Hello!  I am a thirty-four year old, college-educated and professional (married) woman, and I would like to comment on Erik Hedegaard's article, "The Girlfriend Experience," in July's Playboy magazine.  My husband and I have visit Los Vegas on three or four occasions to gamble, drive out to the desert, eat at gluttonous buffets and to hire a girlfriend.  I realize four experiences with "girlfriends" does not me an expert or perhaps even a hobbyist by definition.  However, I take offense to Erik Hedegaard's assertion that the agencies are all "ripoffs."  Allow me to qualify that statement.  Perhaps the agencies are ripoffs.  One does not expect to get a "bargain" when hiring a professional lady to be a girlfriend for an hour or two (although my husband might disagree with that statement).  When you hire a girlfriend who is employed by an agency, you ensure that the girlfriend is concerned about her own safety.  Any woman who works in this business needs to be gravely concerned with her personal safety.  Frankly, there are molesters, rapists and sickos in general who would love to harm those woman.  And if you talk to any of the girlfriends that you hire (granted, most men are probably more interested in other things when talking; my husband never remembers their names much less what we talk about), they will tell you that they use an agency to protect themselves.  Most women who are "indies" do not have the resources to employ safety measures in their line of employment.  They simply take a risk.  My reasoning is that if they are willing to take risks with their physical safety what other risks do they take?  Have they had unprotected sex with some men because they wanted to make a couple hundred extra bucks?  If so, they are not the girlfriend for me.  
Sincerely,
The TrolliTroll

But hey, debunking trolls for my own amusement is fun for me, so what the hey...

"Hello!  I am a thirty-four year old, college-educated and professional (married) woman, and I would like to comment on Erik Hedegaard's article, "The Girlfriend Experience," in July's Playboy magazine."

Suuuuuuure you are.

And most people read Playboy for the articles.

"When you hire a girlfriend who is employed by an agency, you ensure that the girlfriend is concerned about her own safety."

1. Nope, because indies take measures as well. Pity you haven't talked to any.

2. Unless the muscle is IN THE ROOM with the lady, a guarantee of physical safety during is impossible (and even then, you can kill, incapacitate or hurt someone pretty darn fast if you know what you are doing). Really. Try this sometime: see if you or your husband can break into a locked hotel room within 30 seconds. Bet you can't.

3. Another news flash: a decent number of "agencies" are really covers for for "pimps". If you think pimps don't abuse ladies working for them, you are sadly naïve. (Where's Pimp4ADay when you need him?)

"Perhaps the agencies are ripoffs.  One does not expect to get a "bargain" when hiring a professional lady to be a girlfriend for an hour or two (although my husband might disagree with that statement)."

How about "I should get the price and service I was quoted on the phone"? What excuses someone being ripped off? Are you seriously arguing this is justified because agencies actually DO something?

"Most women who are "indies" do not have the resources to employ safety measures in their line of employment."

Here's another hint: multiply 400 (one session per day) times 200 (days a year). Now, granted, that's not including expenses and so on... but that's a CONSERVATIVE estimate of income for a provider- 200 days a year is 4 days a week. One session, four days a week = 80,000. A CONSERVATIVE measure, mind you (and remember, an agency takes 50% off the top of that, typically).

That pays for some akido, huh?

"They simply take a risk.  My reasoning is that if they are willing to take risks with their physical safety what other risks do they take?  Have they had unprotected sex with some men because they wanted to make a couple hundred extra bucks?"

Good grief- conjecture without any substantial evidence much? How do you know an agency lady wouldn't take off the condom for some extra cash?

So to sum up: you decided to post on something you have very little knowledge about, and made sure you looked stupid.

Please stick with your agencies and husband, and have a nice life... far away from this board. Thanks.

Mrs. Troll, you have it quite backwards.  We choose to work independently for many reasons.  We prefer not to give away any portion of what WE work hard to earn, be it to a pimp or an agency.  We prefer to do our own screening because we do not trust a greedy agency to do it for us, as most are less interested in our safety that their profits.  We are intelligent and savvy enough to run our own business rather than be pimped out by someone else.  And, of course, lets not forget we don't trust our safety to anyone else!  

As for safety concerns, I haven't met a decent independent yet who does not have her own set of precautions.  Not to mention a rigorous screening process a client must pass before even being considered.  Our safety is our utmost concern at all times.

