It really is a shame that guys will tell me in private about a bad experience or how they got ripped off .......but when I suggest to them they write a review about it or go on the boards , they don't want to be the "bad guy "


Well if you don't share your story how will others ever know ???

So to the guy who paid for the overnighter  and didn't get it , if you are reading this post now , come on tell your story ...... the public has a right to know .
If you keep the secret what happen to you , will happen to others .

You know who you are . You saw JackieJewel and had the time of your life with her . You enjoyed your time so much with Jackie you had her come back later for an evening out .
You told Jackie the story , and she told you she was going to share this unfortunate incident  with me ........ but we are very professional and discreet and will not name names ........ this is your place to do so .  


Guys don't be afraid to tell your stories ......but they better be true !
xoxo CindySpice

-- Modified on 11/16/2003 3:36:55 PM

I wanted to comment on this post..I also hear horror stories..but..I get a little nervous when I hear they wont speak publicly about it..it makes me wonder if they may embelish the stories.I do my very best to treat everyone  well..but..sometimes I refrain from accepting apts that seem weird..and I wonder if these clients will then make a false review..there really is no recourse if they do..mabye I worry to much about this..but .I feel what ever job you do..you do to your best ability..I feel reviews are so important for the client..to be able to know they are choosing quality people I have never asked for a review ..I just dont understand when a client chooses a girl without them..or only a few questionable one's..why? I also would like clients to speak up when they have been wronged..but..to be honest about it..I have never "luckily" had abad expierence..or a client that felt he did with me...I may be getting off the point here..but I agree with Cindy I am always amazed that she articultes my feelings within her posts..

"I am always amazed that she articulates my feelings within her posts.. "


That is because I think all real true independents think the same way ..... I just take the time to post my thoughts


I also don't get why a guy would chose a lady who already has quite a few bad reviews . or none at all .......
Ok they want to take one for the team

But the problem I am talking about is about a lady who has pretty good reviews , but when bad things happen it doesn't get posted .

Now I am not talking about when maybe someone didn't actually click . I am not talking about when someone feels , I expected so much more based on reviews and didn't feel it .
YMMV even with the best of providers . A top provider tries her best to please her clients .......but you can't always please everyone no matter how hard you try .

I was reading a post about a guy who wanted to write a bad review about a provider because she didn't give him a BBBJ as her reviews indicate she does . Well maybe she had a good reason at that moment not to give a BBBJ .....doesn't mean she deserves a bad review .
I personally don't offer a BBBJ . But if I did , I would be sure to make it clear to the client that just because I do it , it doesn't mean it is promised . There are factors involved for that choice .So maybe it was that providers mistake for not making things clear before the appointment .... but that doesn't make her a bad provider . She stayed her time , she gave her service . She did her best .

I am talking about flat out ripping a guy off . taking his money and not keeping your agreement . That is when a client should speak out !

bThis topic is interesting because I think it defines how providers and clients interpret and differ in their perception on what denotes a "good" session. Obviously this is my 2 cents and I'm sure that not every guy agrees with me , but I'll bet a lot do. Obviously, I agree with Cindy and Megan that a client should not write a bad review just because a provider will not provide a specific service at the time for whatever reason. Cindy, you use the example of providing a BBBJ. Now, dont get upset but I'll bet that when most guys on this board check  out a provider's profile for the first time, the first section they check is the services provided. Does she do BBBJ? BBBJTC? What about greek? Multiple pops?? Now dont get me wrong. Age , looks, etc. all play into it, but most guys are "service" oriented and will "go" with a provider because of specific services provided. And there's nothing wrong with that. Guys are guys. I myself love a BBBJ. In fact I prefer a BBBJ to covered sex any day of the week (obviously intercourse should ALWAYS be covered); I'm not implying it shouldn't be. So getting back to your example, if a provider has BBBJ in her profile but does not offer me this option, would I write a bad review? No I wouldn't; but I would write a review stating that I was disappointed that this particular service was not offerred. I wouldn't consider this a "bad" review just an honest one. This assumes of course that I , the client, was courteous, freshly showered, etc when the escort arrived. If she wouldn't perform a BBBJ because I had BO or was rude,etc. obviously she has a right to leave immediately, but if she "just doesn't feel like it" at the time.... to me that is a problem because like I said most guys are paying for a service and not the total package. I know that sounds very clinical, cold, whatever but I think it is the truth. I would probably go with a provider who routinely offerred the "service" I was looking for and was perhaps less attractive, older, etc. than one who was a 9 or 10 but did not offer the service I was looking for. Most providers probably dont see this as a big deal but I think most guys would and again it's just that guys and girls see it differently.

