Despite the thread below -- yikes! -- here goes: I have two tickets -- they are $1200 face value -- plus two tickets to the (no doubt star-studded) HBO afterparty.  I'm flying in Saturday afternoon and staying overnight. Is any LV provider interested in a trade?  If you're interested in doing a little hobnobbing, and are confortable in social situations such as these, please respond and leave me your email address or other contact info.  No long speeches, please.  I have already read the posts below.  I am making a simple proposition -- value for value -- to someone who might appreciate it.  I don't expect a throng of women to throw themselves at me for this opportunity, but perhaps one person might want to take me up on the offer.

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-- Modified on 9/11/2003 5:56:13 PM

uh-oh, Lass is going to kick this dudes' ass!

Just like the other thread this is the wrong place for this.  If you want to attempt to do this I would suggest you contact some ladies and see if they are interested in this.  This is not a dating board; we don't ask them to contact us; we contact them.

Gee, I'm sorry, I thought this was a discussion board.  Are providers the only people who may start a thread, ask a question, or otherwise make an offer?  Besides, this is no more asking for a date than any other arrangement that is heralded on this board.  It is value for value.  Aside from the face value of the ticket, the party is an invitation-only affair.  I'm not saying this is a freakin' coronation, but someone out there might give it more value than you apparently do.

Likewise, I'm not suggesting this is the only way I would meet or have met providers.  But several providers have offered alternative scenarios, such as no-strings, pre-date get-togethers over drinks, and although I have never availed myself of this, many offer barter arrangements for things such as legal work or computer design work.

And as for contacting the ladies directly, it simply makes no sense to take the time and expend the effort to contact multiple providers independently when a vehicle such as this exists.  If they are interested, they can let me know, if not, I can take someone else.  It was just a thought, merely one possibility -- but still a sincere offer.

Sorry I just can't resist anymore

When my mortgage and car payments are due I will just tell the company .......well I don't have money because I got to see a $1200 fight and I went to an after party and  a concert too .
But oh , guess what ? The guy had a room all PAID for . PAID IN FULL for a room in Las Vegas for the weekend .... WOW How LUCKY can I get !!
and I was offered to order ANYTHING I want from room service , or was he going to take me out to a restaurant and pay for my dinner ..... WOW how lucky can a girl get !?!?!?!?


Yeah I know , there I go with my sarcasm

HMMM Now my taxes are due , but I have no money because all these great guys are willing to take me out on a fun night on the town .. ... for tickets or exchange services
I wonder would the IRS be willing to exchange services with me instead of my payment  ??? Does anyone have a number for that ??  LOL LOL LOL LOL


Guys if I wanted to go to a concert , or go anywhere ( show , fight , restaurant , club , sailing , Skydiving  WHEREVER )  do you think it will be hard for me to find someone who would be willing to do so for free ??  
All I have to do is go on any Singles site like  Match.com  or Yahoo.com or SinglesAmerica.com  or Love.com , or Dating.com or .......... I can sit here and list over 10 pages of sites like that  filled with  guys who will be more then willing to go on "free" dates and all they have to do is pay for the "ticket"  not for my time ........

Well then why am I working as an escort in the first place ! ???????


I think some people are losing perspective on what this site is all about . Maybe TER should change their name to SDER ( Singles Date  Exchange Review)
This  is like when I get a guy who finds me on  ESCORT ADVERTISING site emails me and says ....... "You know you are really pretty  , I really want to get to know you . I will not pay to meet you , but can we hang out sometime ??? "  
Yes I do get emails like that sometimes ..................well HELLO  Did you forget where you found me  ?? am I on a dating site ???  Hello this is where I advertise my business !! If I just wanted to find people to "hang out" with well all I have to do is find them on the net on those "dating sites" or just go to a bar !

Yeah I know free country , post what you want . Hey can't blame a guy for trying .............. but this is really getting old ;-(
The world has moved on to use money for services and goods !
we don't live in the old age before money was around when people traded their services for goods or services for services , or goods for goods .........
BTW does anyone have a number for how I can get a Mercedes in exchange for my services ?? Chances probably not ........... but hey why not try you never know LOL LOL LOL

Not slamming anyone , Just my 2 cents ......... Peace and God Bless America !
xoxo CindySpice

may still not be the best board, but this is for great seats at a sold out high dollar event with bonus blingbling party, as opposed to 'a concert in October'. This dude's offer has game. If I was him tho, I'd a left an e-mail addy so the ladies don't have to publicly respond.

You folks are getting a bit bitter here. I know for a fact that providers have asked if anyone had tickets to a special event and were willing to do trades or discount. One time someone had tickets for the Academy Awards and there were a number of interested ladies.

If you are not interested, then great. But what is with all the hatchet work on the guy just because he is offering? The previous thread was bad enough and I agreed to a certain extent but this was approached in a different manner and with respect. He isn't looking for a date. This is a matter of barter.

