First, a disclaimer. No, this topic is not about shitting on kgirls. I like kgirls. If you're looking to do that - you're in the wrong thread and I'd prefer not to have you here (you know who you are). And yes, chinese orgs especially those pimping younger ones, are guilty of this as well- this is not limited to korgs.
Let me share this experience. There are two girls whom I've seen over the last year who were on the bigger side. One was chubby and chunky defensive tackle build, the other chunky linebacker build. Their faces were 'homely' but not outright hurt. They were close to same age - milfs in their 40s. One was advertised by a milf/gilf chinese org. The other was advertised by Mia's (of sexyangels.site in LA) lovelyangels org Neither has lasted too long, Megan likely because of covid lockdown and Lisa because I don't think customers like these type of girls much.
But that's not the point here.
The point is HOW they were advertised. Org apologists on this forum keep saying how they cant show their faces, blah blah need high quality pics blah blah
The links to pics are attached.
In one, I see a regular auntie on a chunkier side, but an actual human being.
In another, I see a heavily photoshopped model body of a younger face. This is a recurrent theme in asian agency advertising, especially in kgirl and young cgirl ads. Both girls had blurred faces. Can anyone here GUESS which pic was true to what I got, and which one was completely off on what I got ? Which was WYSIWYG and which one was "surprise mutherfucker" ? Now, the million dollar question. What prevents all orgs to take honest pictures like the one which is WYSIWIG ? It certainly isn't their visa status. I believe both TW and South Korean visas are on the same level in the US. If I'm wrong, please correct me. At least show their body type, head and facial structure, FFS. (Most kgirls pics are photoshopped model bodies, and not their own bodies. WHY ? Why the lying ? Why not a real body ?) Here's a rhetorical question, which org in this case was more honest with their customers and which org earned more trust ? And again, what prevents orgs from doing so with all their girls ? You dont need a fucking bazillion dollar photoshoot. http://files.switter.at/media_attachments/files/012/210/013/original/ee7e5c9a613fff38.jpg
http://files.switter.at/media_attachments/files/009/787/480/original/a43f45762221a52f.png
in fact, this Lisa may be found here too, and pics were likely stolen. http://tokyo-vip.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/0629-tokyomadam-1.jpg
http://tokyo-vip.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/0629-tokyomadam-4.jpg
http://tokyo-vip.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/0629-tokyomadam-6.jpg I saw Lisa in the fall of 2019 and Megan in the spring of 2020. Which org do you think I trust more with their advertising ?
but the truth of the matter is, I would NEVER have seen the first linebacker you linked to Meagan, I don't care what the price was, even if it was fifty bucks.
AND if any of the girls you linked turned out to resemble "Meagan" I would turn around and walk at the door.
Sorry that I am unwilling to play your little game, but unlike the guys you are targeting here, I DO have standards and I have THREE rules which everyone who knows me on the other boards already knows, "no gordas no feas y no viajes" Those rules aren't just for chicas, they apply to fatties, fuglies and old broads of every race and nationality.
You keep trying to find solutions to a problem that simply doesn't exist for me. When a fattie opens the door I feel ZERO obligation to walk in. I feel bad for you guys who think you have no choice, but I have free will AND I have standards. I don't see women who don't certain minimum standards for looks. Using Meagan as an example, she does NOT meet my minimum standards and I would NEVER have booked an appointment with her after seeing her "honest" pics, nor would I go through with a session with a woman who looked like her, but who used fake pics in order to lure me to her incall.
The actual answer to your question is simple. The orgs do this because "they can" if guys like you, (you do admit to going through with the sessions) tolerate this kind of crap, well shame on you. I can only speak for myself, but I don't go through with sessions when a, wait for it "gorda, fea o vieja" answers the door. No one has a gun to your head, it's your own fault if you go through with the session not to mention it encourages more of the same. I have one other rule, and that rule is "don't reward bad behavior" fucking a fat broad just because "you're there" only encourages more of this kind of deceptive behavior, so every time you go through with a session after being lied to, you become part of the problem and not part of the solution.
I have come to the conclusion rocket's entire rhetorical style is very similar to the rather crass technique of using compound questions in debates and interviews.
For those that are not familiar, the tactic is to ask a "simple" question and try to force a yes/no response. However that simple question carries an implicit prior questions/assumption. The classic example is to ask someone if they have stopped beating their wife and insist on a yes/no answer. If you fall into the trap, the next statement is along the lines of "So you admit you beat your wife." Now the person who failed to see the trap is on defense trying to refute a falsehood.
That seems to be exactly how rocket engages. It's very annoying.
For me, other can decide for themselves, rocket is a net negative on this board and I really wish he would leave -- or change his behavior.
But if he wants to stay I think it would be really good to hear from him just what success he has ever had in his crusade against these evil orgs he suffers under. Has his efforts reduced the frequency of such tactics at all, even 1%, in the BA?
It's called a loaded question, Jensen, and that's not really what I'm doing.
I really don't like liars and hypocrites. You can say that in an illegal business it's tough to not be a liar, and yeah it ain't easy being gangsta, I get it. However, there are instances of not lying and they contrast so much with lying, that the latter makes me pissed off.
I merely try to turn attention to bullshit and anti-consumer behavior and those who choose to condone it.
I also made as many helpful posts as I could about bay girls and even LA girls on this board. In terms of rebrands and such. I always try to help any monger whom I can help.
You wanted me to leave from day one when I called out you giving an advise to other member to not write a meh review on a meh session he had. Interestingly enough, GaG didn't call you a pussy, but hey, I get it. That's fine. You don't like my style. Many others don't like negative shit being said about their hobby if somehow they can't affect it. Yeah well, not my style to just focus on positive or simply ignore stuff that you seemingly have no control of. Not to mention, many people are used so much to the way the game is played by orgs, they have false impression of how much they can control.
I did not do anything to be banned from this board. All I did was try to help fellow mongers and vent about many bullshit practices in the game.
So sorry, if I want to stay, I don't have to do anything what you say I should do. I just stay. You can go ahead and ignore me if you wish - even better, this way more non-regs here and maybe even the few newbies who do stop by have better visibility of my posts.
Fuck fake reviews
Fuck org shills and lackeys and pr teams
Fuck deceptive ptactices
Fuck scammers and fuck liars
It's really that simple. You don't like it, too bad. This isn't restricted to kgirls, Asians or even p4p industry.
I also never attacked anyone here personally. About the most was me calling some people cowards, no worse than what Gag says. Can't say the same for what some of ya'll said about me. Even if I disagree with many of you and despise some of hypocritical shit you post, I do respect and have love for my fellow mongers. If I didn't, I wouldn't even care about this shit. Kgirls service is very good and I'm generally more satisfied than not. With that said, I'm a big believer in posting shit in public so there's just more awareness about everything.
This ended up longer than I expected. Typing this up in a meeting was fun.
"It's called a loaded question, Jensen, and that's not really what I'm doing.
I really don't like liars and hypocrites. You can say that in an illegal business it's tough to not be a liar, and yeah it ain't easy being gangsta, I get it. However, there are instances of not lying and they contrast so much with lying, that the latter makes me pissed off.
I merely try to turn attention to bullshit and anti-consumer behavior and those who choose to condone it. "
1) I have never seen it called a loaded questions. Compound, double-barreled or complex questions yes but the one thing they all have in common is that they are considered, cheap, *deceptive* and intentionally confusing rhetorical tricks.
2) Given your own choice of behavior to use such tricks you should not be too surprised that your claims of honesty and integrity don't come across as a bit hollow.
3) That hollowness is further echoed by you repeatedly claiming any that disagree in any way with you are condoning the actions of the agencies you bitch about.
I would add two further comments. First, NOTHING in what you are saying is new to anyone here, and NO ONE here has condoned, agree with, supported or promoted the use of misleading pics or even BL for bad reviews as you keep claiming. This makes you a liar AND a hypocrite. Second, what GaG has said.
A double barreled (or double direct) question is a compound question that touches upon more than one issue, but allows only for one answer. It is what is called an informal fallacy. And, yes, Rocket has clearly demonstrated his proficiency in its use. Or, perhaps more accurately, his fondness of the technique.
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Seems to have a number of names, and (unsurprisingly I suppose) some like to fine tune the definition for variations on the same basic theme. All are based on attempting to force an answer to one question that carries with it one or more related aspects that have either not been clearly included or are in dispute themselves.
In any case it is considered a fallacious form of argument (and is objectionable in a court hearing) as well as generally considered at best lacking tact and at worst deceptive.
1.perhaps I'm wrong on the loaded question. Then I apologize for using the wrong term. I always thought it was called that. If so, I was wrong and my bad.
2. What tricks? Where am I deceiving anyone? I want people to admit that these practices are bad practices. That's all. Deep down you know they are bad practices. And the only way to punish these practices is to make the orgs earn less money. And the only way to do that is speak loud and clear on their wrongdoings and bring as much attention to them as possible. Petty? Maybe. I've found no better way so far. And I don't expect untrustworthy entities who lie in the first place, go against their own self interest and cater to customers and get rid of bad product.
