Seems like in the last couple of years Las Vegas got flooded again with a new group of girls.

You want to discuss, discuss.  Why hide?  Why ask?
You don't need fucking permission?
But, how about keeping it real, and drop the alias??
Im Jeffrey, and that's just me, no fucking alias.

Posted By: justaguy23456

Seems like in the last couple of years Las Vegas got flooded again with a new group of girls.  
   
 They are all have these flowing characteristics:  
   
   
 1. Same type of websites with same rates (more or less) and rules.  
   
 2. They all checking ID's.  
   
 3. Have same group of reviewers with very little history in ter.  
   
 4. Rarely have reviews (or none) from veteran hobbyists.  
   
 5. Using the same photographer, same poses and backgrounds on photos.  
   
 (most heavily airbrushed and looks like clones).  
   
 6. Most of them have the same "screening assistant".  
   
 7. Uneducated, have tattoos and use to be "dancers" of some sort.  
   
 8. They do not advertise, but at the same time getting tons of 10/10 reviews  
   
 right away and jumping to "top 100".  
   
 9. They all know each other and pushing "girlfriends" for your next visit.  
   
 10. They do not travel.  
   
 11. They all bi.  
   
   
   
 Are we falling again for the same thing, like few years ago?  
   
 Are we going to be surprised again?  
   
 Veteran hobbyists know exactly what I mean  
 Should we discuss it or just let it be?  
 

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Unless you can mustard a mass boycott nothing will change. Those that know, know. And in reality we're really a small group in the whole scope of thngs. And it's not like they're rips offs and they are good looking so, I got no beef.....And don't take this the wrong way, but if you wanted some kind of cred behind this post, put your review handle behind it. It could maybe carry more weight, but that's just me.......Now break is over, back to my yard work.....

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...that were involved with that previous group. They resurfaced, changed their names, improved their menus and raised their rates. Also, they've added several new ladies to the group. I have to say that they're nearly irresistible.  What ever happened to that former pimp / manager guy who so horribly treated those ladies in his group? Did he ever do any time or is he still out and disfiguring and abusing the ladies?

about manupulations,
if somebody get constant 10/10 from other men and you think she is a 7/7 or 8/8
will you give her 7-8? Answer is most likely no! You ether won't post review at all
or will give her higher score. If average girl got on top 100, will you eventually contact her?
even if she is not your type, just to see what fuss is all about?
The answer is most likely yes. They counting on it.
Seems like with proper menagment pretty much anybody can get on top,
what's a point of ter then? It is just annoing..

Yes, I have noticed this also... And I was on my way to Vegas the last time when the previous house of cards fell apart.  The websites similarity is a concern to a degree as templates are often used, but the almost identical text and rules. the pushing of duos, and the pricing encourages one hour engagements (no multi hour discounts).

Interesting trends going on too!
Btw the guy is out and in dubaii
Read on the dirty.com..let the truth be known..lol

Posted By: justaguy23456

Seems like in the last couple of years Las Vegas got flooded again with a new group of girls.  
   
 They are all have these flowing characteristics:  
   
   
 1. Same type of websites with same rates (more or less) and rules.  
   
 2. They all checking ID's.  
   
 3. Have same group of reviewers with very little history in ter.  
   
 4. Rarely have reviews (or none) from veteran hobbyists.  
   
 5. Using the same photographer, same poses and backgrounds on photos.  
   
 (most heavily airbrushed and looks like clones).  
   
 6. Most of them have the same "screening assistant".  
   
 7. Uneducated, have tattoos and use to be "dancers" of some sort.  
   
 8. They do not advertise, but at the same time getting tons of 10/10 reviews  
   
 right away and jumping to "top 100".  
   
 9. They all know each other and pushing "girlfriends" for your next visit.  
   
 10. They do not travel.  
   
 11. They all bi.  
   
   
   
 Are we falling again for the same thing, like few years ago?  
   
 Are we going to be surprised again?  
   
 Veteran hobbyists know exactly what I mean  
 Should we discuss it or just let it be?  
 

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We see this going on too, but if we bring up we would be called, catty or jealous...I am with you on this one.

