Cancellations are brutal from either perspective. I have been cancelled on in Vegas more than anyplace else. I realize how much time and energy it can take to prepare for a date, drive thru traffic and navigate the parking etc. To be cancelled on after all that is frustrating at best, and damn rude at worst. The other side is often similar too....
If one is flying into Vegas (or visiting any other town for that matter) and makes arrangements and clears screening prior to arrival and then gets "no showed" or cancelled, he too is in a bind. Options are limited for him too.
If one pre-contacts several ladies, and asks them to screen him, they are wasting their time (and the time of the references that he gives them) if he doesn't confirm the appointment. I have tried this approach, but the references that I gave told the prospective ladies that they had been contacted by another regarding the same dates, and I was then shut out/down as a time waster. (Or worse, when I contacted them for a subsequent trip, they would not even consider seeing me) So if only one lady is contacted and asked to screen, then there is a "no show"/cancellation on her part, the gentleman has to start all over again at the last minute and ladies on TER with reputable backgrounds often do not accept "last minute" appointments.
I have tried the deposit route, and been burned on that too. Airplane tickets purchased and then the lady (ies) never got on the plane. TER will not allow a review unless you actually see the lady.. so no recourse there either.
Then there is the whole other can of worms of posting bad reviews. Post too many of those, and that would hurt one's ability to be approved for future appointments. (that is a whole different topic)
I don't know what the answer is, but since it seems most rampant in Vegas, I chalk it up to it is my form of gambling... better than house odds, but still a gamble. I am a firm believer that when one wins at this gamble... it is worth risking the odds.
Best of luck to all.. and to those who cancel.. karma's a bitch...
So there is nothing more frustrating than getting all dressed up, making the drive to the strip, arriving early and then the client emailing to say he can't make it due to his "boss" wanting him to join him for drinks etc.
And it wasn't just me... I had gone to the effort of arranging another person (a guy) to join as well. And that's not easy to do...
I understand last minute things come up but in that situation don't you think it would be courteous to at least offer some monetary compensation for the time? Not to mention the price of drinks when waiting for the person to show...
That's one thing about this 'job' that I find frustrating... as providers we take our commitments seriously and arrange our lives to meet those commitments...
I'm not usually one to 'bitch' but I am a busy person and it is frustrating to waste a whole evening and not be even offered compensation....
I feel it would be honorable for the person to at least offer something... what do you think???
I have paid up to an hour on cancellation fees BUT it was because "special" arrangements had been made. I was offered to take that off the next visit. One issue with this is the disclosure of the individuals (real names for drop off or pickup) and that can be a little difficult.
Very very last minute versus one hour, same day or 24 hour
Circumstances beyond your control, car accident, illness, death in the family, versus u changed my mind, over slept, chickened out.
Drink with your boss???? That might make you an hour late, but the whole evening??? And who schedules a date immediately after work? And your boss can demand your company in a moments notice, out of the blue? And you can't say "sorry but I have another important appointment, can we do breakfast? Or hey, I'm meeting a girl for a ménage a trio , want me to call and asked her to bring a friend? How do you feel about orgies?"
Also, would the cancellation fee be applied to a future date?
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A little while back, I had asked a provider whom I already seen if she wanted to do a short 1 hour afternoon session. Since she doesn’t do incalls, I said I could get us a hotel room and she just suggested that I save the money and she could come to my house instead. For her it is about a 70 mile round trip in not the best traffic in SD. Set the appointment for 4 pm.
I was in more than a moderate amount of pain that day, so I took some pain medication and decided to take a short nap. I never nap for more than 45 minutes. Looked at the clock and it was 2:12 pm. Woke up at 4:45 and ran downstairs to find messages on both my mobile and landline. From her, she wasn’t mad, just concerned and said she would wait at a local Starbucks until 4:30. Of course, she was on the road home when I called. She knocked, rang the phone and door bell and I slept through all of it.
I called her and told her I would make it up to her and she agreed to a 4 hour dinner date at a later date. We ended up having a great time and I was even lucky enough to be the first to do a specific sexual act to her.
I guess that won’t always be possible if guys and gals are traveling, but in this case it worked out well for both of us. I think that for guys that have to cancel this is one way that the situation can be mitigated somewhat….if the provider has the right attitude. Courtesy and civility can go a long way.
Some providers require money up front, but I have been burned by that so I won’t do it anymore.
I know if I would have done nothing to make it up to her she would have been upset, so I understand Kiwi’s position. There really is no clear solution other than asking for money up front or using some very good conflict resolution skills in the aftermath, and hopefully the hobbyist is capable of that, which probably usually isn’t the case.
The idea of applying the money for cancel to the next session seems pretty strong maybe.
That's a great approach. On a personal level, I would never pay upfront either. I did that once, the provider canceled on me ( a very reputable provider that I have seen multiple times before ) and to these days I still have not seen my money ( $1200 and it has been two years.. I have heard all kind of excuses.. from death in the family to being evicted to feeding her family and I know this is all BS... ).
I think that it goes both ways...and at the end of the day, it is the nature of the business.
I can't count how many times I've had providers leaving after 40mn, canceling last minute, being 1 hour late.. more recently I left the donation with the extra fee for greek in an envelop in the bathroom.. but we did not do greek afterall.. you would think that the provider would be honest and put the extra $300 back? That did not happen either and I am pretty sure she counted the money before she left.
I understand your frustration and don't get me wrong, I would never do this to a provider ( cancel at the very last minute ) but every line of work has its part of BS...