3. If you say something is not a big deal, I consider it condoning. I try to bring attention to the cases of egregious misinformation. Hopefully it helps some. Even if it helps a single monger, then so be it. How many people in this thread said "it's a fucked up practice", aside from Gag? How many people in this thread outright condemned the org in question? How many people said that's not a trustworthy practice? Instead most people went at ME. How am I a hypocrite here?
I dont consider anyone who disagrees with me as condoning. You are free to disagree in many cases. Preferences are easily that instance. Im OK with fucking fat or older chicks, as long as service is great. You disagree, great. I'll happily fuck the chick you turn your nose up, if she's a dynamo in the bed. More for me.
If, however, you disagree that everyone should write a review about a meh experience on a toftt, to help other monger bros, on a website that specializes in reviews, then instantly there's a suspicion. The I dig deep and look at history of which side you're on. And funny enough, it all makes sense.
I have to ask here.
What does you not willing to see Megan after seeing her real pics have to do with the topic on hand? People have different standards, sure. Like we established earlier, some on here people think working kgirl rarely have butterfaces. To each his own.
But the topic is about something else entirely. Clearly I saw her pics. And clearly, I scheduled willingly. And there were no surprises.
The question was, what is the reason orgs can't put up real looking, honest pics? Is it because people like you will turn their nose up? So then they instead put up a pic of young model and mislead instead?
The key here is that with the first org, a monger could make a decision knowing what he was getting. You for example, would have not scheduled. In the second case, it was a pig in a poke.
I actually had decent experiences. Not the super best but enjoyable nonetheless with these two ladies.
And I believe many mongers already mentioned why they don't walk - they are afraid of being BLd.
Still, I'd like to hear an answer of why orgs can't at least show real body pics - this way, there are no surprises.
Orgs have been publishing fake pics since back before the internet.
There are some basic assumptions you seem to be making.
* We have any real influence to cause the orgs to change business practices that have been working just fine for 30 years or more.
* That those who actually fear they will be blacklisted for walking are justified in that belief.
I do not believe either of those assumptions to be correct. The only one of those we can influence, it seems to me, is helping the poor souls who go through with sessions when they see a girl that doesn’t meet their standards behind the door to grow a pair and walk.
Still, it is possible I have misunderstood your assumptions. It is also possible that, even with the assumptions I have described, you have come to a different conclusion than I have. If it’s the former, please clarify. If the latter, I will just agree to disagree.
I don't really think I made either of those assumptions. I simply asked why one org was able to advertise a true photo and the other one was not. I also asked what org would you consider more trustworthy in such situation. Both of them are aamps.
Now, to address your post.
Before the internet - as in, before 1970s? I mean, hell, there was segregation if you go back further enough, doesn't mean it was right. Don't really see what this has to do with anything. People have been lying, cheating, stealing and murdering and degrading women since they were created. That doesn't mean it's OK, does it? Just because people have been doing X before doesn't make it OK defacto, to me. Feel free to disagree.
The blacklist fear - you are subtly putting the blame of org knowingly misrepresenting their girl, on the shoulder of the customer. You're saying, that's how the game works, play your part. I'm saying, this puts the customer in a bad spot. Why is the customer has to even think of being bld when he was lied to? Why not just not lie in the first place? The corg had no issues putting up that pic,why didn't the korg?
So if the korg didn't put up a truthful pic because they knew not many would see this girl, do you think that's very customer friendly? Do you think it's an acceptable practice? Do you think the booker should've been steering customers away from this girl? Do you want to guess if he/she steered me away?
Do you realize that the whole point of my post is to show that such situation never happens with the first org? Those who don't want see such girl simply don't book with her. Because what they see is what they get. There is no need to even think of walking.
So, useyrhead,let me ask you directly, which org do you think is more trustworthy in this case for a regular monger ? I believe youre familiar enough with the korg in question. So I'm even more interested to hear your answer in this case.
How is it that you are addressing my points?
You are actually assuming that there is something we can do to motivate orgs to change the way they do business. The assumption is implicit in your argument. You are insisting that either:
1) if we change the way we write reviews that will somehow influence the orgs to do things differently
2) if we encourage people reading the forms enough somehow (I can’t tell from what you’re saying exactly what change you’re talking about here) that will actually change their mongering habits to exert a business influence on the orgs to change what they are doing
And you’ve directly claimed on numerous occasions that many/most mongers are afraid to walk because they think if they do they will be blacklisted. I think this is not a provable assumption.
I also think that anyone who is afraid of blacklisting for simply walking is usuallly mistaken. I simply have never had it happen to me or to any mongers I have known well enough to trust their word. But this assumption is not provable either.
If I’m entirely wrong, then what exactly is it that you think we can do that will genuinely influence the orgs? And why do you keep mentioning blacklisting fear as justification without any validation for that fear or its prevalence?
You are now, perhaps deliberately, perhaps accidentally, are moving my argument into a strange direction..
Again, my question is crystal clear. I answered your question about assumptions - I don't make these assumptions. About blacklist and mongers being afraid - I've been straight told by numerous mongers that they didn't want to walk in fear of bl. It's not an assumption, it's something I've been told directly and clearly. Multiple times I've seen on the forum and in pms and in private channels how a PO would get pissed and yell at them if they thought of walking. Whether or not they really get bld after walking is anyone's guess. The main takeaway here is that the fear is real. Again, I asked you why does it have to come to this and why lie? Some people on here tried telling me it's because of visa issues. Obviously, that's a crock of shit.
Now can we get back to my question. Id like you to focus on you answering it. If you can't directly answer it, I see no reason to continue further,because I want discussion on my topic, not on any goalposts moving exercises, sorry bud. This topic had nothing to do with reviews. Literally have not mentioned a review anywhere in this thread, not once. You now brought it up for no reason. This topic is about comparing and contrasting practices of two different orgs and asking which one is more trustworthy and whether the practice of one is acceptable, as well as what prevents one doing from what the other one did. And vice versa btw.
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I asked which org would you consider more trustworthy from this exercise, and why can't one org put up truthful pics like the other one did. Real, truthful pics of real human beings with blurred out face, not stolen photos or models bodies with 99% PSd faces. It's a simple question, really.
You know why I am eager to await answer from you in particular? It's amusing when someone who tells mongers to grow a pair, but can't bring himself to flat out condemn a practice, girl or an org publicly.
So, according to you, I can’t be telling the truth unless I’m condemning someone or something?
That’s a very convenient position to take so you can claim anyone who has been either more skilled or lucky or some combination of the two than some must be concealing something.
But this is a bit of a pointless argument. Nobody can produce anything other than anecdotal data to support their position on any of this. So, as always, not only is this pursuit YMMV, every experience is also highly subjective. Yours as well as mine.
Have fun.
I never said you can't be telling the truth unless you're condemning someone. What are you on?
The only thing I said it's ironic to watch you tell some on to grow a pair, when yourself can't bring yourself to as much as disapprove of org or a girl publicly.
Let me repeat the question
Which org would you consider more trustworthy from this exercise, and why can't one org put up truthful pics like the other one did? Real, truthful pics of real human beings with blurred out face, not stolen photos or models bodies with 99% PSd faces. It's a simple question, really.
I don't expect you to actually answer this question, and I never did. I see people who refuse to publicly criticize orgs and girls from five miles away. Their religion won't allow them to. You wanting others to grow balls to do something that is far more intimidating, especially for newbies, while you can't even bring yourself to criticize for something deserved of criticism, is highly ironic. That's all.
But that was back on other boards. It was me who started the classification of girls who played Dodge the Pickle. It was also me who got people started talking about DT in terms of inches rather than a binary classification. If you only saw her take 6 inches, you should state that she can DT at least 6 inches.
So, I hope you’ll forgive me for not caring one bit whether you think, based on a very small sampling, that I am covering up all those bad experiences that I used to have more frequently.
I will simply encourage you to enjoy both the good and the bad as much as you can while you can. When and if I run into a disappointing experience I’ll share it in whatever way I see fit. As I know you will do as well.
That's... fair. You do have a point. I would still prefer you'd answer my question about this particular instance. But thank you for a real response for once. I appreciate it.
Just because someone is "honest" about having a substandard product doesn't mean I am going to patronize them because of their honesty. At the most I will be appreciative for them saving me the aggravation of refusing to go through with the session, but aside from that I still won't ever do business with them.
Now let me ask YOU a question. Did you go through with both appointments, and if so don't you realize that YOU are part of the problem by rewarding not only the "trustworthy" agency, but the one that lied to you as well?
My solution is much simpler, If offered an inferior product I simply refuse to pay for it and I turn around at the door, NEVER to return again. I don't worry about them blacklisting me, I blacklist them first. See how easy that is, now if all mongers would simply stop putting up with this kind of thing, (wishful thinking, I know) the problem would go away in no time. But by going through with the session, even after being lied to, it's YOU that is helping to perpetuate this kind of bad behavior by the orgs, not me.
So in answer to your question, I would not do business with EITHER agency. See how easy that is.
For someone who is claiming I'm misreading posts, you completely missed my point not once, but TWICE
I dont consider these girls inferior quality as far as overall quality goes. I already said multiple times on here I dont care much about looks when I p4p.
You seemed to miss that as well.
Of course I went through with the appointments. I always go through with appointments because all I care about is service, and you don't get a sense of service until, you know, you are doing it. And in the first case, I knew EXACTLY what I was getting. I even said I was fine with what I got, but the surprise in the second appointment would not go well with many mongers, that I know.
