if you know the person and thak ask and they know you why not or I missing some thing?
Yesterday I got a reference request for someone that I met once a few months ago, I responded to her that yes he was safe and kind and I that would see him again.
I then realized after that the "provider" who contacted me was one of the members of "The Group" that so many of you here are always talking about. I know there has been verification by many of their association (or perhaps management is a better term) by some outside parties but beyond the fake reviews, and having to turn money over to someone else that in fact some of the girls are fun to see.
My question is do I have an obligation to alert this hobbyist that the girl he is requesting to meet is part of "the group" and in doing so does that make me look catty or helpful?
I mean I have heard of girls "poaching" past clients, meaning they get a reference requests from another provider in the same city/town for a client they have met before and instead of telling the provider the guy is safe they instead will reach out to the hobbyist saying "Oh I hear you're coming to town in July, why don't you see me again and I'll knock $100 off my rate" Which by the way makes you come across really desperate to your past client and when the new potential provider contacts the client and says she hasn't heard back from his reference and he mentions the poaching email (proving the past provider got the reference request and is choosing not to respond) it makes said provider come across as catty and untrustworthy. But I digress...
That is not the situation here, I have no clue when this client is coming to town and I am not trying to steal him back... I am worried sending a message warning him about "The Group" situation may come off across that way but who cares, if you were in my shoes do you think it is the right thing to do? To give him the courtesy of full disclosure about "the group" and politely urge him to do a bit more research (perhaps directing him to some of the posts here about "The Group") because at least he deserves to be fully informed so he can have the best hobby experience possible... or should I just let it be?
-CCC
P.S. Playing Devil's Advocate it's possible he already knows about the reputation of "The Group" or has seen the message boards and is rolling the dice anyways but I think way fewer people read posts here as many clients I have met with aren't even aware the message boards even exist, lol.
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As a hobbyist I would appreciate a heads up email from a well known provider that i have seen in the past. The only concern I would have if I was in your posistion is if he cancels on her stating he received a warning message and they assume it was from you do you start getting harrasing emails or text from them. But if your not concerned with that happening i would as a friendly gesture but dont feel obligated that you need to.
I don't think you say anything to him. Honestly, I think you have more to lose in this situation by saying something than he does by your saying nothing. Further, he bears the responsibility for doing his own research.
You are a total sweetheart for looking out for your clients but my advice is say nothing and let him learn on his own. Who knows, he may end up having a great experience.
Just thought I would add my two pennies. You're the best, Carly!
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I would agree with this. there is an old polish saying that I've found recently. " not my circus, not my monkeys"
All of this "group" discussion is based upon rumors and innuendos. It's nothing more than drama.
Time to move on. And kudo's for providing the reference
but I will not share my observations with you.
Then don't share your foolish ideas that there is plenty of proof
I would not say anything reason being you have good intentions but everyone might not see that.
It could either go thanks for letting me know or the guy might think you are being catty.
Personally I have received quite a few reference requests from women who are or supposedly in said "group"I gave the reference before I knew about the group.
I have provided references to those women even after all of the postings here.
It is up to the guy to do his due diligence reading reviews,board postings,etc.
A guy might not do all of this while researching a provider.
Unless he is a regular client you see quite often I would just keep it to yourself.
You do not want come off as being catty even though I know your true intentions are the complete opposite.
Many of guys saw the "group" board posts and still continue to see these women so your warning may fall on deaf ears.
is not the lady or young lady but an agent, pimp, scumbag or G-d's gift to the world but NOT the girl? I think that's the issue. I realize you might contact this individual for a reference too if that matters.
I then realized after that the "provider" who contacted me was one of the members of "The Group" that so many of you here are always talking about. I know there has been verification by many of their association (or perhaps management is a better term) by some outside parties but beyond the fake reviews, and having to turn money over to someone else that in fact some of the girls are fun to see.
My question is do I have an obligation to alert this hobbyist that the girl he is requesting to meet is part of "the group" and in doing so does that make me look catty or helpful?
I mean I have heard of girls "poaching" past clients, meaning they get a reference requests from another provider in the same city/town for a client they have met before and instead of telling the provider the guy is safe they instead will reach out to the hobbyist saying "Oh I hear you're coming to town in July, why don't you see me again and I'll knock $100 off my rate" Which by the way makes you come across really desperate to your past client and when the new potential provider contacts the client and says she hasn't heard back from his reference and he mentions the poaching email (proving the past provider got the reference request and is choosing not to respond) it makes said provider come across as catty and untrustworthy. But I digress...
That is not the situation here, I have no clue when this client is coming to town and I am not trying to steal him back... I am worried sending a message warning him about "The Group" situation may come off across that way but who cares, if you were in my shoes do you think it is the right thing to do? To give him the courtesy of full disclosure about "the group" and politely urge him to do a bit more research (perhaps directing him to some of the posts here about "The Group") because at least he deserves to be fully informed so he can have the best hobby experience possible... or should I just let it be?
-CCC
P.S. Playing Devil's Advocate it's possible he already knows about the reputation of "The Group" or has seen the message boards and is rolling the dice anyways but I think way fewer people read posts here as many clients I have met with aren't even aware the message boards even exist, lol.
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I would leave it alone. It has been awhile but I have seen a few of these girls before I knew of the so called group last spring and summer. My experiences were all positive and these girls were not naïve or stupid. They seem to know what they are doing and continue to do business as usual.
Some things are left better unsaid
If you are giving a reference to a provider in the "group", you should inform the hobbyist of your belief of her membership. He can choose to act upon or ignore your advice.
My personal opinion is that women working in the group are trafficked and abused. Hobbyists should make every effort possible to avoid contact with trafficked and/or underage women.
if you know the person and thak ask and they know you why not or I missing some thing?
he's a big boy (or he shouldn't be coming to Vegas to party) -- if he hasn't done his research, you don't need to do the research AND the analysis for him. Not your position in the hobby....
not my circus, not my monkeys
Your not obligated, stay out of the drama associated with others. It's much better and safer for you that way. Stealing clients? Come on now, they go where they want to go and come back to who treats them with respect and dignity. Who's to say the person asking for the reference doesn't tell the client what you said?
See how that works?