I agree 100% with all most everything you said.

I prefer a BBBJ to full service any day of the week. I would never give a woman a bad review because she didn't offer it, but I would not give a ten in service without a BBBJ, may drop from a ten to a seven because of that.

I met a provider in DC named Claire (she travels to Vegas sometimes), she was awesome, spent hours with her, but when the session started she did a CBJ, She said she was only doing that for awhile now and this after I read in allmost every review she did BBBJ, yes a few siad CBJ, but that was only one out of every 3 or 4 reviews so i should have guessed that there may be 25% or higher chance she would do one with me, but by the end of our session she was doing BBBJTC, Her rating jumped from a 7 or 8 to huge 10 when she did that.

I have wrote a couple reviews about providers that did CBJ's and they got a 5 and 6 in performance and the biggest reason was the CBJ (one did everything covered, wouldn't even touch it without a cover? later found out she pretty much did that with everyone), but with a BBBJ, the rarings may have jumped to 7,8 maybe even 9.

I would never drop her rating for looks because of a service that didn't offer, just read my review of porn star Lovette, She look incredible, one of the most stunning women I have ever seen, so I gave her a ten in looks, but her performance, I gave her a 5, beacuse of the CBJ, no DFKing, hell no light kissing, she was pretty much a tease, did nothing wothout a cover, wouldn't even touch it without one, I think I was very nice to give her 5, I could have given her a 3 or 4 for what she provided.

One of the problems I have ran across while searching for a few providers in Vegas for my next trip is finding a provider that fits my tastes that provides the services I enjoy, but I'm still on the hunt.

I wanted to say something after reading your post..I offer alot of things within  my session..alot..but I wait for a client to tell me they want that...I am not talking about BBBJ..that is a given.but I wont just hop on a clients face( sorry to be crude) unless he indicates he wants me to..as I would not just do greek on my own..some people think its gross..really they have told me it totally turns them off..I could use the analagy that its like a good restaraunt..there are many choices on the menu but your server is not going to automatically place them all in front of you unless you indicate that you want that..preferably when I am there ..not on the phone or via email..sometimes I actually wonder.".did I do enough"? ' after a session because maybe we only had one release or maybe he just wanted to talk..I try and read what a client wants..but sometimes it can be hard..especially if they are from another country and there is a language barrier..maybe they think they should not ask for this or that..so clients need to speak up..if they want something..I dont think it would be fair to write a negative review if you did not recieve a certain thing..if you did not ask for it....

Cindy -
Since we have talked about this before on the phone and email I'm sure you'll remember my earlier reticence to write a negative review about someone who is well known. [For clarification guys I'm not the person she directly referred to above - just another traveller].
Anyway, we talked before about whether or not the backlash from a review is worth the effort. I thought it would not be because I have seen on this board and others how quickly friends of providers (who clearly weren't in the rooms at the times in question) feel compelled to jump into a fray that they were not invited to.  Thank God I had some sort of brain back then because now my experiences have completely reinforced that belief.  My rookie season as a hobbyist is almost over and it has been a learning season that's for sure. In fact I haven't written ANY reviews in quite awhile because I often wonder if it's worth it.
Anyway back to our point.  In March I saw an EXTREMELY well reviewed Western US provider. She is PSE all the way without actually being a porn star. However on our night she was shit faced, abusive, racist and downright trailer trash. I definitely didn't get the service promised but I sure as hell paid my $1500 and was glad when she left the room. She was loud enough to nearly get me kicked out of the hotel so the last thing I was gonna do is ask for any refund.  On that same trip I saw a girl name Angella. From all the reviews I thought she would be the absolute best head in the West. She wasn't, I said as much, and immediately had emails in my in-box from other guys.  Later on I saw someone named Kelle when I was back east and I was shall we say EXTREMELY generous in my presentation of the events. It was a horrible night but I tried to relay that she is a nice person. She got so pissed she couldn't shut up about me to anyone who would listen - no matter where she went. She of course got her reviews pulled immediately too.  Then in August I see another top girl named Julianna from San Francisco. She has since had her reviews pulled. I think some guys gave her lower marks because she can be a bit of a princess. I didn't mind that though and I gave her very high marks. But not 10s(9 for appearance). I've never met a ten - maybe Sophia Milos,  Penelope Cruz, or Allison Eastwood but I doubt any provider should get a ten in appearance. She also got an 8 in performance. No greek and only 2 pops for an overnight and she wasn't exactly warm when we went out on the town. Pleasant maybe but not GFE. She actually called me because she thought she figured out which review was mine. I didn't respond, I thought that a 9 for appearance was great - the best I could imagine - I mean if she was model material she would be a model right? And the 8 was the best I could give for that performance.