You admitted to having very little experience with agencies, and apparently none with independents.  That being the case, where are you getting the information that "Most women who are "indies" do not have the resources to employ safety measures in their line of employment.  They simply take a risk."  Did you read some poll somewhere, take a survey?  Beyond that, what "safety measures" are you referring to that make an agency girl safer than an independent?  When it comes down to it, every provider takes some risk when she chooses to go behind closed doors with a client.  Last I heard agencies were not requiring a bodyguard be present in the room while the girl is entertaining you.

All in all your equation (independent = no concern for safety = bareback) is not only horribly skewed, but downright insulting.  The ironic thing is your assumption that an indie would do anything for a couple hundred extra.  Because it is the agencies girls who are more apt to bend the rules for a little extra as they have to pay their agency right off the top.

Don't get me wrong, there are a couple small, respectable agencies in Vegas, but for the most part in this town agency = hustle.

I suspect this response will be just one in a string of well written, articulate posts from intelligent, independent ladies.  Not to mention a few protective hobbyists.  Oh, and by the way, many of us "barebacking indies with no concern for our own safety" are also college educated and have prior (or current) professional careers.

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Giving new meaning to the term, "it's not the heat, it's the humidity."

Southern women seem to go the extra mile to look good, blame it on the French who spent a great deal of the 18th and 19th Centuries there.

Oh, and Mrs. Troll, you were doing just fine, albeit uniformed, but ok otherwise, until you slipped in that bareback comment. There's a word for that, it starts with "C", which women seem to bandy about a lot more often then men, except in the UK.

-- Modified on 6/14/2007 6:17:20 PM

An agency owner just trying to make agencies sound/look good while trying to discredit independents reputations because the article puts independents in a positive light ( as the independents deserve )

So sorry “college-educated and professional women” (or maybe man )You really came to the wrong place!

college?  You obviously have no idea what your talking about.  I'll have to agree with the post that this is an agency affiliate trying feebly to promote.  Go away, indys rule on this board.

Though I haven't visited Vegas in a couple of years, I doubt it's changed much.   In the past, I learned (the hard way) that agencies, the phone book, bar girls, etc. are generally either outright rip-offs, or at best, lousy service for alot of cash.   I don't remember even one good experience with any of them.
    On the other hand, the indies I've seen have been consistently well worth their donation. Always good, if not great sessions.   Bareback....I've never asked for it, but I'd bet alot any well reviewed indie would just laugh at the prospect.  Agency girls....considering how hard they upsell, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they would. For a good-sized pile of money, that is.
   Safety.....never been screened by an agency, at least not that I know of.   The indies screen heavily, though.  Seems the indies are considerably more protective of themselves, and my safety as well.
  My personal experience is you'll pay less for a better session with an indie, hands down. It's the only way to go.

Kandi and I have been trying to get laid for months now. Can you please tell us the agency? Who did you see? Was the fee OK? Please Please give us the website or contact info.

T&K

Your can PM us if you want, we won't tell anybody. We just want to get laid...

which one of us gets to brag on the educational front?  The drop-out with a basic grasp of the English language, grammar and usage?  or the college graduate that I can only assume passed English 101 & 102 with a "D"?

I am also extremely unprofessional and unmarried...but if the right girl ever comes along...

Now, personally I have nothing against agencies, one of my best friends runs what can be called an agency, in another state (can be called an agency if the only terms recognised are "agency" and "independent", she runs what would more correctly be called a bordello incall with her onsite).  I know that there are good agencies out there...none in Las Vegas that I am aware of, but what the Hell.

Let's look at your assertions of increased safety at agencies.
Many agencies employ "phone girls" that get paid by the appointments booked. These "phone girls" have no interest other than booking an appointment. The safety of the ladies sent out on appointments or the satisfaction of the clients is not a motivation, only booking the appointment to get paid for that booking is motivation.

Due to this fact many "phone girls" will lie about who is available, or who will show up at your hotel, and for the ladies they will either do no screening at all or half-assed screening just enough to send a lady and get paid for the booking.

The lady sent out for the appointment is alone, no pimp, agency owner or phone girl is going to be in the room with her.  No one else's ass is on the line, no one else is in the room to get arrested or to be beaten, robbed, drugged, raped, killed...

So...who do you think cares more about the well being of any lady taking an appointment? The lady herself or some guy collecting his 50% after the fact, or some phone girl sitting at home waiting for the next forwarded call?

The implication that agencies care more about the ladies that work for them than the independent ladies that work for themselves is laughable.  

