absolutely correct based on my own limited experience of only a handful moving to a RL outside relationship. What you say is Outside Dating 2.0. Mine was 1.0 for the newer guys. The transition from "customer" to "real boyfriend" is probably one of the most difficult transitions to negotiate successfully in my opinion, and has to be expertly timed. If you are off on your timing, you completely blow it. And yes, they do a lot a "testing" to weed out the guys just looking for freebies.
LA clients ask for things the girls don't offer and are pushy for those things. LA clients also want to get in serious relationships and push that as well. Too many stalkers in LA with an obsession with Kgirls.
There's a reason why girls go up North and stay there and get paid less per client. Less stress.
Either way it's too bad for the women when they have to deal with bad characters.
I know a few great women have gone up to the Bay Area, but some have also come down here from the Bay Area for the same reasons.
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over the years have shared stories of the things you describe as the reason they no longer work in LA. A few move to the BA or SD and OC, and others go on tour to other cities where customers are generally more respectful. There are douchebags everywhere, but we seem to have more than our share.
Its possible to have an outside relationship with a Kgirl. They are human, too, and sometimes, despite their work, they get emotionally lonely. However, the belief that these relationships are "serious" or "real life" will only get you in trouble in any number of ways.
You have to be completely respectful if you're going to ask a Kgirl on a outside date. You ask once, and if she doesn't jump on it, don't ever bring it up again. As the OP suggests, pushing will make you a stalker and could lead to blacklisting. If she changes her mind down the road after you have become an established regular, she may change her mind, but you should let her suggest the outside date at this point.
I not only agree with what you say about being "respectful" but I take it one step further.
When ever I find myself interested in having "more" with a lady than a hooker/john relationship, I don't put her on the spot by actually asking her, I will tell her how much I like her, but that SHE will have to be the one to do the asking, that way I know she is really interested and not just being polite to a good customer. I then give her a business card with all my contact information, which of course also has all my personal information, but I am single and don't care if she knows "everything" about me, as it makes any woman feel more secure. I tell her if she calls me I know she is interested, and if I don't hear from her, I will never bring the subject up again.
I am still waiting for several girls to call years later. lol, but I have had many actually call and a couple that didn't wait to call me and just said yes right then and there.
I disagree that none of these relationships are real, but if she keeps you as a "paying client" trust me, you are at most a "friend" not a real boyfriend. Most of these Asian girls are quite good at managing their money, you don't find many who will have any need to hit you up for rent money, if they REALLY like you and you have a "real" relationship at some point they will tell you so by refusing to take your money. Until then, enjoy the friendship and what ever you do, don't be the one who asks her to stop taking money, it has to be HER idea.
ive never even bothered trying to woo a kgirl. they always bugged me to go out with them. damn annoying sometimes. goddman can't take no for an answer!
Damn, heartbreaker.
Preferred targets for Kgirls looking for a three year and one day marriage to obtain permanent legal residence. When you're both Korean, it's easier to convince INS that it's the real deal. As the girls learn you're too smart to be hustled, they become your ex's, as you call them.
...stalkery douchebag. I won't tell anyone. Promise.
...He may be offering a class in Douchebaggery 101. It's a logical extension of the curriculum at JDU since the entire premise of the school is to learn how to negotiate a provider's fee down.
Has anyone met or communicated with one of these type of guys? If yes, does communication help them stop being pushy or stalking
meet with other hobbyists except at provider-sponsored meet and greets, and these are mostly indies, not agency girls. When hobbyists do start meeting up, some get arrested (see Seattle). Most of these guys that are pushy with the girls tend to be newer to the hobby and don't understand that the "relationship" is only about money or some other "goal" on a Kgirl's agenda. Any perceived "encouragement" on the part of the girl is just to keep you as a customer. That's why taking any of it too seriously is a fools errand.
A kgirl will expand your fantasy as long as it is profitable to do so for her. If that means calling you her "boyfriend" and going out with you once a month in order to get you to the incall four hours a week, they will do it. Don't get me wrong, outside dating is a lot of fun, but you can't lose sight of what is really going on. When you get stalkerish or pushy, or start texting a girl 20 times a day while she's working, you need to really raise up the weekly donations if you expect her to put with it. Once its no longer a "good deal" for her (i.e., time vs. money), she will stop and sometimes blacklist you with the booker.
I often get PM's from younger hobbyists asking questions about he and his CF having "feelings" for each other. My first question is how often he is seeing her. The answer is usually three or more hours a week. For a second tier girl, that's a whale of a regular, so she will tell him what he wants to hear in order to keep the dough coming in, and these young guys fall into the trap of thinking its real.
In short, keep your perspective and understand at all times the Kgirl's motivation in wanting to play into your fantasy that a hot girl is falling for you. You can play along, too, and its a lot of flirty fun, but don't get completely suckered in. If you suddenly ran out of money, do you think she would continue the "relationship" because you have "feelings" for her?
