Hi, I was wondering if say a provider was willing to accept gift cards, not cash ones, but like Victoria's Secrets ($500), instead of cash would that legally be considered prostitution or just an expense date? I can lose my job if I get busted with an indie.
gift cards: unknown value, can be reported stolen and canceled.
If you're really afraid of getting busted, just hit the legit brothels in rural NV. You pay cash and look 21+, they don't ask questions.
Indies usually couch their fees as time for money. It's a grey area but it works and you can say if so&so stayed for the full time or not. Anything that happens between 2 consenting adults during that time should be consider good fun.
They start the date by both sitting down at a BJ table. He buys $600 in chips and gives her half. After his first loss, he gives her the rest of his chips and says "not my lucky day, let's go fuck".
Not the fact that it's a gift card or steel engravings of dead US Presidents.
Look, if you're worried so much, do what quzi said and go to Pahrump. The odds are very low of things going wrong with a well-reviewed indie here (try "meteor striking your plane"), but if any risk is too much risk for you, this ain't the hobby for you.
You go out on a date with a girl, buy her something expensive at the store of tangeable value such as a ring or something and go back to the room. She could be an escort or a civie. If she is an escort is that illegal and if she is a civie then it is not? Could be interesting and I am sure this has been crossed before.
If she is a civie, in my younger days I could have been busted countless times! LOL
I do like the chip answer though, but again the same holds true. Is it illegal for an escort and legal for a civie?
Although the Nevada general definition statute refers to accepting a “fee,” no judge is likely to construe this term to mean “cash.” And indeed the pandering statute explicitly includes in its definition of “pandering” one who “Receives, gives or agrees to receive or give any money or thing of value for procuring or attempting to procure a person to become a prostitute.”
So for all practical purposes sex in return for anything of value will leave you open for prosecution if you are so unlucky as to be one of the few that LE chooses to prosecute.
And I would respectfully disagree that the disclaimers on most ladies websites –“money exchanged is for companionship only” – both parties sworn testimony that “I’m just paying for time,” or the quaint practice of calling the fee a “donation” and leaving it in an envelope, is a “gray area” in terms of providing protection from prosecution. A lot of people seem to believe this but, as I posted on the Legal Corner board a few weeks ago:
“Criminal law imposes criminal penalties on what you do and not on how you label it. The only real use to these disclaimers is to allow the defendant to argue in court that the client was only paying for the lady's time.
But the jury is rarely if ever going to buy this. Take, for example, the poor DC Madam who actually had her escorts sign a contract saying they would not engage in any illegal activity. When indicted, she used the Casablanca defense that she was "shocked, shocked" to learn that her employees/contractors were actually charging for sex.
The jury did not buy it and the rest is sad history.”
If LE has probable cause to arrest you for violating the law, this kind of labeling will rarely if ever discourage the arrest and prosecution.
And I’m not even going to get into the special problems posed by incall.
So Bob as usual is right. Stick to the licensed brothels, conform to their rules, and you cannot lose in terms of exposure to prosecution.
It's been a REAL long time since my last statistics class, but I'd have to think that the odds of getting busted with a well reviewed indie are at least twice that of a meteor striking my plane. Oh wait, are you including while the plane is on the ground too, as that could impact the math.
At the end of the day, everybody has their own tolerance for risk. I think the chances are pretty low, but any of a number of politicians may think differently.
...doesn't have to be money or of monetary value...its just money/gift cards are tangible evidence that are easy to classify "for consideration of". Buying a lady a drink could be consideration, although it would be much more difficult to prove as such, but it could open things up to probable cause as a way to find more tangible proof.
I like that idea. Either way, it seems you cum out a winner.
However, I must say that when I first read it, I thought BJ meant something other than blackjack. How that would be a fun table game. Maybe a few bets as to who smiles first.
every time i play blackjack the pit boss, is that what they call them? The guy or girl in the monkey suit in the middle === yeah them. They come up to me and " hey pretty boy, we got our eyes on you (do the Y thing from Meet the Fockers from DeNiro's character). We now you are couting the cards"
I say" what are you talking about? You have to know how to count up to 21 to play this game ---doh. What's with the monkey suit?"
"ok, pretty boy, you won over 10k, you have two choices you walk out of here with your two legs or with chip on your shoulder?"
"what? You can't take my chips (take picture with my cell phone camera)....you want trouble with the commission , keep it up. I am leaving, if anyone touches me I sue for unlawful retention. Get it - smart boy" Turn to my body guard, Mukie; "let's get out of this popcorn joint".
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