I am not part of the problem here. Others who do consider the second girl inferior and want to walk, but dont walk, are part of the problem here. But you know what is even more part of the problem ? Lying in the first place. If there wasn't a lie, there wouldn't be dissatisfied mongers or wasted time.
Yet again, you keep saying don't see non-trustworthy orgs. All korgs lie about pics in my area. Id be willing to bet most if not all asian orgs in your area also do. Does this mean, by your logic, that you will cease to see them ? I've already asked for agencies you consider trustworthy in your area, and let's see if I find stolen pics that are misrepresentations and thus lies.
I posted this by mistake. I really don’t want to waste any more time on this discussion.
Instead, I suggest finding your favorite k-girl and screwing your mutual brains out with her. That’s my plan. Y’all enjoy whatever else yours may be.
I made my point multiple times in this thread.
The behavior of the lovelyangels org (Mias org) is disgusting in the second case. They knew many customers wouldn't like a big girl, so they went ahead and used completely fake pics. They took advantage of likely newbies and non-vips.
The first org speclaizes in milfs and gilfs, so for them it's no biggie to showcase the girl as is. They've had worse looking girls.
So in conclusion, orgs don't really care about clients, they just wanna make money. And when they get a product thought of as inferior by many, they will try to mislead all but the most vip clients. Because why would you mislead clients who cosign your rent leases? That'd be bad. Everyone else is fair game.
This is it. This is my answer to the question I posed. It wasn't a loaded question, despite what Jensen would want you to believe. Just a little discourse of how a girl of certain type gets advertised by an org who is known as a good quality org. And perhaps a small rant on how most orgs pics girls bodies are PSd. Sag was saying how Kira and Yunas pics are on point but Kiras body, for example, looks nothing like her pics.
And Lisa's body in this example was 40 pounds off of what was advertised.
You must have issues with the vast majority of pictures of models and actresses then, too. Since they are all photoshopped. Have you ever met any of them in real life?
I’ve met actors, actresses and models in real life. As soon as you see them you realize just how prevalent and overused photoshopping is. Everybody does it. But you expect the k-orgs to set an example for the rest of the world? Or maybe you think the orgs should hire better photo editors so the pictures would be the same quality as what you’re used to seeing published in magazines and online?
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...just looking at their photos, you're not shelling out money to fuck them. Any provider's photos should be as close as possible to what they actually look like. Provider pics vs. actress/model pics = apples vs. oranges. Bad comparison.
I have not paid a single dollar to an artist or an actress. Or a model.
Listen, photoshopping is prevalent,yes. But photoshopping where another person's body is used or altogether stolen/fake pics are used, is completely different.
The LovelyAngels (Sexyangels sister org) girl in this post used a photo that had nothing to do with the girl they were peddling, at all. Her body was off by 40 pounds, both from pics and measurements.
Her face was off. Her age was off.
There is zero excuse for using someone's else's body in ads. Face, yeah I can se it - you can blur the face.
BTW why did lovelyangels blur the face of the model girl - to make it seem like she's a real girl,right?
Wait. Really?
You’ve never bought a single product that uses a photoshopped model in its advertising? What products do you actually purchase then?
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I can touch and feel a product in a store, or if I'm buying it online, I can see it photographed without photoshop.
In rare instances Id buy clothes online, that's what I'd do. I'm an old school dude, I don't buy too much shit online when I care about how it looks (which isn't that often, admittedly)
In-store, I can touch and see a product without any photoshop. If it's produce, I can TASTE it before buying even.
Care to know how I can touch and feel or taste a working girl without paying for her ?
You keep trying to out me as using bad rhetoric tactics, yet here you are using a textbook example of false equivalency.
There is no way to see a truthful pic of a working girl without going there and opening the door. There is no such pig in a poke anywhere else.
Is it really a false equivalency?
There are an awful lot of produce stores that won’t allow you to taste before you buy. Especially during covid. In store with clothes on sale there is frequently no way to try the clothes on or return them.
So, I get it, I think. You only shop where you can taste, try on and return. So, you just have to spend more money that will be given to people that, as you claim, are “liars” because they use heavily photoshopped pictures.
And that’s where I’m struggling with the sense of your position. But you seem to be clarifying that, if you can see, touch, taste or smell the “product” first, photoshopping lies are OK. The trouble is, using that reasoning, if you can see the girl who opens the door and walk then you would have no problem doing business with the liars.
Perhaps this is why it is so important for you to hold onto the idea that mongers aren’t allowed to walk without being blacklisted?
Yes, false equivalency. And Just to note- I was NOT the one who started this comparison, because some poster will inevitably come in and accuse ME of objectifying women or being a slave owner or some other horseshit.
We have FDA and consumer laws that protect us (customers) from being lied to.
False advertising lawsuits do happen often and are being litigated
Disclaimers are printed on many images and tv ads
Do we have a single 'not real pics' disclaimer by the orgs ?
If I order a steak and get a big mac, I have grounds to complain, not pay for my food, and post publicly on a public forum about deceptive tactics, naming the restaurant as well as the product, without being threatened by the restaurant, don't you think ? In fact, it should be the fucking restaurant that should be scrambling for their pr stooges. Customer is always right.
In fact, many reviews on amazon that bomb misleading products usually start that the product looks nothing like the pics.
In the case of Lisa, the pics werent simply photoshopped- they were pictures of another woman whom the woman on hand had nothing in common with.
That's my real problem. Completely deceptive pictures. Yes, people make pro pics that get touched up all the time. This isnt a big issue to me. When the body is of a different woman, then I think there's an issue that fucks over other mongers. When the face is completely different, then it's a big issue for other mongers. When the pics are stolen from some model, then we have an issue.
If you think I don't consume anything that doesnt look exactly like it does in ads, that would be silly. Pro pics can make tap water and instant ramen look like a king's feast.
"or if I'm buying it online, I can see it photographed without photoshop. "
In some cases but not in every case AND until you order and receive the good you don't know. Hell, you don't even need to shop online for that. Just go to nearly any carry Chinese restaurant -- or even McDs, BK, Taco Bell, Baja Fresh...you get the idea -- and compare the food you receive to the picture on the menu.
Like I've already mentioned, if I order steak and get a big mac, I can sue and leave without paying, instigating a scandal and I will be right. Oh and I will be able to post whatever review I want without being harrassed by the restaurant's employees
Doesn't really work with p4p industry, does it ?
Ideally, if orgs insist on continuing shamelessly lying, at least the following should be an org-wise practice:
1. ability to walk at any time a monger wants, any times in a row, as long as the ad is misrepresentative in some way
2. ability to get a discount on the next appointment if #1 happens
3. #1 or #2 should happen without any pushback from POs
4. ability to post whatever the fuck you want publicly without threats of BL for negative reviews
Doesn't that make YOU part of the problem?
Personally I never would have booked Megan in the first place and if I had booked a session with Lisa and someone like you described had answered the door I would be my own fault if I rewarded the deception by going through with the session.
I think I have asked you this before and I have never gotten a real answer. "Don't you concede that you are part of the problem by "rewarding bad behavior" and going through with a session even when lied to in this manner?"
Oh my god
I already answered you, I have no problems with how Megan or Lisa looks
Other mongers have problems with it
To know how they're service-wise, I actually have to fuck them.
Why wouldn't I go through the session if I personally have no issue with how they look ?
You seemingly dont understand that I dont go to kgirls for looks.
However, FELLOW MONGERS are the ones who are getting fucked. Because most mongers like you, care about looks.
Why am I part of the problem here ?
YOUR issue was the dishonesty of the agency that Lisa worked for, You were completely lied to about her appearance yet you went through with the session anyhow all the while LECTURING to us about standing up to the orgs.
Do you have any idea what a hypocrite that makes you?
Yes, I do care about looks, but I am not the one getting lied to. YOU are the one whining about it, not just in this thread but EVERY FUCKING DAY you whine about this issue.
To make me a hypocrite, I would have to
1) want to walk out in this case OR
2) advocate boycotting orgs that lie
I'm doing neither. I don't walk from sessions after seeing the goods, because I care about service. That grandma I was talking about had the face of Rumpelstiltskin. If I had walked, I'd never experience her service. Doubt anyone else here would wanna fuck her.
I don't advocate boycotting orgs, because, like I've mentioned before, everyone lies. What I advocate is people posting it publicly without any fear of repercussions. And I advocate for anyone, even newbies, being able to walk as many times as they WANT, without threats of being BLd or even as much as yelled at by PO
So, no, how does it make me a hypocrite ? I wanted service, I got decent service. I did not appreciate the lying, so I made a public PSA and wrote a review. Back then.
"You doubt anyone else here would want to fuck," but then you saw her anyway, but said the org lied about her photos. BUT YOU SAW HER ANYWAY. How does this help a Newbie? It just makes you look duplicitous. How does that help a Newbie to know what to do. As Jensen once mentioned, there are guys that don't like to share their hidden treasures, even though, not to do so, is a disservice to the girl. How does a Newbie reconcile your statement that they are lying, but that you saw her anyway? There must have been some redeeming value, or you would have walked. This is the type of post more likely to confuse Newbies than to help them.