So I'm getting all this grief for being honest yet very nice about my sessions.  So why in the world would I or any other poor slob dangle in the wind if the girl we would like to tell the truth about has all 10s? NO ONE WILL BELIEVE IT. Worse yet we'll open ourselves up for a shit storm that's just not worth the effort.
Perhaps my one bad night or the gentleman's night you talked about above are JUST ONE OCCURRENCE.
What if you and I get together and the session was just horrible? What if  for some reason it was your worst night ever? I might want to give you a 4 (about the basic value for showing up).  I'd never do it. I see that you have tons of great scores and I know there's legions of Spice fans. I wouldn't want the war.

Oh, BTW, next time I'm in town I'll see Angella - the 6 for not being the best head in town might have been harsh - it could have been a bad day. And I now realize one hour sessions are lame.

Scampr,  there is in my view nothing to flame you over and lots to learn from.  Thanks for sharing all of you experinces, with us.  I'm sorry that you have  had that many bad experinces.  

I feel so very fortunate that I have had great times with all the ladies I've seen and have felt enriched from knowing these ladies.  

I will support you in you assesment of the one lady you saw in March.  I will attest that the one and only time I talked to her I was so turned off by her and her poor attitude that I knew I could never see her.  

Your are right if you post info on the board people will get after you and I've seen on this site reviews that were less then steallar get pulled down in a heartbeat.  Sad thing is with that it's the old he said, she said game and the truth will never be know.  

I think the main message we need to look at is not to attack those who post negative thing about the ladies we like.  If they honestly had a bad time they should be able to post it with out beeing attacked.  If they are making up lies then it's on them. I've also heard tales of ladies who will get guys to slam other ladies on the board.  This kind on BS needs to stop.  Just deal with the truth of the experince and don't try to build yourself up at the expense of others.

Those of you who are familiar with my posted reviews will know that there are very few bad ones in the 79 that are on TER.  I like to say that the reason for this is that I am careful to chose ladies who have demonstrated for other guys their ability to please their man, and provide those services I deem important to me.  I carefully read what other guys say, and I even look at all reviews by that guy, looking for consistencies, and what they may have said about other providers I have been with to validate their veracity as a reviewer.  And, I'm sure I have been very lucky as well.  That is, up until this week-end.  And now for the first time I'm not sure how to write a review, or at the very least, how to grade a provider.  Here's what transpired:

I was referred to a young lady (23 years old) by another provider who is an ATF of my best friend in this hobby.  She worked for an agency in Florida for a short period of time, and had 4 reviews posted in her name there (3 so-so and one bad one)  Her reported skills indicated she did BBBJ, DATY, but no kissing at all.  She had since moved on, and went on tour in NY, where she received excellent reviews from 2 of the guys that saw her, including the above skills, and DFK.  Both guys were happy with what they got and indicated they would see her again. My friend's ATF (this gal it turns out is her room mate) indicated that she in fact was now providing GFE services.

When we met the other day, everything started out just fine, and she even went so far as to tell me that she'd be OK with anything like GFE services I needed.  We started to LFK, then DFK while on the sofa in my hotel room, but when we proceeded to the bedroom, she suddenly had a change of mind:  no kissing of any kind, and no DATY.  I was stunned. Did someone say YMMV? My first instinct was to ask her to leave then and there, but I was horny, had already taken a Viagra (only 1 per 24 hours, my doctor admonished me!), and in fact she was extraordinarily beautiful (there goes little head again!), so I allowed her to stay.  To her credit, she did provide BBBJ (not TC) and her skills there were very good.

