It wasn't my intent to smack. I just didn't understand what the big deal was. Internet provider marketing is a very tricky proposition. There is no formula, no cut and dried rules. The review game is exactly that, a game. Now you know.
If you need further explanation, we have mutual friends, feel free to use them as intermediaries.
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I posted a review of Jessica Riley in which I gave her a 10 ( one in a lifetime) for me she was .... however, she must not (or doesn't) fit the criteria set up by TER because they dropped her down to a 9 ... that's cool ... Well Jess in my eyes your still a 10.
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As self appointed head of the Jessica Fan club I agree with you Spinner. She is a 10 and then some!!
But the Review FAQ says this.
Again, please try to save the 8 and 9 ranks for situations where out of the ordinary services are provided (i.e. Blow Job - without condom, Kissing with tongue, Really Bi, More than one guy). Each of these, beyond-the-call-of-duty talents count for one hard earned point. Of course, the 10 rating should be reserved for an experience that is really worth a million!
Rating Service:
RATING
10 It was a one in a million.
9 I forgot it was a service.
8 She went the extra mile.
7 It was really hot
6 It was a nice time.
5 Average
4 She just laid there.
3 It was barely worth the effort.
2 I should have stayed home.
1 A total rip-off.
Ratings above 7 are reserved for providers who render services that are considered to be real perks (i.e. Anal, BBBJ, Kissing with Tongue).
I would love to see Jessica when I come down the end of the month 
TMT
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Spinner has boasted many times he never pays retail. While I don't have a problem with this per se, in my experience the negotiated discount is in exchange for a favourable review. This is clearly against TER policy.
While he's far from the only one who plays this game (there are a couple of guys who have convinced girls to give them freebies because of their Senior Hobbyist status on TER), in my mind, a credibility gap may exist.
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Since I don't know you nor have we ever met to my knowledge can you tell me when I told you this? ... In other words your going on the word of others or hear say... have an axe to grind?, don't care for my popularity?, have become imblanced and forgotten to take your meds.
Or are you saying that I'm incapable of finding some that is a One in a Lifetime.
I have always paid a womans asking rate and have never recieved a freebie or discount in exchange for a favorable review or post ... produce the girl(s)
I'm sure what your saying does go on, HOWEVER in my case ... I may not always be right, my views, MHO's may not always agree with everyone else but I have always been honest and held myself to the highest integerity on this board and others.
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Number 6 you’re right on! I have had a couple ladies tell me that Spinner has done exactly what you said but they don't want to complain because they are afraid of the wrath of some people in here! He also tells them that he will promote them on TER! And yes I’m using an alias for that same reason! So go ahead and send the wrath this way! Ladies don’t let this keep happening, let TER know about it!
It's an ugly part of TER. Guys using their status to get discounts, extra time or just not paying for the extra time. Remember the Lora Maze post? Ugly part I hate hearing about. Oh well, what can you do?
I never have complained about aliases before – but using them this time is way out of line. While I too have heard complaints of this type of activity (remember the guy from Way Up North) – I have never heard a verifiable complaint towards Mr. Spinner. Rumors don’t make it the truth. Making this kind of slander under the cowardly guise of an alias is lower than dickering for a discount in the first place.
Shame!
really something to see.
Sometimes, you just gotta say enough is enough. I don't know the man, really have nothing against him, but my take is (and it's hardly the minority one) that he gets a little too involved in the hobby. Not healthy, IMHO.
I have nothing against a client bargaining; frankly it should be done more often. I actually tend to negotiate in reverse. Just like Benny Binion's rule about your first bet being your table limit, if a certain provider wants to set a high bar, I'm going to hold her to it. I want to pay her what she thinks she's worth, and if she's out of my range, well that's life.
The problem I have is when a client pays $200 for a $400 date, writes a glowing review based upon the fact that she gave him a discount, then we have a problem. I've been hearing for years that Spinner has bragged he's never paid retail. It has come from a number of varied and different sources. More power to him, but let's disclose that on the reviews. He's hardly the only guy playing this game.
You have to understand something else. The more you know about this business, the less you want to, especially in Vegas (scroll below a bit). Many of the Vegas regulars have waaaayyy too much interest in the business of prostitution*. Consider the mass banning of a number of Vegas-based handles on the BC board a couple of weeks ago. There was some serious misbehavin' going on there. And yes, I am still burning from that Victoria May deal (but I'll get over it).
And yes, I have no idea who the aliases are. And also, don't get me wrong, my wand is no more magic, and perhaps even less so than most of the guys. A compliment to a provider on these boards should be freely given and not a contractual obligation.
