you don't even have any reviews, dumbass, who the fuck are you and why should we tell you anything?
why do so many agencies use photoshoped faces for providers, it looks so obvious and makes want to see a K girl even less, does anyone know an actuall good K girl agency that dosent fake pictures.
and perhaps which agencies you've been to would help some provide more useful answers than just revisiting old discussions. This is a national board so feed back from one area might not be too helpful if you're in another area.
Im in the washington Dc area, I usually see reviews for these K girls but they pictures look obviously photoshopped. for example like Sweet angles
DMV is a mixed bag. I think it worth first accepting that these are advertisements so one should expect the pics to make the woman look as good as possible -- just like any fashion mag or Playboy would do. So when you say photoshopped I assume you're talking about thinks like taking belly fat off and making the waist line look like a 23" waist when it's really a 27" one.
Used to be that pretty much all the pics made the breast look bigger than they were. Which I always laughed a bit about as they would list the girl as B (or even A) but the pic looked more like a C. But I always found just spending a little time critically looking at the image rather than using it to create some dream girl helped a lot.
I think things are getting better than they were a year or more ago (much more like it was pre-pandemic) and generally have been pretty good not being surprised with who opens the door recently. However, I do pass on more these days than I used to. DS was very good -- have not been there for over 3 years now so might have changed -- and seems to still be maybe the best. I do very well with AG. Kpop (only one visit) was okay. I would expect both CP and JJ's to be similar to DS or AG as they've been around the area for years too. SA is an LA offshoot so I would think it acts more like the west coast agencies.
You ask why, but I don't really think that is a useful question -- even if of interest for many. You've gotten some answers and not being recognized by immigration officials or LE is a legitimate one (there are also legal ramifications under Korean Law that many might not be aware of). And, of course, these ARE advertisements so one should expect some degree of creating desire by making the lady look as good as possible. Clearly there are lines between making someone look good and making them look like someone else.
What I find helps me is not worrying about why others do whatever it is they are doing but understanding that the are and figuring out how best to assess that behavior to allow me to make better choice. I think a critical look at the pics to see if you have doubts and an assessment of the extent of the modification to the image is a first action. If I think the image is too questionable so I don't think who opens the door is someone I would want to see I'll just pass. I generally do a pretty good job there and seldom feel the agency has mislead me. I also don't try to get in with all the agencies which I think helps better assess what they are offering. And as badger notes, the research you should be doing is much more than just looking at the picture and then getting all excited about the fantasy your create in your mind before you make you appointment.
Pics that are given to them by the kgirl.
ok but so many K girls do this, how do you know which one is real or not
I go into a store and see a cake that had pics done one way but it looks like an effin turd.
And the retailer says "oh but pics were given by us by a shop who makes cake".
Is that a good excuse? No, it isn't. I don't give a flying fuck who put up fake pics. The end result for end consumer (me) is that pics look nothing like real life, and it's extremely misleading.
I'm sure retailers would love to make as much money as possible from misleading, because capitalism. But fear of a lawsuit hangs over them so they have a certain limit they can't go over.
So tell me again, why shouldn't an end customer not complain about pics if the pics are given by the girl.
It doesn't matter whether the pics were given to orgs by the girl, her boyfriend, her mama or the fucking Dasher the reindeer. The pics are fake. And since customers do all buying and selling with the org, the org is culpable.
by immigration and law enforcement authorities.
...for facial photoshopping like the good little White Knight you are. CDL has NEVER posted a link regarding the use of facial recognition and you didn't either. CDL keeps on repeating the same example; the same hearsay about the same K-girl who got caught coming back from Mexico:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/no-the-main-reason-----11193?frmSearch=1#11193
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/there-are-a-few-girls-----14069?frmSearch=1#14069
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/not-pro-monger-----17831?frmSearch=1#17831
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/the-standard-for-inferior-product-----27071?frmSearch=1#27071
Assuming arguendo that photoshopping faces IS done to avoid facial recognition, then why is photoshopping done for "flat Asian butts" (as CDL referred to them)? Why is photoshopping done, in the words of CDL, to "add at least a cup size to the boobs?" Do you and CDL contend that Homeland Security also has ass and tit recognition software? No? Then why are the tits and asses of K-girls photoshopped?