Some of you people should try rereading the paragraph that appears at the top of all the discussion boards. If this board starts developing cliches, then I will start monitoring posts on more people. The boards are for fun, exchanging information and ideas, and generally sharing. If it starts becoming about personal attacks I will take a heavier hand.

Re:Sorry I just can't resist anymore

I assume this tirade when translated means that Ms. Spice respectfully declines the offer.  Did find it very insightful of her thought process and that's entertaining.

I would take him up on the offer but I wouldn't trade "services". I would go to the party, enjoy dinner, partake in the great fight and wouldn't be going to anyone's room. But I'd be networking at that party so I have my ulterior motives.

HB

This is how LE gets ladies.  When I want to set up a date with a lady I take the time, find out about her, contact them talk to them and set up a date.  If I can do it so can you. Once again this is not a place to ask for dates.  On another site the delete message like this.

"many offer barter arrangements for things such as legal work or computer design work."

I never actually heard of a lady here in Vegas who bartered her services for legal work .........but I don't know everything

And yes some ladies have bartered their services for design work and from what I hear they are VERY  VERY sorry they did that  !!!

I pay for what I want and need .

And yes maybe ladies met with you for drinks and dinner with "no strings attached" but trust me when I say I am sure they had some motive behind that .

I know quite a few who do that , hoping it will later turn into an appointment and in most cases it does . Not trying to be mean or hurtful to anyone , just being realistic .


It is just like the scenario - Oh the stripper really really likes me , she even gave me her number ..........no she just wanted you to get more lap dances .

Now I am not saying an escort can't  spend time with someone because she truly likes the guy ........after all we are humans too .......but it is also our business .


When I work out with my trainer an hour is an hour of training. ( Damm she is such a clockwatcher    She is fun to work with , we share stories , we laugh we have a great time together while I PAY her for her time ........... but after our time is up she doesn't hang out with me or go out to dinner . and I don't expect it either . Doesn't mean I don't like her or she doesn't like me . But I also don't forget that I hired her .


Not trying to be mean to anyone , just being the voice or reality...............well someone's got to do the dirty work  LOL LOL

Good luck in your search I am sure you may find one in a million who would want to barter with you ...........but will it be someone you also want ?
Peace and God Bless America !
xoxo CindySpice

Someone who gets it !!!

Thank you Zwardvis for finding my post insightful and  entertaining .... because that's what it was meant to be !!! Especially the entertaining part  


I am inspired by the new WHOPPI sitcom ( If you didn't see it check it out on NBC ) ....... it is funny , witty and so sarcastic ........so me !!!
Of course all the  "politically correct" groups are upset by the show .........gimmi a break it is funny , so in your face ,  upfront and SO SO true !!


So if you can't handle the truth don't watch or don't read
Peace and God Bless America !
xoxo CindySpice

Well, I am humbled by your professionalism and hearty work ethic in the pursuit of your hobby.

However, although I am most inspired by you, I must stress that this is no more or less of a date than any other.  I do think that the idea of posting an email addy so that the ladies don't have to respond publicly (mentioned by a different member) is a very good one.  Initially I thought that a provider coming forward would only indicate that they liked the fights.  It is now clear that men like you would frown upon them as dupes, and women like Ms. Spice would splatter them with sarcasm and think them traitors.  Funny, I just thought I was attempting to engage in a transaction.  Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa -- as we used to say in church without ever really knowing what it meant.

In any case, here is an email address for any providers to use, should they care to discuss my offer:

[email protected]

Thank you, and God Bless America.

Cordially,

D.

PS  If this is a "date" as you suggest, with no financial component, I don't see how LE would benefit from using this particular method. With respect, perhaps you need to re-think your argument.  Cheers.

Re:Sorry I just can't resist anymore

I believe, Ma'am, that there are providers who live a well-rounded existence, in that they do not need to hear only the jingle-jangle of dubloons in the Pavlovian style before they get out of bed and pull their fishnets on.  I also believe that there are providers who simply do not see themselves SOLELY as human cash registers.   I would never suggest that a provider barter INSTEAD of paying her bills, but in addition, why not?  If the following two propositions are true: that a provider enjoys the fights, and that she normally charges far less than the cost of going to the fight (not to mention the subjective added value of the HBO party), then, in the absence of a better offer, it should stand to reason that it would be a positive commercial decision to consider the offer.  Just a thought.

Nolo par nolo means nothing for nothing -- agreed --  but it's not the fault of the hobbyist if a provider despises us so much that our company is only tolerable if we come armed with cash, and despises herself so much that she can only engage in her trade when it is reduced to the crudest, simplest terms.  