I'm surprised there aren't Newbie's posting to you, "Don't try to help me."
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It helps a newbie because I can explicitly say "she's a fugly grandma, but if you love a great rim for half an hour straight and a fuck that is great, and can stomach her looks, you will get great service".
That wasn't too hard was it ? Now, I'm talking about a granny from org that didn't lie.
The org that did lie, I can say the same thing. The org did lie, the girl is more of a linebacker with broad shoulders and is 45+. If you're into lookers or women in 30s and below, don't even bother. However, she had a pretty tight vagina, especially for her size and age, and was very accommodating, showering me with compliments.
That wasn't too hard was it ? The newbie knows that pics are fake garbage, knows her real age, knows her real body type.
The newbie does not have to pay for access or even sift through reviews.
Now, if your ratio of forum contributions was at least 20 parts the above type of content vs 1 part one of your sometimes difficult to decipher walls of rant, I’d be willing to bet very few of us on here would be arguing with you as much as we do.
Don't lie, you like to argue (as do we all) because you have nothing better to do 😂
Where are your forum contributions like these?
Aside from pickle dodgers,of course.
Where are jensen's contributions like these?
You don't get to ask for specific contributions when you don't produce such contributions yourself.
I've never seen Jensen ever publicly say something negative about a kgirl before. But I've seen him advising to not post a review on an average session, on a toftt. On this very review site, whose sole purpose is to provide info to others.
I've seen you say you don't want to write non-positive reviews, because something like "I don't need negativity in my life". I almost fell out from my chair. You are on a review site, not a fucking motivational speaker presentation.
What conclusions should I make? What are people refusing to write real info and advising others to keep their mouths shut about the most important part, are trying to accomplish? Who are they protecting? Who are they NOT protecting?
Newsflash, if people wrote such contributions on here without hesitation, and "as is", would I even even start going off? Think about that. I mean sure I would complain about reviews and fake ads, but I'd never question your or Jensen or cdls motives.
Your definition of “like these” is going to be different from mine. And clarifying it is not worth all the arguing, misreading and poor logic you’ve brought to every other argument so far.
But let’s go back to a brief lesson in analytical reading. Please find where I actually asked for anything. I’ll readily apologize if I actually presumed to ask you for anything.
You are clearly very sensitive to anything that even smells like correction. Yet you dish it out readily and often. Along with many side helpings of sarcasm and innuendo which you very rarely, if ever, get from me. It’s as if you love ad hominem attacks so much that, even when you force yourself to directly avoid them, you can’t resist the “soft porn” version of one. You might consider working on it. But do as you wish.
All that said, you are far from the only one here who loves a good ad hominem attack. But, except for a few trolls (a group to which I believe you claimed to not belong), people on here generally wait until someone attacks them first before trotting them out.
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You didn't ask for anything, you are correct. I have no issues in admitting it.
You said if your contributions were like these ones... so yes, I did not like this so.I asked where are yours.
Ad hominem attack? I did not call you any names. I merely remembered what you said. I use your own words here. I still believe it or not, having a civil discussion with you. I respect your point of view, even if I vehemently disagree with it. I have no issues with you beyond your position on reviews and public posting of information.
You really hate reading, don’t you? A little reading and a little thought and you could answer a lot of the questions and issues you bring up. Even the superficial reading that allowed you to come up with your idea of my position on reviews. You expect others to extrapolate a bit and read between the lines so that they will understand you. But, so far, we haven’t seen any of that from you other than to come up with things like the ridiculous idea that there are a bunch of “VIP mongers” (a term for which you have a humorously off the mark definition) here who can’t possibly be regular mongers or they’d agree with you.
This whole position you continually take that, if people actually understood, they would agree with you, is a bit naive. Don’t get into a tizzy over that. I’m saying the idea is naive. I’m not saying you are.
But it has become obvious that you have no interest in understanding anyone. You just want to rant. So, go for it.
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I love reading. I've learned how to read when I was three years old.
I didn't come up with your position on reviews - you yourself brought it up. I just read it and took note. Or better yet, I stored it somewhere.
"I quit posting negative reviews long ago because of their simple lack of utility. IMO, they are a waste of time and a pointless exercise in negativity that I just don’t need in my life"
Are these not your words? We are, by the way, on a fucking review board. Go ahead and post anywhere on reddit, quora, Google, anywhere and ask whether or not negative reviews have lack of utility on review sites. Then let met know the answers you get back.
There are plenty of regular mongers who disagree with me. GaG is one such monger. Twoon is another one. I don't hold the whole "if you aren't with me, you are against me" mantra. I don't have much of an issue with anyone simply disagreeing with me. It's never about agreeing with me. You don't have to agree with me.
However, patterns speak loud. When a person keeps always blaming one side and refuses to acknowledge the fault of another side, and also refuses to acknowledge he's pro-[that side], it is telling. It isn't about agreeing. It's about to be pretending to be objective, yet being extremely biased towards one side for whatever reason.
Shit, as much as I am pro monger, even I will admit a few mongers behave like scum with the girls and I wish they never see another kgirl again in their life.
1) You have seen me RESPONDING to a question from a guy that was unsure what to do. My response was that I would probably not write the review and depending on just what I though the problem was I might go back (IIRC she was good looking and the issue was more about chemistry/connection than services offered) and see if that was better. He was asking because he was unsure if part of the problem was him.
I did not tell him "advise" him to do anything.
2) The "sole purpose" of TER is NOT reviews. It doesn't have a "sole purpose". It is serving the needs of multiple aspects of this activity. Case in point, if TER was pure 100% monger, all day all night there would be NO provider only board. Nor would as many mongers voice their view that it is GOOD to have the providers contributing and talking on the boards. And they are not just saying that because the girls are making their availability known or stroking guys egos. There would also not be Agency Only board.
Perhaps TER originally started as a pure review board without any interest in input from any on the supply side but it clearly has grown into something more. I think if you want to live in your "monger-team-against-the-providers-and-agencies world" you should choose a different site.
Lol at these falsehoods
When you say "if I were you I'd do x", this is called an advise, Jensen.
A guy asks, which stock I should invest into. Another says "if I were you, I'd invest in enron"
That's called an advise. Imagine the guy later saying I didn't advise anything about enron, I said what I'd do. He would get laughed at.
TER literally stands for the erotic REVIEW. Literally. Without reviews, this site is dead. People go here to check reviews of providers. The first two things ter mentions in its tag line is escort reviews and sites reviews.
Here's the gist:
One of you (you) have advised to not write a review about a substandard session of a toftt
Also claims to never have had a substandard session himself. Also told me to eat shit and die.
Another one of you claims to have walked before, so he did have shitty sessions, but conveniently doesn't remember names. Even though psychologically most people remember big losses more than big wins. Ask poker players.
Also admtttedly had connections to org people who veirifed mongers stories
Also has claimed that he doesn't write non-positive reviews because he "doesn't need negativity in his life"
Another one of ya'll brags how he has 95% success rate, yet when he is caught talking about a current substandard experience, he refuses to PUBLiCLY name the girl like his life depended on it. Always prefers to privately send information than post it publicly for others.
These are the guys trying to say my contributions are bad?
Sure, whatever you say. I wouldn't expect anything else. In fact, it's expected that these guys with that mind of mindset don't like what I say. Good.
It's telling how badly you want me off this site,Jensen. I ain't going anywhere though. And though you wanted to attack my credibility, I do see girls and I can talk about them. I do see agencies, and I can talk about them. I do see white knights and cowards who can't say shit publicly, and I laugh at em
Am I breaking too many illusions? Good. If I am telling you what you already know, maybe then don't say anything and other people can read about misleading practices?
Maybe it's you who needs to find another site where you pretend like providers shit don't stink?
off of this site. Every board needs a fool. Unfortunately, you are slowly becoming ours. You're getting a cred problem, because you keep sounding off about exposing misleading ads about girls and orgs, but other than the ONE org that was already known to be discredited that you proudly "exposed" several months ago, and the two MILF's you described in detail recently, but only one had misleading photos, I'm having a hard time seeing where you are putting all of this "info" you claim to have uncovered about orgs and girls. There was no review of Megan OR Lisa, but you mentioned them here, so this begs the question, where are you putting this info so that you help the Newbies you claim to champion, or is what we have seen the limit of your help so far?
So we REALLY don't want you off of this site, we just want you to start delivering on your promises. You claimed to be an expert at exposing dishonest orgs, but if the best you can do is one every four or five months that everyone already knows about, where is the informational value in your posts? Instead of delivering results, you just keep making more promises about what you will do, and what you will say in various scenarios. Okay, when? When you are here a year? Two years? I'm just asking when are you going to deliver on your claims of help for Newbies. Giving examples of HOW you will do it and little comfort to the guys YOU claim are getting fucked. Are you going to keep dangling the carrot, or are you going to deliver some useful info. If you don't have any, then maybe fewer arguments would be a welcome respite until you have something substantive.
You break not illusions for me. You've also provided no particularly useful information for me ether. Nor, when it comes down to actual solutions have you suggested anything that I or others here have not already suggested, including directly to YOU.