It would be interesting if any of the hobbiests who have large amounts of reviews (like maybe over 60 hahaha)  over longer periods of time to comment if they ever saw any of this group of ladies from awhile back???  

Some of these ladies are traveling and I am making a concerted effort to avoid them.

Who are these girls to avoid?  I'm coming to Vegas in 2 weeks and would rather not make those mistakes.  Any help would be appreciated.  Please PM me.  Thank you.

What he said

Miss your smiling face, too, and a lot of other parts!  What's with that new long-hair look?  Sexxy, I think, but I'd like to see it up close, and personal!
I'm available tomorrow morning, how about U?  Oh, hell, you'll prolly be out too L8 Saturday night!
Well, soon, OK??
And, what are they up to in Vegas these days?  It sounds sinister

As someone new to the hobby, if one of you old-timers wouldn't mind sharing what happened last time I would greatly appreciate it. Luckily my ATF isn't part of a group (at least I don't think so) but I would like to know about the hobby 's history in LV in case she is ever unavailable.

Posted By: justaguy23456

Seems like in the last couple of years Las Vegas got flooded again with a new group of girls.  
   
 They are all have these flowing characteristics:  
   
   
 1. Same type of websites with same rates (more or less) and rules.  
   
 2. They all checking ID's.  
   
 3. Have same group of reviewers with very little history in ter.  
   
 4. Rarely have reviews (or none) from veteran hobbyists.  
   
 5. Using the same photographer, same poses and backgrounds on photos.  
   
 (most heavily airbrushed and looks like clones).  
   
 6. Most of them have the same "screening assistant".  
   
 7. Uneducated, have tattoos and use to be "dancers" of some sort.  
   
 8. They do not advertise, but at the same time getting tons of 10/10 reviews  
   
 right away and jumping to "top 100".  
   
 9. They all know each other and pushing "girlfriends" for your next visit.  
   
 10. They do not travel.  
   
 11. They all bi.  
   
   
   
 Are we falling again for the same thing, like few years ago?  
   
 Are we going to be surprised again?  
   
 Veteran hobbyists know exactly what I mean  
 Should we discuss it or just let it be?  
 

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I agree. I'm coming out for my annual trip later this month and would like to know the ladies to avoid as well. Any pm's would be greatly appreciated!!!

...now, they're full GFE and offer Greek upgrades and have adjusted their rates upward. That's why I said they're nearly irresistible. I wouldn't rule out seeing one of them but I'm getting all the good lovin' I can handle from very beautiful women, full open menus and at lower rates.

not rocket science.Some get it and don't care they will still continue to shill for that group.
I remember that fiasco back then many guys were all up in arms about where did those women go.
Contacting and bothering other "true independents" here in vegas about that mess when it had nothing to do with the women who have been here for years.yet here they are back and everyone forgets.they were in a abusive situation back then people say guys were about to shit bricks wondering if their info was compromised.
Very easy to see the games that are being played with the review system c'mon guys jesus take the rose colored glasses off already.
guys who know what is going on but don't say nothing when they get no call no show and cancelled on by these group of women for a better date that is never discussed either.
sure there handlers will come in soon or maybe not

some real guys did reviews that were far less than 10/10 and not such good score.
you know whatr happens?the fake reviewers come in and save the day with a good 10-10 to discredit the guy who has a long review history and has no reason to lie.if you read them most of the guys say they really did not want to write the reviews but it was such a bad experience they had to say something.
top 100 list what a joke women been on scene for not that long they are the top provider here.give me a break.none of these people comment on threads like this when it is talking about them.

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Try "Las Vegas pimp". Also try the RJ and in their search function use pimp. Just remember things aren't always appear to be what you think they are.

Same here.  I'm coming out for March Madness and will see a couple of women.  Any help on who to avoid would be welcome -- via pm, of course.

Do they advertise or not? Isn't a website advertising? What does that mean? They don't post ads on TER's local ad board?

I dunno, he/she is basically calling out person(s) or a group or????...I mean for all we know the poster could be provider that's has a agenda. I mean I would probably really like to know who this is, a guy or girl, atleast on a post of this nature. Just don't throw shit to the wall and hope it sticks. And also, this thread is useless without naming names of providers and maybe the reviewers in question. We're all guessing or we "Think" we know.

