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I agree with what Jayalee says. Never ever assume OTC or expect it. It has happened for me and alternatively I have had ladies "hang out" in the bathroom for the last half hour of a two hour date because we weren't clicking all that well.
I always buy all drinks and dinner and I always ask a girl what she would like to drink before our date and have it in the room in ample supply.
One that I know always shows up hungry and always says that she will pay for her dinner and it's not on the clock. No way am I okay with that 
Dinner and drink are on me always! The OTC part is okay though.
I was with one girl shopping in a high end casino mall and I stopped to look at a shirt. She picked it up and bought it for me. It was a t shirt. It cost $134!
I was with a girl and the date was over and she wanted to gamble but I wasn't into it that night but went down to the casino with her antway. We go to the roulette table and she chips me up for $100.
All I am saying is different things can happen sometimes. If you are with a girl and it is working and want more time, just ask. Most likely she will be flattered.
My question is for when a lady asks me if I want to turn it into an overnighter. Would that be considered an upsell? I felt kind of uncomfortable once.
BTW, overnighters rock! When that clock element is completely eliminated, I do so much better and have such a better time. Not only that but you get to have your arms wrapped around a honey all night!
No,it is not bad etiquette to ask for more time if you and a provider hit it off and you wanted to spend more time with her.It does not hurt to ask she might have time available or might have something to do after the appointment.But,it is bad etiquette to expect more time without paying.
If you want to take a provider to dinner then expect to pay her dinner date rate or whatever her rate is for those hours you will spend together.
So,even if you extend your date you have already researched a provider's website or ads to see what her rates are.If you choose to extend let her know you are not sure on what the additional rate would be if you are not sure.
If you have dinner and play afterward or vice versa I don't quite understand your question on how do you approach cost?If a dinner date is what you have in mind look on her website to see if she offers a discounted rate for dinner some providers do this.
I have had many gents extend their time a few were not sure on my rate but most remembered from my website.
Drinks and dinner are two great ways to get acquainted with new friends
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I agree with what Jayalee says. Never ever assume OTC or expect it. It has happened for me and alternatively I have had ladies "hang out" in the bathroom for the last half hour of a two hour date because we weren't clicking all that well.
I always buy all drinks and dinner and I always ask a girl what she would like to drink before our date and have it in the room in ample supply.
One that I know always shows up hungry and always says that she will pay for her dinner and it's not on the clock. No way am I okay with that Dinner and drink are on me always! The OTC part is okay though.
I was with one girl shopping in a high end casino mall and I stopped to look at a shirt. She picked it up and bought it for me. It was a t shirt. It cost $134!
I was with a girl and the date was over and she wanted to gamble but I wasn't into it that night but went down to the casino with her antway. We go to the roulette table and she chips me up for $100.
All I am saying is different things can happen sometimes. If you are with a girl and it is working and want more time, just ask. Most likely she will be flattered.
My question is for when a lady asks me if I want to turn it into an overnighter. Would that be considered an upsell? I felt kind of uncomfortable once.
BTW, overnighters rock! When that clock element is completely eliminated, I do so much better and have such a better time. Not only that but you get to have your arms wrapped around a honey all night!
Disclaimer - while I am answering to the original poster , my answer is for anyone reading this post and wondering the same thing.
So when I say "YOU" it isn't directed to OP , it is for anyone that has these same questions or is wondering about etiquette.
Many times I had Gents extended dates with me.
Nothing to be shy about.
Nothing wrong with asking a lady if she wants to and has the time to extended the appointment.
Maybe she would like too but can't ....... it isn't always because she has another appointment.
We have lives too. There can be many reasons why yes or why no .... The lady doesn't have to explain herself , why.
Her answer will be yes or no or I would love too but sorry I can't this time , hope we can take a raincheck.
Whatever the answer is . No need to take it personally if it isn't the answer you wanted to hear.
OK ? 
SO lets say you wanted to extended the hour to a dinner date be sure to say -
I would like to extend our time to a dinner date .
DO NOT say - So , can I buy you dinner ? ......... That makes it sound like you are expecting OTC.
If you don't remember or don't know the ladies donation for the dinner date. ( no your not expected to have that info memorized )
No need to be shy. Just ask politely - Could you remind me of your donation for a dinner date.?
If the lady gets upset that you are asking ....... I think you should pass on extending your time with her.
If she doesn't get that you need to ask this , then she is the one with the problem.