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You never fail to generate nonsensical, straw man replies. Why don’t you go post more links that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
I leave him on ignore, so I will give that a try. It's only been a few days, and it already feels good to cancel someone who is toxic for this board.
Not a single defender of shitty practices has come up with a single reason why BODY is nothing like the reality.
So this reasoning is garbage. There is no other reason to make the girl a lot slimmer and better looking body-wise except to lie in order to get money.
with another spurious argument. What does facial recognition have to do with T&A photoshopping? Nothing.
If hiding the actual identity of the provider wasn’t the objective of the facial photoshopping, why would the providers with beautiful faces photoshop them?
I gave the OP an explanation of why the faces are photoshopped (to hide identity). I didn’t mention T&A imagery at all. It was BigP and you (can we collectively refer to you as Team Beta?) who brought that obtuse angle into the discussion.
Yes and I've said it multiple times not a single defendant (such as yourself) of shitty practices have come up with any legit reason for photoshopped body.
And as far as faces go, why not blur the pics instead of making the girl look twenty years younger and like a model when she's Ajumma status? Never seen an answer to this either.
I've seen some of the psd pics "before" and "after" side by side. Sure, they came from disgruntled POs, but I have confirmation that the ugly pics are actually correct. And this also disproves the other guys theory that all pics are given to the orgs as is. Clearly if that were the case the PO would never have one pre photoshop pic.
So your explanation of the phenomena is at the very least incomplete and likely, incorrect.
The fact that actual faces are risky due to facial recognition can be used as a convenient excuse to make the girl appear younger, more fit and a model.
If the goal is to ONLY hide the faces, then there would be no model, dolled up pop idol faces when the actual woman is old enough to look like my aunt if I were asian.
I'm no one's sidekick. I'm all for truth and fairness and customers being all treated fairly and calling out entities that have to lie in order to make money off customers.
I know it might be tough to understand what fairness and truth is, and people not liking others making money by lying.
Also, sidekicks don't argue with their, well, sidekicks. I've argued a lot with bigp. Unlike you politics-heavy bros, I have no party line that I must adhere to and there is no partisanship in my vocabulary. I rally for anything that benefits the consumers. And fake pics do not, *ever*, provide any benefit to consumers, only stress and disappointment.
As such, fake pics MUST be called out. Which is what I'm doing. Good day.
Of course, that would be admitting that this immigration facial recognition is but a mere pretense to justify making money off lies
I'll ask again.
Why aren't the pics real but with blurred faces? Why do they use someone who is often younger than them by twenty years and also fifteen pounds lighter? Department of homeland security got weight scales or something?
This will happen any time anyone will try to use that excuse. Get this disingenuous nonsense garbage out of here. Why don't you say it like it is. The girls don't blur faces but instead use someone else's youthful pic or heavy ps pic to make her look twenty times better and younger, because she can earn more money off LIES than the truth.
and the pics on the websites!
Why isn't what you should be too concerned with.
In L.A./SoCal some pics are pretty accurate.
This is where doing your research comes into play.
Learn how to maneuver/work with the Kgirl system and
IMO, you will have good sessions with real good looking Kgirls!
There isn't one Korg out here that has all real pics.
Some are not the girl, some are close, and some are the girl with very little PSing.
Research and learn how to use the info given to you!
He wants it to be complicated so he has something to whine about. If this was a universal problem for most Kgirl mongers, there would be more guys whining about it like rocket does. As you say, with a little experience, and knowing how they approach photoshopping and what to look for, disappointments can be avoided.