The "advice" you insist I was given was NOT about writing a subpar review but about writing an accurate review. The OP indicated they were not sure how to write their review and not at all displaying any confidence their experience was due to the provider or them self. But sure, when in doubt put all the blame on the provider. You're like the idiot that sued, Sears/Craftsman I think, because he chopped his fingers up when he attempted to use the lawnmower as a hedge trimmer.
Now, while I'm not saying the OP was in that class -- clear the OP was not -- he was raising the question about his ability to accurately assess the session. So, I said what I would consider doing. Not reviewing and possibly seeing her again (me mentioned some positives) and then he would KNOW if it was her or not. Then an honest review could be written that would actually be useful for others. You approach of just writing the review with all the questions doesn't help anyone.
No, I'm quite happy here and open to seeing this as an "industry" convention type of environment, which it clearly is for the reasons I mentioned. If that is a problem for you perhaps you're in the wrong place.
Yes, sure -and your view is to place all blame on the "idiot mongers". Which youve demonstrated multiple times. Instead of sympathizing with mongers who got hustled, you laugh at them. Surely I didn't expect you to have sympathy for mongers who get swindled by fake pics.
You slap them on the shoulder with a hearty laugh and say you'll learn rookie. Just don't write a bad review on toftt girl. No, we can't have that. Poor fucking girl. Nah it's your fault for giving her money and then not being a jester for her while she can do whatever the fuck she wants.
That's one of the first things I've noticed here. You and cdl always placing the blame on the monger. If he had a bad session that's a mongers fault. What a proposterous crock of shit.
"you must not have game to entertain a girl you're paying for so it's on you on having a bad session"
The funniest shit I've read on here.
Yes, this is the industry discussion board. I am discussing kgirls. I am discussing agencies. I am discussing false practices. You want me off here - too bad. I admit and never hid I am always pro monger and am biased. You want to come off as objective but in fact you always blame mongers for bad experiences. I advise you to wear your cape in public.
Wow. And now a persecution complex, too? Since when does criticism - even including statements saying that, if you don’t like it, look elsewhere - equate to wanting someone to leave?
Speaking for myself, I think you’re just fine here. Though I really wish you’d think a good bit more before you post and see if you are really adding value. Or, failing that, try to stop posting the same message over and over while patting yourself on the back for doing so. A simple clear message in every post would be a great goal.
Take a breath dude. This is just a monger board. If you really want to get your message out, create your own content and then just provide links to it here. The constant walls of text from you are fatiguing and actually a detriment to other mongers trying to see what’s going on.
Jensen has mentioned it before that I should change my behavior or leave. Do you want the exact quote?
I will post whatever I want here as long as it is within the rules
I'm discussing
Kgirls
Kgirl agencies
Kgirl agencies misleading practices, including fake pics, fake measurements, and fake reviews.
You can, if you disagree with what I post, do the following:
Ignore these topics
Dispute these topics
Try to get me to not post these topics
Ignore my posts
It's your choice.
I rarely post offtopic shit. I post on topic stuff about specific orgs and specific shills and specific girls. One problem with TER is that they don't like minis. So sometimes posts about specific girls do not get approved.
I read all the comments. I think you’re overreacting. It’s looking like you’re trying to make yourself a martyr for your cause.
I get that you feel frustrated that pretty much only one person on the forum is enthusiastically supporting you. But that doesn’t mean we hate you and want you gone.
"For me, other can decide for themselves, rocket is a net negative on this board and I really wish he would leave -- or change his behavior."
"I really wish he would leave"
I
Really
Wish
He
Would
Leave
Are you going to say I'm misunderstanding something again? I'm pretty sure it's written in English.
" that doesn't mean we want you gone"
Yeah, it does. That's literally what it says. And what does it say about you when you said you read "all the comments"?
jensen said: "rocket is a net negative on this board and I really wish he would leave -- or change his behavior."
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/re-sorry-i-would-love-to-play-your-little-game-20654?frmSearch=1#20654
You see, that's how the Thought Police operate in a totalitarian state like the K-girl board. If you don't say only positive things about K-girls and the orgs, they "wish" you would leave. You're just lucky they can't wish you into the cornfield like Anthony did (that's for TZ fan Twoon).
Or you could "change your behavior." IOW don't say anything negative about K-girls or the orgs. Toe the party line. Too bad this totalitarian state isn't North Korea; then jensen could "change your behavior" by sending you to a re-education camp.
And I find it hilarious that jensen decries your "ad hominem" attacks (I haven't read any), yet he never chastises CDL for HIS ad hominem attacks against you (never mind me).
CDL called you "a fool:"
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/nobody-wants-to-see-you-----20840?frmSearch=1#20840
CDL said you have "millennial hubris:"
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/this-is-typical-millennial-hubris----18368?frmSearch=1#18368
CDL said:
"You have successfully made the transition from naivete to ignorance."
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/you-have-successfully-made-----18688?frmSearch=1#18688
"Ad hominem attacks" . . . . These were justified responses to some of the stupid shit he has posted. I thought someone that's a professional troublemaker like you would know the difference. Apparently, you are dumber than previously thought.
Yes, I’ve had teenage kids who do speak English as a native language interpret statements such as that one the same way you did. But I’ve found it unusual in adults.
Still, you’re free to feel that way if it helps you feel better about yourself. I completely disagree with that interpretation. But you’re not my kid. So misinterpret it as your ego requires.
...his first language? English is not MY first language; I didn't learn to speak English until I was 5 but I seem to be doing well, TYVM. I'm sure there are many K-mongers who are not native English speakers and some are more fluent in English than others.
If I was the one who asked that question, I'd be called a racist. Why don't you take a long look in the mirror.
Are you really going to say that "I really wish he would leave" is somehow misinterpreted by me ? And is not the same as someone wanting me gone?
And then proceed to insult me about my English skills?
I really thought a lot better of you. You really chose to lie right in my face. Pathetic.
I think you've managed to create a brand new class of logical error. I will leave you with your blend of ad hominen and straw man and simply label it as the ad straw man attack.
Well done!
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"But sure, when in doubt put all the blame on the provider. You're like the idiot that sued, Sears/Craftsman I think, because he chopped his fingers up when he attempted to use the lawnmower as a hedge trimmer."
Your words, not mine.
Here, let me rephrase this then
"But sure, when in doubt put all the blame on the customer." Because that's all you've done from every post I've seen from you on the forum. In general forum, I saw you laugh at a guy who got hustled. In here, I've watched you attack my credibility for having subpar experiences.
Most mongers don't see a girl again after a subpar session. Considering that it was a toftt of a new girl, delaying his review would mean more people potentially getting a subpar product. But I bet this is something that never crossed your mind. Your words were something like see her two more times, and IF YOU LIKE WRITING REVIEWS, write a review.
Not write a review or do a psa ASAP,so others are steered clear asap. But if he likes doing fucking reviews.
I can't even.
And if he doesn't like writing reviews, then what? Just say fuck it, don't write anything and don't say her name? Am I right? Let a subpar product be out there? You claim you don't even know what a subpar product is, how do you even have the nerve to give this advice?
It’s interesting that you seem to deliberately avoid being able to understand reasons to not write a review. I’ll leave the exercise of figuring them all out to the student. But here’s one I have experienced myself.
Some people, for various reasons, find one or a few or several girls to rotate with. I’m sure you already know that.
But there are consequences to this approach. One is that you are compromising your privacy if you let people know who is on your rotation. I’ve personally had 3 separate occasions over the years where people decided to stalk me through my regulars.
- one highly disreputable org that is deservedly out of business took offense because I wrote a favorable review of a girl that had left their org and gone independent. They staked out her parking lot and outed 3 different mongers by publishing their pictures while they were looking for me.
- two other mongers over the years visited girls that were in my rotation claiming they knew me (just using information from my reviews) and that I told them I received “extra” services and insisted they should get them too. One of them damn near (not quite as she was able to fight him off) raped the girl trying to get Greek.
When I said I don’t need that kind of negativity in my life, that was what I was talking about. But you, of course read it in the light that would best support your still unverified hypotheses. It would be really nice if you’d extend the same courtesy you expect from us to others. So far I haven’t seen you do that. And from reading others’ comments I’m definitely not the only one who perceives that from you.
History has taught me that nothing I say - or anyone else, for that matter - will make you change your behavior or your attitude one bit. So, do with this whatever you wish.
So let me get this straight.
Your first point. You're saying don't write reviews if some clowns decide to stalk you?
This makes no sense. If you repeat, you don't need many reviews. If the said asswipes know your rotation, it isn't through reviews. The question on hand was about a toftt review.
I've never heard about an org pursuing a positive review and outing mongers. As much as I like talking shit about orgs, this one is so ridiculous I can't even believe it. They OUTED mongers? If I was a monger being outed I'd just go to the cops then. Holy shit dude. It also doesn't help orgs' case.
Can you agree that the situation you described is so extreme it hardly applies in the general case?
Your second point - if you said the girl does Greek in your review but she is ymmv, wait for it, wait for it... that would be a mongers fault and it doesn't matter me if it's me or you. Greek is off limits. If you didn't and some clowns used your nickname, then what of it? Not write reviews because of scum mongers using the info in your review? They will then use someone else's info from someone else's review.
