The OP's post is valuable information for the Hobbyist that doesn't watch the Vegas board, this post gives him or her chance to make an informed decision. I'll try to explain this so even you can understand. 1. Everyone involved in this hobby uses an alias. Why? To protect themselves. 2. To get a date we must divulge a part of who we are at one time or another for verification. 3. Why do most go see Indy girls. Because we feel they have as much to loose as us and will not keep our personal info. 4. All our dates our based on who we like, but mostly on who also we feel we can trust. 5. When the 1st group went down back in the KF days how many guys sat at home praying the phone didn't ring or some guy in a suit didn't walk into your office. 6. This group is an agency, no question, but an agency attempting to deceive the hobbyist that they are all Indy Girls. So now ask yourself when the shit hits the fan what will the hierarchy of this agency do? My answer is not with my info. So I move on. 7. Your assumptions about how this Agency operated before and now are wrong and would take forever to correct. 8. Your notion as to the other providers is unfounded. We all know about the parties, duos, and that they may be friends. BUT THEY ARE NOT HIDING IT OR TRYING TO DECIEVE PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING OTHERWISE. My personnel opinion is they are true independent providers and have proven this over many years. I trust and see them whenever I can.
At the end of the day people will choose to see who they wish but please let them be informed of what people think so they can make their own decision. That's what TER is for. To 100 Proof - Zach You have always been above board, and well respected by the community. In no way would I refer to you as I have my opinion of others above. I did try to visit once but it did not work out. Oh I don't know how you've not gotten a high heel in the rear by saying "backup plan". The preceding is a paid message in support of Perverts of America
The following ladies have come under suspicion as an organized group advertising as independents with suspiciously similar marketing, pushing of doubles only within their group, VERY inflated review scores for brand new providers, and from the same group of reviewers.
This is not a claim that there is anything wrong with them except that they are rigging the system. Their latest approach is to use selfies and expand their portfolio of website designers and photographers to throw those that noticed their similarities off the scent. Of course there are more telltale signs, but divulging them will only make them smarter, so I've only mentioned the most obvious tells.
Remember that there's nothing wrong with agencies, but those that hide themselves often have a lot more to hide! Support your local true Las Vegas independents and agencies!
New This Week - Lindsey Carter
Madison Cruise Brooke Waters Tess Tayler Kimmy Daniels Vanessa Harlowe Christina Kendra Marie Ivy Evans Breya Lynn Harmony Taylor Mia Chase Taylor Mae Kristal Marie Nicole Andreas Karson Lee
You can't see right through the manipulations of a hater? I have met many of the girls from this 'group'. They did not NCNS on me. A few arrived an hour early. Most were right on the dot. There were zero problems. I had no drama from them. Some I have talked on the phone and they obviously answer their own calls. One girl even butt-dialed me twice so it's pretty fuckin obvious she answers her own calls. I also keep in touch regularly with ladies who became friends. This is slander, defamation, and simply bull shit.
Now before some of you noobs call me a WK shill, I've been around drunk posting on TER before any of these vegas "groups" even existed. Just speaking as someone who met them.
Just wanted to make it clear that Tera Moore was involved with the group not Taylor Mae. That's the only reason I would go to all the trouble of changing my name. I'm sure anyone of the gentlemen who have emailed me questions would gladly vouch for me. I have nothing to hide.
Posted By: LasVegasPSA
The following ladies have come under suspicion as an organized group advertising as independents with suspiciously similar marketing, pushing of doubles only within their group, VERY inflated review scores for brand new providers, and from the same group of reviewers.
This is not a claim that there is anything wrong with them except that they are rigging the system. Their latest approach is to use selfies and expand their portfolio of website designers and photographers to throw those that noticed their similarities off the scent. Of course there are more telltale signs, but divulging them will only make them smarter, so I've only mentioned the most obvious tells.
Remember that there's nothing wrong with agencies, but those that hide themselves often have a lot more to hide! Support your local true Las Vegas independents and agencies!
New This Week - Lindsey Carter
Madison Cruise Brooke Waters Tess Tayler Kimmy Daniels Vanessa Harlowe Christina Kendra Marie Ivy Evans Breya Lynn Harmony Taylor Mia Chase Taylor Mae Kristal Marie Nicole Andreas Karson Lee
I'm not sure what your fucking problem is with this "group" but it's not nice to back stab people and spread a bunch of lies by twisting the truth. I can assure you with 100% certainty that the girls are reading the boards but most are choosing not to become a part of this bull shit drama. Do you think people avoid a pile of manure because they are scared of it or because it smells, feels dirty, and they just don't wanna get near it?
Do the letters C.W. & B.P. ring any bells? This is just a friendly warning for you and your stupid cronies to stop this nonsense.
The sky is not falling. What is wrong with young ladies breaking into this business together and sharing contacts? Sharing photographers, web designers, rates, and styles of working is nothing new. Many of the older providers do so, or copy the style of other ladies they admire.