I'd love to know who the ladies are as well. I was just starting to set up a few appointments for my April trip and would love to avoid these ladies and any unpleasant surprises. I am a firm believer in providing whatever information the ladies would need to feel comfortable, but also want to protect my privacy and well being at the same time.  

I think:
Madison Cruise
Harmony Taylor
Yasmin Dae
Vanessa Harlowe
Mia Chase
Brooke Waters
Kimmy Daniels
 

The only problem I have with Vegas is  there are about 100 ladies I would love to see and I am only able to visit 3 or 4 days a year! Argh!!! lol.

do not worry Olddesperado will come to their defense say they are indy and excellent lol

How is having tattoos or being a dancer a problem?

Posted By: justaguy23456

Seems like in the last couple of years Las Vegas got flooded again with a new group of girls.  
   
 They are all have these flowing characteristics:  
   
   
 1. Same type of websites with same rates (more or less) and rules.  
   
 2. They all checking ID's.  
   
 3. Have same group of reviewers with very little history in ter.  
   
 4. Rarely have reviews (or none) from veteran hobbyists.  
   
 5. Using the same photographer, same poses and backgrounds on photos.  
   
 (most heavily airbrushed and looks like clones).  
   
 6. Most of them have the same "screening assistant".  
   
 7. Uneducated, have tattoos and use to be "dancers" of some sort.  
   
 8. They do not advertise, but at the same time getting tons of 10/10 reviews  
   
 right away and jumping to "top 100".  
   
 9. They all know each other and pushing "girlfriends" for your next visit.  
   
 10. They do not travel.  
   
 11. They all bi.  
   
   
   
 Are we falling again for the same thing, like few years ago?  
   
 Are we going to be surprised again?  
   
 Veteran hobbyists know exactly what I mean  
 Should we discuss it or just let it be?  
 

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To me I am a 10-10!
I have learned to love myself that I really don't care how others judge me, especially my physical looks.

he is not a fake reviewer he has earned his reputation here as a stand up guy.
people with no review history no board.

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I don't see any reviews for ladies on the above list.   One white listed you, but no review for her?  Your credibility comes from reviews over a period of years.  I'd take your reviews as credible as I did my due diligence.  

the usual story ...people ask for names, then when someone is willing to post them...he is the villain

All of those women advertise...here on TER. Does that "disqualify" them from being suspects

y advertising, he meant posting ads on websites that require payment

Tess Tayler, Tera Moore and maybe Demi Drake, Kendra Marie and Ivy Evans and the rest of "Las Vegas Atmosphere Models and Luxury Vip Companions".

Isn't cool, be responsible. See that's what's wrong with a post like this, the orginal poster didn't put names out there, he left it up to us to guess who they are. Now some dudes will think they know and throw shit all willy nilly. Just need to do your homework, that's all, and I'm funny the guy not blasting his ass. I know Yasmin, known her for awhile and seen her a number of times, she doesn't run with that group.

Great...I just got to Vegas this afternoon and was supposed to meet with one of the ladies on your list this evening. She texted me that she was sorry but her friend (who is also on your list) could see me. Right now it is too late to do anything about it as she is on her way and I cant't be sure she isn't legit. but I wish I had seen this earlier today or last week when I set the meeting. I found this discussion because I was looking at her reviews and did a search of the discussion board while waiting for her.

This is becoming something like the Salem witch trials. Tera is my atf and she is legit. She doesn't run with that other group. And I'm not even sure what the other group is being accused of?

So forgive me for not knowing but what happened last time and why are these girls to be avoided? Someone please PM me if this info can't be posted publicly.

I ended up meeting with Brooke Waters who was referred to me by Tess Taylar when she got delayed. I had a great evening with Brooke and she is everything her reviews say. She got this old fat guy to attempt a second cup which hasn't happened in years!  

I believe the issue a year or two ago also uncovered he would have some girls tattoo his name in Farsi on their body. I had a credible Vegas hobbyist point the tattoo on Madison Cruise's wrist as an example. I don't think the others mentioned are bearing his tatoo unless they airbrush it out in the photos.  