When you initially talked about negativity in your life, you explicitly mentioned negative reviews. Now you're talking about reviews in general. I don't get it. You do have two recent reviews. You weren't scared of some dudes staking you out in parking lot of KGA or LSC? And BTW a free advice - park far away. Always have, always will. You weren't afraid of someone running up deep in Yuna's guts?
I'm glad you actually told me these stories. I really am. I will assume you're telling the truth. One of them seems an extreme edge case, and the other something that can happen to literally any review.
Still, that is a good start. While they don't seem like things that can prevent writing reviews for me, I will admit that perhaps for you or someone else, they might be decent reasons to not write reviews. I don't agree,but I as usual, I respect your viewpoint. Maybe you can do the same with mine.
This is really tiring.
Your PTSD - or maybe something else, who knows? - seems to prevent you from being able to understand anything out of line with your belief set even when it is in front of you and laid out in clear language. Though given where you come from this is pretty understandable.
Take your time. I’ll do my best to just give you space until you’ve cleared your head of all that crap you used to have to deal with on the other site.
PTSD?
First you insult me about my English skills, then you say some shit about ptsd?
I replied clearly to your post. With all this said, you still didn't name this now defunct org that supposedly staked you out.
But just like your post about me not understanding the phrase "I wish he would leave" and arguing that it does not mean "we want you gone", you're simply trolling me now. I have no other explanation here.
It is sad you can't have normal conversation and it's sad when you cant admit that what Jensen said is exactly the opposite of what you claimed. Pathetic.
Interesting.
I completely understand. You’ve been through a long, drawn out traumatic experience. Of course it has compromised your cognitive abilities. That is the only rational reason you (someone who repeatedly reminds us you are a smart tech guy) would fall prey to repeating fallacy after fallacy and claiming they have led you to truth. And it would also prevent you from being able to comprehend that anyone could possibly see what you have come to believe as absolute truth as anything but what you claim it to be. To the point that you selectively read the comments of others with your own pre coded confirmation bias. All facts lead to your One Truth.
Well, as you stated, the other explanation is that you are just a troll and this whole monger religion of yours is just a ruse that you use to troll monger boards. But I’m sure a monger advocate like you would never do that, right?
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You really are running with this whole PTSD trolling nonsense and being facetious. Lol. Whatever works for you.
Let's get this settled now.
Hey Jensen, when you said about me "I really wished he would leave", did you mean that you want me gone from this board? Or was it something else? And no, I won't be changing any of my behavior here.
What would work for me is if you actually stopped pretending to be something you aren’t and using fallacy after fallacy to establish your claims.
But I’m not going to get that. So, I figured teasing you when you screw up is fair play.
And, please, don’t try to pretend you didn’t get caught red handed with using fallacies to justify your position on multiple occasions. To sell that claim you’d actually have to pretend you don’t have an education that covered logic. And that would handicap you severely if you work in tech as you claim.
Oh? Who am I pretending to be that I'm not? Do tell.
It is you who got caught red-handed telling lies here about people not wanting me here, when Jensen literally said as much. And when confronted, you started deflecting to kids and ptsd. I don't know which fallacy I got caught red-handed engaging in. Do tell as well. Every time you or Jensen brought up a good point, I conceded. I did say that my vip monger definition is probably incomplete, and that in your case I can see how you might not want to write reviews,assuming you told the truth.
I don't really see what me being in tech has to do with anything. I got a good education in a world class institution, yes. Perhaps was a bit disillusioned throughout most of the process, but again, has nothing to do with the topic on hand.
So let's ask Jensen again. Jensen, do you want me here or not, provided I do not stop my behavior ? If not - then useyrhead is mistaken in his comments. If yes and you just said "I really wish he would leave" and meant something else entirely , I'll be happy to admit I missed something.
If, useyrhead, you are going to make a deflection that there's a distinction between "hating me and wanting me out" and "wanting me out because of my behavior", then I'll laugh at you again. I don't know any of you in real life, and I don't want to know you in real life. The only way you know me here is through my posts and behavior on this board. You can't inherently hate me, and I can't hate you. All I see is posts, and I make judgements off that. And so do you.
Even though you attempt to deny it, everyone else has read it and only one person is sticking up for you.
Perhaps your one ally that has actually gone public will come to your defense here with something more valid than what you’ve come up with.
We’ll all wait with bated breath. But my job here is done. You’ve painted yourself into a logical corner. It’s going to be interesting to see where you go from here.
Whatever you decide to do moving forward, all the best to you.
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I normally defend Rocket, but can't say much here as even in "Flat" mode the formatting of these long threads sucks donkey ass.
Lol, the format does suck dick for these. I have to use flat, and then switch to tree to make sure I reply to the right thing.
You don't have to defend me, it's all good. I appreciate and cherish those who share my viewpoints, but contrary to what some might think - I respect the opinions of the opposing side as well.
Instead of defending me, go get some tasty kgirl pussay if you still can haha. Might be last call right now. Far more practical and enjoyable than reading through our debates. Though I must say, from the comments I hear, this back and forth is childs play compared to the other debates going on.
Cheers
you come off as I have not problem with you. If you can accept that most here, and certainly me, approach things differently than you AND that does not mean we are aligned against other mongers or in the pocket of agencies. If you can stop demanding (and yes you do by virtue of ALWAY arguing back if someone has not just agreed with you) that we all acknowledge and support YOUR cause I think you will find most here, including me, more than welcoming to you and fully accepting of your pain points -- we don't accept them as OUR pain points though.
If that type of validation is what you need then I think you are unlikely to find it here, on that basis you might be happier elsewhere.
So yes, when you are acting like some annoying little dick, I want you gone. If you can start accepting that others will have different opinions about how to deal with the various imperfections of this world and that does not mean you are wrong or right discussion will be much better -- and probably more beneficial to everyone. But I have yet to see you really accept that -- it is always having the last word to show you are right and are not backing down or accepting any other possibility.
Completely accurate assessment, I think.
Now watch how he turns that into validation. It’s gotten pretty funny watching the gyrations he goes through.
OK thanks for your answer. Jensen confirmed that indeed, he meant thst he wants me gone,in his statement, if I'm unable to change how I approach things. I rest my case, useyrhead.
And I do appreciate your post, Jensen. But - as I already mentioned, I will continue to point out specific bad practices, and post real things about girls that people see on here and elsewhere. I never said you have to agree with me. But I will respond back when you blame mongers for issues or when you try to use my experiences as basis of anything.
This particular thread asked very simple questions and showed how some Asian orgs can and do advertise truthful body types. It wasn't just me who turned it into giant back and forth. You could've simply agreed that it isn't a a good practice, and then say you don't consider it bad enough in your viewpoint. I can respect that. Instead, ya'll chose to argue and argue with me how we can change something and made me the focal point of argument. This thread wasn't about making a change, and this thread wasn't about me. I have other threads for that. I'm not seeking validation or acceptance - if I were, wouldn't you expect me to stop when I did not get any from you?
No this thread was about a particular org practice. I will be making threads about all kinds of different shady practices. You don't have to comment on them BTW.
LOL
Great reading comprehension! Again.
You: "But that doesn’t mean we... want you gone."
Jensen: "when you are acting like some annoying little dick, I want you gone".... "I really would wish you would leave"
My reading comprehension is just fine. You are contradicting what Jensen said, right to my face, laughing at me.
You are just trolling me on purpose now,egging me on. It's quite clear.
If you think I ever need some "allies", you are mistaken. Never needed or wanted a single "ally" or any validation from anyone.
You, just like many others, are now using argumentum ad populum fallacy. So predictable and boring. You have a good day, bud.
By saying you will not change you were saying that you refuse to do the following:
“If you can start accepting that others will have different opinions about how to deal with the various imperfections of this world and that does not mean you are wrong or right”
Something everyone on here already knew. But just the opposite of who you claim to be and what you claim to be doing.
So, in other words, your response means that you are admitting to be a troll.
Now, if you had actually read the entire response rather than rushing to reply as soon as you read the headline, you could have avoided contradicting yourself so badly.
But, if you’d done that I have to admit the entertainment value would have been less.
Have fun!
You are now completely trolling me.
You blatantly lied when saying no one said they don't want me here, whereas Jensen clearly and loudly said this. You said I have ptsd, facetiously called me a prophet, accused me of being ESL and compared me to some kids. As well as employed ad populum rhetoric taunting me about allies and that no one supports me.
So now instead addressing the false statement you made, you are attacking me and creating new logical fallacies, claiming it is I creating them.
Are you having enough fun attacking me? I was thinking yesterday, after reading your post, and conceding your review point, that maybe I had a wrong first impression of you. You seem to be trying to go for the kill here and your true nature seems to be showing up.
I will not change my behavior, because I simply don't see anything wrong with what I say. I never claimed and will never claim that my viewpoint is the sole vision of the truth, but it is quite simple - when I see someone blame mongers for no reason, or, conversely,protect girls or providers for no reason, I will call them out. Whenever I see a misleading advertising practice by an org, I will call it out. Whenever I see subpar product peddled by the org - I will call it out. Whenever I see fake reviews by the org - I will call them out. I will consider it a big deal, and it's up to others to agree or disagree.