Take a look at some of the "older providers" who offer parties, soirees, duos etc. Are they a "group"? Do they have a pimp? Are they being trafficked? Do they share cuts or clients? Do they recommend their friends when they are not available? Really. Think about it.
Take a good look at WHO is NOT mentioned in this list of young newbie girls. Therein lies the mastermind. Therein lies the hater. Someone is jealous of these young ladies taking Vegas by storm. Their only way to cause a fuss is to tie this all in to problems from a couple of years ago. Those problems were also blown out of proportion.
Was there a big bad pimp abusing a few girls? Yes. Did he "run" all of the girls that knew one another. No. They were business contacts. Supply and demand. Affiliates. Colleagues.
There is nothing wrong with ladies having the same style of working/marketing/breaking into the business.
It is unfair to lump all of them together.
All of this gossip, hearsay, and witch hunting needs to stop.
Some of these ladies don't even know one another. Some used to dance together, and decided 8~10 hours a day in stripper shoes wasn't as great as escorting. They shared their new venture with their girlfriends.
Big Deal!
This does not constitute any or all of them being pimped, trafficked, or part of an agency.
It's time to move on, enjoy this Vegas community and quit calling unnecessary attention to ladies who are just trying to do their jobs in a professional manner.
Enough hate and scarlet letters.
It's great to see young ladies taking charge of their lives thru this business to empower themselves. Let them do it. They are doing a great job. They are young, fun, beautiful, and offer a variety of services.
This hobby is supposed to be fun. Can we get back to the love and lust and exciting parts and stop thinking the sky is falling please?
Agreed, the sky is not falling. I have posted some info on these girls, my only problems is that the way lots of them do business is shady. Always trying to force duos, canceling at the last minute then pushing another girl that I don't want to see on to me. I fly in from NYC and don't need that last minute disappointment (i.e CRAP). I know people always say, well have a back up plan, and I do so I have fun anyways. But this type of behavior should be outed. THAT IS WHAT THIS BOARD IS FOR, CORRECT? I had a few frustrating situations which I'll keep to myself although I posted some info on this previously. I see no problem with fellow hobbyists saying hey, look out for girl xyz, because she has a shady way of doing business. Now to the ladies that are not part of this group and have been included in this conversation or to all the other women that we know are indys, well keep up the good work....
Not one of them cancelled on me last minute and I have met with a majority of them girls. Ok, granted one had a legitimate reason due to her baby sitter and had to reschedule but she more than made up for it the next day. I got a kid of my own I don't hold that against anyone.
I find it really interesting how my experiences with them sound so different from the chicken littles who claim that the sky is falling. These girls are drop dead gorgeous and I had a blast. Who gives a fuck if they push each other recommending each other to clients, they are friends. Friends refer one another.
I'm not some shill, I'm just a drunk hobbyist who's been around on TER drunk posting for the last decade or so. They treated me really well whenever I see them and I can not find a single reason why I wouldn't see them again
You may have not been cancelled on but plenty of others have. I give a fuck when they push others on me. If I want to see xyz then I want to see xyz not some other broad that I don't want to see. This board is for hobbyists and the like to give experiences on providers and the like. If people cannot posts their bad experiences and only the good then what good is this board for. I am telling my side of the story and plenty of others have. I did see one of the girls from the group years ago but since then it has been numerous bullshit to try and get me to see some "new" girl that I did not request. This way of doing business and we all know it is a business is fucked up....
Nope. I don't have the time for that. I don't have the energy for that. And, I have my own venture to tend to. I knew someone would say that.
I just don't follow "group thinking" about groups. It's called critical thinking. I like to view things from all sides. Not just the side of someone who likes to stir up the board for personal gain. It's called not being a follower. Not all of these ladies are part of a cartel, or group, or do "shady business". Girls come and go. Agencies come and go. If the providers and their significant others that are behind this witch hunt would focus on making their business more successful, possibly they wouldn't have to resort to things like this.
Maybe some girls were a part of an unsavory group. Maybe some girls were silly enough to give all of their money for nothing. Though the lady who shared bits of her story shared info that made no sense. It did garner a lot of attention for her though.
The person who starts these witch hunt posts has a lot to gain by trying to tarnish reputations. He is trying to line his pockets.
My point is, and remains, it is unfair and not wise to lump all ladies into a group, based on gossip, speculation, and hearsay. Not all of the ladies know one another. That is all.
Who would want to offer a duo with a strange lady they do not know. Check the boards. There are not many ladies that are open to doing a duo with a lady they have never met. Some ladies are friends and have their preferences of whom they duo with. Just like the older providers and just like other new providers on the board. Again, nothing new.
Move on. This is getting to be ridiculous. And it only serves to shed negative light on the LV industry.
If you want to help young ladies in dire straits, go look on Trop. Get your cape and go help some of the streetwalkers you will see there. Now those are some forlorn ladies. Very sad.