Once she tells you the donation - be a gentleman , get your ass up at that moment and place rest of donations on the dresser or where ever she asked you to leave original donation.
She shouldn't have to ask you for it or wonder for the rest of the date if you have it.
I knew a lady ( no it was not me. In case you haven't noticed , I don't have a problem speaking my mind LOL LOL
Anyways she wanted to be "cool" so she didn't ask the guy to give donation upfront.
at the end of the session he pulled out a credit card .
She doesn't except credit cards . and he knew that .
He was trying to pretend - Oh I thought for such a larger amount you would except Credit Cards .
Really ?? Talk about a lame excuse.
Of course he said he would give her money later , but he never did..........but that is a whole other post.
After you leave the donation then simply ask. What do you prefer to do ? Go to dinner now and come back . Or finish here and then go to dinner . Maybe you prefer room service ? Or- I am open to suggestions how you would like to continue or extended meeting.
Each lady is different. so just ask , be polite and you will get your answers no problem.
If she says - what would you like ? Just communicate what you are thinking and what you want.
It is very simple and easy.
Communicate - we are not mind readers.
Communicate so later you don't have to bitch you were disappointed cause you didn't get what you wanted or expected .......... oops sorry getting a bit side tracked again .
Not sure why one would think it isn't proper to ask to extend time ? That is a compliment.
It means you are having a great time and want to spend more time with her.
Of course if you were thinking or expecting OTC , then that is insulting.
If a lady chooses to give you OTC , that is HER choice. Not for you to expect.
A dinner date is exactly what it means . You are paying for her time .
part of that time will be at dinner , the other part will be whatever you chose to do.
Lets say you had an hour of playtime then want to go to dinner then back for more play time .....
no problem dinner dates are usually at least 4 hours .
My dinner date packages are 5 hours long.
So you have plenty of time.
but if you ( or any guy ) think it's ok to book an hour , expect the lady to go to dinner with you then you will book her for another hour after the dinner....... no that is not acceptable , unless that is something she offers you.
It's ok , if you ( or any guy ) doesn't want to pay for a ladies time while at dinner.
Then no need to book a dinner date.
Just book bedroom time and then book her another day or time for more bedroom time.
What you ( and anyone else who is wondering ) needs to remember,
this is how we pay our bills, This is a business.
For all those guys who brag about the OTC ( I am not talking about extra time , or special discounts that maybe are offered to regulars or for very extended appointments )
Rest assure there is a reason behind everything.
If a lady just wanted to hang out with a guy she likes , she will put her ad on a dating site , not escorting site.
Any gent I knew that got from a lady OTC ,cost him in the long run so much more or so much drama was involved. why ? because OTC causes lines to get crossed.
When lines get crossed, it causes problems.
The whole point of "paying for a ladies time" is to have a fun time , no strings attached , no drama.
As Charlie Sheen has said - I am not paying for sex , I am paying for her to leave.
He got that right . LOL LOL LOL
Hope my 101 introductory course to proper etiquette has helped you understand a bit more.
I also offer private lessons
xoxo CindySpice
Was not sure how to bring up the topic after a session is "complete".
I am a pretty generous person and never expect anything for free, although the free coffee I just got for my birthday from Dunkins Donuts was nice.
I was just trying to figure out the "ground rules" to make sure asking for additional time, activities (drinks, dinner, lunch, breakfast) is acceptable.
Still shy here and I know I am TOTALLY over thinking this. I guess that is why sites like this are useful and help educate us.
I don't ever suggest that OTC is available for asking. Nor do I suggest that buying dinner and drinks is compensation for anything. That is born entirely out of being, or trying to be, a chilveres. If you are with me, you get my donation and you don't have to pay for drinks or dinner. There are no "extra" expectations from me because of that. I may pay for your time at dinner and I may not, it depends on the lady.
I don't want a partner to have to haul a bottle of wine up to the room in heels because she wants a drink as a precursor. So I always ask what she likes. I have found most of these girls like to have a few drinks, especially if it is their favorite. Just trying to be a gent.
I won't expect a lady to pay for anything, but when it does happen in the way of gifts, it is a nice surprise that may keep that a "not so bad guy" to coming back for more.
Andrew, the key here is to ask what the expectations are during the date set up process. Ask her what she expects in terms of date length and compensation and then ask her what the expectations are for anything after that. This works WAY better after the first date, or at least it has for me.