Ad populum? Well, at least you did a little reading to look that up. Good work. But you misused it. I didn’t say you were wrong because other people argued with you. I said you won’t listen or ever admit someone else may be right, too. Because, the reality is, there frequently is more than one right answer.
This is a humorously odd response coming from a guy who uses the bandwagon fallacy to support your arguments. You keep talking about people who have told you that this blacklisting thing is a big problem. So, you claim the fact that you’ve allegedly heard the complaint a few times or many proves that it is a major problem. Just believing or asserting that you have heard something a lot doesn’t make your hypothesis valid.
Still, I don’t want to discourage you from improving your reading skills. Keep working on it.
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If you were actually reading my posts, I admitted to you having a point about review writing just last night. Were you too busy trying to pick holes in my posts to notice it?
I admit and concede many things. The fact that you can't see it, is bothersome.
You were the first one to use what you claim to be bandwagon fallacy, when you claimed that in all your years of mongering no one ever told you about BL threats. I believe, you concluded from this, that BL threats don't exist or are at least very rare. I then simply said that after asking abou it, people told me otherwise. How you blame me for using my monger connections, yet think that your connections are Teflon, is beyond me. I did not say it's a big problem, I said it happens a lot. You have word of your people I have the words of my people. But only I am using a bandwagon fallacy, I see. Lol. If you ask me, neither of us is using bandwagon fallacies, we are simply using our experience and trustworthy people to make our points. None of this is set in stone. Men lie, women lie, statistics lie. Like you say, and I actually agree - neither your connections or my connections are ever to be fully trusted.
Yes, you used the "you're not in majority haha" line on me many times,enjoying the fact that no one sticks up for me here and taunting me. Laugh some more at me. Enjoy that no one supports my view. Get people to show fingers at me. I'm not going to stop calling out bs practices,even if I get into big papa territory of hatred on here.
Have a great night, my man. I like my fellow mongers, and wish them all the best.
Keep digging deeper and getting more and more agitated. You're fitting the model of all the people that are not thought well of and end up being alienated from these boards who then turn into the trolls and targets of ridicule for amusement. But, I know, that is really OUR problem and mistake, not yours. You are still the savior of all the innocents and all this is just the cross you happily bear for them.
I don't know if this is one of my "to review or not advice" posts you are so worked up about but I'll let others decide who is full of shit. http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/re-review-or-not-968187?frmSearch=1#968187
And, no I don't say put all the blame on the customer, that is just more of your BS response to anyone who doesn't just roll over and agree that you're the new coming of the monger newbie savior. But when people do something that is clearly stupid and was completely avoidable if they had made ANY effort to use resources on this site then they do get made fun of. However, if they accept they make some boneheaded mistake and ask for help or say they are a newbie they will be help -- and in the latter case, directed to the Newbie board where EVERYONE will be nice to them.
BTW, have any of those newbies, or even seasoned mongers jumped in to address CDL's question about just who you've actually done anything to help here? Not you claiming how helpful you are but others saying you've actually done something that really helped them? And, since you are posting on a NATIONAL board, are your comments really relevant to the NATIONAL level or just local? Are you even talking about what this board is for -- K-Girls and particularly the AAMPs, not storefront AMPs which belong in the Massage Parlor board. Oh, but that's right, you are ALWAYS on topic.
"Given that I my response would be no review and then decide if it would be worth trying again in case it was a case of bad timing (her dog just got run over by a car while walking in that morning, just a low energy day for her, just had back to back difficult clients or even first day on the job type situation) and things just did not click. If she was incredibly DDG with a body to kill for I might go back just to confirm. If same results then a review might be in order if you like reviews. As others have mentioned you might also just do some back channel reporting instead. "
What's this shit about "back channel reporting instead"?
Why does he have to "like reviews" to make one ? This is a fucking review site,not a choose your own adventure website.
Your advice literally screams of a review as last resort. On a fucking review site. Why? Shouldn't it be the first thing that is done, not last thing that is done?
It is definitely time to post the train vid.
The rocket show has jumped the shark.
Well, to be honest GaG DID answer your question, as has been done a bunch of times on this board.
...based on the photo he linked, as I understand it. He described her as "chubby and chunky defensive tackle build." That's larger than her photo, but the photo is somewhat representative.
GaG said: "...if any of the girls you linked turned out to resemble 'Meagan' I would turn around and walk at the door."
GaG said he would not even have gone to see a girl who looked like Megan based on that photo of her, let alone "turn around and walk at the door." The OP said he went to see Meagan based upon the photo of her he linked.
GaG completely misunderstood the OP. He simply gave his typical reaction - "no gordas no feas y no viajes (sic)." (Señor Conan says it's "viejas"). The point of the OP is that Meagan's photo was a helluva lot closer to what she actually looked like, as he said "an actual human being." Lisa's photo bears no resemblance at all to a "homely face" and a "chunky linebacker build."
The OP's question was: "Can anyone here GUESS which pic was true to what I got, and which one was completely off on what I got ? Which was WYSIWYG and which one was 'surprise mutherfucker'?"
GaG didn't answer that question. Meagan was more or less true to what the OP got and Lisa was "Surprise Motherfucker!!!
GaG was too self-involved to answer the question. He was just eager to repeat his mantra of not seeing old, fat and ugly women. But that isn't what the OP is about, is it?
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This is correct. It's unfortunate that you have to be the voice of reason here, because you do hate kgirls and kmongers for some unknown reason, but at least I know I'm speaking English that is understood by some.
He answered "because they can" . My question was what prevents one org from doing the same thing the other org did and which org is more trustworthy. Im not sure it's a relevant answer.
I don't really care whether or not the girls I mentioned are below his standards. I am asking why one org was OK with putting real, live pictures of a woman to advertise, and the other one was not. When the actual woman was similar looking in both cases.
Last time I remember we were discussing why orgs don't put up real pics, you and cdl and perhaps others I forget were saying how the visa stuff prevents it. I said OK, what about blurring the face and showing a real, human body and not some model bullshit? This is what exactly the corg did here. I knew exactly what I was getting. Why can't other org do the same?
If "because they can" was a relevant answer, why didn't the corg do it?
The two orgs post the pics they want and that is not causing them any business issues. In other words they do it because they can.
It really is that simple. Most of us here get that the world will often allow things we don't like or think should occur. No one size fits all here. No legal enforcement to regulate the behavior and monitor for compliance. Free will and ability to make their own choices for both the agency and the women working there. You need to let go of this hobgoblin of your here about differences -- it is a foolish consistency you are expecting.
So then the last time we discussed why wasnt the answer "because they can" ?
Lat time we spoke about this discussing why the orgs dont put up true pics, all I heard was that les miserables stuff about visas, tattoos and being able to be identified by immigration services.
So is it "because they can" or this other stuff ?
Are you able to understand different contexts for discussions AND that most of the time things people do are for multiple reasons, not just one alone. This is way too tedious at this point.
"because they can" is a copout answer.
What the hell is the context here? I asked why no real pics, I get one answer. I ask why no real pics, I get a different answer that is generalized.
Only the willingly gullible will get taken in by an overly optimistic photo representation, because the second you see its not the girl in the photos, you have the OPTION to turn around and leave. You haven't paid yet, so why are you stuck seeing her? I will often continue the session like you did, providing the girl is not below average appearance as far as Kgirls go. For me, service is king, and as long as a girl is at GND pretty-level, I will go through with the session. If she is fat, I will not. I do not take off points for fake photos. Photo selection is the choice of the org, not the girl. I will score her on the basis of what I actually get. If she's at least average as Kgirls go, she gets an 8, if she's below average, she gets a 7. If she is fat and I leave, she gets no review at all. Its not complicated.
And I will just add a word to his point about Megan. I, too, would never willingly book her. She's too fat for my tastes. If you like them that way, then we just have different standards of what constitutes a decent-looking Kgirl. But here, you are comparing apples and oranges. Megan was as represented, but she's still rather bovine. Would I see more girls from this org because they showed real pics of Megan? Probably not, because I, too, have my own standards for how low I will willingly go on appearance. No org that I patronize should have to resort to girls this fat. There are plenty of Kgirls waiting to come here that are better-looking and not fat. It tells me its a sketchy org if they can't get better girls. Apparently, your standards are different than mine, to put it politely, and you willingly signed up to see her. When you do that, the walk-out option is off the table, so you have limited your remedies. Walking out is not going to change org behavior, but at least you didn't spend your money on someone you didn't want to see.
I DID NOT miss any points here.
The sheer inability of y'all to simply say 'it's a bad practice' is fucking astonishing. You turn around and place the burden on the monger. Some mongers waste time and money traveling to see kgirls. I make more money per hour than these girls do, at least before taxes. Why are mongers' time=money considered unimportant ?
"apparently, your standards are different than mine, to put it politely, and you willingly signed up to see her. When you do that, the walk-out option is off the table, so you have limited your remedies."
and you completely missed this point too. I willingly signed up to see her, because service is king and bullshit walks. I am not complaining about the 'quality', I am complaining about the gross misrepresentation of a girl's body in one case and complete likeness in the other case.
So, my conclusion is that the korg did not want to advertise their girl with pictures anywhere remotely close to the real thing. Why is that ? They didn't think their clientele would like it ? Aha. So we arrived at the real conclusion - the org knew most of their clients - like yourself - would not be happy with the body shape of this girl, yet they still wanted to make money of her. So, they deliberately lied to the customers in order to make a quick buck. Clearly, their intentions were not about making their clients happy.
