging me because I am an escort ....... I would never judge anyone , nor would anyone I know would ever judge anyone.

And what does LE have to do with this subject ???
wait , is someone trying to write a new story ? ;-) ;-) ;-)

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm
xoxo CindySpice  



Posted By: vegasgent
Several years ago when I first entered the Hobby I met a great provider in Vegas.  She is well reviewed and an active member of this community/board.  I had a wonderful time and since then I have often read her posts here and have always found them to be well thought and articulate.  I have never rebooked because during our session there was a comment made about her being "comfortable with married men as long as their wives know."  At the time I just thought okay I wont repeat.  Since then it has stood out to me that it seems a little crazy for an active provider to say that.  I totally get that if there didn't need to be any secrecy it would be easier and better, but its not really realistic for all of us.  Similarly I think all would agree that if there wasn't a concern of any LE  the hobby would be much better, but it is a challenge we have to overcome.   No other provider has ever said this and I haven't seen it anywhere.  I totally get that providers may judge their clients for many reasons and I am sure they have a good laugh about the scoundrels we can be, but most providers I speak to say that it would be a very tough profession without the $$$ brought by their married clients that require discretion.  I am curious what the board's thoughts are.....

Posted By: CindySpice


A provider has no place judging anyone ..... if she is judging , then she is in the wrong profession.

I would never do to others what I don't want done to me ........ I don't want anyone judging me because I am an escort ....... I would never judge anyone , nor would anyone I know would ever judge anyone.


Yep, we're just a bunch of hookers, so we don't have any place saying what we think is the right or wrong way to live.  Who are we to have standards?  Well, I, for one, do have opinions on right and wrong and have a place to think whatever I want.  The right thing has to do with living in a way that doesn't hurt others including yourself.  I don't get it perfect.  I struggle with my demons all the time.  But when I'm wrong, I'm wrong.  There are people all over "sin city" who do wrong on the job and to other people and not just in the sex industry.  I'm not just going to sit there and go, "Oh that's ok if you fuck your friends over or steal money from someone.  Don't worry about it."  No, I'm going to tell them to take responsibility and make amends.  Yes, if you want to pay me for fun, that's great.  But if you tell me that you just got that money from robbing someone, I'm going to throw the money back in your face and walk out.

The truth is, Cindy, people DO judge us, because we are in the sex industry.  It's not right, and it's not fair, but it's reality.  But a lot of these same people who judge us have no place to talk, and I will let them know so by pointing out how they are screwing up.  I know that I'm not doing anything wrong by anyone in my job, so I feel no guilt.  People have said to me that I'm wrecking marriages by seeing a married man, but I disagree.  It is the married one's responsibility to do right by their spouse and not mine.  Yes, I don't agree with cheating on a loved one, but what's the real story?  Many times the wife does know and doesn't care.  I'm sorry, but you can't be having sex with your husband, be that close to him and not know he is cheating.  Women KNOW.  We're not stupid.  I've been married.  Many times, they just don't give a hang, because they don't want to have sex with him anymore anyways.

Personally, I could never live in a loveless marriage.  If I can't have sex with my husband, the marriage is over.  That's the reason I got divorced.  And I know, I know.  I hear it all the time, "but divorces are expensive and she'll get half of everything."  You know what, for me, you couldn't put a price on my happiness.  Whatever money I had to pay to get rid of some bitch, I'd gladly pay.  You can always make more.  My happiness is more important than a few bucks.  Just sayin'....

I've heard another excuse "but the kids".  Again, kids aren't stupid either.  I knew when my Mom didn't love my Dad anymore, and I was 10.  Who do you think you are fooling?  My parents split up, and they were both much happier than they would have ever been if they'd stayed together.  When parents are happy, the kids are happy.





Well then looks like we are on the same page ;-)
Maybe I didn't articulate my thoughts properly.

I meant just as I don't want people judging my choice to work as an escort , I would never judge someone's choice to hire an escort.
Married gents have their reasons and who am I to judge that reason ??

It doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it ........ but it doesn't mean I am judging their actions because of my opinions or because of what I would choose to do if ..........
I don't know why people seem to confuse an opinion with judgment.

I agree with you on every point you brought up in your post.
Although I am not struggling with any demons so not sure what you meant by that ,but everything else I am with you 100%
When I was 6 years old I told my parents they should divorce ........ what child says to a parent something like that ?

Like you if I was in those same situations you talked about my choices would be like yours .
BUT not everyone feels and thinks like we do and that's ok .
I am not judging them because they don't do things the way I would do things ....... that was my point. I hope it makes sense ......