*Now that it's summer, maybe I should do a no host bar thing at Skin or Whiskey Beach so you can check out all the professional girls hanging with their "husbands". Maybe you might see it my way after such an event.
If I had 343 reviews, what's the difference? The vast majority of my "relationships" last about 60 minutes, which works for me and certainly works for the lady. I do this because it's fun and really don't look for drama. It's hard to do this here. My hobbying is restricted to mostly SF, Canada and Florida these days. I have private outs in LA, and see virtually no one in Vegas. Moreover, you won't see me writing obits for providers because they went on vacation and forgot to tell me.
Sometimes you make friends, after all, the girls are people too. But it's not like I need to know every little thing about them or try to date them. It's really quite a simple proposition. I have a platonic relationship with a few providers, but that's just the way it went down. I don't talk about it here, and generally it's their call as to how the relationship is run (like it is with real life s.o.s). I did mention LJ because she actually lives close to me, but it's not like I bought a house there so I can stalk her. I'm not planning on seeing LJ, but if she insists on sending me nude pics of her, she's giving me a freebie!
As for the accusations, it's come from too many people who really don't know each other. But if he says it didn't happen, then I suppose we can give benefit of the doubt. I don't think it's not a fair question to ask, though.
All right as we all know I'm not one to keep my mouth shut. No offense bchilson, I have to admit that some of the ones who have stepped forward defending spinner in this post are guilty of what he is being accused of. And I know this personally because after my post caught in a catch 22 went up, several of the ones defending him currently contacted me privately w/o responding to my post publicly saying how they were 100% behind me, (if you really were then why didn't you respond on the board. hello, red flag number one which gave you away) attempting to "help me" by offering to fly up here and see me so they could write a review if i deducted their travel expenses from my rates. which is exactly the same thing as asking for a discount or haggling and abuse of your ter stature. and how ironic is it that i haven't heard from any of them since I received 2 reviews from gents who paid my full rates, did not get a discount, and wrote true accurate reviews about me?????
coincidence i think not.
BC- ty for the compliment. i appreciate it. and quite honestly don't enjoy outing or pointing the finger directly at anyone. although, 6 was getting berrated by several people who I do know are guilty of the behaviors he's accusing spinner of. Birds of a feather flock together. it wouldn't be a cliche if it weren't true.
When someone attemps to haggle or manipulate me into discounting them for any reason, i put them on my personal DNS list, and even if they offered me twice my rates I still would refuse to see them due to their blatent disrespect, and intent to manipulate and jeopardize the integrity of TER.
I will begin by saying that I have never met spinner or had any contact with spinner myself personally. And even though 6 smacked me a little bit on the boards for posting caught in a catch 22, I doubt he's lying or out of line for saying what most are afraid to say, the truth.
if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
Thank you 6. I may not have liked what you said to me before but I do respect you for what you're doing now.
It wasn't my intent to smack. I just didn't understand what the big deal was. Internet provider marketing is a very tricky proposition. There is no formula, no cut and dried rules. The review game is exactly that, a game. Now you know.
If you need further explanation, we have mutual friends, feel free to use them as intermediaries.
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sometimes especially when you're a newbie the only way to resolve a situation is to bring it public so your words cannot get used against you where everyone is a witness. hence the purpose for writing cach 22 to begin with. for the behavior to stop. not ruin anyone in the hobby or get anyone banned. I had no idea it would get recieve the amount of attention it did. I was sure I was ruined here after I posted that thread and it almost did ruin me. I did not have a date for 10 days after that post and had 3 dates already confirmed and schedule cancel one hour apart for the same reason the very next day which hurt the bank account a lot, due to retailiation efforts to save face from the person I wrote it about on the back channel boards.
so that post did not come w/o it's consequences as i'm sure these threads i have posted backing up 6 will have. C'est la vie. if it does it does, The problem is I have this belief in ethics and integrity. I know and understand how important reviews are, which it makes it even more critical that they be true. it's like writing a consumer report on a product. I would be pissed if nokia had reviews shilled convincing me to buy their product only to go out and purchase it to find out it was crap and couldn't get my money back. which is basically the same thing the ladies are doing by discounting these guys for a "good review". If a lady provides a good service the good reviews will come in time. There's no need to give in to these manipulation tactics if they did provide a good service.
So even though the guys are abusing their TER stature by using it to get discounted, ultimately it is the lady giving the discount for the review who is allowing the integrity of TER to be compromised.