Here's the dilemma:  How do I grade her?  A 5 (average) doesn't seem to apply here because she just was not average by my standards, but below that.  She didn't just lay there, and wasn't barely worth the effort because what she did do wasn't bad, she just didn't do enough and not what was expected. "I should have stayed home" (a 2) is applicable here because given the choice, I would have, but the skills she did provide were better than a grade of 2/10.

But the kicker here was her attitude swing.  That she changed direction mid-stream as it were and that IMHO was wrong, and just really got to me.  BTW, for those interested, I was so freshly showered that when she arrived (15 minutes early) I was still towelling myself off, so much for my freshness, which I take pride in.

So, how do you people think I should grade this experience.  I'm particularly interested in the ladies' opionions on this.

Sorry this was so long, but every so often I need to vent.  Thanks to you all who have stuck with it.

F.

-- Modified on 11/17/2003 9:21:17 PM

Maybe this isn't true for everyone but I put quite a bit of stock in the story as well as the scores. When I read your reviews I can almost imagine the date. So I say, grade the actual activities. But the section about delivered as promised select no. Then in the body of the text tell the story. In the section where it asks if you would reccommend say no.  You're right a 2 wouldn't be fair. You said she was decent at what she did.  I think I want to read your review of Jenni about 12 more times LOL.

No Flames Here

Scampr ,

Yes I remember our phone conversation and no this post wasn't about you and what you were telling me . Your story was long long ago .


I don't understand why guys would fear to tell their story .......because "friends" of the provider emailed you pissed off you didn't give her 10's ...... so what,  let them email you till tomorrow who cares ...........there is a button,  it is called DELETE ! *wink wink*


Who cares about numbers given . First off I am against the number system .....because what can be a 10 for one person is maybe a 6 for another ................beauty is in the eye of the beholder .


I really pay no attention to numbers .  I agree no one even myself is a 9 or 10 if we were,  we would be modeling ...... but that isn't the point here . It isn't about how pretty you think a lady is or isn't .  It is about does she look  like her photos ??  . Is she 40 pounds heavier then her photos ? Are the photos 10 years old ??


That is stuff guys need to know . There is a difference between stating a fact of what happened and just saying your opinion .


Like , If someone didn't give the greatest BJ  in the world as you thought it would be ......well so what !!  that is YOUR opinion.... doesn't mean she isn't a good provider . It is just how YOU felt about her BJ ...maybe for someone else the BJ was the best ever .


But if you saw a provider who has all great reviews but for a FACT  got drunk and acted all trailer trash and left with your money and no service ... that isn't your opinion that is what happened .... do you see the difference ??


If a lady got all 10's for appearance , and you saw her pictures and thought she looked good enough ......but yet in person you thought she was just a 6 .........well why is that ? This means she doesn't look like her photos . well then state why . What did you see different in person VS the photo .


So again I come back to why NUMBERS are not a good way to express things . Your words are so much more .

BTW you said the reviews were pulled ..... ??? I see they are still up . what are you referring too ??

BTW I don't think Penelope Cruz is a 10 or even a 9 .........see we all have different tastes

Someone getting an 8 in performance ......WHO CARES ,  it isn't about that . It should be about  ..... did she promise Greek but didn't deliver ... ok why not ? Did she promise DATY , but then didn't allow it ........ ok why not ?? Just because or maybe you had a sore on your mouth .


One guy once complained about me that I didn't give him a BBBJ ........well I NEVER  promised it so he has NO right to complain . He hired me knowing I do not offer it , so he can't expect it .

Another guy complained I didn't snuggle and cuddle with him .......... no I didn't  !!! he also forgot to mention he was sweaty and stinky with very bad BO.


Point is if you are complaining about something not offered you better be sure you have a good reason to complain ..... then you will not get slammed .


What I talked about wasn't just ONE bad accurance . You don't take a guys money , promise to come back and then don't ...... that wasn't a "bad day" that is just plain scam .

You don't get drunk and shitfaced by mistake ....... it shouldn't  happen at all if you are a top provider !!


My opinion is if a provider looks like her pictures . She provides what she promises and stays her full time and she is sober and acts like a lady  .......there is no way a session can be horrible ......... if the client thinks it is ......then maybe there is something wrong with the client .

Guys should stop paying attention to the scores .............pay attention to the facts of the reviews.

But remember there is a difference between a FACT and how YOU FELT .......... and you guys need to read between the lines of that and figure out who you want to see .

Is my point understood here ??

