It merely appeared you were making erroneous assumptions based on your umbrage to similarities in possible sesquipedalian style and then making subtle allegations as to the progenitor of said.
At the risk of being pedantically doctrinarian; the TER discussion board rules are quite clear about "flaming"; but they say nothing about expressing an opinion supporting or converse to someone else’s opinion. If you could show where I have attacked someone "ad hominem" in this thread I would be happy to concede in your allegation of poor discussion board ethics.
Hello everyone,
I am writing an initial announcement for my visit to Las Vegas later this month. The dates of travel will most likely be the 23rd through 26th although I have not yet decided my exact length of stay. I guess it will depend on the amount of response I receive. I will be pre-booking appointments before my arrival only and will require screening and a $500 deposit.
Donations in Las Vegas (outcall only)
1.5 hours ($1000)
2.5 hours ($1500)
4 hours ( $2000)
*I have an account with a large limo company in Las Vegas that offers packages with an assortment of unusual limousines. Please feel free to inquire about adding this option to our meeting!
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I am looking to meet fun gentlemen with an empathetic nature and innate enjoyment for the spices of life. I have a very positive attitude, a gorgeous physique, and the true expertise of an upscale companion.
I currently make somewhat regular visits to Las Vegas every 4- 6 weeks. I look forward to making some new friends!
My website can be viewed by following the link below and any inquiries can be sent via my booking form or to [email protected]
I hope to hear from you soon!!
Kisses
Loren Ashley
Why yes, I will be visiting Atlanta, and I've been called me a VIP (I think they meant very insensitive prick), but gorgeous? I'm more average looking, but thanks for the kind words.
"The Webbie 'w00f!!!' of approval...damn.
I'm drooling a bit here...from a couple of orifices.
Since there is nothing in her ad about seeking "low class, small troll-like lesbians" would one of you nice gentlemen see her so I can live vicariously through you?
If I had a second night in Atlanta, I'd take that role for you. It seems as though I'm already set for my one night there, but you knew that...and thanks for the helping hand there.
Alias used to thwart the inevitable onslaught from the white knight league.
Why do we as a community encourage this? One review 10,9 from a reviewer who has only one review. Details are lacking. So in essence both the review and the profile are faked. Hmmmmm I wonder who would have motive. Then on top of that $1K for what? Assuming that the one fake review were even remotely true where's the beef?
Her profile leaves FAR to many service items as "don't know" allowing just a little to much Mileage for her to Vary, and the text of her review contains the usual overly effusive appearance aggrandizements so common to a woman trying to elicit the interest of men while simultaneously bolstering her own self esteem.
This is Vegas, I’d lay 7 to 1 odds this is textbook BS
http://www.vip-secret.net/testimonials.html
Your site says:
"As a personal preference of discretion I always prefer the non use of review boards and instead encourage posting a little something on my site. If you would like to submit a personal testimonial for me please use the link at the bottom of the page. All testimonials will be reviewed before placement on this site."
I can certainly understand not wanting to be associated with review sites. I've seen ladies who've said "no reviews"- and they also won't be found advertising here, either.
However, discouraging reviews while using the review sites to advertise doesn't seem to me to be very consistent.
Perhaps you've changed your policy and your website hasn't been updated to account for that? Or is there some other reason why us kiss and tell types are acceptable for promotional purposes only?
This is one lady who deserves to be banned.I'll even go as far as to say that Webbie and Acidom as well for being in collusion with this individual. Clearly their posts for a so called "unknown" indicated a-priori knowledge of this lady.
No legitimate reviews, no prior history? Hmmmm how is it you guys can vouch for this lady? That is unless you are both in on it.
If there is one thing any hobbyist hates it's misrepresentation.
Are you in Cahoots with the said provider by chance? You are so quick to bash another hobbiest and board member in your post however, you are cowardly enough to post under an alias, LOL go figure. When a new povider shows up, many either A) seek out facts and present them or B) post their COMMENT about them or C) do both. Who are you too say they are in on the scam??? Please let the community know your real name instead of hiding behind a made up one. I remember when I announced my friend Tori. Very unknown to the community at the time, and I believe was even told to put a badge on her site, but great comments were made.