No one should be completely fooled by body photos that are altered. Rocket complains of making fat girls look thinner, but the majority of the time, the PS'ing is calculated to make thin girls look curvier. Bigger tits and a rounder butt are the standard adjustments in this biz. We should all assume that going in. I prefer upgraded C-cups, and that's what most of the girls have, irrespective of the profile or web ad claiming D or DD. Mother Nature does not put big balloons on slender girls, and if a slender girl really has DD's using upgrades, they look like clown tits, which seems counter-intuitive to me if their goal is to turn you on with a girlfriend experience.
Why don't you answer why girls put up fake faces that make them look a lot younger and better, instead of simply blurring?
Wanting for people to stop making money via lies is whining?
If you love money so much that you lie in order to sell and make money, be prepared for criticism of said lies.
If you have to resort to lies, maybe try another profession. And I couldn't care any less you can't pay your gambling debts or might be out of housing. Use your real pics or blur face. Don't use someone else's pics. Don't use fake pics.
It's hilarious how people want to protect people who gain money by lying. Disgusting.
by others. If you read ALL of the posts on this thread, you will get your answer. It's mainly for privacy and security issues. I have no problem with blurring either. It accomplishes the same thing and was the standard practice for many years.
Your problem is that you are expecting photoshopping to give you a DIFFERENT result than blurring, which you seem to be okay with. They are BOTH used to address privacy and security concerns. If you look at a photoshopped face, you should consider that you get getting the same information as if it was blurred. The problem is with your expectation, not the practice. If you consider that PS'ing is no different than blurring, like I do, then you have solved the problem and you won't be so whiney and stressed. Personally, with PS'ing, I can still get a better idea of how she "might" look than with blurring. With the amount of networking you claim to do with other mongers, I would think that you would have figured this out on your own by now like so many others have who are newer to Kgirls than you represent yourself to be.
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So I'll ask you again. Slowly this time so maybe you understand my actual question. I'm not interested in what you consider and your workarounds. Zero interest because I know you'll protect your booker golfing friends and girls who sell pussy over truth and fairness with fellow anonymous hobbyists. Your biased view was clear from day one.
But anyway, here is my question. Listen carefully.
What.
Is.
The.
Intent.
Of making pics be younger and better looking than the girls (and half the time girls are too old to be called girls) actually are?
Instead of
Blurring the pics?
What does that achieve? And why is it done?
Blurring the pics and having a real body = truth
Having fake body or fake face = lie
So why not give the truth and not lie? Is it because truth doesn't pay and if some of these girls would post truthful pics their biz would die down? Do answer.
Come on, answer the question I'm asking instead of playing dumb and saying consider them equal.
It's very simple. If you can't make money via truth, maybe it's not your profession. Stay in your lane, plenty of honest work to be had out of there. Sure it might not pay off your gambling debt if you are a janitor, but at least you won't do it by tricking others.
And if you lie in order to get money, be prepared for a pushback. In any other industry there would be a oushback. But because these girls are selling pussy they somehow get the fucking exception.
Market research has shown that mongers are more likely to respond to an ad with a photoshopped face than a blurred face. Imagine all wonderful experiences many mongers would miss out on if some of the top tier providers had just submitted a blurred face to their agencies!
You’re an outlier. You prefer blurred face ads. Must suck to be you. But it seems like whenever you get horny you dropped your online “I’m shocked by this behavior” persona and fork over your money like the rest of us…
First I wasn't talking to you. Don't make me quote Lavar Ball again.
But, drop the marketing language bs and let's try it again.
I want to hear it from both of your mouths.
What you're saying is, It has been shown that if you lie about product you're selling it would be better for profits, than if you tell the truth.
So, in other words, they lie because it makes more money than to tell the truth.
Do you both agree? I distilled it to the core issue here.
What is better for the monger? Lie or truth?
Pretty self-explanatory answer here.
If the mongers are having a better time with a photoshop girl than a blur face, it’s obvious that the photoshop marketing prevails.