This is all I will say about this subject. I feel better having stood up for ladies who do not deserve to be unnecessarily bullied by the man who is behind all of these witch hunt posts. And now I am done with this topic
Your words, "This is all I will say about this subject. I feel better having stood up for ladies who do not deserve to be unnecessarily bullied by the man who is behind all of these witch hunt posts. And now I am done with this topic.".....LIAR!!!!...lol I dunno who the suppose leader is, could be some cock roach that goes by Blowing Shits. or Drunken Asshole...who the fuck knows. Shit it could be YOU! And yes, I've was lucky enough to see 3 of the girls in that group, one who has since left the group around Oct. So if 3 is many, then I stand guilty as charged and I'd see them again. Now who have you seen from that "group" that got your panties wet ?
I'm sick of seeing this ridiculous crap on the boards too. It's sad that others have nothing to do but lurk and lie and put their phony two cents in about things they know nothing about. And, it's sad that you are so negative towards up and coming young beautiful independents. And that you don't have anything positive or fact based to add to the discussion, yet feel the need to get involved. And you're teaming up with part of the problem, and becoming part of the problem. It's all false. Cartel and human trafficking my ass. It's interesting to watch a girl try to shine by using gossip and lies to do so. I guess the fresh competition has ladies and gents from all sides of the fence, bookers and providers alike, trying to cast their lie filled shady versions because they feel they aren't worthy competition. And these people who are posting every couple of weeks about this foolishness are not realizing they are causing FEAR in the LV market, which ruins it for EVERYONE. Quit being so negative. Enjoy dates with the ladies, or don't, but don't add to fool's drama.
No, you just like to make opinions and judge others for something you know nothing about. You may not realize it but you are unknowingly helping these scumbags! And for the record. This list is pretty accurate but still missing some. Also some have already left the group like Vanessa and myself. xoxo Taylor Mae
The main girl who is a "former" member of this agency has stayed in the town they recruited her to, uses the photos and websites they created for her, and still charges the 600 they raised her rates to (from 500 when she started). She complains because they got her four appointments a day, which is what I though girls wanted, you know, business.... She thinks she is being black balled because she does not get that much business now. Uhhhh, well that is because the agency is no longer cross marketing you and you are charging 600 an hour for a commodity otherwise available for 3 or 4 or 5 hundred. The other posters are providers who have not seen the age o 21 in a decade or more, I think one of them was likely 21 when Gerald Ford was president, so their comments just seem sour grapes about having to compete against beautiful younger girls. The posts have done one thing: Up until a few weeks ago you could tell who was in the agency by the P411 log in times, since the same log ins occurred within a minute or two for each girl as the agency checked their P411 emails. That data causes me to wonder if the girl who claims to have left even has left..... It is all very odd. But what it is not is human trafficking and the people tossing that term around should STFU.
I guess jealous old hookers like to use it for effect as well.
and I agree, some people really should STFU and concentrate on taking care of their own customers instead of trying to scare off the customers of their younger and hotter competitors.
Well you definitely took a blind gamble on that one! I'm only 19yrs old! lol Sorry, but you bust! Tell me the last time you started a job where they keep all your money for the first 6mo which with how much they work you is about 300,000! And then when you push through the first 6mo your employer starts giving most of your paid work to the newer workers who don't get to keep their money yet. I'm gonna take a blind gamble and say you haven't had a job like that. xoxo Taylor Mae
If it was so bad why didn't you report it to LE...you could have done it anonymously and even get a reward..
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Well you definitely took a blind gamble on that one! I'm only 19yrs old! lol Sorry, but you bust! Tell me the last time you started a job where they keep all your money for the first 6mo which with how much they work you is about 300,000! And then when you push through the first 6mo your employer starts giving most of your paid work to the newer workers who don't get to keep their money yet. I'm gonna take a blind gamble and say you haven't had a job like that. xoxo Taylor Mae
And all I ever see is you running around under your idiotic alias bashing others. If I'm to choose between you, with no reviews with nary a positive contribution anywhere here and GaG former mod whom I know well, I'll take his dog in this race. You should STFU unless you have issue with my pedigree?
You have no idea what your talking about clearly but I will repeat. They give you 4 appointment a day for the first 6 mo which is when they keep all the money and then unknowing to the girls because they do not control any of the accounts, they start telling clients last minute that you can't make it but that you have a new friend they can see. That way they keep the money again while leaving you the scraps!! I have all my old stuff because I had to prove to TER and P411, etc. that I am who I say I am. Since I obviously was I have all my old stuff and of course I have the same pricing because I still have the same reviews. When I got control of my account I quickly learned everything but most thing were already setup so why change the things I don't need to. I even saw that the month or so I was out of the group and didn't have my accounts I found out that the guy in the group who was screwing me over was giving oks to guys I NEVER wanted to see again and was telling everyone on P411 that I was out of town for a while. That scumbag though I would come crawling back! lol Yeah right! And for the record keeping all the money and telling you what appointment you HAVE to do while telling you they will drop your ass if you don't IS human trafficking so you should probably be the one to STFU!