Some girls, who are new or agency, (which I think this one is) have no clue how to begin and feel that by a false review it will help. Go figure. But for you to openly accuse people of defending a "hypothetical provider," is just wrong. Especially two that are active in this community and honest. Shows how much you don't know. I think you should stop being a coward and come from behind your alias, so we can see the boldness of the man/women speaking.
Tasha
This is adroit use of an alias for just the kind of reasons we have aliases. IE:1. To keep off DNS lists for merely questioning what SHOULD be questioned.
2. Too distance ones self from the whiteknights who wouldn’t say shit if they had just received a crock full of it from a provider.
The supply side of the hobby has used every form of dubious marketing since it was discovered that men like to fuck. The reviews (which this particular provider states on her website that she does not wish) and aliases that protect whistle blowers from national black listings are major tools in the defense of the multitudes of ruses historically used by practitioners of your craft.
-- Modified on 4/10/2007 8:44:12 AM
Check the provider posting rules again. Webbie and Acidom, LMFAO BBB is the one that made sense, not you. I'm sure we would understand something about you if we knew who you were, but you don't want an attack from white knights from a provider with one review. LOL
Have you seen the IP information? If not, you don't know if there is fraud. If you have proof, explain to the audience. Otherwise stop slangin shit from an alias. Oh, and change that name, you are an embarrassment to all the sleuths. Please don't use it again. LMAO
You were asleep at the wheel, and P_s merely did what your moniker implies.
When does any of the membership see "IP information"? That is something Staff/administration is privy too; but usually attends to only after the whistle is blown by the membership. Even if a member could verify for redundant IPs it doesn't require Bill Gates to figure a way around that form of indictment.
BBB's findings in the noted contradiction of the provider's policy certainly add to skepticism; but as any legal case is built it is an accumulation or preponderance of evidence that sways the jury & judge, and seldom one article of evidence that convicts.
So rather than see who can piss higher up the pole than the other; let us list what has been observed.
1. First time one time reviewer paying VERY serious bucks and then leaving out many major service items as “don’t know” in the profile.
2. The review itself is rather short and evades the details most men would include after paying that kind of money, yet effusively promotes the providers professed beauty in a way usually found in dime store romance novels.
3. The provider’s website promulgates her personal dislike of reviews yet she uses the largest escort review site on the internet to promote herself.
4. Admittedly only conjecture; but the quick chiming in of a possible webmistress in unabashed support of this high priced, alleged newbie of paid for prurience.
-- Modified on 4/10/2007 8:39:44 AM
you make a great white knight. LMAO
Let me see if I have this right...my banning is being called for because basically I looked at a woman's site and thought she was "hot"?
Yeah, no one else on TER ever does that. You are so right I must be punished for that.
Other than saying that she made me "w00f" and drool from a couple orifices, what did I say that leads to thoughts of collusion?
because I made a joke about her not mentioning "small troll-like lesbians"?
because of a joke about having a "gentleman" see her so I could live vicariously?
Sorry, wasn't aware saying I haven't seen this woman but I think she is hot was a ban-able offense...I guess every guy that ever posted he wishes someone would "TOFTT" on this or that lady should be summarily banned as well.
Now I do confess to having some meager knowledge of this lady beyond this post.This may come as huge shock to you...but there are other boards and sites besides TER out there, some where a lady charging $1000 an hour doesn't even raise an eyebrow.
So, I have seen her name, and site before.
I have read a post about her by her photographer (he also owns an ad mall...takes his own pics for that to insure the lady in the pics is the lady in the ad).
I have read a post by a guy on that site (he has been a member for over a year and a half) that only sees ladies in the $1000/hr and over rate (he tends to fly the ladies to him) where he strongly recommends this lady.
Now, you assume her review a "fake" but you proclaim it as a fact...so I assume either you can see the IP address of the review and have matched it to her IP...or you have seen the logs for this site showing her creating and logging in with that account, and then making that review?
If not you don't know if it is "fake" or not...you just think it is...and your thinking, from what I have read so far, I wouldn't put to much stock in...but on your fierce "investigational" hunch you call for her banning as well as mine and Mr Acidom's?
Here is a tiny fact you may not know...a lot of guys that see the higher priced ladies don't make a habit of reading and writing reviews on TER or elsewhere...so it is possible the review is legit and just done by one of her clients that never wrote a review before.