If you honestly believe that any third party can care more about your safety and well being than you can / do your own, then how about you let me choose who you and your husband see next time you come to Vegas, since if an agency cares more about a lady than she does herself, I obviously must care more about you and your husband's safety and enjoyment than you do yourselves?
What do you say? Deal?  I'll start searching for the next lady for you as soon as you give me the word...and so that you can be sure I have the means to make a good choice I will of course require a 50% finders fee for ensuring your safety and enjoyment with my choice.

I have Only seen indies, in Vegas.  There is just too much evidence, here and on other boards, that agencies are rip-offs.  B&S, up-sell and C and D.  I'm sure there are those that have used the agencies, that have had good experiences.  The bad tend to be the ones written about.  But, there are a lot of bad times had by guys, using agencies.  I live in Phoenix, where we have a few of the best.  We are spoiled.  If someone, in Vegas ran an agency, like those here in PHX, nobody would complain about them.  'Till that happens, Vegas agencies are 'the plague'.  Maybe you should re-read the article and read, for the first time, some of the posts on this forum.

No, I am not a pimp nor do I represent an agency although I've often thought it would be a lucrative (excuse the pun there)type of business to own.  Thank you for your responses.  Most of them were interesting to read.  A lot of you are real veterans of this subject.  Clearly I am not.  Being a woman myself (yes, I am a woman), I read Eric's article (yes, I do read the articles AND LOOK AT THE PICTURES...) and looked at it from a woman's perspective.  The point is, I respect the girlfriends I have met and I worry about their safety.  Any conclusions I have drawn about agencies have been made from what the girlfriends told me themselves.  Yes, anything can happen once they are in the room with the dude, but at least the agency knows they are there.  Perhaps I don't know what I'm talking about.  If I were an indy I would be terrified for my personal safety and would probably carry a gun.
It's a little ridiculous to expect to get a bargain when you are paying for these services.  I don't know what $500 gets you with Nikki, but I doubt you even get to touch her that's probably another $500.  Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's worth it, but why do guys want to be cheap when it comes to this?  If you want some quality work from  a quality lady who are going to have to pay for it.  It's not time to double up on coupons at your local grocery store.  I nearly died of embarrassment during our first time with a girlfriend.  The girlfriend was already in the room, we had discussed what we wanted and then my husband balked because he thought it was too much money...  He's never going to live that one down.  
One last thing to the guys who supposedly can't get any action in Vegas... Have you actually been there?  You can't walk down the strip without one of those cardflippers giving you a card for an agency or an indy (believe me they will give them to anyone; I was 8 mons. pregnant and they still handed me one).
One more thing, I apologize for the spelling error (los-las).  All I can say is that I was in a hurry because I didn't want my kids to come in the room while I'm on this website as you can understand.  
Must say all of this has made me want to visit Vegas again...

You are making your self sound worse every sentence. Grab the shovel to get yourself out since you have it there to dig the hole that you are now in.

$500 pays for one hour of Miss Avalon's time and companionship....anything that may happen beyond that between two consenting adults is up to them. *wink*
If you do decide to pay around twice as much ($1100) that gets you about 3 hours of her time and companionship.

There is no extra $500 for touching her or her touching you...that would be illegal.

If you think upsell is standard you really need to get away from the agencies.  That is something Vegas agencies do, not something well respected independents do.

As for the cards on the strip...those are serious rip-offs.

Oh, and I am still willing to pick out a lady for you and your husband for that little 50% finders fee. *smirk*

If you are lucky enough to get an appointment with Nikki for an hour you would have an unforgettable experience. I know I have. If you wonder what $500 gets you with Nikki, try reading some of her reviews. Independant ladies generally do not upsell. From what I understand, agency girls usually do, although there is absolutely no way I would see an agency girl in Vegas. Also, the cards you get from the cardflippers are all agency girls, not indys.

The person to whom you are answering is quite obviously an ignorant asshole, just read her comments, and, because of this, she does not merit nor deserve your honest and well-intentioned replies and helpful comments.
My suggestion is to simply IGNORE the idiot and hope she goes away from this Board.  If you re-read her posts, you'll see that she doesn't deserve your help at all, nor anyone else's!

Actually, indies use cards too.  Perhaps not the ones on this website.  But I have seen them.  
We don't use cards.  I also mentioned them because some guy said he can't locate any agencies.  I think he hasn't been to Vegas.

Why not pony up the whopping $20 for a month membership here and actually read about what you'd get with Nikki for $500...or any other reputable indie.  Of course reviews are all fictional - you pay for our time and companionship, as Webdie mentioned.  

