“Look, we have Cirqued ourselves to death,” he says, exhaling in exasperation. “Yeah, I brought ’em here. Yeah, I love it. But enough already with the equipment and the hydraulics. There’s still nothing as magical as a great piece of musical composition and virtuoso performers or dancers who spent their lives learning their trade, doing it without any equipment, with no help, naked with the talent.”

Any Idea when it starts?

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