Cindy is correct here, communication is key. Know exactly what the expectations are and conversely, make sure she understands them to. If not, it can get ugly in a quick way and leave you wondering if it was worth it.
I only had one instance of "crossing the line" OTC type boundaries where it caused drama and cost overages..and many that didn't and many of those are not partners but still friends. I have not had the same experience that maybe Cindy has or has seen in others.
I always go by the locked eyes and how that deep kiss works as a barometer of where things should go. I will say, I have gotten the most passionate, honest and sensual kisses from girls in this biz. When that alone happens, it might be a time to think about some date extension.
You just gotta play it by instinct...but for first dates I suggest staying away from extended dates unless the first act is really "Stellar" (incubus reference)
I went to this place called the “Black Angus” in San Juan in 1984 for my first. I don’t review much but I know a thing or two.
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Regarding costing so much more, problems and drama I am not talking from personal experience.
This is from what Gents/ladies have told me or they came to me looking for advice ........ how I got the nickname spice advice
I would never let lines be crossed. I have no reason for that.
but I am also not looking for a Gent to loan me money (just ONE example of problems and drama that has happened to gents who got OTC )
Clients who spend time with me understand and know the line.
They understand why they are spending time with me , and they aren't trying to date me.
They understand the the nature of our special friendship and never try to abuse it.
That is why I have many many many long time regulars even after so many years.
Never No drama , no problems or issues with me ....... only fun fun fun .
OTC is usually a gateway to issues ...... well not talking from personal experience , but talking from plenty of knowledge of personal stories I have heard and seen from others.
OTC doesn't mean that special friendship is more special then a lady who doesn't give OTC.
I have very special friendships with many of my regulars and they didn't get OTC , nor did they even ever want that from me.
Even when I sometimes wanted to give some very long time regulars OTC just as an appreciation for seeing me for so so many years , They refused, as they felt I have already given them so much and I haven't raised my rates...... even though cost of living ( food , gas, advertising , electricity , water ect ) is way more then it used to be.
meaning money I make doesn't going as far .
ME , my services is already appreciated by them .
Every time they see me, I make them feel special .
Now lets make it clear what OTC is - Not talking about someone who stayed a bit over her time
not talking about someone who booked an overnight and the lady was suppose to leave at 6:00 am
but decided to stay for breakfast and only left around 10:00 am.
I am talking about stuff like ,-
It's first time meeting ( Key word first time meeting ) , gent books an hour then when the hour is up Gents want to go to dinner without paying for a dinner date
Or the Gent booked an hour , she spent the night.
Gent booked a 24 hour , she stayed 3 full days no extra charge.
Gent booked her ONCE for an hour next time she meets Gent just to have lunch. and then Gent also takes her to a show but you didn't pay her anything this time .
misterJJJ ,I never said nor did I imply you expect a lady to give you OTC.
Just because you posted in the thread ,..... well not everything is about you !
As I mentioned my comments are for anyone thinking or wondering about etiquette .
Where you wondering about etiquette ?
All the Gents ( well at least any gent I have ever met) are ALL chivalrous gentleman. kind and thoughtful
always offer if there is something I want to drink or eat while I am in the room.
If it is a 2 hour meeting ,I politely decline as I tell them , we only have 2 hours ..... so much to do , so little time *wink wink*........don't want to waste the time drinking and eating ......... right ?
If they want to eat and drink with me , that is when they book a dinner date.
but ok each to his own and how they want to spend their time......... but some (not my clients , not you , but you know who you are ) later bitch in a review or post or back channel about time being wasted mostly on talking and drinking.
point is - if you ( not you personally misterJJJ , this is to anyone ) want to have drinks and dinner with a lady, you book a dinner date. period. That is what a dinner date is for.
If a lady wants for whatever reasons to offer the "time in restaurant" off the clock then she will let you know.......but that is up to the lady and never ever for the gent just to expect.
oops will have to continue as part two ...........
I don't want a partner to have to haul a bottle of wine up to the room in heels because she wants a drink as a precursor. So I always ask what she likes. I have found most of these girls like to have a few drinks, especially if it is their favorite. Just trying to be a gent.
I won't expect a lady to pay for anything, but when it does happen in the way of gifts, it is a nice surprise that may keep that a "not so bad guy" to coming back for more.
Andrew, the key here is to ask what the expectations are during the date set up process. Ask her what she expects in terms of date length and compensation and then ask her what the expectations are for anything after that. This works WAY better after the first date, or at least it has for me.