No one is suggesting that you, Ms. Spice, could not find someone to take you out if you so wished.  And although I have never made your acquaintance, I am sure that you are worth every penny you demand and then some.  I merely suggest that there are things of value to women -- even women in your profession -- that are as least as valuable, and sometimes moreso, than cash.

Cordially,

D.

Any provider fearful of the scorn of members of this or any board may email me directly at:

[email protected]

Thank you, and may God Bless America.

Any provider fearful of the scorn of members of this or any board may email me directly at:

[email protected]

Thank you, and may God Bless America.

Sometime back I posed that I had an extra tickets two different events... Hockey at the MGM and Rolling Stones at the Hard Rock ($1000 a ticket) .  Some of the guys that responded by email, were surprised that I didn't request reimbursement for the tickets and that I just wanted a fun date with dinner. To each his own, there is no right or wrong way.  Each person has their own preference for dating style That's what make US all individuals and special.

***Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that should be a fun seeking free date place,,,  but sometime, give a guy or gal a break, no harm no foul....  {~.~}

The person or persons that said, "This just a paid escort date board," its more than that, doesn't it say.
         Welcome to the Discussion Area?
We all post here different things for different reason.  It should be a place were we all feel welcomed, can share information, ideas, and what ever comes to mind...  Sorry, I do believe that is the most I've ever said on this board.

Have a great time and enjoy life.
Nicole

I agree with Cindy in that this case of a long date with dinner and such into wee hours of morning or o'nter, we'd be able to a. buy those tickets ourselves b. purchase a new fall wardrobe and c. make the car payment.

I disagree with Cindy in the note of most women expecting something in the long run even if they met a guy for lunch. I think it depends on how she really feels about the man. Women do fall in love with men just as men fall in love with women. It doesn't matter what you do for a living. If you go into something saying "wall up", wall might stay up. But sometimes walls fall.

Either way, I love ya Cindy. Maybe he should have just forgotten the fight and arranged a 2 girl dinner and "topless romp" back at the suite. This guy has his priorities all wrong. Since when do sports come before women?? And if you have $2400 for 2 tickets, you're telling me, you can't find $700-1000 for 2 hours of fun. I wonder if Ticketmaster is taking exchanges. Humm...

HB

The offer does have game, in Peoria defintely, but not as much game in Vegas. That said, I would think a round of negotiations with one of Vegas' independent lovlies, would result in a satisfactory "donation" above and beyond this "fight package", being worked out.



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The point I was attempting to make was that LE use the I'm looking for a date post, contact me.  And given what I've seen on some of the shows about Vice cops making bust they might be able to use this method as well.   It sad to see even after the last person who attempted this people still don't get it and can't figure out why there is a problem with the way you are going about it. If you are so humbled and inspried by me why don't you stop wasting your time responding to this thread and contact some ladies????

"Nolo par nolo means nothing for nothing -- agreed --  but it's not the fault of the hobbyist if a provider despises us so much that our company is only tolerable if we come armed with cash, and despises herself so much that she can only engage in her trade when it is reduced to the crudest, simplest terms."

Who said anything about despising clients or yourself ?? It has nothing to do with it .......... it is business . A profession ladies chose .......a service clients do look for .
My trainer doesn't despise me , but she wouldn't train me for fee .
My lawyer doesn't despise me but he doesn't trade his services with me nor does he give then away for free .
My accountant doesn't despise me .... but I still pay for his time .
These are profession they chose , I need them I hire them ....... It is their business and services they chose to make money from ........ this is mine .

And of course we are not only "cash registered" we are human too ...... ( I did say that   I am just saying that when I want a date that isn't about money there are plenty of places to find them .

My post wasn't directly towards you , I am sorry if you felt that way ........ You brought up a subject , that keeps coming back on boards and private emails so at this point I felt the need to express my opinion and feelings on the subject .............after all I thought that what this board is for .

Enjoy fight night .

Respectfully

Peace and God Bless America !
xoxo CindySpice

I agree. If I go to Vegas to blow 2400.00 you can bet that I would include a provider or two, Cindy and Jackie sound fun !!
P.S. I think Cindy's response would be better understood if you ever have spent time with her, very funny, intelligent and sarcastic.  A Vegas trip is never complete until she spices it up!

I agree with you this is a different situation than last week's. Barter offers have not been uncommon in the past,and this seems like a good one. Many ladies who work in the trade are totally about status, and may well accept the offer. There may be some sort of counteroffer involved, like pay for an hours or two hours time in what is likely to be an 8-10 hour deal.

There have been debates in the past on whether this type of activity is a freebie-remember the Jacqueline/Felicia opera fiasco on LA last year? Some ladies just gotta be on the clock 24/7 if it's not with family or friends.

One final note: as a community, Vegas has developed quite greatly over the last five years. It still has a long way to go, and as a local I'm excluded from a lot of the fun (but I really don't mind too much, I think it's better in the long run), but it certainly beats the options presented in the past (Pahrump brothel experience, ROB agency experience, bargirl experience).