PS When the hell did I say I was hurting for work?! I am doing very well and when I don't want to see someone, guess what!! I don't.
Young lady, your immaturity is showing. If you did not like the split those first 5 months, few towns have more flights outa town than this one. There is simply no way I would want to see a girl who seems to need to create this much drama. A mature adult learns from their mistakes and moves on. This is not middle school. Grow up. Seriously.
Let me remind everybody. THERE IS NO PHYSICAL DANGER THREATENED TO THESE GIRLS!! They are being financially used very badly. Not that that makes it much better. xoxo Taylor Mae
The OP's post is valuable information for the Hobbyist that doesn't watch the Vegas board, this post gives him or her chance to make an informed decision. I'll try to explain this so even you can understand. 1. Everyone involved in this hobby uses an alias. Why? To protect themselves. 2. To get a date we must divulge a part of who we are at one time or another for verification. 3. Why do most go see Indy girls. Because we feel they have as much to loose as us and will not keep our personal info. 4. All our dates our based on who we like, but mostly on who also we feel we can trust. 5. When the 1st group went down back in the KF days how many guys sat at home praying the phone didn't ring or some guy in a suit didn't walk into your office. 6. This group is an agency, no question, but an agency attempting to deceive the hobbyist that they are all Indy Girls. So now ask yourself when the shit hits the fan what will the hierarchy of this agency do? My answer is not with my info. So I move on. 7. Your assumptions about how this Agency operated before and now are wrong and would take forever to correct. 8. Your notion as to the other providers is unfounded. We all know about the parties, duos, and that they may be friends. BUT THEY ARE NOT HIDING IT OR TRYING TO DECIEVE PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING OTHERWISE. My personnel opinion is they are true independent providers and have proven this over many years. I trust and see them whenever I can.
At the end of the day people will choose to see who they wish but please let them be informed of what people think so they can make their own decision. That's what TER is for.
To 100 Proof - Zach You have always been above board, and well respected by the community. In no way would I refer to you as I have my opinion of others above. I did try to visit once but it did not work out. Oh I don't know how you've not gotten a high heel in the rear by saying "backup plan".
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You really don't understand the problem and I'm not saying you should. But if you are not interested in the subject then stay out of it because there is a real problem. Your response shows me you have almost no idea what is going on so do research or don't add more irrelevent info. Not talking crap. That's just how I see it. xoxo Taylor Mae
I don't know how many times I need to announce this....but I will do so again. I am NOT apart of this group. I was introduced to the community through this" organization" but i have since grown on my own and worked independently very hard to build myself as a reputable provider. I do not appreciate my name being included in this slander. I do not associate with anyone but truely independent providers who share the same appreciation and value for the community as I do. I understand completely how this may be upsetting but I have zero involvement whatsoever.
Vanessa Harlowe
Posted By: LasVegasPSA
The following ladies have come under suspicion as an organized group advertising as independents with suspiciously similar marketing, pushing of doubles only within their group, VERY inflated review scores for brand new providers, and from the same group of reviewers.
This is not a claim that there is anything wrong with them except that they are rigging the system. Their latest approach is to use selfies and expand their portfolio of website designers and photographers to throw those that noticed their similarities off the scent. Of course there are more telltale signs, but divulging them will only make them smarter, so I've only mentioned the most obvious tells.
Remember that there's nothing wrong with agencies, but those that hide themselves often have a lot more to hide! Support your local true Las Vegas independents and agencies!
New This Week - Lindsey Carter
Madison Cruise Brooke Waters Tess Tayler Kimmy Daniels Vanessa Harlowe Christina Kendra Marie Ivy Evans Breya Lynn Harmony Taylor Mia Chase Taylor Mae Kristal Marie Nicole Andreas Karson Lee
I too can vouch that Vanessa left this group even before I did. She is only having to clear her name now because the group have been brought to light. xoxo Taylor Mae
Hoping either of you could shed some light on any others that may have left "the group". I have seen some of the providers in "the group" but have not experienced the run around tactics or any of the negativity.
I am here as a true hobbyist and just want to have fun but not at anyone's expense, especially if any of the allegation about "the group" are true.
Only reason I am posting as an alias is to prevent my reviews from being thrown in to the pile of questionable ones.