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That's the last person I've heard of that was as simple as you appear, and yet had such incredible luck.

You claim to have such successes with Las Vegas agencies.  There are PAGES of ripoffs here, almost all of them from agencies.  Nikki Avalon has 20+ pages of stellar reviews (one of them mine, in case you're wondering).  She has never tried to upsell me; rather she's been incredibly generous to me.  In fact, I've had several incredible experiences from independent women, none of whom have tried to upsell or perform dangerous acts.

makes me think that maybe you really are a female hobbyist.  This website is full of all the information you need to pick a reputable independent provider, like Nikki.  If you would have taken the time to read some of Nikki's reviews you would know exactly what to expect from a meeting with her.  You opened up a can of worms with your first post but this second one is sure to set the fires a blazing.  Nikki is a very highly regarded provider here in Vegas and you really have no right making any presumptions about her.  I'm sure that quite a few of her MANY fans are pecking away at this very moment.  This should be very interesting.

I was not going to jump on the bandwagon and attack your original post. I lived in Vegas for a little while, years ago, way before I discovered TER(TER wasn't even created, yet). And, I used an agency, which turned out to be quite a very nice experience. Maybe I just got lucky. Now, I rarely, if ever use an agency.
You are wrong about independents 'not having the resources to employ safety measures'. I don't know too many indies, that don't screen, check references, verify employment, etc.

But all that aside, HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY MAKE IGNORANT ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THE QUALITY OF NIKKI'S SERVICE? 'YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GET FOR YOUR $500?' IF YOU LOOKED, YOU COULD SEE THAT NIKKI HAS 27 PAGES OF STELLAR REVIEWS. WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED? YOU'RE ACCUSSING NIKKI OF UPSELLING? HOW DARE YOU?

You and your husband already had a provider in your room and then he thought it was too much money? You should probably stick with agencies.

NOW, IF SOMEONE COULD PLEASE GIVE ME A TIP ON HOW TO GET NIKKI TO RETURN MY E-MAILS? SHE HAS BEEN ON MY MUST-SEE LIST LONG BEFORE THE ARTICLE.

NIKKI, WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO?

"Actually, indies use cards too.Perhaps not the ones on this website.  But I have seen them. We don't use cards."

"We don't use cards" as in "Our agency doesn't use cards" Yes being a smart ass

Sorry true indies do not use cards ,oh I mean they don't have guys standing on the strip passing out their cards nor do they hang in the Casino passing out cards.

I think the guy meant that he couldn't find an agency in Vegas that wouldn't rip him off!!
Yes other cities have agencies that are for real.
(no upsale,girl in photo shows up,no cash and dash)
Vegas just doesn't work like that.period !!!

This is a motto of an agency girl- I try to make as much as possible while doing as less as possible ,and if I can leave with out doing anything......even better !!!

So if you are an "educated women",well then you would have invested $20 for a membership to educate yourself.

Or maybe if your lucky enough to ever see Nikki ,you will realize all this time you have been ripped off.
Like paid A LOT for very little.

But I still don’t think you are truly someone who hires escorts.
But if you are go hire an indie and see the difference.

Dear Mr. Scary Stalkerman,
If you had better reading comprehension you would know that I didn't say anything negative about Nikki.  Actually, I commented that her companionship is probably worth whatever it costs.  I didn't accuse her of upselling.
Perhaps she would return your messages if you weren't a weirdo stalker person.
It's a JOB to these women if you don't get that part.  A-dah.  She (and all of them) go to work everyday like you do (assuming you have a job).  They don't want a relationship with you other the "relationship" that you're paying a hour for.  Perhaps if you discussed these things with your wife or girlfriend she could explain them to you (oh, let me guess... not too successful at relationships?).

I thinkg you are playing solitaire with a
deck of 51........not to be confused with area 51.

Thank you
2007=27

You have the same misconceptions about indies that many people who have never actually dealt with one have. I never argue with anyone who shares your misconceptions anymore. I’m just thankful that you and the others stay out of the pool that I swim in. It’s too crowded as it is.

P.S. If you do pay the 20 bucks out of curiosity to see what’s really going on, don’t believe the reviews. We’re all bullshitters.

Below is your exact words from your post:

"It's a little ridiculous to expect to get a bargain when you are paying for these services.  I don't know what $500 gets you with Nikki, but I doubt you even get to touch her that's probably another $500"

No, that doesn't sound like you're accusing her of upselling.