Michael, great thought!

Let me state here publicly, I would be happy to barter my time for a date to the 2004 Academy Awards.

Chrissy from Phoenix

Heather I lov ya too But what I  meant  ( and sorry if I didn't make it clear )  I wasn't talking about clients you may have developed feeling towards or have something extra special with ...... of course in those cases you would meet ( with no motive behind it ) for lunch , dinner a show .......... or maybe even more for free *wink wink*


Usually most ladies who fall in love , or retire is with someone who was a client .......but he was first a paying client


What I meant was a client you never even met before ...... why would you go out to dinner and show or concert just because you wanted to go on a "real date " ? Well if that is what you wanted wouldn't you go looking for that on "dating services" sites ??


And if you go out to a free dinner or lunch or drinks with just any client ( with no motive ) then would it be fair to other clients who are PAYING for your time on a Dinner Date ?? So why should one client pay you for a dinner and a show in the first place ?? Going to dinners and shows with just any guy who offers to pay for the dinner and the show would make "dinner dates" or "overnighters" kinda lose it's meaning .


I do believe meeting a stranger for just drinks or dinner with no fee involved does has it's motives behind it ..... you even said so in your other post and I quote - "I  would take him up on the offer but I wouldn't trade "services". I would go to the party, enjoy dinner, partake in the great fight and wouldn't be going to anyone's room. But I'd be networking at that party so I have my ulterior motives"

Did someone say ....... I have my ulterior motives  

Just being honest , stating my point ..... love you doll , You are a sweetie .

Peace and and God Bless America !
xoxo CindySpice

Love you too! SMOOCHES.

Yep, agreed. And in LA, a fair number of guys offering "networking events" expecting something in return so I became much more suspect of any "offer to hook me up with contacts" etc.

The west coast is very different than the east coast in a lot of ways. I think east coasters are looking for relationships. I think west coasters are looking to party and don't have as much faith in people so they doubt everything even if it's real. I'm east coast in terms of not being jaded but I cut to the point pretty quickly. You do the same.

They can call us b****y. They can call us brazen. But don't ever call us boring.

LOL

HBXXX

Several ladies have responded positively to my email address.  Some have made counter-offers.  It seems they were all afraid to come out publicly on this board for fear of the kind of shrill attack that you and a couple of others have already launched against me.

I think it's a shame that this board is a place where providers and hobbyists feel pressured, ashamed, or afraid to participate.  Thank goodness for back-channeling.

Finally, Ms. Spice, I have nothing personal against you, either.  You have taken this opportunity to show people what your priorities are.  As another poster in this thread has put it, some ladies have to be on the clock 24/7.  Your error is in assuming that ALL providers are strictly cash-worshippers.  You also keep missing my principal point, which is that what may not be of value to you may indeed be of great value to another provider.  People, even providers, are individuals.  From your attitudes on the hobby (and commerce generally, it seems), it is clear that you and I will never become acquainted.  Not every provider is for every client.  I have not yet contacted the providers who have emailed me -- this is my first email on the subject since last night, and my last -- but they have all expressed an interest in proving you wrong.  In the words of one, who I hope won't mind me quoting her anonymously, "Unlike what Cindy says, not every girl on the Vegas board worships money for money's sake.  Some of us have diverse interests, and money can't buy everything anyway- not manners, not certain opportunities, and not a good time with a cool person whose company you enjoy."  I couldn't have said it better.  I sincerely hope you make a ton of money while my guest and I have a great time, and a wonderful night.

Cheers,
D.

The previous thread was crude and delusional.  And I chose not to respond because of that.

DEKE is simply offering a quid pro quo, a barter of services for value.  If the "value" is unappealing to you, then pass on his offer.  If, on the other hand, you are a fan of boxing and would like to see the fight, then that's fine too.

I'm quite certain that barter exists in this business, and that it happens frequently.  And Cindy's remarks are true, if a provider elects to barter perpetually.  But this is simply a one shot deal.  

How do I know barter exists?  Because I once bartered for services myself.  A provider in your fair town at one point had a temporary cash flow problem when her computer crashed.  She needed a new one.  I had access to quality computers at reasonable prices and bought her one.  I sent her the bill, which she paid with her services for the amount of time that bill would have bought in the first place.  She got what she needed, and so did I.  And nobody got hurt.

My .02

F.

He was probably given the tickets, room and airfare. Wants to look like a stud by showing up with a beautiful lady on his arm. If he had the money/position to afford these things I'm sure he could find any number of women in his home town to accompany him - or wouldn't flinch at hiring one of Vegas' beautiful independent escorts.

Cindy, I appreciate your sarcasm, amongst other things

.. you might get some offers!