I had set up a date with her weeks ago in anticipation of my just-concluded trip to Vegas.  My last email with her was on the 9th of July where she confirmed that we were on for the 17th.  

She did say that she was going to be out of town until the 16th, but numerous calls and a follow up email have gone unanswered.  I hope she's okay.  I'm bummed we didn't get to hook up, but I'm more concerned that she is fine considering recent events.

BKMan

Hope she is ok as well.  I exchanged an e-mail with her a bit ago and then have not heard back.  Her being out of town would explain that.  Hope she surfaces soon and that all is well for her.

She was very late in returning from out of town and had a family emergency to attend to, so it sounds like she's okay.  Good to hear that.

BKMan

I had a date with her a while back.  We confirmed twice by e-mail, and twice by phone.  The last conversation was 1 hour prior to our date time.  "I'll see you in an hour" was the last word I ever heard from her.  She flat out didn't show.  No call, no explanation, no e-mail from her when I returned home.  Nothing.  

Might explain your situation.  I, too, hope that's all it is this time....another bought of flakeitis!!

Jacksonlips

I appreciate your concern for her safety, but, now that you know she's fine, she left you hangin' my good brother.  In all that span of time, she couldn't find 10 seconds to call or e-mail you to let you know what was up?!!

Have you ever noticed how many family emergency's you hear about in this hobby?  It's a bit out of whack with the rest of the world.  Now, maybe she REALLY did have one, and maybe it was very terrible, but it's time to call a spade a spade.  She flaked on you, and that behavior shouldn't be rewarded.  Arianna flaked on me once too.  "I'll see you in an hour" ended up being a flat-out no-show.  There's a pattern here.

See Jenni instead.  You'll thank me.

Jacksonlips

Wow, Ok.  First, i'm going to try and not say too much here (i'm bad about that sometimes)

Most of you don't know me very well, as I'm usually a "lurker" on the boards.
It saddens me that I should feel compelled to post about my personal life because of one bad post...but this, unfortunately has struck a cord.  
I'm a single mother of two toddlers. It's the most important job I've ever had(and my number ONE priority, as it should be)! I have a little girl (3) that has severe asthma and unfortunately I can't control when she has problems or gets sick. Most of the time it's late at night or in the middle of the night and more times than I can count it has landed us in the hospital for a day or more.
While I understand the importance of being professional and this being a business....I'm doing the best I can. It's difficult to remember to grab my appt book while running out the door to the ER. Ya know??

I sincerely apologize for pissing a few people off along the way (it was NEVER my intention to step on toes). I've done my best after screwing up an appt or a situation to explain my side and apologize. While it hasn't happened often, I will admit it has happened.  I'm sure i'm not the only one...but my name sure does seem to come up often...with some guys writing about their bad experience each and every time it does.  

At any rate...i've written to BKMAN...explained that when I went to Chicago to get my babies from their grandparents my daughter was very sick and that kept me from coming home when planned.  Some of you may think it's unprofessional, but when I travel to visit family, my appt book, email and cell phone get left here in Vegas.  It is usually a vacation afterall.  I won't make that mistake again, I've learned my lesson this time...Things happen, even while on vacation!!

Jacksonlips...i'm not sure what happened in our particular situation (and i'm sorry) but i've seen you post about me a few times.  Wasn't one post enough?  I'm not sure why you felt you needed to leave a second post to rub my name into the ground a little more!!!??

To the guys in the hobby...please remember that we too are wives, mothers, sisters, daughters, etc.  and things do happen. If I posted every single time a person no-showed me...I'd post several times a week.  Don't get me wrong either, i'm not making excuses for leaving a couple of people hanging (it was unprofessional and wrong)...but we as providers understand that things also happen with you guys even tho last minute cancellations or no-shows ruin our day as well.  Most of us LOVE what we do...and look forward to meeting new people and experiencing new things.

Wow, whoops. Said too much as usual! ~  Again, i'm sorry BKMAN, jacksonlips...  
Have a great night everybody!!

Luv, Arianna

she was very prompt with e-mails, returning calls and right on time for our meeting.  Can't wait to visit again...