Now get back under your bridge where you belong

Isn't it unfortunate some times that the printed word can't vanish quickly enough to hide one's dumb comments?  

You are continuing to prove that you don't know Nikki.  Otherwise, you'd recognize what the problem is with her not returning the message.

I haven't actually read the article, but it appears that Vegas agencies have been exposed, in a national magazine, for the overall lousy, yet expensive, service they normally give.  Seems to me that a great service has been done for hobbyists worldwide.

    Picture this....Joe Tourist goes to Vegas for his vacation. He's heard all the rumors, like 'what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas', and so on. Sin city, right?  Maybe he's hobbied before, maybe not. He's new to the city, and doesn't know about agencies here.  Maybe he's even used an agency in his hometown, with success. He thinks he's safe with an agency, they've got to be ok, or they wouldn't still be in business, right?  Alot of cash and one or more lousy experiences later, he's beginning to wonder why he came here at all!

    Do you think our hero is likely to come back anytime soon?  Ever again??  If he were to read this article, he might just approach the city from a slightly different viewpoint, and maybe have a much better time.  One he'd likely repeat. Over and over.   You get the idea; agencies do considerable damage to the tourist trade that Vegas relies heavily upon, and true exposure can only benefit everyone. (Except the agencies, of course!)



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I'm not ready to go under my bridge yet.  What is upselling?  Promising something for a certain amount and then charging more it actually get it?  This happened to us using an agency, but it wasn't much more.  $200 for the girlfriend to visit (agency fee) and $300 for the girlfriend's fee.

I think I have to pay the $20 just to find out what you guys are talking about.  Guarantee you the husband won't mind paying...  Happy Father's Day, honey...

I would be the scarey unemployed stalker type that isn't good at relationships of any kind.

You know Miss Stalker I like your posts...this is the only fun I have had in weeks...I am actually laughing and stuff...

With the extra added bonus of all of your myopic, misguided, ill-informed posts allowing for folks here to have an excuse to speak to a none to well kept secret that Las Vegas agencies are trouble at best.

I will say, you did accuse Miss Avalon of upselling...upselling is when one price is quoted and then another is demanded for anything other than showing up.  What you apparently commonly experience with your wonderful agency experiences, but is frowned upon and seen as a less than forthright business practice by everyone else.
Accusing a lady of questionable business practices is, at least in Las Vegas, seen as saying something negative.  Maybe you can tell me what your profession is, since you made such proud mention of being a "professional" in your first post which started this thread, and then I can say you use underhanded practices in that profession but say your use of such is probably worth it for what you get done...and then you can tell everyone and I can say I didn't say anything negative about you...Hell I can even imply it was some kind of compliment.

Oh, and that offer for finding the next "girlfriend" for you is still open at the same safety ensuring low price of 50%.

and quoted "lack of expertise"  how do you know what resources "indies" use or don't use to book clients? You don't.  Your post is so blatantly ignorant and foolish.  Honestly, you should get a little more knowledge of the profession before you start making sweeping generalizations.  I am personally offended at your coment of "what other risks are they taking just to make a few hundred extra bucks?" Jesus Christ. Independents don't need to take risks for chump change.  We do very well. Hence the name "independent." To translate that for you: It means we don't require a pimp to handle our "few hundred extra bucks" for us because he has sooooo many resources for us to remain safe. LMFAO.  I have two more words for you:  WEBSTERS DICTIONARY. Ignorance and bad spelling is doing nothing for you and neither is your post.  I take solace in the fact that you won't be contacting any of us independent providers. You wouldn't pass my screening and I prefer serious inquiries only.

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-- Modified on 6/15/2007 7:22:46 PM

No, you are employed, dear.  Clearly, you are not the unemployed stalker type.  Since you asked I am a first grade teacher (thank god this is anonymous).
I do apologize for inadvertently accusing Nikki of upselling.  You defined upselling for me.  Yes, I see it's quite unprofessional to upsell in Vegas. I think this happened to us every time we hired a girlfriend.  Perhaps you can rely my personal apologies to Nikki and tell her I said to stay away from the stalker guy.
However, I still don't see what the big deal is.  If I'm going to do something so abhorred (not by me, but by the society and community I live in), I don't expect to pay $100 for it.  Of course, I also don't expect the girlfriend to pretend that my husband's c#$* is the biggest one she's ever seen unlike 99% of these gentlemen hobbyists I wager.  
My husband wants to know about Nikki and the $500.  We'll check out her site.