Cindy is correct here, communication is key. Know exactly what the expectations are and conversely, make sure she understands them to. If not, it can get ugly in a quick way and leave you wondering if it was worth it.
I only had one instance of "crossing the line" OTC type boundaries where it caused drama and cost overages..and many that didn't and many of those are not partners but still friends. I have not had the same experience that maybe Cindy has or has seen in others.
I always go by the locked eyes and how that deep kiss works as a barometer of where things should go. I will say, I have gotten the most passionate, honest and sensual kisses from girls in this biz. When that alone happens, it might be a time to think about some date extension.
You just gotta play it by instinct...but for first dates I suggest staying away from extended dates unless the first act is really "Stellar" (incubus reference)
-- Modified on 8/31/2012 5:09:29 PM
So when I say "YOU" it isn't directed to OP , it is for anyone that has these same questions or is wondering about etiquette.
Many times I had Gents extended dates with me.
Nothing to be shy about.
Nothing wrong with asking a lady if she wants to and has the time to extended the appointment.
Maybe she would like too but can't ....... it isn't always because she has another appointment.
We have lives too. There can be many reasons why yes or why no .... The lady doesn't have to explain herself , why.
Her answer will be yes or no or I would love too but sorry I can't this time , hope we can take a raincheck.
Whatever the answer is . No need to take it personally if it isn't the answer you wanted to hear.
OK ?
SO lets say you wanted to extended the hour to a dinner date be sure to say -
I would like to extend our time to a dinner date .
DO NOT say - So , can I buy you dinner ? ......... That makes it sound like you are expecting OTC.
If you don't remember or don't know the ladies donation for the dinner date. ( no your not expected to have that info memorized )
No need to be shy. Just ask politely - Could you remind me of your donation for a dinner date.?
If the lady gets upset that you are asking ....... I think you should pass on extending your time with her.
If she doesn't get that you need to ask this , then she is the one with the problem.
Once she tells you the donation - be a gentleman , get your ass up at that moment and place rest of donations on the dresser or where ever she asked you to leave original donation.
She shouldn't have to ask you for it or wonder for the rest of the date if you have it.
I knew a lady ( no it was not me. In case you haven't noticed , I don't have a problem speaking my mind LOL LOL
Anyways she wanted to be "cool" so she didn't ask the guy to give donation upfront.
at the end of the session he pulled out a credit card .
She doesn't except credit cards . and he knew that .
He was trying to pretend - Oh I thought for such a larger amount you would except Credit Cards .
Really ?? Talk about a lame excuse.
Of course he said he would give her money later , but he never did..........but that is a whole other post.
After you leave the donation then simply ask. What do you prefer to do ? Go to dinner now and come back . Or finish here and then go to dinner . Maybe you prefer room service ? Or- I am open to suggestions how you would like to continue or extended meeting.
Each lady is different. so just ask , be polite and you will get your answers no problem.
If she says - what would you like ? Just communicate what you are thinking and what you want.
It is very simple and easy.
Communicate - we are not mind readers.
Communicate so later you don't have to bitch you were disappointed cause you didn't get what you wanted or expected .......... oops sorry getting a bit side tracked again .
Not sure why one would think it isn't proper to ask to extend time ? That is a compliment.
It means you are having a great time and want to spend more time with her.
Of course if you were thinking or expecting OTC , then that is insulting.
If a lady chooses to give you OTC , that is HER choice. Not for you to expect.
A dinner date is exactly what it means . You are paying for her time .
part of that time will be at dinner , the other part will be whatever you chose to do.
Lets say you had an hour of playtime then want to go to dinner then back for more play time .....
no problem dinner dates are usually at least 4 hours .
My dinner date packages are 5 hours long.
So you have plenty of time.
but if you ( or any guy ) think it's ok to book an hour , expect the lady to go to dinner with you then you will book her for another hour after the dinner....... no that is not acceptable , unless that is something she offers you.
It's ok , if you ( or any guy ) doesn't want to pay for a ladies time while at dinner.
Then no need to book a dinner date.
Just book bedroom time and then book her another day or time for more bedroom time.
What you ( and anyone else who is wondering ) needs to remember,
this is how we pay our bills, This is a business.
For all those guys who brag about the OTC ( I am not talking about extra time , or special discounts that maybe are offered to regulars or for very extended appointments )
Rest assure there is a reason behind everything.
