Saw that review also - surprising compared to the rest of the high marks.

Assuming his side of the story was true, and it did seem very honest, maybe she could apologize by offering a make-up date to restore her high reputation and apologize to the guy.

An mistake of too much partying (and everyone is human) should be a lesson for all, and maybe a constructive episode.

Note that the total number of reviews is off - the top 100 list is one more (including the erased one) than the profile total!!!

Recently, I read a review about a Top LV provider. The review was not flattering, outlining how the provider  seemed to have been out partying the night before, and didn't seem to have much energy for the late AM appointment, and how she spent a lot of time in the restroom vs. activity and cut the time well short of the agreed upon appointment etc... Again, not a flattering review, but not brutal, and it seemed pretty honest, and was written by someone with a decent review history.

A few days later, this review mysteriously disappeared. I have seen this kind of disappearing act on numerous occasions, most often with highly rated companions who probably don't want their reputations besmirched by a low score (no matter how warranted).

It is deplorable that these reviews get deleted for no discernible justification. No doubt a complaint is being lodged by someone and the review is then being pulled.  

I was all set to reach out and see this lady on my upcoming trip to LV but now I am reconsidering. It's tacky to not have the confidence to let your other reviews speak for themselves. We all have our bad days where we underperform, or days you don't click with someone etc., and it is what it is. To make up some excuse or lie to have low scores pulled = it's deplorable and lame, and personally, reflects poorly on the integrity of TER and more importantly the provider.  Pathetic, really.

If you underperformed and didn't deliver, don't lie to have have an honest review deleted. Use it as stepping stone and learning experience. If you have an early bird appointment, don't go out partying the night before. So on so forth. Don't throw the hobbyist/reviewer under the bus. It's pathetic and unprofessional to say these least.

Funny.
I got a bad review that was just down right ugly lol 3/3 (the guy said I was Homely looking, you can tell the reviewer was just trying to hurt me.)  
I got intouch with TER to have it removed but the TER  
told me that once a review goes up it can not be removed, it seems they can.
I've seen more than a few go up about Ladies that take them off thier 10/10 score to 8/6 Or 7/5
and are removed with in 24 hours or less.
To funny none of the reviews I've seen removed were written out of pure ugliness like mine, but TER found them damaging to the Ladies reputation.    

So for me my bad reviews just prove I'm not for Everyone.

You're giving the benefit of the doubt to the hobbyist in this instance; how do we know he didn't post a maliciously inaccurate review for a number of reasons ( he requested "menu items" that the provider didn't offer, he couldn't "perform" & blamed the provider, for unknown reasons he held a grudge against the provider, etc. )

A bad review can be the fault of the provider, hobbyist or both. To speculate on such a matter is pointless, because, unless you're in the room with the both of them, you don't know what the hell went on & are needlessly jumping to conclusions.

Every review is a he said/she said situation. So to me that argument contributes little to this discussion.

I feel that TER is like reviews on Amazon, in that you let the entire body of reviews do the talking instead of being tactless and having reviews erased like it never happened. If someone paid $ for a service, then this person should be given the benefit of the doubt to review as he saw it. We all have different perspectives, so there are different realities. You have reviews on Amazon where most people give something 4-5 stars, but every now and then there is a low score. The tiebreak should go to the customer, again given that the hobbyist has a verifiable review history.

Moreover, in this case, the score was a 7/7 which is an above average score. It was by no means a mean-spirited review. And although this goes to he said/she said, the review imo strained to be very objective and balanced in laying out both the positive and negatives, and again is reflected in the 7/7 score. It was not a 3/3.

To me, after reading the review, I clearly felt that the review was an honest portrayal. And based on this premise, I personally believe that the provider went to lengths to erase this review despite the fact that it was accurate. Which for me = Tactless . Period.

Exactly!!! Thank you for making my point. Admins who don't really know what happened should not be removing negative reviews. Sort of defeats the purpose for why all you guys are here and what this website community was originally designed for.