WOW,  I have to say I'm highly impressed with your response to this Arianna.  You show a lot of class in dealing with this and my opinion of you continues to go up!!!  I've seen other times when ladies have dealt with problems such as this and I can only think of one other who dealt with it as well as you, most did it far worse.  I look forward to meeting you this December!!

Hi Arianna,

That WAS a very well thought out and sweet reply.  I accept your sincere apology and wish you well.  I make no apology, however, for accurately relating to the guys on this board what DID happen to me.  You did stand me up, waste my time, and never apologize or contact me, until today.

To the guys leaping to your defense, I don't blame them.  Had you shown up that day, I'd probably be your biggest fan too.  I'm sure you and them had a great time.  You seem like a sweetie, and your reviews sizzle.

I truly wish you well,

Jacksonlips

I agree with BigPoppa... a well balanced calm response when under fire is truly impressive. I have wanted to see Arianna for the longest but rarely get to LV these days. Maybe a special trip is in order.

since it's not worth 2 cents...

First, Arianna, way too much personal information for us.  I hope you edit it and leave it on a less personal note (or have a mod cut it down).

Second, while you might have your priorities straight, you might consider a different line of work that isn't as tough when it comes to customer service.  There are other providers out there that don't have problems with keeping appointments when they schedule them, and they have their priorities too (whether it's kids or whatever).  While your clients might flake out more than any of us would like (whether they passed out, spent all the money at the tables or whereever, got caught in a meeting or late dinner, etc), it's a part of the business here in Vegas.  While there are some good clients out there (I'd like to think of myself as one of them), some clients will just screw up and waste your time.  The sad fact is that you have to maintain an extremely high level of customer service even if the clients are complete jerks.  If your priorities aren't on work, then at least do your clients a favor and contact them (phone, email) ahead of time and if possible, suggest someone you trust to take your place.  We all have priorites in life and we have bad days.  The good providers are able to shield that from the clients and make them feel like a king.

Bob

Some of the highest ranked providers in Vegasd Flake on their clients all the time and some don't even have a good excuse. But alot of guys won't bother to come forward and have their say cause 9 times out of 10 the White Knights will be all over their asses. But you know what, I don't care what line of work you are in,. some days you just feel as though not going to work is the best thing for your sanity. Most people just call in sick......


Its not fair to suggest she find another line of work. She is good at what she does, she is having a somewhat strenuous time right now, but up to this point we havent heard a whole lot of complaining about her. Give the girl a break and Quiz you know I luv ya...but until you are the one on this side of the coin, don't presume that you know about the customer service side of this industry. You see if as a client, and the scenery takes on a whole different light at this angle. I know alot of lovely ladies who adore you and that you are close to and that you watch work (figuratively speaking). But watching and actually being in the thick of it are two different things.

Cut the girl a bit of slack and let her make it up to these gents the best way she sees fit.

xoxo
Lass



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You said:

"To the guys in the hobby...please remember that we too are wives, mothers, sisters, daughters, etc.  and things do happen."...

Don't forget close friends.

Communication is VERY important. When I read the original thread, I thought the worst has happen (again). And yes things DO happen. Sorry if I sound extreme, but I never thought someone would have murdered Alexis (Cindy).

Nevertheless, providers and clients (especially providers) should always communicate with someone - especially if they can't make it. This is a very dangerous profession. Besides, if you had taken the time and contacted that guy, this thread would have been avoided.

You got one thing right, people do call in sick, otherwise, they get fired.

I have no idea about this "...until you are the one on this side of the coin, don't presume that you know about the customer service side of this industry..."  

So it means Quzi should not have an opinion because he is not a provider? Have you ever paid a guy to be an your escort? Otherwise, you shouldn't be able to judge his opinion without being on our side...


As I have said to you personally, things in this profession are never what they appear to be. You are accusing Quzi of not knowing both sides of the story before making judgment - you are doing the same... Never assume... and I love you too.

Touche Cheese....I totally understand what you are saying. I wasn't accusing Quiz of not knowing both sides of this story, just that there is so much to the customer service side of this particular business, that it's not fair to judge unless you have actually done it. I would never presume to know what it takes to do what you do for a living or Quzi for that matter.

I just thought his comment that she should find other work was a bit harsh. Im sorry if my post came off with an edge....

oh and btw also....I love you too

(edited again cause my spelling really sucks)

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Thanks, Ari, for the reply here and the emails.  I appreciate it and I was sincere when I said I'd still like to see you the next time I'm in town.