If a lady just wanted to hang out with a guy she likes , she will put her ad on a dating site , not escorting site.
Any gent I knew that got from a lady OTC ,cost him in the long run so much more or so much drama was involved. why ? because OTC causes lines to get crossed.
When lines get crossed, it causes problems.
The whole point of "paying for a ladies time" is to have a fun time , no strings attached , no drama.
As Charlie Sheen has said - I am not paying for sex , I am paying for her to leave.
He got that right . LOL LOL LOL
Hope my 101 introductory course to proper etiquette has helped you understand a bit more.
I also offer private lessons
xoxo CindySpice
Was not sure how to bring up the topic after a session is "complete".
I am a pretty generous person and never expect anything for free, although the free coffee I just got for my birthday from Dunkins Donuts was nice.
I was just trying to figure out the "ground rules" to make sure asking for additional time, activities (drinks, dinner, lunch, breakfast) is acceptable.
Still shy here and I know I am TOTALLY over thinking this. I guess that is why sites like this are useful and help educate us.
Incase you missed it in my other post ( my deal , my story ) ..... your welcome
xoxo CindySpice
It certainly helped me understand.
And very eloquently put I must say.
Thank you Ms Spice.
So much to say ....... so little room LOL LOL LOL
Ok part two -
Now one question I do have for you misterjjj as I am confused you say and I quote -
"I only had one instance of "crossing the line" OTC type boundaries where it caused drama and cost overages..and many that didn't and many of those are not partners but still friends. I have not had the same experience that maybe Cindy has or has seen in others."
SO you did have one experience that I described ( not my personal experience ,) but experiences I have seen and heard about . That one OTC type you say caused drama and cost overages ..........umm that is what I said - It only takes ONE.
it doesn't have to be every OTC .
and the rest of your OTC what does that mean - "many of those are not partner but still friends "??
"and many didn't "........ well, maybe not yet
but boy for one guy you sure have many many many OTC ........ just an observation
Maybe we are defining OTC different ways.
Anyways even the guys who wont admit that their OTC dates usually end sooner or later bad ...............can say what they want ,we know the truth .
Just like the guy that always wins gambling, but just never gets to tell the stories of his losses.
I have had many pre-booked longer dates they all went very very well. I don't need to kiss someone to tell how it will go . I already know how it will go before I even get to my date ....... but that's me
Each to his own.
I am saying it is ok to book an hour and ask to extend if your enjoying and want to continue longer..........you'll just have to hope she has the time to extended or take a raincheck for another time.
The reason I got into long post about OTC is because it seems many newbies are reading these forms and getting the impression that OTC is normal , or maybe even to be expected...... because they read about it or had some other lady offer it.
but again they are reading just one side of the story ....... so I am here to paint them the other side. ...........well if I won't do it , who will *wink wink*
and that's from the Spice Advise
Cut it up however you want. I may have had some experiences far from the norm. Newbies won't read this so it doesn't matter; it will be buried in 3 weeks in the forum (form, in your words). And Andy is not a newbie, just plays one on TV
And fucking chill girl!! Really, with all that contentiousness..constantly? What up?, let's hear your "story"
I think I just got lucky with OTC stuff, YMMV..haha!
Sweetie I am very chilled.
My deal ? My deal is- I call it like I see it and not afraid to say it.
Others can sit back and think it , I'm not afraid to say it.
But some people can't handle the truth so they try to distract with other things ......really ??? that is what you want to focus on ??that I wrote "form " instead of "forum"
Although I do appreciate you pointing that out cause how else would I know and learn?...... But English is my 5th language ......what is your excuses ?
I wasn't going to point it out , but since you are sooooo into spelling , thought you might want to check yours -Chilveres ......
Ummm it's spelled Chivalrous. Or did you mean chivalry ??? Or is there a new word I don't know ....
Yep , so don't even try going there with me ...but you started it, So right back at you "wink wink".
Also I was answering Andrew's post but you chose to comment a post I made .....which sparked another response from me ......well last i checked this is a discussion board , So i am discussing BUT , If you can't handle the heat , you can get out of the kitchen ........
Maybe I am missing something here, but I recall Andrew saying he is still a newbie ...sorry your joke went over my dumb blond head
So three weeks till this post gets buried In this FORUM??
Plenty of time for newbies to see this post .....and if only ONE sees it , great then ONE more learned how things work .