Tori

I couldn't agree more, other hobbyists need to be aware that they may very well get a less than expected experience for their time and money. It seems as though the providers are running TER now. We can't post a review for NCNS's, there's no record of how many times they've dumped on someone, lack luster reviews get dismissed because they're not similar to most of her other reviews which teaches providers they can get by with poor performances and if they're posted they can have them removed.
While I'm certain that it isn't only providers who are at fault, I do believe they get jaded and because they may feel the need to satisfy the big spenders they take it out on the guys that don't have as much to spend, but would actually treat them better.
The only fair way to deal with it is to permit rebuttles, but you can tell by reading some of the blacklists, how bitchy a lot of them really are.

The review could have been fake you do not know if the provider even saw the gent who posted that review.
Just because a gent has a previous review history does not necessarily mean he will not post a fake review.It has happened more than once.
It might have been a real review or fake no one really knows.
I had a fake review posted sometime ago by a gent who has a review history the scores were good the issue was I never seen this gent.I know I did not see him and due to him specifying something on my menu which had been upgraded over a year before he posted the review I knew for sure it was fake.It was removed.


Now,I am not naive to the idea that might occur providers having a not so great review removed to maintain their perfect scores but does anyone really know?No one ever said the review system was perfect but like another reply said this is basically he said/she said no one knows what happened in the room except for those two people.


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Many times the providers threaten the hobbyists and the hobbyist has them taken down as an act of self preservation. Many times the providers complain to TER and rather then fight it, the agree to have it removed.

This happens with well reviewed providers and a lot more often then most people realize.

This will be happening even more, and I don't think I have to explain why.

Reviewing under alias and waiting for 60 to 90 days to review may help, but with only one single review alias makes it an almost worthless function after a second review.

I don't know which provider you're referring to, but, for sake of argument, lets say vast majority
of her reviews are 8/8 & up & review you're referring to is an an abrreration/anomaly. If that's the case, it COULD have been a maliciously inaccurate review from a hobbyist with an "attitude". Or maybe not. Really impossible to tell, unless you were there.

The only way you MIGHT have inside info on this
is if you knew the hobbyist/reviewer previous to his "unfavorable review" .

Is that the case ?

Also, for argument's sake, how do we know you don't have a grudge against this provider because of a "bad screening process" or something else we're not aware of ? Maybe. Maybe
not.

The only way this might be resolved is if provider & hobbyist in question air their views on the matter here. However, that's been done before on this board & nothing was settled.

In my humble opinion, since impossible to verify either way, pointless to ague about this.



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There are a couple ladies here in San Diego who are so concerned about the reviews that they lobby TER to yank anything with an 8 or lower(!), and TER does it for them!  As with the review mentioned in this thread, the reviews being pulled aren't always malicious or ugly (though some certainly can be), but just "we didn't click" types of reviews. The girl freaks out and TER takes it down. It ain't right.

Can't PM reviewer. The review is no longer active and I don't memorize reviewer ID handles. Which is another reason the review should be left to stand.

Also, who is to say what is an abnormal or normal occurrence? the point of having reviews written and shared by a community is that the whole body of work will speak for themselves. One bad review out of 20 is abnormal and most people probably would not pay much heed to that one poor review, but that doesn't mean these reviews should be taken down. When these "anomalies" are erased, the integrity of the community is jeopardized imo.

And like I said before, I think the tie should go to the runner. I agree it's hard to say exactly what happened, but the "customer" should be given the benefit of the doubt. Let the community read the review and let them make their own informed decision based on the content of not only the bad review, but all reviews in totality. The more data points there are, the better for the community. If someone wants to check if the hobbyist is a "hater" or is actually a reasonable person, the community can PM the reviewer and get more context/background and get a better sense of tone, logic etc, but now that the review has been taken down, that option is closed. All that is left is a black hole. And that is not a plus for the community.

Also, although I am using this specific case to make my point about this issue, I am making this argument for all instances where this happens. I've seen pulled reviews on many, many instances (and in some cases, the erasure was probably warranted because the tone was so mean/hateful etc), but you will see that other hobbyists have verified that they too have seen this happen on numerous occasions.

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From the score (7/7) and content (now no longer active), it was HARDLY malicious nor blatant.