That the review was from November 2006 do you think she sat on that bit of "fakery" for 6 months only to use it to her advantage for one visiting post in Las Vegas? her home board is Atlanata and she has never made a post there linking to that review you assume is to get her oh so much business...
Your theory is that six months ago she hatched a ruse, to create a new ID, post a fake review with it, and then wait six months to link to it so as to take advantage of that one review to make loads of money on a three day trip to Las Vegas... and to insure her success got Mr Acidom and myself to agree to post in her favor on the board when that six month wait was over (I assume she chose he and I randomly...because since he and I joke he is my evil twin she would have been wiser than to use two people that others connect to each other...she must not have read any posts between he and I before selecting us for her ruse poor girl overlooked the one thing that would bring her "scam" down)? That is basically your theory right?
As for your "hmmmmm" I didn't vouch I said in my own way I thought she looked "hot"....sorry you take that as a vouch...your problem not mine. As for her having no legitimate reviews that is your opinion, but I don't see proof of that...as for no prior history...not on TER, but I guess that means no new ladies are to ever come to the boards? That will suck for all the new guys to the boards in 40 years when all the 20 year old hotties that are here now are in their 60's or retired. *smirk*
As for how Mr Acidom knew of Miss Ashley...I have no idea though I do know he had been gathering information from many sources and back channel for an upcoming trip...gee couldn't be he got a recommendation from someone could it?....nah, because if alias boy doesn't know about a lady she has to be a scam or not exist right?
She's good at shredding cases!
--b.
quite often loses to succinct and forthright.
-- Modified on 4/10/2007 8:31:19 AM
You're using an alias Mr. Forthright...how obfuscating is that?
Now be a good boy or I’ll smack you with your thesaurus…
Now I can still play hide the weenie with ya sometime in the future. I doubt with the vitriol currently dripping off your canines you would have later cared too if you knew my username.
BTW; whats a thesaurus?
What is a thesaurus? Have you been riding without your helmet again? It's the book that you always use as a posting companion to make it seem as though you have a vocabulary. Perhaps, for the sake of anonymity, you should consider putting it on the shelf when using an alias.
You will not be playing "hide the weenie" with me Sir, I am aware of your reputation. Freedom of choice is a lady’s right, after all.
and read things other than the National Inquirer or People Magazine..
I'm not sure who you are talking about; I drive a car. The DOT does not require "helmets" in cars; but attempting to "out" members from behind their alias is a punishable offense by TER discussion board rules (unless you have some sort of special political pull within TER mods/administration). If that is the case; I would not ever wish to hobby with you for I prefer my partners to have a modicum of ethics in their general conduct.
If you truly value your anonymity, stop using the same ostentatious adjectives to insult the same person in multiple threads and on multiple boards. One needn't have political pull with TER nor a degree in etymology to connect the dots.
I could provide links to prove it, but THAT would be outing you.
It seems to me, if you applied some modicum of ethics while conducting yourself under an alias, there wouldn’t be such cause for concern.
It merely appeared you were making erroneous assumptions based on your umbrage to similarities in possible sesquipedalian style and then making subtle allegations as to the progenitor of said.
At the risk of being pedantically doctrinarian; the TER discussion board rules are quite clear about "flaming"; but they say nothing about expressing an opinion supporting or converse to someone else’s opinion. If you could show where I have attacked someone "ad hominem" in this thread I would be happy to concede in your allegation of poor discussion board ethics.
Miss Avalon mentioned ethics, not TER specified rules of conduct.
One can follow rules and completely unethical, just as one can break rules and be completely ethical.
Rules and ethics are not the same thing.
I guess the problem is thesauruses don't give nuance and connotation just similar words...though, I don't even think a thesaurus would list "rules" as a synonym for "ethics".
Though you asked where you made an "ad hominem" attack (which no one actually accused you of), I will instead point out where you acted in an unethical manner, generally unethical, as she did not say "message board ethics", she said simply ethics.
When first your use of an alias was mentioned you claimed it to be "adroit" (not sure how you equate "skillful" with lacking any strength of your own supposed convictions, but whatever works for you I guess) to enable you to say anything you wished on the boards without you ever having to stand up for your own words, and apparently beliefs and attitudes, without any reprisals for what you may say.