Set the guideline as far as a clear cancellation policy on her website.
I find that by having it in place it keeps the time wasters away first and foremost and if someone is really not sure about setting a specific time they have always met me and gave me a fee that's put towards when we can meet in the future.
As far as prepayment was mentioned above I have been paid 6 months in advance to hold a specific weekend for 4 years straight and never ever had a issue doing my part keeping the time.
Everyone dose things different and I think a lot of guys worry if they put a deposit that they will never see the $$ or the provider. That's not true for all , that isn't a smart way for a provider to conduct her business in that way.
Our word is all we have until we can show and prove.
That you have expressed your displeasure to the offending party . Hopefully he will tender a satisfactory stipend to assuage you displeasure .
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I agree it's a pretty rotten thing to happen to either side of the equation. I attend a couple of trade group conventions with my employer in Las Vegas every year. I have to say I have jumped through hoops lied to several bosses and company presidents and faked all kinds of illness and disasters to not cancel on a provider I may have booked several weeks in advance. Keep in mind that is who I am. Because of my record I get through screening with any provider i want to see and have had stellar experiences in Las Vegas, Thank you ladies. That being said, I think the ladies have to understand when you travel with your boss or your company as a group your time is not always your owe, especially when you have to entertain clients and get results. I think the responsibility goes both ways. One particular incident I can recall. I had a 7:00 PM. dinner date with a provider. As I am getting ready to go to the bar to meet my date at 6:45. I get a frantic call from my executive VP. telling me that my boss got a little too intoxicated after golf and was in no shape to meet with some high profile clients. I went to the bar explained the situation to my date, gave her a few $$ and told her the situation. We agreed to meet back at my room at 10 and start the date then. Everything went well she showed up we had a great time and to make it up to her I gave her free reign of the room service menu for a late dinner. When she left she thanked me for being an honest gentlemen. If everyone is fair and honest things work out better.
your full of shit and most likely a provider yourself! Get real and put on your big boy paints on!
Dude seems you should do the same since you posted under an alias
Alias! You might want to pull up your big boy paints too!
Cancellations are brutal from either perspective. I have been cancelled on in Vegas more than anyplace else. I realize how much time and energy it can take to prepare for a date, drive thru traffic and navigate the parking etc. To be cancelled on after all that is frustrating at best, and damn rude at worst. The other side is often similar too....
If one is flying into Vegas (or visiting any other town for that matter) and makes arrangements and clears screening prior to arrival and then gets "no showed" or cancelled, he too is in a bind. Options are limited for him too.
If one pre-contacts several ladies, and asks them to screen him, they are wasting their time (and the time of the references that he gives them) if he doesn't confirm the appointment. I have tried this approach, but the references that I gave told the prospective ladies that they had been contacted by another regarding the same dates, and I was then shut out/down as a time waster. (Or worse, when I contacted them for a subsequent trip, they would not even consider seeing me) So if only one lady is contacted and asked to screen, then there is a "no show"/cancellation on her part, the gentleman has to start all over again at the last minute and ladies on TER with reputable backgrounds often do not accept "last minute" appointments.
I have tried the deposit route, and been burned on that too. Airplane tickets purchased and then the lady (ies) never got on the plane. TER will not allow a review unless you actually see the lady.. so no recourse there either.
Then there is the whole other can of worms of posting bad reviews. Post too many of those, and that would hurt one's ability to be approved for future appointments. (that is a whole different topic)
I don't know what the answer is, but since it seems most rampant in Vegas, I chalk it up to it is my form of gambling... better than house odds, but still a gamble. I am a firm believer that when one wins at this gamble... it is worth risking the odds.
Best of luck to all.. and to those who cancel.. karma's a bitch...
She called late the night before, had the monthly visitor. I put up an ISO at 4 in the morning. By 10:30 the next day I had two tags on the post, 5 PMs, 2 text messages and a phone call.
I don't have any problem getting dates in LV.
It's like pussy heaven.
I have never had to cancel an appointment although I have missed a lady due to a mutual lack of communication. I was a situation where she ran late, I was waiting in the lobby and she arrived at the time I decided to go upstairs and call her again. She did not ask for a cancelation fee and under the circumstances, I probably would not have paid it.
That said, I believe that both the ladies and the gents are owed something for a last minute cancelation.
If the lady had a scheduled 2 hour appointment, I think an appropriate settlement would be a one-hour fee with perhaps an offer of an additional hour at the next appointment. That way the lady has some compensation and the onus is on the gent to schedule an appointment in the future.
If the lady needs to cancel, I think referring an associate to substitute is a wonderful thing or, in keeping with the above paragraph, offering the gent a free hour on a future engagement.
In any event, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. I think asking for such compensation is reasonable and appropriate, provided the lady is gracious in asking.
when someone cancels in less than 24 hours they get a bill. I'm not sure how you would collect since you dont get paid in advance.
And it wasn't just me... I had gone to the effort of arranging another person (a guy) to join as well. And that's not easy to do...
I understand last minute things come up but in that situation don't you think it would be courteous to at least offer some monetary compensation for the time? Not to mention the price of drinks when waiting for the person to show...
That's one thing about this 'job' that I find frustrating... as providers we take our commitments seriously and arrange our lives to meet those commitments...
I'm not usually one to 'bitch' but I am a busy person and it is frustrating to waste a whole evening and not be even offered compensation....
I feel it would be honorable for the person to at least offer something... what do you think???