Okay, I'm sure you are a wonderful person, etc.  However, anyone who has used a girlfriend in Las Vegas (agency or no) knows that a lot of these women are high on alcohol or drugs so that they can even perform the services.  Let's be honest here.  Under those circumstances, I'm sure some of them take chances.  Anyone who uses them thereby takes a chance.  I've done so myself, however, I'm not ignorant about the lifestyle that goes along with your profession.  I have two words for you:  Masters Degree.  If you had one you wouldn't need to be a "girlfriend."  Don't even try to pretend you chose this career over all others because even  your hobbyists and patrons (if they actually cared) believe it's what a woman picks for herself over getting an education and having a career that a guy can admit to his family you have...

It should actually read inexperience not in-experience if you want to be picky.

and you never will!!! Praise God. lmao. You are an f-n disgrace and complete Jerry's Kids donation in one. No offense to Jerry's Kids.

Why do you think everyone is married ??
or maybe his wife ,like you ( yeah right,my vote is still your an agency......cause I know what I got for an extra $300, and I wasn't a happy camper)is joining in the fun.

and your fake reviews may bring a bit of business but in the long run the truth comes out.

So give it up.

I gleaned that information from the women I met who worked for agencies.  They said that wanted to feel safer and that the agency keeps track of where they are at all times.  I think any person (male, female, free relations or paid relations) is capable of taking a risk is the price is right.
I don't think what I said applies to you, and I understand that you would feel defensive.  I'm sorry if you feel insulted or any other indies do.  I personally felt that the article knocked agencies and in my experience the agency was discreet, had a girl to us in less than 20 minutes, all positive.  To be honest, I wondered if the author was paid by someone to be biased against the agencies as he was.
I apologize to you.  
However, I do not believe for a second that most of the indies are college educated and left professional career.  Of course, most of them say that they did, but it's a probably a lie 9 times out of 10.  What does it matter?  I only mention that I'm an employed woman in anticipation of any other posters thinking I'm some stay-at-home-mommy who lives off of my husband.

When does "YHBT. YHL. HAND." show up?

What do you want?  Home run for $300?  Unless you are Brad Pitt I don't think so.  
Does it bother you to think that a woman who is married could be open-minded about this subject?  
Why?  Should women be at home barefoot and pregnant if they aren't indies?

No, dear, I'm simply honest and that's what you can't stand.

I see you used your dictionary!!!!! Good girl. Not that I need to stoop....but....try two masters degrees dip shit.  The first one didn't work for you.  I have two college degrees.  I choose this profession because I can. I also choose to not be married and kids don't appeal to me. Don't comment on the type of person I am either. Once again, you don't know. I'm learning that you like to keep the stupidity ball rolling and I am done with your ball of shit post. Take care of your bridge Troll. All the college students from all across America are coming to take photos of it and get your autograph.

Did you pick Santino Corleone because he's supposed to be hung like a horse in the novel by Mario Puzo?

How did you become a school teacher if your so bad at math ???

You paid a total of $500 and didn't even get a home run ???? Well then enough said!!

Where did you get that I am not open minded ?? If I wasn't open minded ,I wouldn't be hiring independents.

Were these college degrees from accredited universities?  Hhhmm... Or were they from the University of Your Imagination?
Don't get me wrong; a college degree doesn't mean shit.  Anyone can go college unless it's Ivy League like mine was!!  Plus I'm the only child of my siblings to go to college.
However, I think you should post those supposed degrees (with your real name black out) on your website, as should anyone else who claims to be a college-educated indy.  I can claim to be the Queen of Sheba, but that doesn't make me a queen.  It's so common for "girlfriends" to claim to be college-educated, just like it's common for strippers to claim to be college girls who need some extra cash.  They all say they are, but most of them aren't.

Ok now I feel sorry for your students if you really are a teacher.

What proof is it posting a degree on a website while blocking out someone’s name ?? It could belong to anyone.

Geez I hope you don’t argue so much at home with your husband , always wanting the last word. No wonder he wants to hire escorts.

Just give it up, your responses are not getting any smarter.

Ok, so like where is the mod when you need him ?? LOL LOL

QUOTE:
"Plus I'm the only child of my siblings to go to college."

You are the child of your siblings?
Well, that explains a lot.
See folks this is why inbreeding is frowned upon.

WT , you crack me up !!!  ROFL ROFL

unemployed. The stalker type thing...that's debatable.