I don't want to give names, as I don't know if more have left the group but I will say to prefer to text since the girls are not in control of their emails or any accounts. You will find that the girls in the group do not post there phone #'s on their websites. Also you can ask if they do duos without mentioning any names and if they quickly offer one of the other girls suspected of being in the group or especially if it's a new girl who has been active for less than 6mo then you know. Also if you look at the ads for the girls on this list you will see a common format. If you see that similar format with another girl, she may be with the group too. Hope that was helpful and don't forget, I am independent and available too, Love! lol xoxo Talor Mae
maybe he gets paid to review, check history of 7s&5s suddenly the group are 10/10s
Mandrake298's Reviews Reviewer is Offline Mar 2015 Christina Las Vegas 10 9 Provider is Offline Mar 2015 Nicole Andreas Las Vegas 10 10 Provider is Offline Mar 2015 Breya Lynn Las Vegas 10 10 Provider is Offlin
I want to also note that there are some reviewers being accused that I know for a fact are real! They are just falling victim to the "Sry I can't make it but you can see my friend" bate. So they see every new girl and usually give them all 10s. They're are fakes out there. This one maybe too but make sure to read all reviews to see if they are just duplicate reviews or genuine ones from a guy that is just being given the group runaround. xoxo Taylor Mae
Yes, thanks for bringing this aspect of it up. I have seen Tera Moore twice- once, prior to her website put up and another time just prior to her rate going from 500 to 600. I gave an honest review of my experience and yet a couple of people accused me of inaccurate reviews and one person even said I was part of the group because I had seen one of the girls. Another person on the board who used an alias described the girls I thought were 10's as " ugly".
Tera/ Taylor, I genuinely enjoyed my time with you and still think you're a 10/10. I'm sorry that your experience with this group was financially bad and am personally, happy you got out of it.
What I don't care for are the quick accusations about what's considered authentic vs inauthentic reviews. One person even put up a post stating to PM him to get the real "10's". As if his opinion is a standard by which everyone should go by. SMDH
Thanks, Love! And don't blame everyone too much. When people don't know whats going on around them, especially with hobbying, it's easy to get crazy. I'm sure that everyone will see the truth soon enough. And I can't wait to see you again and try and make that 10/10 an 11/11! lol xoxo Taylor Mae
I never comment in fear of all of the bullies on the board, but this is ridiculous already. I am not part of any group. I had help when I first started, like I'm sure most girls have when they started on here. Even the older girls have helped their friends get in, I've seen it done recently with nothing but open arms. I have nothing but positive things to say from the day I started until now about TER, and my experience with this whole industry (except the Bully Board) I do not have any help at all and haven't in quite awhile. I do my own emails and posts and happy to do whatever is needed to prove that. I think most girls on here start doing their own stuff and stop needing the help just like I did. I keep ALL of my own money. I am sorry to hear that people have had negative experiences and were taken advantage of. I would always help anyone that is in a unhealthy situation. I hate to see all these people that don't know me comment on me and my life.
I personally made plans with Mia a week in advance only to have her cancel on me with only 24 hours notice, but she did let me know that two of her other friends were available. (This happened last November.)
Whether or not this tactic was used because she was in a group or otherwise, it's not how someone should conduct their business. As funny as it may sound, if someone is expecting $500/hr, I expect a small amount of professionalism (ie: don't make plans that you can't honor, show up on time for the appt., etc). Thankfully, in my case, I had already established communications with other, more reputable providers and was able to still have a great time.
Form your own opinions, I guess, but I was having a hard time understanding how/why someone could cancel like that...until I read this thread.
This is important information, but let's be absolutely sure that we don't impugn the reputation of very fine providers. They have already spoken for themselves, but I can vouch that Vanessa Harlowe and Taylor Mae are definitely not part of this group. While I (and most hobbyists) love our girls, and again, I can only speak for myself, I am revolted by the thought of any girl I see being a victim of human trafficking, which is if we are honest, we must call it. I've seen these websites, tried to see these girls before I knew about this group, and the thing that strikes me (with a few notable exceptions), is that they just don't seem "present" when they are with you. That might be because they are being forced to see as many as five clients in a day. I know some of you are getting tired of this conversation, but this can't be discussed enough times. Last thought- except for the two ladies who spoke up for themselves, you may notice that we haven't heard from anyone else. Hmmmmm.....
This is important information, but let's be absolutely sure that we don't impugn the reputation of very fine providers. They have already spoken for themselves, but I can vouch that Vanessa Harlowe and Taylor Mae are definitely not part of this group. While I (and most hobbyists) love our girls, and again, I can only speak for myself, I am revolted by the thought of any girl I see being a victim of human trafficking, which is if we are honest, we must call it. I've seen these websites, tried to see these girls before I knew about this group, and the thing that strikes me (with a few notable exceptions), is that they just don't seem "present" when they are with you. That might be because they are being forced to see as many as five clients in a day. I know some of you are getting tired of this conversation, but this can't be discussed enough times. Last thought- except for the two ladies who spoke up for themselves, you may notice that we haven't heard from anyone else. Hmmmmm.....
...I am a very happy man to be seeing next week the woman who so graciously accepted me. She will be very well respected, and we will have the best of times. I have read a number of articles about whether or not trafficking and abuse of providers exists, and even the abuse that exists by so-called rescuers of providers. I have also followed and communicated with providers on Twitter. and value those "tweets." I wish all providers well with the opportunity to flourish in all aspects of life.