Everything you say is true about dating K-girls except for the rare times when a K-Girl really does like you and not just for your money.
Many of my first couple of dates with girls that ended up being real LTR's started with OTC "non sexual" dates. A lot of these girls will want to test you to see if you really like them or if you are just looking for a freebie. Many of these girls will want to have a couple of "friends first" no sex dates and you will have to "woo" them to prove your feelings are sincere just like any civvie chick. Most of these girls aren't stupid, if they are going to give up a paycheck, they want to be damn sure you aren't just out for a freebie.
Now this only applies to providers who are really interested in a "real" relationship, not hookers simply giving you more fantasy to keep you coming back for more, but it's an excellent way to gauge her intentions. The secret of course is not to ask for more than she is willing to give. The last thing any of us wants to do is get needy or clingy or start getting feelings for a woman who only sees you as a paycheck. The fastest way to chase off a hooker is to tell her "I love you" when she doesn't share those feelings.
absolutely correct based on my own limited experience of only a handful moving to a RL outside relationship. What you say is Outside Dating 2.0. Mine was 1.0 for the newer guys. The transition from "customer" to "real boyfriend" is probably one of the most difficult transitions to negotiate successfully in my opinion, and has to be expertly timed. If you are off on your timing, you completely blow it. And yes, they do a lot a "testing" to weed out the guys just looking for freebies.
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send over a couple of bi-sexual Kgirls. Actually, ANY nationality of Asian girls will do. You're welcome to mix or match. I think I can speak for GaG on that point.
You're on your own with that -- with or without GaG. I'll keep the girls here and happy 
anytime you got hot girls banging fat ugly geezer dudes there will always be stalkers. part of nature of man when a hot chick DFKs and sucks their dicks. the ugly fatso dude can't help to mistake paid act by the girl for real love.
i do agree though LA has the most stalkers due to the higher male korean population of clients. now the korean males are the real douchebags. always pushing for bareback, going to the girls apartments after work etc. damn LA korean men are assholes
Or you Koreans get blow-by-blow reports from bookers
I've heard that the booker share is lower in many cases so.... Might be win-win for the girls.
a 60-40 split between the girl and org, regardless of the rate. There are only slight variances in some markets. The rate is what the market will bear in a particular city. The booker gets paid out of the org's share. Accordingly, the girl's 60% share is greater at $300/hr than at $250. However, oftentimes, the girls in the $250 markets like LA are booked bell to bell, so they make up the hourly difference on the volume, while some higher $300 markets may have slow periods throughout the day, even for the top girls.
I concur with the notion that some of the LA guys are mentally unstable and generally unfit for society. Some of the girls that I've seen in LA have been bruised and roughed up around the hips and thighs. One of them was seared with a cigarette butt on her breast by one of the infamous client earlier this year. Keep in mind all these girls mentioned above are fully scheduled aces.
One of the most unbelievable stories this year came from a top spinner. After repeatedly declining the offer to go OTS with one client, that said client befriended her other working friends. The client then proceeded to "date" her co-workers for several months before "casually" asking her co-worker to "invite her along" in an event. Needless to say all the girls involved were emotionally devastated. This just goes to show how fked up some of us are.
Basically if you can imagine it, a degenerate is attempting it.
It sounds sort of Vietnamese: tay lung con(g)
Must be spending time around Vietnamese?
After you mentioned it, I could see that.
I have never seen a bruised girl.
Are they getting bruised from rough grabbing? or are they getting slapped or punched?
Can't believe the girls are allowing it, and not getting these guys blacklisted.
One of the most unbelievable stories this year came from a top spinner. After repeatedly declining the offer to go OTS with one client, that said client befriended her other working friends. The client then proceeded to "date" her co-workers for several months before "casually" asking her co-worker to "invite her along" in an event. Needless to say all the girls involved were emotionally devastated. This just goes to show how fked up some of us are.
for those who are interested, myself included.
I don't detect any shortage. Maybe there are less here than a year or two ago, but still plenty.
That's my experience and impression too.
I also thought another contributing factor is that many of the girls live in LA. Thus, they prefer to work in another city rather than where they are living. I know at least 'some' of the girls I've spoken to prefer not to work in the city they are living. Partly again - for fear of being stalked.
Some of the stories though - amazing how manipulative and even vindictive guys can become. I don't think dbags are limited to LA - they are freaking all over the place. From my understanding, if you are clean, hygienic and respectful - that puts you in the top 20% of the clients they see
and that is a common theme. It seems like almost every K-Girl I meet here lives either in CA or NY.
I have also noticed that while most of them prefer their adopted home towns over Texas, most of them do comment about how much nicer and well behaved the guys in Texas seem to be. They also get "fair market" rates here in Texas of about $300 hour, which is the going rate for "most" providers, not just K-Girls