...or that they're not legit. There's no reason to believe that their reviews or their ratings aren't authentic or well deserved. The OP was simply pointing out the similarities to the previous group of women and how this group seems to have a lot in common with that group and with each other. It wasn't apparent to most of us that the previous group were part of an organized group and managed by a handler until the shit hit the fan. Some men abhor the idea of seeing women who are part of an organized group. That may have been the reason that the OP felt it would be good to discuss. I wouldn't mind seeing any of them.

Every time i contact a certain lady on that list shes busy but her friend is available.  Almost all of the pics are photoshopped.  Guess it could be worse-theres no upselling or outright robbery-but I enjoy this hobby less and less each year.  I couldnt even continue after 30 seconds with the last one...waste of $500.

After further review, for me anyway, it boils down to this:

...and post it under every reply.

I have seen a few of those listed on this thread. I was aware of 'that' beforehand and it didn't really bother me then as it seemed to be water under the bridge. It still seems like that water is still under the bridge to me...and therefore I wouldn't be concerned about anyone listed here either.

I do not believe they are friend..once I asked a true indy provider if she had a friend and she told me she does not because of privacy...these groups are all managed by someone, that's all and that does not mean they are bad or rip offs...they are simply not independent

Just this week I had  date with a nice fantastic gentleman who was visiting Vegas with  friend.
His friend was a total greenhorn, never seen a provider before.. so my date decided to "give hi the hookup': Directed him to  couple of the better known hobbyists sites and told him to use TER to check reviews of any of the girls he liked. (which is basically most most guys do and especially now since P4 took out all their sexual terms and you cant see what a girl really has on menu)

That's a broad brush. You are implying that this 'group' still exists and that if you book a date with one of  "them"  you are likely to either get pushed off onto someone else or cancelled on. Well, I have seen several of the aformentioned...and it didn't happen to me. They were on time, I enjoyed my date and they were everything their website said they would be. So, I don't know. Not sure what you're implying as it relates to the client experience. Not a single one of them did anything to make me feel they were unprofessional or shady or gave me reason to feel bad about the date.

Tatoos was just something they got in common, this is all.
Many independent ladies have tatoos too.  
Time will go by and everybody will forget about this topic anyway.
But I found hard to beleive that 15-20 girls could be all friends and know each other.
Let's just face it, it is an underground agency that pretent to be a group of
"independend" ladies. I have nothing againts agencies, but reviews manupulations,
grossly photoshopped photos, canceling in the last minute, sending someone else instead is just wrong.
But, like some people said here, compare to "rip off's" is not so bad.  
Seems like they have new girls joining them every week, so
no point to list them here, they just will change the names

Unless you are worried about getting 'outed' because whoever it is running the show is going to get busted and turn over names....why does it matter?  

Sure, just friends...
They also manage to log-in to "preferred411" at the same time...all together...every day.
What ever you want to beleive, its up to you...


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Dude...I'm not saying they might not have a handler. They might. I'm telling other readers of this thread who you freaked out, and who may be freaked out if they don't hear otherwise...that the women's names who were listed here are legit. They are real women, look like (usually better) than their website and TER photos, don't do anything unprofessional or act shady and deliver as promised. I haven't had any of them cancel on me or switch to one of their 'friends'. I HAVE had most of them tell me if I wanted to duo, this is who they duo with...and I don't see anything wrong with that kind of 'friendship' web. All of these women, young and old, have relationships and friendships within this business.  

Posted by an alias....which could be anyone....including a female. Including an escort. Whatever.

a newbie with only 3 reviews since May 2014, nobody gives a fu*king shit what YOU think. Those of use who have been in this hobby for more than a decade or two have a better understanding on this and past situations.  