I can't wait. I am excited. Now, less than one week until Las Vegas.
I certainly apologize for setting off your snide remarks part of your brain. As for the suggestion to go to match.com: no thank you. As I said, I am happy and will have a good time this trip to Las Vegas.
So, I don't look at this board often and as such this is the first I've heard about this "group" though I have experienced the last minute cancelling that many people have talked about on a few occasions with recommendations for other girls.
June 2014 - book Harmony Taylor at least 1 month before my trip. - cancelled the night before, claiming that she had to go out of town unexpectedly for the week - said her friend new to the industry Evelyn Tate could come if I wanted - said i liked blondes and she suggest Vanessa Harlowe - no meeting
October 2014 - book Harmony Taylor at least 1 month before my trip - cancelled the night before, claiming that she had to go out of town unexpectedly for the week - she suggested here friends Madison Cruise or Kimmy Daniels could come - I said no thanks, but asked if she knew this new girl that caught my eye Kendra Marie - she did and help me set something up for 1AM - said kendra could do a duo with Brooke Waters if I wanted, I said no thanks - she also suggested Tess Tayler, who I had an eye on as well. - set something up for latter in the week as she was out of town until the next day. - met both Kendra and Tess and had a good time. I didn't see any red flags from those interactions.
April 2015 - book Harmony Taylor at least 1 month before my trip (this was her last chance as I was going to give up) - finally saw her and she was nice and seemed to know about the previous cancellations and back story
- also book Tess Tayler 1 week before the day - Tess texted me and canceled 2 hours before meeting time due to family - When I met Tess in October she talked about family issues as well, so I just assumed this cancellation as a continuation of those issues - she offered Brooke Waters as a replacement and I declined.
So there seems to be some group of friends helping each other out at minimum. I don't know if this proves any of the allegations in this thread. I'm just giving my experiences.
I'll be honest Tess and Kendra didn't seem like the sharpest knives in the drawer, but are good looking to me. Harmony seemed down to earth, genuine, could provide good conversation and was personable. So my experiences have been mixed as to people claiming girls seemed distant because of having to meet 5 people in one day.
Harmony did mention that she and Tess stopped a couple years ago for a period when Las Vegas had a big crack down when some pimp got busted. Maybe this was the original version of the group people are talking about?
Believe me, Love. If the group wasn't bad than when I left I would have had money and wouldn't have had to fight to get my accounts switched to my new name. Which I wouldn't have had to change my name at all if these guys were a real agency and not pieces of shits overworking and robbing us! And, No, this is not the same original group. That guy was doing physical harm and had the girls get his name tatooed on them. This group is not that bad but that does not make what they are doing right! Hope that helped out. xoxo Taylor Mae
I haven't read all the posts, but are you implying that it's dangerous to see people in this supposed group from a hobbyist perspective or is it just how the girls aren't being treated fairly and the shady bait and switch tactics
You should be safe, Love. It's mostly the girls that are being screwed. But I will saw avoid their incalls because mine was wired with cameras. To keep tracks on me not the clients I'm sure but still. Hope this helps! xoxo Taylor Mae
When you meet with one of the girls on this list, ask them about any of this going on the discussion boards. The girls involved with the group will know little to nothing about it. The group might tell them a few things to twist it like it's a lie and so the girls look like they do but be detailed and also ask them why they don't defend themselves on the boards. I'm sure that should work! xoxo Taylor Mae
emailed with breyalynn who claimed she "hated" the discussion on "the boards." I had the feeling that was a standard comment from whomever has control of her email account. Futhermore I asked to face time or Skype which met with no response other than, "I live alone, no boyfriend or anything and have my own apartment." Well that only confirms the girl's set up. Speaking of history I was cancelled twice in March 2014 within hours of dates by Ava aka Tess. I found thru my work Kristal Marie who was not a recommendation by Tess but part of the group at one time. You couldn't help but find one of the group young ladies if you were iso of an young 20s hottie. KM is gorgeous but lots of rules and upsells. Actually appreciated her on short notice and recall her saying "I know Tess ( Ava back then ) and she does that often she's young". More recently in Nov 2014 was cancelled twice by Christine. In late January early February she acknowledged "our dates were a long time coming" was promised she would be there this time. From communication with her and the former Tera I told both young ladies I KNEW someone had read our communications but was told the girls read them too ?! The day of my date with Christine I sent a p411 and recived back the response, "If you want to see me make a date". I replied "we have a 6:30!". Christine told me she chastised the booker and to never "do that again". So we know at a minimum a booker, on the surface not a major issue, was in charge of dates. However more than half the time and unbeknownst but suspected communication was NOT with the girl whom you thought you were in touch. In late February I flew to LV for 2 more dates with Christine which were no shows but cancellations within 26 hours for one and same day for the other. I had booked elsewhere cause I knew it was coming. I ended up with Madison Cruise again without knowledge of an agency, group, pimp or whatever. Her pictures are quite dated tho she seems like a nice lady. She was VERY protective of Christine whom "she knows very well".