Cheers!
BKMan

"Some of the highest ranked providers in Vegas flake on their clients all the time and some don't even have a good excuse. But a lot of guys won't bother to come forward and have their say cause 9 times out of 10 the White Knights will be all over their asses."

Celticlass, you are a goddess.  This has always been my opinion, as I have experienced it more than once.  Unfortunately I am amongst those who won't post problems for that exact reason.  I've even discouraged other board members from coming forward with complaints, knowing they will be flamed into oblivion and possibly blacklisted.  Not worth it.  The higher ranked they are, the more White Knights they have, so the more power they have to get away with it.  I've had a couple problems with "A-List" providers, including a no show after sending a large deposit and a "tough sh*t" response when I asked for it's return.  Never had a problem with 'B-List' or 'C-List' girls, or even porn stars; (and granted, 'A-List' girl problems are not common.)  By the way, I'm not judging the girls' quality with letters, but rather classifying their popularity.

I thought you retired?  
You can take the girl out of the...

Actually, i think it's a safe bet that she feels it was way to much personal information also. But if left out, then it's merely referred to as a "family emergency" and gets blown off as just another excuse with no reason(ohhhh, family emergeny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever you say honey). I guess at certain times we are all forced to divulge more about us then we like.

  At least, in light of recent events, it's nice to know everyone is here and still in one piece.

Lass, it's nice to see your still amoung us, so to speak. Hope all is well and your doing great


Sb aka/MichaelA_9

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but I have a hard time shutting out the business that yielded so many wonderful friends and experiences.

I have recieved a few e-mails from people asking me why I am boring the masses with my .02 since it is no longer warrented. Well my public as well as private responce is....cause I damn well feel like it *wink*

I observed much in 3 years. I learned a great many things and also made alot of mistakes. But I continue to learn and still get taken down a notch or two by those who feel I have stepped out of line and I can live with that. What I do have a hard time with is when girls do not get the same treatment on the boards no matter where they rank in the great scheme of things. Fair is fair and I think if you screw up be prepared to face the music but lets not go overboard. I had my fair share of ass beatings on these boards and it sucks.

Lets not forget these wopmen are human beings, they make mistakes and sometimes f*ck up in a big way. It hard to comapre the industry to any other business because of the intimacy and privacy involved. There are girls who are ROBs and those who just have a bad day. I guess the hard part is figuring out who is who......


Hey RR and everyone else...my membership lapsed so please dont send me anymore priovate mails..I can't read them. You can contact me at [email protected]


Take care

xoxox
Lass

Hey Lass,

As always I sit up here and I'm just blown away by you.  Your insight and thougths on the hobby are always needed and you do it with such style and class.  Even though we neve meet in real life I'm so glad that we got to meet on line and develope a friendship.  As always keep on the boards and keep us in line!!!

That is real scary about the large deposit and no refund.  I've been real blessed that I've never had anything like that happen to me.  The worse ever was Jade not being able to make a date one night, but she made it up with an overnighter.

Arianna makes a great point, that the ladies are wives, girlfriends, mothers, daughters, etc. That's never put into the equation. I just look at them as people and not objects, and things usually work out ok from there.

The problem I have is that I usually get to meet them as someone's wife or g/f and that sort of ends any chance of doing business. Colour me old fashioned (or a bad Larry King impersonator) but I just won't knowingly fuck another man's wife ever.

On the last trip to the salon, my stylist (who does a very large number of professional girls of all sorts) personally introduced me to one of the better known and higher end ladies here. I mean, what was I supposed to say, "nice to meet you, I really enjoy your work"?

Arianna, you are not the only one in this situation, and you are quite brave to be so open about your private life like this.  I was just in Vegas and had a similar situation happen with me and another lady.  We had scheduled a three day appointment and on the second day her little one ended up in the emergency room.  I've only gotten sporatic calls from her since she had to leave me and bolt to the hospital, but luckily the hospital intends to release her baby tomorrow.  It's tough to keep in touch with folks when you can't turn your cell on in the hospital and when you are up all night in the room with your kid and trying to get some sleep during the day when (and if) somebody else (if you are lucky) can spot you on your watch.