In fact, one of the reasons I remember this review is that writer worked so hard to be balanced, in giving credit to the provider in certain areas such as looks, etc. I wish the review was still up because I am positive most people would agree after reading it that though it might not have been the score that a certain someone might have wanted, the tone and content was balanced, articulate, and even seemed to apologize a bit saying "hey maybe it might have been me?"

Now that the review is gone all that is left is conjecture for anyone who did not read it. I, however, read the review and will stand by my opinion that I am certain many parts of the review, if not at all, were accurate.

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So all we can do is guess. I usually go with the assumption that the provider offered to make it up to the guy with a free session or whatever if he'll ask TER to pull it immediately. In that case, I think the original should be left until the next session actually happens and he can replace it.

But I'm just guessing. As they say, the reviews are the property of TER. They get to make all the decisions after they're submitted.  If they wanted, they could refuse to pull any review even if one or both of the parties involved asks (or begs, lol) them to.

Honestly there are parts of the thread that just cant be argued with. But there are certainly parts where the OP takes literary license in my opinion. Keep in mind there is nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree, we will all do that.

To begin with, the OP was not present. He has no idea if the meeting was "real". He was not present to see the interaction and he was not present to see what happened. I love it when a hobbyist claims "she was just not on her game" or some form of that. Sure that happens. In fact I will give the hobbyists the benefit of the doubt that its more common than him "not being on his game". But its a fact that hobbyists are guilty of this as well. The Author does not have any proof that it was even a real review.

I have not seen the review that is being described, but from what the OP states it does not sound like a review that was done in malice. It sounds like the hobbyist was left unhappy. A review is a review, and as a general rule of thumb its VERY difficult to get one removed by the companion. It certainly flies in the face of all TER stands for. To allow reviews to be remove for no good reason undermines the basic roots of the system and if I were a hobbyist I certainly would not be happy. And point standings are without a doubt not a good reason. I can say that from personal experience its VERY hard to get a fake or malicious review removed.  Not only did I have to request it, I had to tell them why. Then they came back and wanted more info. They were very cautious about removing it.

All of that being said I don't have an issue with the Authors concern with the review. He is doing his research and thats what TER is for. I do have a simple suggestion. If the score on the review is so upsetting, contact the companion and ask her what the deal is. If the disappearance of the review is so upsetting contact her as well. It cant help to ask now can it? If that does not work try to contact the reviewer, the RO board or backchannel should eventually get you two together even if he posted under an Alias.

Now here is where we would tend to agree to disagree. The Author takes this event ( real or not ) to the board. Then he uses this event to launch into some very broad statements directed at companions. Essentially he states companions are in complete control of their standings and that we are pathetic, lame and deplorable. I take personal issue with this, not that it really matters.

To begin with he states that " this kind of disappearing act on numerous occasions, most often with highly rated companions who probably don't want their reputations besmirched by a low score (no matter how warranted)."  Really, and I do mean really? While I admit I don't pay attention to the reviews compainos get, other than to research my next clients needs, but really? I don't have any empirical data to support that kind of thought. I tend to think that he does not either. If such a thing exists I would love to get my hands on it. I would especially like to see the ratio between highly rated and non highly rated.

While I don't doubt that a few companions may have gotten a low score removed by a stroke of luck, think about this. A piss poor performance is more often the result of something far more complicated than a "bad" day. If it happens once it will happen again. Just how many times do you think a companion can cry wolf to TER about a "fake" review. Keep in mind that according to TER admin, the ONLY way they will remove a review is if they feel it is fake or its intent was to be falsely  malicious. My point is that this "highly rated" companion cant do this over and over. This tends to shed doubt on the authors statement that this happens on "numerous" occasions.

Which leads me to my next question, whats the benchmark for "highly rated"? Is it score, is it volume, is it based over certain scores during a set period of time? And if you stop to think about it, its the non highly rated that should be doing this more often, thats how they would become highly rated. Whatever the threshold is for highly rated.