You also said that the alias was so you could still see ladies that would otherwise not see you, because of your posts, if you used an alias...this is where the lack of ethics comes in. The ladies have a right to refuse to see anyone for any reason they so choose, you make attempts at obfuscation to usurp her power to make that choice. You want to do or say things you think might cost you something but not then pay the price for doing such. You want to have the ability to act in any manner you choose (even when you know in advance it might keep ladies from wanting to be alone in a room with you) but not allow her the ability to judge whether or not she sees you by that...that is unethical, even if it isn't written at the top of each page of TER's discussion boards.
As to this post and your 10 dollar words...let me help you out a bit:
Umbrage is anger from offense, not a matter of noting not just a similarity but the exact same words, the exact same statements and with the same turn of phrase and cadence in writing. She did not say she was angry you post by thesaurus, just that you do...umbrage is the wrong word.
sesquipedalian: means the use of long words....obfuscate and garrulous aren't particularly long words...sesquipedalian is, but you only used it once so wouldn't call that the overuse of.
progenitor:
That would be an ancestor, not a writer, not one that used something...you claim to be the forefather of the words you use? That's a little weird, even if you are making the claim you coined the words you use it doesn't really follow as you being their ancestor.
*smirk*
I'm not in debate with YOU, and I'm certainly not going to entertain your predilection for semantics.
To be honest, I don't even remember who recommended her, but if I looked through the PM's I'd find it. I did indeed get back-channel info from a handful of Atlanta's finest and was surprised to see her coming here.
I agree with Webbie (as I most often do) that I was previously unaware that considering seeing an attractive woman was a bannable offense. I will attempt to modify my behavior accordingly and only seek to see women that have unpleasant pictures.
Thanks for the compliment, but you're out there by yourself on the calls for bannings, I think.
FWIW, I was aware of what Webbie was aware of too- thus I'm not alleging anything along the lines of misrepresentation, just noting a potential incompatibility between a no-reviews-preferred policy and using review sites for advertising, and being curious as to the motivation.
Wow, my post certainly did seem to cause quite a stir. I’m not quite sure what the issue is… I assure you I am perfectly real and legit. I have plenty of friends in both Atlanta and in Las Vegas that choose to stay away from reviewing on boards.
Thank you Web terrorist for actually seeing the truth and looking at things logically instead of with some kind of paranoid hysteria.
I have always made my Las Vegas visits publicly unannounced. (I’m here every 4-6 weeks) I am listed on various advertising sites across the country. I’ve also been on the site “world class female escorts”. com in Las Vegas for over 8 months. I get the occasional client who flies me for a night or I come to town for a modeling event and inform only my known contacts.
I believe in keeping the kissing and telling to an absolute minimum as I stated on my site, however I didn’t know this would cause a problem when making a public visiting announcement on the board. If having only 1 review prohibits my use of posting on this board I will gladly no longer do so.
Please accept my apologies… I do hope to make some new friends very soon!
Many kisses
Loren Ashley
You don't need to apologize, dear. Fussy little outbursts from alias' happen occasionally on this board.
You've been given the stamp of approval from trusted regulars, and that's not automatic, by any means. Personally, I'd like to add my own w00f to Webbie's.
You can come visit Las Vegas as often as you like. If you can't find a place to stay, I know of a bright and witty woman who could probably find a bed for you......
I had to turn on the heat hear in Altanta. We Vegas boys aren't used to weather, and my date hasn't arrived yet to keep me warm...
I'm not cold anymore *big grin*. Thanks for the good word Webbie, and you were correct...she is cute.
... more that lack of reviews by established reviewers + lady who discourages them raises questions in some people's minds, as you can see in this thread.
Certainly you deserve to run your business as you see fit, and don't take my question as anything other than curiosity about wanting to advertise somewhere where the primary activity is something somewhat objectionable to you- detailing trysts. Thanks for dropping by, and hopefully you might find some of us kiss and tell types tolerable. 
And you know what they say about publicity and spelling your name right...
I don't post a lot and don't do reviews but feel compelled to speak out. I saw Loren last month in Atlanta and she is the real deal. Thought enough of her to repeat next month. She is smart, funny and sexy and worth the investment.
She had a review up that was quite good-it was the basis for my decision to see her last month. Don't know why it disappeared (also from my favorites box) She is a 9/9. This is not my first rodeo, I've been around enough to give her an unqualified endorsement based on my own experience in that league.