Sometimes really hard for me to express what I mean when I am thinking in one language and writing out in English a language I have been using only for 12 years........and points get lost in translation. ;-)

Personally I think people are too sensitive and end up confusing an opinion or personal choice with judgment .
Let me try to give an example ....... I choose not to drink alcohol. I think it isn't healthy for the body...... but that doesn't mean I am judging someone who drinks alcohol or that I look down on them because they think differently about alcohol then I do ......... Does that make sense ??
And that is the difference between having an opinion and being judgmental.

But I do think if a provider thinks that a married guy has no business hiring an escort then she is in the wrong business.
Well she can think it , but shouldn't judge the guy because he doesn't think like that.

A married guy may have very good reasons why he hires an escort ...... like a sexless marriage,
a verbale abusive wife , a wife that doesn't make her husband feel loved , cherished , important , a wife who could really care less .......who knows why ? Just saying I am not judging that married guy.
This is my opinion about it.
People don't have to agree with MY opinions . But someone asked , so they got MY opinion.

Ok hope this makes sense  ;-)
xoxo CindySpice  









Posted By: hott_brie
Posted By: CindySpice


A provider has no place judging anyone ..... if she is judging , then she is in the wrong profession.

I would never do to others what I don't want done to me ........ I don't want anyone judging me because I am an escort ....... I would never judge anyone , nor would anyone I know would ever judge anyone.


Yep, we're just a bunch of hookers, so we don't have any place saying what we think is the right or wrong way to live.  Who are we to have standards?  Well, I, for one, do have opinions on right and wrong and have a place to think whatever I want.  The right thing has to do with living in a way that doesn't hurt others including yourself.  I don't get it perfect.  I struggle with my demons all the time.  But when I'm wrong, I'm wrong.  There are people all over "sin city" who do wrong on the job and to other people and not just in the sex industry.  I'm not just going to sit there and go, "Oh that's ok if you fuck your friends over or steal money from someone.  Don't worry about it."  No, I'm going to tell them to take responsibility and make amends.  Yes, if you want to pay me for fun, that's great.  But if you tell me that you just got that money from robbing someone, I'm going to throw the money back in your face and walk out.

The truth is, Cindy, people DO judge us, because we are in the sex industry.  It's not right, and it's not fair, but it's reality.  But a lot of these same people who judge us have no place to talk, and I will let them know so by pointing out how they are screwing up.  I know that I'm not doing anything wrong by anyone in my job, so I feel no guilt.  People have said to me that I'm wrecking marriages by seeing a married man, but I disagree.  It is the married one's responsibility to do right by their spouse and not mine.  Yes, I don't agree with cheating on a loved one, but what's the real story?  Many times the wife does know and doesn't care.  I'm sorry, but you can't be having sex with your husband, be that close to him and not know he is cheating.  Women KNOW.  We're not stupid.  I've been married.  Many times, they just don't give a hang, because they don't want to have sex with him anymore anyways.

Personally, I could never live in a loveless marriage.  If I can't have sex with my husband, the marriage is over.  That's the reason I got divorced.  And I know, I know.  I hear it all the time, "but divorces are expensive and she'll get half of everything."  You know what, for me, you couldn't put a price on my happiness.  Whatever money I had to pay to get rid of some bitch, I'd gladly pay.  You can always make more.  My happiness is more important than a few bucks.  Just sayin'....

I've heard another excuse "but the kids".  Again, kids aren't stupid either.  I knew when my Mom didn't love my Dad anymore, and I was 10.  Who do you think you are fooling?  My parents split up, and they were both much happier than they would have ever been if they'd stayed together.  When parents are happy, the kids are happy.




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I could tell my wife...but then again I would have to cut my hobby budget in 1/2 after the divorce.

Cindy et al – just for clarification it was not a question posed to me it was near the end of the session and it came out in casual conversation.  I may certainly have misunderstood and maybe it was a joke – I probably was just so surprised and quite frankly new to the hobby that I missed it. Who knows…  

I use the alias for the same reason that I hobby discreetly and could never consider attending a MG as much as I would love to (don’t want to run into a business associate, employee or worse).  I can understand that it makes one question the post, but it is what it is.  The reality is I don’t think the post is that interesting and I’m not sure what my agenda would be - its not a conspiracy - just a curious comment I wondered what others woudl think about... Lastly Wife topic has no specific relation to LE except that I am sure most men would want NOT to get caught by either!  Thanks for the responses

In your OP you state this occurred several years ago.  Yet, as evidenced by your review log, you've seen numerous ladies since then.  In fact on a previous post you mentioned seeing 15 providers in recent years.  