Then there is the statement of reviews getting pulled for no discernible justification. This is an issue the author should take up with TER. The last person he should be blaming for the review disappearing is the companion. She has nowhere to report it. If you want to be informed then good luck. However neither you nor I are in that decision tree, like it or not. But don't blame the companion if you didn't even try to ask her what happened.

I agree that it is pathetic and unprofessional, to act is such a way as the Author states. And making unsupportable claims is as well.

Just my two cents

and was also surprised.  Nobody but the two of them know if the 7 for performance was warranted by a off day, but she's not a 7 even in curlers, bathrobe, with bloodshot eyes.  With over 40 reviews, her appearance ratings are in the top 15 in TER, and call me biased (I am), but they are deserved.

Without input from the two involved, or from TER, this is going nowhere

This thing has happened to me a few times.  I gave a few provieders in NYC a lower score (I did not even think it was bad, around 7, although one provider a gave a 3 for performance) and 3-5 days later it was taken down.  I contacted TER and they said the provider requested it to be removed, some how and for some reason they removed it.  Well what is the entire point of this site....

I have had experiences with well reviewed providers that, for whatever reason, were less than stellar.  I have elected not to write reviews of these experiences because I was not able to really ascertain if the lack of performance was due to my idiosyncracies or an off day from the provider.

If I am not clear as to the reason, I see no need to slam the provider.

I have been fortunate in the hobby. I have never had a bait and switch or really any negative experiences.  I do my research carefully.

I disagree with taking any review down, the purpose of this service is to inform users and deleting a review is ignoring the reason for having a membership in the first place.  When I see reviews that are outliers to typical scores, I'll read the review and make a determination about the reliability of the REVIEWER.  I've seen ladies with one or two negative reviews and come to the determination that the negative reviewers were responsible for their experience.

That said, one negative review can affect search results for ladies and adversely affect their reputations and incomes.  It only takes one asshole to harm a provider and I am speculating that most providers have run into more than one asshole.

I would recommend a couple of changes to TER.  First, enable the ladies to respond to reviews.  They should be able to say "this is fake" or client was drunk or something to explain the outlier score.  Second, TER should base their searchable ratings based upon recent reviews only.  Say, as in a golf handicap, only the most recent 20 reviews are counted.  This way one asshole doesn't have long term damage to a providers reputation.

Per replies to the thread, it is obvious that many reputable hobbyists have witnessed or have been on the receiving end of this same phenomenon. It is extremely doubtful that all these people coming forward are liars, haters, etc.

Peeps like StripclubAddict have a great history of reviews and I am sure he would have lots of providers vouch for his character. So when someone like Addict writes a "poor" review about a top score provider, are we supposed to all say "well no one really knows the truth...? It's all conjecture, it's he said/she said, it could have been Addict's fault"  blah blah blah and allow the review to be yanked if the provider makes claims that it is inaccurate or false? yeah, that makes sense...NOT.

I agree there is no blanket statement that can be made on each individual case as to what the "truth" is and what exactly transpired...And, despite the fact I have received ample PMs by highly reliable and reputable community members on both sides (hobbyists/providers) that have backed me on my original conclusion about this yanked review in question, I will retract my statement and concede that perhaps it is not possible to say with certainty if the unflattering review in this instance was "true" or not... (I also can not share who PM-ed so please do not ask)

But as to whether legit reviews written by legit hobbyists are being pulled - is this happening? Hell yeah. Is this good for the community? Hell no.

Why does the Admin, who has NO IDEA what happened BCD any more than any of us, yank reviews written by the likes of Addict etc? Sure, some reviews probably deserve to be yanked, but you know what? Most hobbyists would be able to distinguish between a "real" review vs one that is not, by looking at reviewer history, quality of women he has seen, whitelists, tone/content of message, PMs etc.  You combine all of these data points, and you will get a very good idea of how trustworthy the hobbyist is.

At the very minimum, yanked reviews should be noted with ID of reviewer so that the community can PM the hobbyist and better inform themselves. I know I am belaboring the point, but really it is not that difficult for the community to distinguish between a hobbyist who is being fair/objective vs. one who is vengeful/lying/hating. Yanking reviews destroys the integrity of the board.

This whole disappearing act like it never happened = total BS. Period.



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