I am just a simple dude from Michigan and saw Karson Lee last month based on her two awesome reviews. They were dead on and I am happy I saw her. After reading this post I wrote my own review about her which I never ever do. Just wanted to share that cause I don't think she is false advertising.
Girls I saw for 4 or 5 roses are now locked in at 6, or unbelievably to me, 7 roses by this agency.
But that is their right.
There is nothing wrong with a good agency. How do you know they are good? They have gorgeous girls and the girls stay with them.
But this group has hit the tipping point for me in price. There are many great options at 3 to 5 roses and those have been getting my hobby time lately.
But there is nothing wrong with agencies, except for price inflation. I remember I saw a porn girl once for 300. A porn agency saw her ad, took her on, and started charging 1000. That sucked. At least for me.
WHo CARES?! what difference does it make how or why other providers make money? either someone is jealous and dumping salt or someone's pockets were short and all the ones you like are outta your price range. I'm just saying...
It seems everyone has a pony in the race. I've heard everything from pimps, to agencies, to bookers, to other well known top girls, to a fiancé, that are doing bookings. All this from speculators, and story tellers that are all putting their .02 in. Here's my .02 about ME.
I've been silent, because I don't like drama or bullying. I like to focus on the positive and my job. I'm not here to defend myself in the drama and gossip. It's very high school. I have to many positive things going on to get caught up in the drama. I find it very upsetting that such lies are being told. I am a new, young, INDEPENDENT companion. I had help navigating this world when I started. Who didn't?!! I have never met the girl who was unfortunately in the bad situation. My prayers go out to her. I have never given a booker or friend more than the going commission rate that the agencies charge. I do not have help anymore and haven't in months. I, like most girls started with help and then went on my own. It seems the older girls and the newer girls have all started with help or agencies and branched off on their own. When we meet feel free to ask any questions to make you feel more comfortable so you can see I am truly independent. When I cannot make an appointment, or when I am asked if I have friends, I refer them. We are friends in real life and friends in this business. There is no pimp in my life. There is no deep dark secret. Please quit lying and speculating about me and let me enjoy my job and my life. I hope everyone has a happy and safe weekend.
Ok, RahRah. lol I'm so happy you are a real independent. Then you can start snapchatting with your clients and prove yourself independent with me! Good luck proving this LIE, Love! xoxo Taylor Mae
brooke is TOTALLY legit and i have seen a few of her friends it totally makes sense that they stick together and if i was a girl in the business i wouldn't want to do random duos with girls that i didn't know... its bad enough they have to work for a lot questionable guys... anyways this "group" is WAY better than some of the other so called "independents" out there that are using fake pictures or old ones or who are just plain bait and switch.
Thanks!! I have nothing to hide, I don't like drama and we talk about this crap a lot lol. I'd like to keep out of this especially because I don't even know some of these girls mentioned. I think people should see and judge for themselves I'm a catch with a great head on my shoulders and I have plans for myself.
Posted By: JamesTracy
brooke is TOTALLY legit and i have seen a few of her friends it totally makes sense that they stick together and if i was a girl in the business i wouldn't want to do random duos with girls that i didn't know... its bad enough they have to work for a lot questionable guys... anyways this "group" is WAY better than some of the other so called "independents" out there that are using fake pictures or old ones or who are just plain bait and switch.
I don't comment because I don't have anything nice to say and I was always taught if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all. Also I don't live on TER everyday. I get on once a week to post my ad and maybe one other time throughout the week. I have a very full and busy life that isn't on TER no offense. I have never met Tara/Taylor. I did work with someone in the beginning like every single girl on here. No one would know about this world without someone showing them. I am thankful for the introduction, and have moved on. I think everyone else should move on too. Isn't everyone as tired of the same group posts as I am? I have never given anyone all or most of my money. That's crazy! Anyone that knows me, would know, there is no way in hell I would ever pay a pimp or give away my money. I am independent and do my own thing. I know it's not the exciting gossip you want to hear, but it's the truth. If you don't know me don't make assumptions. And yes any client that knows me feel free to call me about this post.
I do not believe every single girl in this biz has started it with help...some okay and all as you said definitely not..
Posted By: ivyevans
I don't comment because I don't have anything nice to say and I was always taught if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all. Also I don't live on TER everyday. I get on once a week to post my ad and maybe one other time throughout the week. I have a very full and busy life that isn't on TER no offense. I have never met Tara/Taylor. I did work with someone in the beginning like every single girl on here. No one would know about this world without someone showing them. I am thankful for the introduction, and have moved on. I think everyone else should move on too. Isn't everyone as tired of the same group posts as I am? I have never given anyone all or most of my money. That's crazy! Anyone that knows me, would know, there is no way in hell I would ever pay a pimp or give away my money. I am independent and do my own thing. I know it's not the exciting gossip you want to hear, but it's the truth. If you don't know me don't make assumptions. And yes any client that knows me feel free to call me about this post.