Now no need to respond to my post, well that is if you don't want to read more of my contentiousness constant posts ......come on you know everyone has their popcorn out being entertained by my contentiousness constant posts...... I love to entertain people , so I am being entertaining "wink wink" .......at least I am being honest while I am doing it
Now ,just nod your head , roll your eyes and say to yourself - yikes maybe I shouldn't challenge Cindy because she isn't afraid to speak her mind.
No worries sweetie all is chill and good. Just making my point .....and women always like to have the last word ........ oh wait ,the man likes to have the last word ..... Wife says - take out the garbage . Husband says - Yes dear .......LOL LOL LOL
So that's my deal
Peace , Love and Happiness to you.
xoxo CindySpice
And fucking chill girl!! Really, with all that contentiousness..constantly? What up?, let's hear your "story"
I think I just got lucky with OTC stuff, YMMV..haha!
I was going to let it go ...... but since you insist on asking and wondering and since you do not get it ...... I'll try to explain -
my post isn't filled with negativity and conflicting ....... sorry you see it that way ....... I was just stating the truth and telling it like it is.
Last I checked smiley faces do not mean negative ....... Maybe you just don't get my sense of humor and style......... that's ok, it isn't for everyone.
Just like Howard Stern , or you love him or you don't get him and you don't like him ....... YOU not is in YOU personally .... You as in just anyone.
to quote what he once said -
"things I do or say are misunderstood , hey after all being misunderstood is the fate of all true geniuses , is it not? "
Just saying , what he said ........ how many smiley faces does one need to put in text so it means I am being funny.....or trying to be funny ..... but I can see the ones who are reading this and think it is funny ......even if you don't want to raise your hands
Hey you brought up my spelling mistake first . If you wanted to be Chivalrous you could have PM'd me in private to let me know my error.
So what was your point making that comment in public ?? Isn't that passive/aggressive.
What weirdness at the end of my diatribe are you talking about ??
You mean saying - peace love and happiness ??
Peace , Love and happiness xoxo is very honest not something just pro forma standard message end.
It means regardless our differences and your passive aggressive comments to me I am not mad at you or hold anything against you.
It isn't about trying to make you happy ...... It's about letting you know in the end no matter what is said - no hard feelings.
Just because we don't agree on something, or you don't like my answers/posts doesn't mean I am wishing on you bad things........
therefor in the end I say peace , love and happiness ...........
Sorry I don't find that weird. What can I say - sorry if you do find it weird.
I used the wrong word , I thought story meant also deal ....... like my story , my deal ........in my translation it means the same thing ........
guess that can be a problem when one thinks in one language and has to type in another language
I guess words get lost in translation LOL LOL Or you are to hung up on words and their literal meaning.
My story is my deal . Can you get that ? My story is I have no problem telling it like it is and yes I spice it up with a sense of humor that not everyone gets ...... but that's who I am.
I never pretend to be something I am not because someone isn't going to like what I have to say.
But I guess the truth hurts so that is why you ( again not you literally , you as in any person who is reading the post ) may see my post as passive aggressive rather then informative and funny.
btw , sorry to disappoint you - there is no rough story . and even if there was I don't believe gents who are looking to have a fun time want to be dragged down with personal problems.
Does a gents hire an escort to hear her sob story ? well, each to his own .
I became an escort because I love and enjoy what I do. Not because I am looking to be saved.
Yes I am here for my gents physically and emotionally....... That is part what a courtesan is .
I am whatever the gents needs me to be. Bedroom fun , talking , advise , whatever it is that he needs . .........connections , friendships can still happen while OTC ( ON The Clock)
Doesn't mean I don't care about my gents or that they don't care about me........... OffTC isn't the sole way to show care , concern and connection to people.
Maybe it is for you ( Yes now I mean you literally ) then we can agree to disagree .........but I still stand by my statement from seeing and hearing other peoples problems that OTC in the end most likely leads to problems.
It is what it is, whatever you want to admit to that or not. No need to shoot the messenger who is willing to tell the other side of the story.
Now I didn't want to drag Andrew into this , but you leave me no choice since you brought it up ....... are you saying Andrew lied in his post and he is saying things that are not true. ?!?!?!?
That he is pretending to be a newbie ,when he is not ?!?!?!?
OMG there are people posting things that are not true ??? Hmmmm are there other posts we shouldn't believe.........
BTW this is me being sarcastic to make a point . Who ever gets what I mean , gets it .