Good luck ,

xoxo CindySpice

These posts are great for input, but they don't seem to bring a final answer to light. Cindy has always contended ratings should be eliminated. Maybe this is the real answer. Let the reviews be posted and only be highlited with a postive, negative or neutral stance.

I indulge in the hobby only occasionally but have made it a habit of not posting reviews expecially bad ones.  To see a provider, we usually have to give personal information about ourselves and again usually during this exchange of information provide our alias or handle.  I am from a remote area and in the southwest and our selection of providers is extremly limited.

One time I replied to a post by a provider clarifying that this was an agency and that the girl claiming to be 24, hot looking, and independent was actually an older lady that had several girls working with her.  I had actually used this service several times and was for the most part satisfied with the quality of the providers.  Well she figured out who I was based on my alias and after several weeks called me on my cell phone and asked if I was Holedriller.  Not thinking, I said yes.  She then proceeded to cuss me out and threatened me if I did not remove my post.  I ignored her, but received many e-mails from her threatening by exposing me to others that could very well hurt my reputation.

Since this happened I have made it a policy to not post any reviews, even positive, in case the lady might take something the wrong way.  Maybe we should have totally anonomous aliases for just posting reviews.

Not true ....... if most guys were only looking for BBBJ or BBBJTC or Greek ect ect ........ I would be long ago out of business .


Fact is I stay plenty busy and safe . So just because you look for that stuff doesn't mean MOST  do . Some do , some don't .
there are ladies for those who do , and there are ladies for those who don't .


Although I do suggest some people go back and research how STD's are transmitted .
why is it  obvious that intercourse is covered ......but everything else is not .
Why is greek ok ........ yes it is covered but you also have higher risk condom can break ....and then what ??


CBJ doesn't feel as good as BBBJ . Of course  it doesn't .......so also CFS doesn't feel as good as BBFS does this mean you are now willing to take that risk ??


I agree with you if a provider says she offers a certain service but later doesn't because she "doesn't feel like it"  ..then you have a right to write about it . But if there is a good reason she can't deliver as promised that doesn't make her a bad provider.


Maybe for some a session is all about the BJ and how great it was or wasn't . Did she take it all in her mouth or didn't she .
Personally my sessions are not about that stuff .
I show my clients there is more to sex then sucki , fucki .


SO each to his own and I don't judge anyone for what they look for or what they want to do . You hire a lady based on what you are looking for and reviews when truthful can help you find what you need .

Sharing your story when you got ripped off should be nothing to fear about . In my eyes  A provider who takes your money and doesn't give you any type of service or doesn't stay her agreed time is ripping you off ....and I don't care how many great reviews she has .

That is my point !
xoxo CindySpice

Re:No Flames Here

IMO your right Penelope Cruz is far from a 10, hell I don't find her the least bit attractive really, Now Halle Berry is a 10, also that chick from Jag (sorry can't remember her name) is close

Halle Berry is a 10 ....don't know the chick from Jag ;-(

Dude, at these prices, you deserve a lot better.

Friendly piece of advice: you must review the reviewer as well as the reviewee. If a new reviewer gives a relativel unknown a 9/9, or thereabouts, the light bulb that is coloured red should go on above your head (the big one).

I am travelling today, if I have time I will expound elsewhere later.

Her name is Catherine Bell.  Now she's hot!  I watch the reruns of JAG on the USA Network with the sound off just to see her!

Now thats a good looking woman. If you have any direct contact info I would like it, LOL...YEAH RIGHT!!! Well I can dream......

I  Didn't mean anything wrong by that. Nothing big just about the BJ ...... you know although I agree with you it feels better BB ... it is just about the choice *wink wink*

we are cool baby ,
xoxo CindySpice

I have to say...I usually agree with Cindy and I think its great that you are about more than "sucki" fucki" as you put it..but I am all about the "sucki fucki" yes i like to establish a rapport..yes I try and be myself but I would be putting on an act if I did not say that I personally love greek and if it was really about more for me..or for the people that see me they'd get a girlfriend...they mostly want greatsex to get the things they dont get at home ..whether it be intimicy in the form of conversation..or itimicy in the way of bbbj.. most of the people that see me are not looking for a life long friend..although its great when it happens..I dont kid myself into thinking its more..it is what it is... i love to establish  a certain level of relationship if you call it that..but for the most part the people I see ..see me because they are looking for a hard body with a brain who loves sex..and this is in no way a critismn of anyone else..thats why they make 32 flavors so everyone can find what they truly desire..and if Coby had called an escort..he'd have saved himself a world of trouble..most would never even remember his phone # the next day..never mind save the underwear she was wearing....