You didn't answer the question. I didn't ask what is better for profits.
I asked which is better for the monger - truth or lie before he chooses the girl.
If you are going to say a lie is better for the monger, you really have no fucking shame.
"So, in other words, they lie because it makes more money than to tell the truth."
Photos are exaggerated in almost every marketing campaign for consumer products. I was about 8 years old when I pointed out to my dad that I had NEVER been served a McDonalds hamburger that looked as good as the one in the ad pic. Yet, you seem to want to apply a double standard by holding Kgirls to a higher standard than any other industry. Now that you have finally come out of the darkness and learned the secret . . . . ." . . . .they lie because it makes more money than to tell the truth", you can start learning how to deal with it the way everyone else has. Do what I did. Start yourself on the road to discovery by comparing food ads to what they actually give you. You still eat it, because it tastes good. Even if the Kgirl does not look as good as her ad photo, you can still eat her, too. Lol
Now for the serious part. If you don't like the false advertising by restaurants, you can decline to give them your business, but you have to eat SOMEWHERE, so you can't take yourself out of the game completely. It will be much easier to take yourself off Kgirls than off of food. You just don't have sex with Kgirls. Problem solved. Give yourself a hand.
I know this and have known this. All I wanted to hear is that you
1) acknowledge that girls/orgs deliberately lie to customers to make more money
2) acknowledge that this facial profiling narrative is just a convenient excuse just so try can lie their ass off
3) think it's ethically fine for pieces of shit to make money off poor customers via misleading and lying.
Well, I don't think it's ethically fine. Liars who make money off lies are scum. And the way I deal with liars is show them their place. And denounce them everywhere I can publicly. Liars deserve to lose money.
And no, pieces of shit who mislead and lie in order to customers in order to make a profit in any industry, I hold to the same standard. If the world wakes up tomorrow without a single liar who profits off lies to the customer, it would be a much better place and I'd celebrate it profusely.
Anyone who makes money off selling lies to customers is scum.
And if one think lying in order to make a profit off someone's disappointment is just fine and dandy, well he or she (I don't discriminate gender wise) probably aren't far off from a piece of shit themselves as far as I'm concerned.
From my personal experience it's not a big problem. I haven't seen hundreds or thousands of KGirls like you and rocket, but I've probably seen 50 between LA, OC and Vegas. And the first ten or so that I saw used real, current, true photos of themselves. While more recently the girl doesn't always look exactly like her photos, I've never walked in and found a facially unattractive KGirl or one that I would be embarrassed to be seen with in public. And of all the KGirls I've seen only one has been flabby/overweight. So what's the big deal?
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Or is it materially different in the low-end KGirl shops and AMPs in the Bay Area and you actually walk into a session with a truly ugly or really overweight lady who is so repulsive that the equipment can't be activated? If that is the case why not just walk out and never use the agency/AMP again?
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And yes I understand that rocket is literal and binary and expects recent 100% accurate photos or it's misleading, but in reading this thread it appears to me that as usual he's on an island of one and no one else shares his absolutist views. So maybe it's just time to move on?
In this thread I asked why not blur faces and have truthful bodies? This would be more than acceptable to me and it would constitute truth. I want pics of normal human beings and real body shapes.
If a cmilf has pics that are more close to actual cmilf than a kmilf who looks similar but looks like a 19 year old model in pics, there's a big big problem.
Here's the thing RH.
There ARE girls with real pics. Real face pics. I've seen a girl recently with fairly accurate pics of her face. You know why she didn't have to hide it? She has a pretty face. She wasn't shy about it. She turned up the light fully when I was tying my shoes, because she knows she's pretty to look at.
Interestingly enough, she seemed to not care about dangers of being singled out by the Dea or whatever agency oversees things. So, some pretty-faced girls aren't afraid to flash real face. But most butterfaces are shy about it. Isn't that an interesting coincidence?