Lass, just this weekend this happened to me.  In front of my eyes it happened, so it wasn't like I didn't believe the girl or didn't know where she had to go or what she was doing.

If you asked her, I'm sure she would say I was the consummate gentleman, totally understanding about her need to cancel, etc, etc.  And that was my face to her.  But in truth, I still felt a little tinge of being neglected, even if just because the phone calls back to me were infrequent.  As the weekend wore on and I realized that she wasn't just going to be able to get back into party mode, I came to a better realization of my role as a supportive friend vs a disappointed client.

We guys have a tendency to be incredibly selfish about this whole business.  Maybe it's because we are paying good money from hard fought gains.  Maybe because we have set aside the time and are all keyed up about getting this attention.  But the reality is that when there is trouble in the family we need to get out of the way - to step back and take a distant back seat.  And realise that for girls with little ones this business isn't necessarily about us - it's about taking care of the little ones.

I don't see any need for you to apologize about reporting on a no show.  Reporting no shows helps keep the girls straight with the crowd, it seems to me.  But while we need no such apologies, we don't need "harping" on past situations either.

I wouldn't consider a girl a flake just because she no-showed on you.  It would take many more reports than just one from you.  And I don't mean you reporting the same instance over and over.

So I say state your case fairly, sure, and let it stand.  But repeating it over and over doesn't give it added weight to me.

You're right, she should have given you notice.  If she was thinking clearly and placing you as her priority maybe she would have done that.

But people with families don't always think that way, with that sense of priority.  Sometimes they just get caught up and dragged along in a course of events and try to catch up with the world later.  Sometimes they think they will call in and catch up with the world "any minute now", but just can't seem to break from the moment to do it.  And hours or days later realize they should have stopped to do just that.

It's true that real employees are better at calling in or requesting time off in advance.  But that's hard for them to avoid, given that the workplace has a static telephone number with a switchboard, etc and that they lose their jobs if they don't report whereabouts.  But even with those restrictions, that doesn't seem to hold down the family emergencies.  Employees with kids, especially single parents (and ESPECIALLY single mothers) are off the job a WHOLE lot.  And usually, it seems, just when you really need them, lol!!

I'm not arguing with you about the need for people to be responsible.  Just with your idea that the family emergency thing here is a bit out of whack with the rest of the world.

Every single independent provider out there is basically a small business person in my eyes.  If you want a successful business, you gotta do things right.  If other priorites are going to get in the way, eventually, people will hear about it and you won't get as much business as you would if you had a stellar reputation.

Let's take the straight example that might be a close analogy to this.  We have a kick ass auto mechanic.  Fixes cars like no one else.  The only problem is that he shows up late or doesn't bother to call in sick.  Meanwhile, all these cars are stacking up and the customers are wondering if they should take their car elsewhere or wait to get it fixed or just forget about it.  Now if that mechanic took the time to let the shop know what was going on, maybe they could make other arrangements and still hold on to customers for future service.  But if the mechanic never bothers, who wants to leave their car with them if it's never going to get serviced and they need their car sooner rather than later?

Basically, if you want to have good word of mouth and a good rep, you gotta take care of the priorities.  And part of being a good provider is leaving the problems at home and giving the fantasy that the clients are looking for.  That's why the clients are paying the going rate.

To speak to the Vegas market in particular, there are more clients from out of town than ones that call Vegas home which means reliability is a fairly important trait in a provider when you don't have a lot of free time to allocate to an appointment.  A missed appointment could be the different between having a good time and not having any good times.  And when the good independent providers require advanced notice (at least a day in advance), verification, and/or references, it's not like a last minute cancellation or a no show can be made up for someone that's just visiting for a few days.

Of course, it's no excuse for the many cancellations due to the client blowing it all at the slots or tables, yadda yadda yadda.  But if you want to run things as a business and do it right, you just got to deal with it and make sure you're not the problem.  There are enough independents in this town that do it right.  Even on a bad day, they manage to shield it from their clients or refer them to someone who can take over.  It just makes good business sense, doesn't it?

Bob

I agree about the apology not being neccesary, but as far as repeating the no show/flake, IMO, when someone asks, it should be repeated.

To Arianna, great reply, if you had done so earlier it probably would have put the flake posts to an end a lot sooner.