I'd have hooked him up just fine! Just don't do it using your visa card!

Two problems:

1) CBJ (which, in my mind, is an oxymoron)feels like nothing at all, in the wrong interpretation of that term. It feels like someone is trying to suck on Saran Wrap. Without trying to pick on Cindy , CBJ and GFE just don't go together. Condoms are frequently used in real life BF/GF sex; they ae almost never used in BF/GF oral sex.

1a) The sexual politics regarding the CBJ/BBBJ deal have been exhausted ad nauseum here, so I won't repeat them. However, the women in general have done a fine job of holding out on this issue. They can say whatever they want, but locally speaking, most here have SO's, and will not take the risk of transmitting a STD no matter how small the risk. Personally, I think their chances are better by getting hit by a car than getting a uwanted microbe via oral with a client. That in itself opens up a can of worms which I'd rather not go into right now.

2) As some point in time one has to measure risk versus "return". If, at the $400/hr and up mark, a provider is unwilling to trust me healthwise, I'm not so willing to trust them. Vegas is a most untrustworthy town as it is, but at some point I wish the (CBJ practicing) ladies would realize this is a business of pleasure and to a certain extent the guy gets to call the shots, as it's his money.

2a) If a guy is obviously or even potentially unclean, that's different of course.

That's what we fear. Just like the story told below. We have to give out a ton of personal info just to meet. But we know absolutely nothing about you so there is a significant risk of reprisals for negative reviews.

BTW in some strange parallel universe my review still appears if you click on the blue link above. However if you do a general search for Kelle you won't find her in the database. So the only way to see her review is to go through my link. If you do a search in her region you won't find her on this board.

Your point about perception and response vs FACT was well stated.  I will try to remember that from now on if I feel inclined to write reviews.

And you're right: on technical merits Halle Berry is way hotter than Penelope Cruz - however I love sexy latina girls (why can't I find any in this industry?)  So I'll take Penelope and the gorgeous cast from that Showtime series Ressurection Blvd ANY DAY!  I married a Germanic blonde - go figure.

Re:No Flames Here

HMMMMMMMM

I wonder who those comments are referring too. Well FYI it is no longer pertaining to me!!

"Condoms are frequently used in real life BF/GF sex; they ae almost never used in BF/GF oral sex."

Where does that statement come from ?? in real life many BF/GF sex is done with out a condom . If it is used , it isn't because of an STD , it is protection against pregnancy .
All REAL life BF/GF I know do not use condoms for oral or sex .

Your definition of GFE is only if it isn't covered ( for oral )
and I am sure many will agree with you .........as my definition is different and others may agree with me ......that is what makes the world go round  . There is no right or wrong .


Trust ?? allowing a BBBJ has nothing to do with trust . It isn't because I trust you  or not .
Being clean , and groomed has nothing to do , with having an STD .
You can look and feel very healthy , be a very clean person  doesn't mean you are not carrying an STD .
Look at Magic Johnson he has  aids .........hmm how did he get it ?? I am sure he "trusted" whoever he got it from .
So now you'll say ...but yesterday I got tested ....so and sometimes things show up only months later ....


I also do not wish to go on and on about the sexual politics ........as in real politics people have different views and we fallow what we believe in .


Yes you are the paying customer , you have the right to pay for what you want . More power to you that you find what you want .
I just hope one day you won't be sorry as one local client was sorry when he ended up with herpes and had to explain it to his wife .


and to make it clear I am not judging anyone's decisions . Every person does what they feel comfortable with . It doesn't make one person better then another . We are all different in  what we want ,  and what  we offer and each pot will find it's cover!!



My opinion is,  you can still enjoy many things even when things are covered . That is why I have the clients that I have .
Your opinion is,  it has to be uncovered or I am not enjoying this .......well then that is why you chose to see who will offer that .

it is a free country and it is ok to have different opinions . If we were all the same .............life would be boring
xoxo CindySpice

GF , you really need to get a chip off your shoulder !
Not everything is about you !
Who was even thinking about you ????. I didn't even know you read this board . Never saw you post here .