You are correct you shouldn't expect to pay $100...that is why when your agency sends a "girlfriend" for $200, she tells you that is just for showing up, and then charges you more per activity.

I would also suggest since Miss Avalon replied to this thread, any apologies you wish to make to her you do yourself.

Don't feel sorry for them.  They love me.

That's true about degrees.  

Then again, everything on this site could belong to anyone... including the bodies of some of the women.  

Actually, my husband and I never argue.  He was reading over my should for a while but got bored so now he's watching the PGA Tournament.

And some people might say that he's lucky he has a wife who wants to share that experience with him (actually who persuaded him to do so)...  You act a man wouldn't want to hire a girlfriend unless he's unhappy in his relationship.  Oh, on the contrary!  I think MANY men and women have the urge, but they LIE about it!  How is that better?

If you think I'm a big idiot (maybe I am) don't read my posts.... Sweetie Pie...

Inbreeding... that must be what is wrong with me!

I knew that , just teasing

Hope I can add to the train wreck since nothing good on TV till the fall.

Popcorn , check!
coke , check ! troll you do know that means coca-cola not the drug.
Soon you will start saying all clients are on drugs too.

Sorry I wouldn't know much about that since I am SINGLE and by choice !!

BTW it is still very odd to me that a REAL client would go to such great lenghts to defend agency girls (they are FAR from girlfriends)

Yep that is why they call me Crimetracker LOL LOL

I so love popcorn and trainwrecks both.

Smarty was so bored he went out and bought new towels and bedsheets.   Still Bored?!??  Ask and you shall receive! LOL.

at least I think we got a few points across:

1) for the most part, agencies are ripoffs.

Based on personal and secondhand experiences in Las Vegas, most agencies collect a fee, upfront, to send a girl to your room.  Whether that price is $69 or $500, I don't think it matters.  The girl that shows up generally works for tips only (meaning she doesn't get any cut of the agency fee).  The scenario where the provider asks for more money is called upsell.  Most guys consider the upsell a ripoff.

2) Nikki Avalon has a great reputation here (and elsewhere).

If you look at that Playboy article, you'd notice the writer talks about why TER and some other websites exist, for a repository of reviews of various providers.  When a provider tries to provide a great level of service and cares about these reviews, she can probably be counted on to provide similar experiences.  Not necessarily independent, but in Las Vegas, they usually are.

For the writer to single out Nikki Avalon shows how she has an incredible talent at pleasing guys (in addition to her numerous reviews by herself, she has quite a few reviews with other providers).  You'll notice that most, if not all, reviews are great.  I think one other point is that you won't find her (or most well reviewed providers) to upsell.  If you book an hour with her for $500, she won't ask for more money (FYI, some providers have slightly higher rates for couples appointments).

3) The health of a provider is their own business.

Whether a provider works for herself or an agency, their health is a matter of their own priorities.  I would like to think that any person working in this business has their personal health and well being protected.  The only case where you know for sure that a provider is checked out are the ones working the legal brothels outside of Clark County, NV (the closest ones to Las Vegas are the Chicken Ranch and Sheri's in Pahrump, NV).  The workers there are required to be checked weekly.  FYI, the ranch generally keeps 50% of the negotiated fees (or a house minimum if it's too low).  For the most part, agencies aren't really interested in a provider's health.  All they care about is the fee they collect from you for getting someone to your room.  It's extremely cavalier, cutthroat market they work in but it's a legitimate business here in Las Vegas.  For them, advertising via cards, freebie booklets/magazines, large/moving billboards, yellow page listing (it takes up a nice chunk here) are all great ways of getting some sucker to call them up so they can make some money.

4) Providers who work through agencies are not there to protect themselves.

While there are some agencies elsewhere (like Phoenix) that are in the business to provide great service and care for the people working for them, in Las Vegas, the main reason for going through an agency is to take care of lining up clients.  The agency takes the calls/emails/web requests, calls up a bunch of providers who might be available and gets them to the room ASAP.  You might notice that you get inquiries from other potential providers during or after the first one shows up.  Working for an agency does not protect a provider from being assaulted or arrested.  There's a reason you can't call up Nikki Avalon at the last minute and expect to get her to show up (per the Playboy article).  She has some information she requires in advance and gives her some piece of mind before giving you an hour (or more) of her time.  That's a lot more information required than most agencies in town (which would rather get good credit card info that clears the fees).

Bob

I miss you too, my sexy gangster stallion!