Ok, so I'm not sure why there is so much uproar, but I'll throw in my two cents.  A while back I saw Tesstayler when she was blonde, going by the name Avaivy.  I don't feel that people should feel that her or any of her counterparts should be negatively viewed because of any assumptions.  When I made my appointment with her, I was curious that the site looked so familiar to some others, but it didn't really bother me.  My appointment was friction free and she was an absolute sweetheart when I was clearly nervous.  At no point did I feel rushed, and it was my first real GFE.  I know I'm no stud or Abercrombie model, but she sure as hell made me feel like I was.  That's really all a guy could ask for when searching for the perfect "date."  So if anyone is skeptical because of this thread, please let this post backup at least one of these girls.  I'm no shill, so go ahead and call me whatever you want.  I've never had an experience like Ava/Tess, and wished they all could be like that.  Fyi, I'll be planning a meeting with Ivy as soon as I get some leisure time!

Anymore than anyone cares what you have to say, coward...posting with an alias.

Ok, now we established that they are have a handler, now we getting somewhere
As far as photoshopped photos, do you really want me to post "before" and "after"
examples of photographer who made these pictures?
By the way, I don't think she would mind an extra promotion

A lot of the girls use the same personal assistant to handle their emails/TER message board replies/P411 accounts. Think about it, some of these girls are seeing 7-8 clients a night (yea, i think that's kinda gross too but none of my business). They don't have time to read all their emails and schedule appointments/deal with cancellations. We hobbyists complain when a girl cancels on us??? Think about the number of times hobbyists have cancelled on girls at the last minute because they had a bad night at the tables. My point is, all the evidence suggests they are a group of friends that use the same services (website, personal assistant, photographer). How many website designers that specialize in escort websites do you think there are??

The 'veteran independents' don't use photoshop?? LOL...ok

You have come this far, might as well

Posted By: justaguy23456

Ok, now we established that they are have a handler, now we getting somewhere  
 As far as photoshopped photos, do you really want me to post "before" and "after"  
 examples of photographer who made these pictures?  
 By the way, I don't think she would mind an extra promotion.  
   
   
 

attack a single provider, you attacked a group of established indie providers with your previous post "I mean...you have Sin City Soiree, you have M & G's...you have plenty of 'veteran' women posting and advertising and they all know each other, vouch for each other etc...so...what's the difference?".  

If you have saw so many of that group why only 3 reviews and no w/l?
every one saw those selfies which look different from their pro pictures.very different.
Who knows for all we know you could be their handler.if they have an assistant then they should say that instead of acting like independent.that is what is annoying people just be honest and stop manufacturing new handles for reviews not you them.everyone else who has assistant states that is the case.you can act as if you don't have a clue if you want to.


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I can 100% assure you all...i have zero association with this group. However,  since this is out there. ... i was introduced to the community through this" group" .We had different views and working under their SERVICE did not work for me and was not in my personal best interest. I took to this community because it's the most reliable,  safe way to enjoy the hobby. I believe that means living up to the principles.  
 I have been solo and TRULY independent for quite some time.  Yes,  I kept the website I was over charged for.... any questions or concerns I'm happy to answer or address.  Please feel free to PM me ...

I couldn't agree more.

Ok. You 'castrated" me. LOL. Good job.  

Just because, I'll answer each of your points...

I'm going to repeat....

hey guys, i guess since contributors to this post are familiar with that "group", does anybody know what happened to katie flowers? is she based in another city? another name?

She has been gone for at least a year, maybe more. Why, was she in that old group?

I am not affiliated with any of these ladies. I would gladly answer any questions in regards to me. I am 100% independent and can only speak for myself. That being said please contact me for any questions. I understand the frustration of picking the perfect provider. I'm only speaking to clear the confusion.  

Lol the writing on my wrist is Arabic first of all. It's for my son. It says true love is unbreakable. I truly appreciate the attention false or not. I can only speak for myself. I know what you are referring to and I will gladly answer questions. As this is an irrelevant ridiculous matter. I am not affiliated with these girls, but have worked duos. Only so many provider templates are offered. The end result of this discussion is...we are all excellent individual providers. All highly reviewed ect. I'm not going to argue we are the top in Vegas pretty faces, tight bodies...as all these woman are of outstanding quality. That is where we bond. In our love of providing and our respect for our community. I
am thankful for my supporters. But I feel sorry for the naysayers as the named girls are once in a lifetime. Especially meI hope this helps. Either way I am an open book and am email away

Hi Vanessa-