I brought up weight ( as other issues like age ) because that is the main compliant guys have about MANY ladies all across the country !!

Geez get over yourself  !

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is that you lose all hope of ever recovering anything from the provider.  If this guy paid for an all-nighter and didn't get it then he could be walking on glass hoping to recover his relationship with the provider enough to get his good time at a later date.  He may, after all, see this as a substantial investment that he is not willing to simply walk away from.  And if that is true he needs to keep his trap shut with you other gals!!!

I've been in similar situations several times and have always been able to get things made right, even if it took as long as two or three weeks.  And the situation has never been a simple cash and dash type story, as I'm sure it is not here.  Usually there is some complex occurance of events that leads to the episode, possibly somewhat out of the control of either party.  But something transpires to create an atmosphere of conflict between the parties and there needs to be a cooling off period for headway to occur.  If you are dealing with a well known independent she is more likely to realize after some time for thought that it is in her best interest to make things right.  And knock on wood, but so far I've been a good enough diplomat to get problem situations in relations back on to friendly and exciting terms.

If this guy can't get the lady to get right with him after some time, however, I can see posting the facts.  The lady can't be allowed to get away with something so substantial as an all-nighter.  And posting the facts may be just the rude awakening she needs to set herself back on course.

Your right a GFE does not include a CBJ, if it was truly a GFE it would go down like this, She would call you up at work and talk about getting her nails and hair done and then just endless bable about nothing any of us guys really care about, Then nag about not getting to see you after you get off work because your going to watch Monday Night Football with your buds, then when you do cancel those plans to hang with her all she wants to do watch the first season of Sex and the City on dvd (God damn I hate that show!) and when you start to get a little frisky, not only are you not getting a BBBJ, she falls asleep on you right around the time you'd be at the bar watching Owens throw one hell of a block downfield to spring Barlow for a long TD run, Now that my friend is a true GFE...not like I'm talking about me, it's just an example

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" CBJ feels like nothing at all"- Number 6



I don't mean to get off a rant here, but......

Your dead on right with that, I hate them, Porn Star Keisha put it best when she told me she just don't understand why any man or woman would want to use a condom for oral, She said there is nothing better than the feeling of a man in your mouth and how smooth the head of a penis feels on your tounge (I guess I'll have to take her word for it, I won't be finding out anytime soon), One thing I do know is that not much feels better than her tounge on the head of my penis, LOL.

The odds are much better for allmost anything you can think of off the top of your head, Hell I won the lotto, but sure as hell have never had a std. As wierd as this may sound to you, my mother and one of my best friends are both in the medical field and I asked her and him what the odds of catching anything from oral sex with woman on a man was, both said, maybe close to zero. Also the DNA tests are much better than any of those old antibody tests, they can sometimes find a STD within days and usually no more than a week, maybe couple weeks or so.

Sorry, but I'll more then likely die of cancer, a heart attack, getting hit by a grey hound bus, choking on a M&M, getting shot by a one legged mime on a scooter in the middle of Mardis Gras during a horrible black powder rifle cleaning accident or something else crazy that the coroner will  file under death by misadventure before I caught a std from a woman going down on me bare back


Thats just my opinion I could be wrong

Big Poppa Gump (aka BIGPOPPA21220)


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Hey girl, Of course we are cool

Big Poppa

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL
See this is why I love you !!!
xoxo CindySpice

I just want to make something clear ........ I didn't mean there is anything wrong with  Sucki , Fucki .

I didn't mean to imply that my way of service is any better then any one else ... It is just different .
And different strokes for different folks . No way is better then another .


Some of my clients hire me thinking it is all about Sucki , Fucki , but then they get a taste of something a bit different , and actually really like it and then change their minds about how they want the session to be . So one night they want one way ,maybe another night another or maybe all the time the same . I am just saying you can open your mind to something a bit different and still have as much fun . Again I didn't say or mean I am any better .


If you love Greek , cool for you . Some guys want it and love it , some guys as you once said in a post think it is gross .

So you get clients who want what you offer , I get clients who want what I offer .
And what I offer is also WAY more then they will ever get from a real GF !!! As your service is too .

Now how did this thread turn from being about how I think guys should speak up , into what is better a CBJ or a BBBJ ?? LOL LOL

If Coby called me ..... I probably wouldn't even known who he was LOL LOL Many famous people think they are "to good"  to pay for it , not realizing that now he is actually paying more !!