I can understand a lady giving in if he's threatening to "ruin her" if she doesn't, in which case she should out him publicly. especially if he has made any attempts to trash her rep whether it be here or on the back channel. doesn't matter he should be outed. In that regard the rules just flew out the window.
... why anyone thinks their message board posts/review counts are particularly meaningful, outside of the information they provide the community. Or, to put it another way, your posts, reviews and 75 cents are good for coffee at the 7-11.
The fact is that cream rises to the top, in terms of ladies and milk, and I don't see why this trick would work as opposed to just intereacting with the community online or in person if you care to (some don't)...but hey, takes all kinds, I guess.
Note that this isn't an accusation of anyone in particular- I have no firsthand knowledge of anything of this sort, and I refuse to play "telephone" with second/thirdhand gossip. We'd all be better off with less of that sort of drama, and more of getting laid and paid, and having a good time of it.
...are exactly that--absurd. I've known the guy for a few years now, we have developed mutual friendships, and I've never heard any provider speak ill about him. He spreads his time around, he certainly spreads his dough around, and I really respect all of his reviews except one ( he liked a Phoenix lady who is a nut-case ). I've personally referred him to a couple of girls he'd never met, and they thanked ME for sending such a nice guy their way. That sure doesn't sound like he was a person who reviewed favorably for any preferred rates, does it?
I agree with the person who dislikes those who hide behind aliases, also. If you've got balls, speak up and say who you are when making stupid statements.
have balls any more.
he was nothing but a wonderful gentleman. Paid my advertised rate without a word about it and provided a wonderful atmosphere for our evening. How many of you give any thought to providing candles, music and refreshments for the ladies who come to see you? Not many by my count! If I didn't know better...I would have paid HIM for the lovely evening!
PS: And before you inquire as to where his review is of me......it will follow very shortly!
Sorry I did not have them before. But wait, it was your incall. lmao
Hurry home.
Jeffery you are the worst about doing shit like this so you word should be no good in this discussion.
when they were lowered down to 9s...(meaning in the past, guys sent me email claiming my review had been submitted, and that they gave me 10s, yet when their reviews were posted, scores were often knocked down to 9s by TER) the response TER pretty much consistently gave me was that doing Greek equals 10 and if wasn't done in that session well, it won't be a 10 on the review rictor scale. That's just what I learned about the process of receiving 10s.
Lee Chase
I had given her 10's, but when my review was posted, the performance rating was knocked down to a 9, presumably because we didn't go to Greece on that get-together. I thought that's what probably happened, but thanks, Lee, for pointing it out that it's not a unique situation.
It shouldn't matter if a special service such as Greek was performed on the visit being reviewed. If the service is normally offered, the girl is eligible for a higher rating number, and if the reviewer felt that the girl deserved a ten, even though some of her normal offerings were not partaken of, he should be allowed to give her a ten for performance.
For a while, a couole of months ago, my reviews aeemed to get docked a point for performance as a matter of course! For example, I entered a nine for Kristen Thomas, but it was posted as an eight. Then I entered a ten for Nikki Avalon and they reduced that to a nine! I let the reduction for Kristen go, because although we had a WONDERFUL time together, I figured her CBJ might be considered ny most people to be worth the reduction of one point. But when they reduced my ten for Nikki, I got upset, so I wrote to TER four times, pleading with them to allow my ten for her to stand. They finally changed my performance rating of her back to a ten, which everyone who has ever been with her knows she deserves, lol!
Soon after that, I reviewed Gina! I meant to give her a nine for performance, but I assumed they would deduct a point again, so I submitted it as a ten. Gina is a once in a lifetime experience, all right, IMO, but Greek and CIM are not on her menu, so I felt a nine was the best number she would be allowed. But lo and behold, TER did NOT deduct a point for performance that time, so my ten for her still stands! So I figured that TER stopped deducting points as a matter of course, and my latest reviews of Jennifer Lee and Exclusive Lee Chase were posted as I submitted them, so maybe I was right, lol.
T.L.
You mentioned in the review that it was a "10" experience. Despite TER altering your score, anyone who bothers to read your review knows how YOU rated the experience, not how someone who wasn't there rated it.
While I agree with TER standards to some extent, I'm sure we all have criteria for rating these experiences that don't jibe with theirs. I base my decisions on who to see on details, not numeric scores. I'd rather know that the woman left you thinking about her for days afterward than whether you fucked her in the ass.
Spinner was a total gent when we met in LA. As a matter of fact, he gave me double my rate.
Thank you for being so sweet AND generous Spinner. I'm sorry anyone would make such claims.