So I'm jest trying to figure out the point of your inquiry at this point in time?    

However, I used to have an occasional beer with a couple local hobbyists and one of them indeed had the unequivocal consent of his wife to partake.  A rare, rare, extremely rare instance.  

Cheers


As time has gone on the comment seemed even more curious to me so I posted it. I kinda thought that's what the boards were for. Nothing in my Original post seems confusing to me, I just wanted to know what others thought that's all.

Posted By: Ol_Desperado
In your OP you state this occurred several years ago.  Yet, as evidenced by your review log, you've seen numerous ladies since then.  In fact on a previous post you mentioned seeing 15 providers in recent years.  

So I'm jest trying to figure out the point of your inquiry at this point in time?    

However, I used to have an occasional beer with a couple local hobbyists and one of them indeed had the unequivocal consent of his wife to partake.  A rare, rare, extremely rare instance.  

Cheers


Sweetheart , I may be blond but I wasn't born yesterday ;-) ;-)

Yes lets clarify a few things -
I didn't say anything about this topic being posed as a question to you.......although what does that have to do with anything ???
Actually in my head I pictured it as a casual conversation that probably went something like this -

So you are just talking with the provider about different things and you guys get talking about gents who are married that see escorts and the provider sarcastically says - I am comfortable seeing married men .........as long as the wife knows about it
Cause DAHHHHH , what wife knows about her hubby's hobby  ( well , there are a few , but there are very very few )
The ones that do know, are the ones having a 3some with the escort and the wife ;-) ;-)

Anywho the joke goes over your head and you never rebook that escort because of that comment but years later you are still wondering about it .......

Ok , cool if you were still wondering about it , nothing wrong with that .
But why the alias ?? As you mentioned the post isn't that interesting and it's no big deal.
If you didn't have an agenda then why hide behind an alias ??

Oh you wanted to be discreet ?!?!?!?!?!!?!  Umm sorry but once you post reviews you are already
not that discreet.
A discreet hobbyist is a gent who never writes reviews , he never posts and he will only lurk the boards and reviews.
So I am sorry that I am not buying that excuse.

Posting with ( or with out ) an alias has nothing to do with the reason you don't go to meet and greets.
Yes I get why one wouldn't go to a meet and greet ....... plenty of reasons why not to go .......
but that is a whole other discussion .

I am blond so let me try to understand something, if you would have asked this question with your  real handle name now some employee or business associate of yours would know who you are ???
( rhetorical  question , Just being sarcastic to make a point ;-) )

Sorry when someone posts using an alias it will always raise a suspicion why did this person chose to use an alias rather then their true handle name ?

Just saying if you ( or anyone ) wants to be taken seriously don't use an alias .......especially with such a non important post.
An alias used in order to be funny or sarcastic yes I get that.
but when no real reason to use an alias then yes that makes me ( and others ) go hmmmmm

Now that you revealed your true handle we don't have to go hmmm ;-)
well maybe just a little bit LOL LOL LOL

Not to worry , your secret is safe with me ;-) ;-)

No need to keep explaining yourself ....... just food for thought for next time for you and for anyone who choses to post with an alias.

It's all good
xoxo CindySpice






 

Posted By: hardway4433
Cindy et al – just for clarification it was not a question posed to me it was near the end of the session and it came out in casual conversation.  I may certainly have misunderstood and maybe it was a joke – I probably was just so surprised and quite frankly new to the hobby that I missed it. Who knows…  

I use the alias for the same reason that I hobby discreetly and could never consider attending a MG as much as I would love to (don’t want to run into a business associate, employee or worse).  I can understand that it makes one question the post, but it is what it is.  The reality is I don’t think the post is that interesting and I’m not sure what my agenda would be - its not a conspiracy - just a curious comment I wondered what others woudl think about... Lastly Wife topic has no specific relation to LE except that I am sure most men would want NOT to get caught by either!  Thanks for the responses

The "Et al" stands for and others so I was trying to respond to all the posts some of which suggested that it was a screening type question.  Probably should not have put your name first was simply trying to thank you specifically for responding.  My intitial thanks was genuine, but I can honestly say I regret that I ever posted at all.  Ironically, despite your claims of being nonjudgemental, you seem way to willing to JUDGE every detail of a simple post, use of alias etc.  