When will they ever learn

I am sorry but I don't see how a top provider can even get into a situation like that in the first place !! ???!!!


What type of complex situation can happen .....  I just don't see it .
It shouldn't take weeks to figure out .....not even days .


I have never had any problems like this .Because I don't create them .

What can get out of control ?? I think things are very simple .

For an example   . A client paid $2500 for an overnighter . They went to dinner and show .... on the way back to the room the lady gets a call from her family  ( although my opinion is  she shouldn't have her phone on during the date ) Emergency your mom was rushed to the hospital .

Ok now she has to leave . well personally at that point I would give the client part of the money back ( we would both agree what is fair ) But lets say she says ... I'll come back tomorrow to finish the date . He agrees . Tomorrow comes , but she can't make it . She calls to tell him , sorry I can't make it .
Ok fine then offer to make it another time or offer to send back part of the money .....she never did .


So why does she have good reviews ??? because there are times she does give a great service( well she had to to build her reputation )  ....but when she thinks she can scam someone and get a way with it ....she does ..and no one finds out because no one will speak up .


I still fail to see where and how things can get out of control of either party . I think it is very simple .  
Even if I got drunk and out of control where I didn't know what I was doing at that moment ...... it should only take till next day to realize what I did and correct my mistake .

So is there something I am missing here ??

Thanks Cindy..I thought after I posted.." I hope she does not take that as a critismn of her" because its not... as I said 32 flavors..so evrryone can get hat they want//sometimes clients dont know what they want ans we have to show them.....

One of the reasons it turned was because this is a huge topic to men, LOL. Think about it how often do we think of sex? Yeah, I know too much right...But think about it. it's about guys speaking up and we have spoken, we want BBBJ's, Lol.

You are right about greek, I at one I time could not stand it really, I lost...um...Uh...um...Huh...Oh, I'm sorry, I lost intrest pretty quickly even thinking about it, but my friend Ava Devine, who most times will make you do it, Lol, She really seems to enjoy greek and since she likes it so much and is so good at it I have begun to kind of like it, but only if the girl is cool with it, I'm to nice of a guy and if I look down and see a woman getting ready to cry n pain, sorry that doesn't turn me, I know some you sickos would enjoy that, FREAKS!!! Now excuse me the goat I've got tied to by bed post is starting to eat my sheets

Big Poppa



Cindy,
This is for Cindy only, no one else read this, You know what I'm trying to do right Cindy... hey I said no one else read this buddy... Now lets see if we can get thread to turn the other way and become a thread about greek, I'm drunk with power, or I just may be drunk

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See why a GRADE isn't really a good idea .

I think it is just better to say what happened , then whoever reads it can decide for themselves do I want to see this person or not .

BUT something is missing for me in this story . Did you ask her why she had a "swing of attitude " ?  what did she say ?

She gave a BBBJ .......but DATY was a no ??? Did she get her period all of a sudden ?

She was DFK you .....but later no ??? Did you ask her what happen ??

If she has no real good reason then it should be told ....but maybe she has a good reason and you are not even aware of .


For an example ( sorry I have to be a bit graphic here )  A client asked me over the phone . Will you lick my nipples and body  ... I said yes of course . But when I got to the session he was sooooooo hairy I couldn't even see the nipple and when trying to lick him , I was chocking on his hair like a cat who has a hairball caught in their throat . SO I couldn't do it .

BUT I did tell him in a jokily way  - Honey you gotta wax this stuff off , I am chocking on your hair ,...... cough cough trying to get the hair out of my throat........it feels like I am licking your head not your body !

He laughed and realized I was right and he can't really expect me to lick him , even though I promised . So later there was no hard feelings .
But I bet if I started to do it , and then stop and say nothing he would probably think what is the matter ?? why did she start and stop and did not  do what she promised .

So also COMMUNICATE with your lady about things before coming back to complain about her .  

And if there really is no real reason , then time to complain .
Hope this helps , xoxo CindySpice

I agree sometimes they don't even know what they want and we have to show them ...........and sometimes they THINK they know what they want and we show them .

No worry Megan I think you are very cool and if I ever would have  a problem  or think I have a problem , I would email you in private to figure it out .

My post just take time to get posted because they first have to be approved
And sometimes I am just busy with other stuff *wink wink*