Whoever doesn't get it , doesn't .
If it is something true about the person reading this, then that is what gets them pissed . ( to answer your question Laffy , that's why they get pissed ,the truth hurts and they can't handle the truth. )
I don't know Andrew and it doesn't matter if he is a newbie or not.
my answer was for any newbie reading my posts. Not just for Andrew.
As it turns out my post helped some here ( Thank you John_UK ) and many others who just lurk ( thanks for your private emails , Glad I can help ) .
So turns out , my work here is done My purpose was served
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it ........ no need to analyze every word I say
Just keeping it light and fun
xoxo CindySpice
Lots of good OTC experiences for me, but yes, ultimately I usually do pay. I spent 4 hours with a hotty on wednesday night at an upscale downtown SD hotel. I am out 4 bills and she had a great time. Here's what she said via email...
" I dig you too. Here's the thing with being a provider. Sometimes a girl will meet a guy that it way outside of the typical hobbyist. You are definitely that guy."
Andrew plays it down because he is a very nice guy. He knows way more than he lets on to.
Bottom line, I always pay for dinner and drinks and expect nothing in return. If a girl buys me gifts or pays for my gambling, I am flattered but it is not expected. I won't ask for OTC or discounts, but if it is offered, I have little issues with taking it.
The girls I choose to be with are very, VERY carefully selected. I don't enter into any of this without very careful thought. Because of that, sometimes I am rewarded in ways that others are not. All of the TER women that I have been with know that I will drive or jump on a plane to help them whenever they need. I make that very clear to them. They see it as sincere, so maybe I get some OTC as a result.
I am as single as fuck and never had a wife nor do I really want one..no idea what that weirdness at the end of your diatribe was about.
I asked for your story, not your "deal". The story might be rough, so thanks for not dispalying it.
Anyhoo...I know it is taboo to talk about OTC stuff. Connections happen, friends are made and the business element does go away sometimes. It's all in the moment and can't be planned.
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Andrew , there is nothing that you need to be sorry about.
SO a passionate discussion came from your OP ( well it is a discussion board ) and it helped other people learn new things...........Isn't that the whole point of having a discussion board ??
It wouldn't matter how you would have phrased your question , the outcome would have been the same.
and just because we may not be all in agreement about things doesn't mean we are angry or mean .......well at least I am not.
Regardless , I can't speak for others , but I am always having fun , enjoying life and enjoying Vegas and all the wonderful Gents that come to have fun .
So no worries , it's all good.
You and anyone are always welcome to ask questions they have ..... newbie or not it doesn't matter.
Just be prepared to get a straight up honest answer not just what you want to hear.
Cause my style isn't telling people what they want to hear or to pretend to be something I am not.
People will always here from me , what other people don't want to say or tell.
No I don't sugarcoat my answers , and I don't apologize for that ........
Think like how Simon Cowell is ( From American Idol and X factor ) ...... some think he is mean and an ass ..... I think he is just blunt , direct and honest with a witty sarcastic sense of humor that makes me laugh..........I am the Simon Cowell of hookers ........LOL LOL LOL
If someone can't handle that , they don't need to read what I have to say.
xoxo CindySpice
I think all of us here, have worked, do work and are working - we all expect to be compensated...i would expect no different.
Thank you all for your input - I probably could have phrased my questions better, sorry.
Everyone be safe out there and enjoy life, enjoy Vegas.
Thanks to those that have PM'd me that have had solid relationships with providers and have had off the clock favors. In this industry there are the providers that are cold or business like or truly compassionate. Somtimes a combination, but not always.
Your chances of having an off the clock experience are rare, but be assured that if the personalitles are right, they can occur.
I tell it like it is, or at least how it has been for me. Grey area abounds. Off the clock can happan without discord afterwards. Off the clock can happen with discord afterwards. There are no absolutes.
I have enjoyed the providers that I have ended up in relationships with. They know I would do anything for them because I have bluntly stated that. I get Christmas cards from two escorts that I ended up dating and both of them retiring with me in the 90's every year. I know it's rare, but it does happen. I am even linkedin with two former providers that were UTR.
Again, no absolutes but I tell it like it is also. Nearly all the time you pay and go and that's it. Sometimes, for certain people, it's goes beyond that.
So pay for drinks and dinner and don't allow her to ever do it, or expect or ask for off the clock....I think that was my whole point in jumping in here
What a fucking trainwreck.
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