But I digress, yes please go on how I'm on an island yadda yadda.
CDL doesn't think "heavy photoshopping" of a K-girl's face makes the photo a fake as long as it's an actual photo of the K-girl being advertised. CDL is against photos hijacked from Korean models, musicians, personal trainers, etc. and being passed of as the advertised K-girl. Those are the photos CDL considers to be fakes.
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/where-would-the-line-of-----27081?frmSearch=1#27081
On the other hand, CDL is against the photoshopping of the bodies of K-girls. Why? Because CDL doesn't like fat girls. In that case CDL would be inclined to call out an org that is passing off fat girls as tight bodies through photoshopping.
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/when-i-started-with-kgirls-after-----27089?page=
ROFLMAO!! CDL is only against photoshopping when HIS ox is being gored, i.e., when the photoshopping makes a fat K-girl look skinny. He's not against "heavy photoshopping" to make a 50 year old look like a 21 year old as long as the photo was really of the 50 year old. And I really doubt that CDL would ever call out any org for any reason.
If it really were a universal problem for most K-Girl mongers then I don't think many would be whining about it. I think there would cease to be a K-Girl market as so no K-Girl mongers. They would be seeing other types.
I'd also note that I've seen a lot worse from non K Asian providers/agencies but I suspect that is getting wrapped up in the K label.
And, of course, while I'm likely preaching to a fairly large choir on this, a simple fact is that questionable marketing practices are and have always been a part of market economies (and pretty much every other society that relies on extensive exchange as a basis for it's economic functions).
Something of a side bar but one might speculate, based on some standard game theory tenants, that we should see this type of bad marketing in cases where the agency/K-Girls derive most of their money from the one-time customer who they will never see again. Or in the case of the agency not for a few months perhaps. So one might think that seeing local girls who are not touring might tend to get more accurate pics. Here in DMV Josephine seems to support that hypothesis. Agencies that have large customers bases and are not easily accessible by new people might also be better than others. DS (DMV again) might fit that image; other tenured agencies might also prove to have more reliable ads than newer ones or those that easily accept new customers. For agencies another factor to consider might be the touring K-Girls. Does the agency have a rotation of girls that tour the area multiple times a year or is it more likely that if you miss seeing the girl when she was available you'll not see her in the future at the agency?
But it's not only about the structure of the supply chain, customer-supplier relationships also influence outcomes. If the provider/agency never get praise for doing good things and almost always get raked over the coals for some pretty trivial things and the same people doing that keep going back to the agency no incentive for act right exists. In fact the incentive is to "defect" as the standard action as that is likely the putting them in the high payoff cell of the game matrix.
I think there are some strategic approaches mongers can, collectively, take to improve how things are done at most operations in the K-Girl space. However, the key word there is probably "collectively" which makes me think that is as likely as any price (or fake pic) boycott. But perhaps if there were a slight culture change from what seems to be an us-them view of those wanting the services and those providing the services. I won't, however, be holding my breath.
And yes, the fake pic practice isn't exclusive to kgirl ads. This doesn't preclude anyone from talking them in context of kgirls, which is what this board is about. If this board was about cmilfs/gilfs, we could talk about them too.
I suggest not resorting to whataboutism or appeal to tradition fallacies when it comes to discussing ethical questions.
Appeal to tradition is especially nasty. As a reminder, it was used by certain people who opposed a certain group of other people riding in front of the bus.
Just because something was always done doesn't mean it's OK to do now or was OK to do it then. A hundred years ago many groups of people had very few rights, it doesn't mean they shouldn't have it today.
but not it's been turning in to one person's demand that all accept the one true answer and any alternative views must be rejected as either false answers or efforts to support the behavior.
It's too bad. But like they say, one rotten apple can spoil the barrel. I just hope the admins will suggest he take a less argumentative approach to the boards here. I seem similar discussions on another site and it manages to maintain a more civil level of engagement and avoid the endless argument by those demanding to have the last word but just keep repeating the same thoughts adding nothing new to the discussion whatsoever.