Anyone who wants the truth, not saying that everyone does care but they can schedule an appointment with me and show them every damn text or email they want. I can show them the responses in P411 pm from when I left the group too! If all you are interested in is the info, I will do 30min appointments which I don't normally do if need be. You can all say and believe what you want but the proof is here waiting for whoever whats it.
End of story - I will no longer talk about this but the offer stands as long as it needs to.
This looks to be even uglier and more disruptive than what we had to endure. It sure would be a great thing if the upstanding members of the LV community would put their collective foot down and take their board back.
We can only wish. Tried and tried but my posts have been deleted.
Posted By: GaGambler
This looks to be even uglier and more disruptive than what we had to endure. It sure would be a great thing if the upstanding members of the LV community would put their collective foot down and take their board back.
you cannot start a new thread if the topic is already being discussed on page 1. If you have something to ad, post it to this this thread.
Posted By: lvchi4u
We can only wish. Tried and tried but my posts have been deleted.
Posted By: GaGambler
This looks to be even uglier and more disruptive than what we had to endure. It sure would be a great thing if the upstanding members of the LV community would put their collective foot down and take their board back.
I would agree with you that this is an ugly situation. A very ugly situation. Whenever this topic is brought up, it quickly takes on a life of its own. You see such a wide range of opinions about things, often brought up by individuals who opt to use a never seen before alias. This only adds to the speculation of their true intent or whether they have a hidden agenda.
I can't see the LV community ever putting it's collective foot down and taking back this board. Nor do I ever see this topic not being discussed. Every time a new lady shows up on the ad board who has a certain look she'll come under immediate scrutiny and suspicion about whether she is or isn't. Eventually someone will start this discussion all over again.
...steakhouses, rooms with best mirrors and best jacuzzis. That's really why people visit this board, after all, definitely not for useful information on pertinent hobby topics (insert that sarcasm emoji here). Anyone have a good sarcasm emoji they'd like to share? :p
I would just like to say first that I'm sorry Tera/Taylor was in that unfortunate situation. No one deserves that. BUT just because she was does NOT mean that every girl is. I have NEVER met, seen or even heard of Tera/Taylor before all of this drama started. I know, I know of & have met a few girls on this alleged list of "the group" through this & trying to understand where it came from because I know for me & the girls I know personally it is far from the truth. Not 1, NOT ONE, girl I know or spoke with knows her. I am not here to bash her or down play that she was being treated unfairly in her previous situation, just here to say that she does not know us or any of our situations, so she can not speak on them. I was introduced to TER through a girlfriend, she showed me the ropes (free of charge), if I have questions I ask her. If I can not make a date after I have spent my time clearing a gentleman to find out our schedules do not coincide, I refer a friend & hope he will consider me next time for the good referral. This works both ways, that does not mean that I am "shoving another provider down his throat." I (or anyone I know personally) has not & does not give anyone 100% of what they make. I do NOT have a booker. I AM independent. I hate that I have to "prove" myself independent to anyone but I would like to clear my name & continue to build a solid reputation here in Vegas. When we meet & you need that to feel more comfortable I can show you (off the clock 😉) my emails that come directly to my phone, our texts & log in to TER & show you that I am the one reading this from my phone. I understand the seriousness of this issue & why it is important for gentlemen to be informed, but do not agree with girls names being thrown in the fire under assumption they are connected with some alleged group who has a booker & represents them selves as independent all because we have similar pictures, websites or posting styles. Then somewhere along the line a pimp comes in? To be honest I'm actually confused on the actual story before it went down the telephone/gossip line, if the story even has some truth to it, & if so who the actual girls are. I can only speak for myself & personal friends but this whole story to us is bogus because we have no clue how we got involved other than pictures and websites being the same as other random girls.
I hope everyone enjoys their Sunday, Happy Mothers Day to all the mothers & good luck to everyone! 😘😘😘 Please do not hesitate to ask any questions you need to make you feel comfortable with seeing me. PS: I am available today (shameless plug lol) 😂
My wife and I spent time with Karson Lee this weekend. She is very sweet. Very good at what she does. She is a genuinely nice person. I was very hesitant before we saw her because of the same suspicion but I can tell you Karson is legit and very beautiful.
Posted By: LasVegasPSA
The following ladies have come under suspicion as an organized group advertising as independents with suspiciously similar marketing, pushing of doubles only within their group, VERY inflated review scores for brand new providers, and from the same group of reviewers.
This is not a claim that there is anything wrong with them except that they are rigging the system. Their latest approach is to use selfies and expand their portfolio of website designers and photographers to throw those that noticed their similarities off the scent. Of course there are more telltale signs, but divulging them will only make them smarter, so I've only mentioned the most obvious tells.
Remember that there's nothing wrong with agencies, but those that hide themselves often have a lot more to hide! Support your local true Las Vegas independents and agencies!
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