Love, Lust & Light...always,

Nikki

You've made so many friends, in so little time. No really, this has been very entertaining. The boards have been a little slow. Keep coming back.

This whole thing is getting old now.  Yes, Mrs. Troll's comments/accusations piss me off, hence my previous replies.  But at this point it is abundantly clear she is just ignorant, arrogant and condescending.  She may very well have a Master's degree and be academically intelligent.  However, it is quite obvious her self esteem is in the basement.  Otherwise she would not feel the need to crudely judge and look down upon our profession and community with absolutely no real knowledge of what we are about while bragging about her own accomplishments.  I am actually starting to feel sorry for this woman.  How small the world must be for a person with such a closed mind and a narrow view.  How many wonderful and interesting experiences she must miss out on.

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Maybe you are unclear with how TER works.  The rating system, reviews and discussion boards are in place to inform the hobbyist of providers who are "below board" sort of speak.  I believe the article did mention that in the past providers were easily able to rip off hobbyists, but that TER and the internet in general has made them much more accountable.  However, I am referring to reputable providers who would never do such a thing anyway.  Sadly, there are those who do fit the profile you have in mind.  You won't find them around here though and they were NOT what the article referred to.  This is a moderated board and such riff-raff gets weeded out quickly.  You can, however, find their reviews if you search for lower scores.  

I will only speak for myself but I have never done drugs, unless you count weed on less than 6 occasions in my whole life.  I rarely even drink.  I do not gamble.  I live in large, new house in a very nice, family neighborhood.  I volunteer my time in the community.  And yes, I am college educated.  Yes, I did leave a successful professional, hi-tech job to pursue this career.  I was simply unhappy, feeling underpaid, overworked and unappreciated by the large corporations I had worked for.  I now run my own business, set my own schedule, work a lot less hours and I am very much appreciated by the people I work with.  I also still do a bit of freelance work in my previous profession, at my own discretion, no pressure, which makes it fun again.  I have met plenty of other ladies who are the same.  It may also surprise you to find some of us are also happily married (to men who are fully aware of what we do and proud of us - and NO, not pimping us or living off our earnings) and some even have families.  We are not the women you see on HBO's Pimps Up Hos Down.    

Open your mind a little and realize that just because a person may not think or live just the way you do they are not necessarily wrong or beneath you.  Just different...  

My suggestion to you is maybe you should try finding a good indy next time you visit Vegas.  Shop around ahead of time, plan in advance.  She is not going to show up 20 minutes after you call her.  She will want to screen you beforehand and may have a full schedule if you wait until the last minute.  Give it a try.  I think you will find you are back here posting a HUGE apology for your negative assumptions.  And I bet hubby will be quite happy as well.

I'm guessing this is a disgruntled provider with an axe to grind on Nikki. Only the mods know for sure.

Sorry, it's a sort of Pavlovian response.  Ashley, you're the best, and I love it when you get feisty.

You guys can't have all the fun, all the time, you know.

At the very worst, I'm half wrong. This post clearly had Nikki in mind, it's just a question of who it is coming from and why.

With your sick self absorbed (actually insecure attitude) degree of whatever level or no degree what in the world would anynoe (including your acclaimed husband) want to have anything to do with you.  You could have a hundred advanced degrees and still be intelectually DISGUSTING to me and most on this board.  You will be fortunate to be able to hire a provider in the future and I am sure that no matter what the amount once around your sick mind would never see you again for any amount.

I am not reading this thread to follow your post.  I just find it interesting in all of these posts there is not even one that comes close to supporting, your demented attention neededy sick mind.  I am happily divorced and I couldn't be paid enough money to enter into a relationship let alone a marriage with your clone.  If your are still married in 5 years, my substantial assets (guaranteed more then your including my degrees will be yours you f----c---!

Inbreeding is serious enough, however there is way more wrong with your sick head!!

Great post BBB!  Freeking A!
cruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuughhhhhhhhhhhh
Rock on!

-- Modified on 6/19/2007 12:28:42 AM

Some of us do this to PAY for our education. Some of us do this for sport.
I'm pernickety and do it for both.
You however, are picayune in this discussion and
Besides this conversation on this subject can become syncretistic on many levels.
I further disreguard your comments as valid.
Eat that in your bowl of wheeties tomorrow morning Miss Sunshine of Disinformation.

What does Nikki have against Cheerios?!

I could make her a breakfast with Cheerios she'd happily eat up!

I like Cheerios ... and I like Nikki too!