I hope you got some answers you found useful in making up your mind about playing in the K-girl play ground or help you decide to move on to another.
I never demanded to accept any true answer or any other garbage like this.
I just wanted the op to understand the true reason fake pics are made and not the bs excuses that defenders of shitty practices perpetuate.
They are made because if the sellers were to put the truth, they will sell a lot less. So they DELIBERATELY and KNOWINGLY mislead their own customers, all for a dirty green piece of paper.
The op is unhappy because pics are fake. He should know that it isn't some unfortunate circumstance/safety precaution that makes a forty year old ajumma market herself as a model twenty year old. No, they do it by CHOICE
So the whole "they do it only because they can't for privacy and legality reasons" is completely false. No, they do it to sell more. And the worse a product is, the worse a lie.
...Back to OPs question. Yes, kgirl shops are notorious for extreme Photoshop or just using pics of someone else. Read the reviews & go to the DC board to find the most accurate (if there is one). I'm in DC and there was some discussion of a newer agency that uses real pics. I didn't pay a lot of attention because this exact issue makes me avoid all kgirl agencies. I went once and won't do it again.
... because generating a new "AI" picture whenever they want one will be so easy. Saving the costs of a venue, outfit, background, photoshop kiddie, etc. will drive this, along with not needing to have the girl. It also completely fixes the image-search and facial-recognition issues. The better shops will prompt the AIs to generate some "resemblance", the worse shops won't bother.
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You heard it here first.
I hope those who make Ai pics take Ai clients and accept Ai money
Silly, we're talking about ad images for real-money business.
There's someone on Twitter w/ an account that looks like a SW but the images are total AI. Luckily, they're labeling it as such and there's no contact info. I imagine they'll have a photo-only OF account soon. "She" looks real. Even the eyes. Soon we'll all need AI to detect AI ads.
Just read that a 20something influencer created an AI chatbot of herself, identified it as a chatbot, and made $5K the first day she brought it online, charging $1 a minute to chat with it!
Not sure if it's been mentioned elsewhere, but you can see AI-generated kgirl photos in action right now.
Kisum
https://www.candygirlla.com/portfolio-1/kisum
Somi
https://www.candygirlla.com/portfolio-1/somi
Almost photorealistic, but you can see a slight lack of texture in the face and hair.
Whatever the case, it didn't stop me being curious about Kisum. Reviews from those who TOFTT are good, so she's on my radar.
I recently saw 2 Kgirls blindfolded. See reviews. Best experience ever! No disappointments. I saw both of these Kgirls later with eyes wide open and they were good but actually the blindfold experience was better.
If you have issues with pics, go in blindfolded. I dare you. Lol
you don't even have any reviews, dumbass, who the fuck are you and why should we tell you anything?
The majority of TER members do not write reviews, they pay to READ them. I did this my first 7 years on TER because I was reviewing on another site that concentrated on SoCal Kgirls. When they closed up in 2015, I started reviewing here. TER does not allow reposting of reviews here that are also posted elsewhere, so sometimes reviewers have to make a choice. With that said, I agree with your point. I am slow to give help to guys who do not give back to the community by way of reviews like the rest of us do.
If you don't want to give info, then don't.
Attacking someone who's exhibiting frustration with pics without even saying anythijg on-topic, is not a good look.
Say, how is it with fake pics in NoVa or Philly nowadays?
Not only fake pics also multiple bookers/aliases for same girls and different rates by different bookers at times as well. Rate structure a bit more complicated now with options in BBFS/MSOG as well. Rates are all over place as standard non BBFS one shot/one hour rate could be $300, $320, $340, $350, $360, or $380. Less fake pics, not as many girls with multiple aliases, and more or less standard rate of $250-260 /hour kept the industtry more consistent overall during CV days.