Posted By: CindySpice

Sweetheart , I may be blond but I wasn't born yesterday ;-) ;-)

Yes lets clarify a few things -
I didn't say anything about this topic being posed as a question to you.......although what does that have to do with anything ???
Actually in my head I pictured it as a casual conversation that probably went something like this -

So you are just talking with the provider about different things and you guys get talking about gents who are married that see escorts and the provider sarcastically says - I am comfortable seeing married men .........as long as the wife knows about it
Cause DAHHHHH , what wife knows about her hubby's hobby  ( well , there are a few , but there are very very few )
The ones that do know, are the ones having a 3some with the escort and the wife ;-) ;-)

Anywho the joke goes over your head and you never rebook that escort because of that comment but years later you are still wondering about it .......

Ok , cool if you were still wondering about it , nothing wrong with that .
But why the alias ?? As you mentioned the post isn't that interesting and it's no big deal.
If you didn't have an agenda then why hide behind an alias ??

Oh you wanted to be discreet ?!?!?!?!?!!?!  Umm sorry but once you post reviews you are already
not that discreet.
A discreet hobbyist is a gent who never writes reviews , he never posts and he will only lurk the boards and reviews.
So I am sorry that I am not buying that excuse.

Posting with ( or with out ) an alias has nothing to do with the reason you don't go to meet and greets.
Yes I get why one wouldn't go to a meet and greet ....... plenty of reasons why not to go .......
but that is a whole other discussion .

I am blond so let me try to understand something, if you would have asked this question with your  real handle name now some employee or business associate of yours would know who you are ???
( rhetorical  question , Just being sarcastic to make a point ;-) )

Sorry when someone posts using an alias it will always raise a suspicion why did this person chose to use an alias rather then their true handle name ?

Just saying if you ( or anyone ) wants to be taken seriously don't use an alias .......especially with such a non important post.
An alias used in order to be funny or sarcastic yes I get that.
but when no real reason to use an alias then yes that makes me ( and others ) go hmmmmm

Now that you revealed your true handle we don't have to go hmmm ;-)
well maybe just a little bit LOL LOL LOL

Not to worry , your secret is safe with me ;-) ;-)

No need to keep explaining yourself ....... just food for thought for next time for you and for anyone who choses to post with an alias.

It's all good
xoxo CindySpice






 
Posted By: hardway4433
Cindy et al – just for clarification it was not a question posed to me it was near the end of the session and it came out in casual conversation.  I may certainly have misunderstood and maybe it was a joke – I probably was just so surprised and quite frankly new to the hobby that I missed it. Who knows…  

I use the alias for the same reason that I hobby discreetly and could never consider attending a MG as much as I would love to (don’t want to run into a business associate, employee or worse).  I can understand that it makes one question the post, but it is what it is.  The reality is I don’t think the post is that interesting and I’m not sure what my agenda would be - its not a conspiracy - just a curious comment I wondered what others woudl think about... Lastly Wife topic has no specific relation to LE except that I am sure most men would want NOT to get caught by either!  Thanks for the responses


Just like the good old days of  "TER the early years" ;-) ;-)
When pointing out simple facts it is called being judgmental.

Please do not confuse have a strong opinion and not being afraid to speak ones mind as being judgmental.
I am sorry that the truth hurts or  that the truth is hard to handle......but hey like you said -
It is , what it is ;-) ;-)

I don't understand why you are getting all defensive . I am not judging you in any way.
I am truly sorry if how I say things make you feel that way.
You have your opinion and I have my opinion . I am just stating my opinion.
I am not forcing anyone to agree with what I say ....... If I did , now that would be judgmental.

If I wanted to pick apart your post, rest assure there is plenty more to say about your post ....... but I didn't go there because I am not judging you. and I wasn't trying to pick you apart.
BTW your post was far from simple .....if you don't know why I am happy to email you in private my thoughts about that and obviously I wasn't the only one who saw that ...... just saying , NOT
judging .......big difference.

I am just expressing my thoughts and opinions .
We still can do that here , yes ? ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)
So relax no one is judging you.
No need to regret anything . Yes this board is to ask questions and learn new things ..... and we all did.
You got your answer about what providers think of married gents who hire escorts.
I got my answer why an alias was used for such a non important question.
and the community got to learn more about the pros and cons of using an alias and tips on how to be discreet.

It's all good . Don't worry , smile ;-) ;-) Be happy
no problems or issues here
xoxo CindySpice  






Posted By: hardway4433
The "Et al" stands for and others so I was trying to respond to all the posts some of which suggested that it was a screening type question.  Probably should not have put your name first was simply trying to thank you specifically for responding.  My intitial thanks was genuine, but I can honestly say I regret that I ever posted at all.  Ironically, despite your claims of being nonjudgemental, you seem way to willing to JUDGE every detail of a simple post, use of alias etc.  


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