Is there any other conclusion to make here ?
Happy now?
but yes there is another conclusion to be drawn here, not INSTEAD of your conclusion which is "misleading pics" are a bad practice, but in ADDITION to your conclusion. Which is "Don't reward bad behavior" if guys would refuse to go through with the session if they were lied to, this problem would end in a day. If you have EVER gone through with a session when you were blatantly lied to about her appearance, then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
You seem to always be VERY unhappy with the quality of the women you book with, if things are THAT bad where you are, why do you keep seeing these women? If I were as unhappy as you with the women I book with I would have stopped booking with Asian Agencies long ago. Unlike a lot of guys here I don't love JUST Asian women, I love fucking White, Black and Brown women just as much as Asian women and if I found the Asian women in my area lacking in either the looks or performance department I'd just quit seeing them. So my question to you is, WHY do you keep banging your head against the wall if you are so constantly disappointed?
Where did I say I'm very unhappy? On the contrary, I love Asian women.
I want the orgs to STOP LYING. Is that so hard to understand? Just now we had people saying that orgs and bookers work in their clients interest. I pulled up an easy example where a well-respected org was engaging in clear deception tactics. Sure the girl did not last long. But how many customers were tricked this way seeing a completely different girl than what was promised?
Miss me with the whole "see someone else". I explained multiple times why I see Asian women, including me liking Asians and liking my anonymity and good service. But you probably weren't reading.
You say you don't see orgs that lie yo you, but I'm sure you dont abide by your own principles. You take the lie yourself in your face, you just think the lie isn't big enough for you to care. Every time you saw a girl who didn't look like the pics, is a time an org has lied to you. Tbh is is why I was asking Jensen previously to give me his range of weight age and so on discrepancy. I wanted to see how big of a lie is tolerated by ya'll.
Yes, good for admitting. Baby steps. Now Id want certain vip mongers say it publicly as well.
Also you agree that orgs prioritize making money over being honest with their clients? Or steering their clients away from misrepresentations and damaged goods and girls who are generate not considered quality by many ? Because if this was the case, certain girls would never be employed in the first place.
It's actually a lot more likely to get a well deserved "Go Fuck Yourself!!!" out of me instead.
Actually two of them, Hey RocketBoy GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!
Unless you are a spineless fucking jellyfish, no one is forcing you to go through with an appointment with a woman who doesn't meet your standards, much less go back for a return visit. So if that is what you do, and EVERYTHING you have posted since being here for these few short months would lead any objective observer to conclude that is EXACTLY what you do, then you are part of the problem. If you really had any balls, you'd call out the orgs that lie to you and refuse to patronize them if they don't deliver the quality that they promise. But somehow it seems very unlikely that you really have the balls to do so.
As for orgs having to make a choice between delivering a quality product and making money, your argument seems to be that the two are mutually exclusive, while in my experience, the higher end experience an org delivers, the more successful they will be. If you pussies in the Bay Area continue to patronize orgs that only have "linebackers" in their lineups, well I feel bad for you and all I can say is "it sucks to be you" most of the K-orgs I have dealt with have delivered quality girls at quite reasonable rates.
Are you sure you and BLPOS don't perhaps want to start your own board where the two of you can whine to your heart's content about the evil K-Girl orgs that are constantly cheating us poor clueless fools? How did we ever survive without you to tell us just how fucking dumb we are? Which reminds me, three times is better than twice so why don't you just GO FUCK YOURSELF!!! I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt when you first came onto this board, but I have reluctantly concluded that you are more trouble than you are worth. You don't really want to make things better, you just want to whine, just like BLPOS. Here's an idea, why don't you gain a couple of hundred pounds and then you can be just like him in ALL ways besides just whining about K-orgs.
I did not call you a liar.
I asked, do you consider a misrepresentation of pics lying? You said yes. Then you said, don't go see agencies that lie. Then you said that if the girl looks similar and attractive, you do not walk.
So in this case, you saw an agency present you with a lie and you did not walk.
Do you see any logical irregularities there?
Again, I like my kgirls. I Iike service, I'm not spineless and I do and will walk from a bad service session. I don't care about looks. Your assumption here is wrong. Your assumption that I'm not happy is wrong.
I call out orgs every fucking day on many boards. I just did it, didn't I? In this case I had a decent experience, but Im sure many others did not with this girl who was misrepresented. This is an org that is considered good. I have had an atf in this org. A girl who was considered best looker (by many, not me) who did pse, was in that org.
And if you think I'm trying to win anyone over, you are sorely mistaken. I don't suck dick. I don't brown nose. I call out truths, people get mad. Too bad.
I call out orgs for shitty practices and you tell me In blaming kgirls? That I'm hating kgirls? This does not even make sense.
I still wanna see the agencies you attend and see how badly they misrepresent the girls there. I'm sure I will see stolen pics.
I do want to make things better and this is why I post about rebrands, I post about what I hear in private channels, I try to help every monger here. You gave up on me? I respect you, but I don't give up my principles to appease anyone
"You say you don't see orgs that lie yo you, but I'm sure you dont abide by your own principles."
Now here are my words. GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!
You just said if you see a girl who doesn't look like the pics but you consider her attractive enough, you will not walk. You told me to walk every time you are lied to.
The girl not being the same as the pics=lie, do you agree?
What am I missing here?
"Walk out of a bad service session." Do you mean to suggest if she's blowing you, but you don't like the way she is doing it, you get up, put your pants back on and walk out? I've never heard of anyone doing that. You're trying to change your narrative now from looks to service.
The time to walk out is when you first get there and discover the photos are not accurate or are a different girl. If you start session and then walk out in the middle, most bookers I know will BL you. If you choose to stay and go ahead with the session. whatever happens after that is a result of YOUR choice and is on you.
I don't know why younger guys have such a hard time with verbal communications with Kgirls. I have found them to be very flexible, and if you just tell them what you want, or how you want it, if its on their menu, they will do it the way you want. DFK is a good example. Most girls automatically adapt to my style of DFK. Sometimes, I have to say a word or two, but they mostly realize what style I want and conform. The social aspect, which lets the girl know you are not just objectifying her, seems elusive for a lot of the younger crowd here. Its really a shame. This is where you should be practicing your "game" so that you can seduce civvy girls. If you can't interest civvy girls, then your family will die out and all of those attractive Rocket-bro genes will be lost to the world.
How am I changing narratives? Looks don't matter to me, but they matter to other mongers on this board, other mongers who complain about quality of looks. And other mongers who judge girls based on looks.
I feel empathy for these mongers, for my brothers' pain.
How do I walk out after getting shit service? I tell her to stop. Pull up my pants and leave. Cut my losses. This does mean I don't get my money back. But a shit service is shit service. No reason to continue.
Here you again with this trash about objectifying women, even though you had no issues bragging about how you don't fuck fat girls. Unlike you, I don't judge girls quality based on looks. Why are you objectifying the fat girls?
However, I have enough empathy for other mongers to know they don't like certain body types. An org deliberately putting up fake pics and dimensions, knowing majority of their client base will not like the actual pics, is despicable to me.
NOT "objectifying" women. Not doing something is a negative. You can't objectify a negative. On the other hand, just looking for a pussy that can "take a pounding" is the classic example of objectification. it doesn't matter what she looks like (you keep saying this) and it doesn't matter if she has a good social game. For you, its all about how long she can take a pounding. Nice try, but you're not even close on this one. Its apples and oranges, my friend.
Um, yes it is ? Youre looking for a thin body, which falls into the same category. I look for skills and you look for eye candy. Where is the difference ? If anything, Id argue that yours is worse. I look for a quality service, while you purely evaluate your decision on her outside appearance and form.
Do you fuck any fat girls with "social game" ? Yeah, thought so.
Just why do the two need to be mutually exclusive. You sound like the OTHFBC and their fans who constantly try to convince us that only old and fat broads really know how to fuck. Or the "quality vs quantity" crowd who think you can't have a LOT of "quality" and that by definition (their definition, not mine) that if you are fucking a lot of women they must by necessity be of lower quality, which is complete bullshit.
Yes, I like attractive women, but yes I also like women who know how to fuck and your comments aside, believe it or not there are some gorgeous fucking women out there who also have skills well beyond those well beyond what your typical fat assed $160 hr AMP girl can deliver.
I look for BOTH looks and performance, why is that concept so hard to grasp for not just you, but so many guys here?
Those things aren't mutually exclusive, correct. I never said they were. Frankly you are putting words in my mouth here.
"that if you are fucking a lot of women they must by necessity be of lower quality, which is complete bullshit."
Like, I never said this, ever. Nor do I think this.
I was merely addressing cdls claims that him not liking fat women doesnt objectify them, yet me not liking girls who can't fuck, does.
He hides behind "social game", so I asked how many fat chicks with social game he fucked.
". I look for a quality service, while you purely evaluate your decision on her outside appearance and form."
This most definitely implies that CDL at least, is only interested in looks not performance, and by extension since I only book with attractive women that you are implying the same thing about me. Good looks get me in the door, performance keeps me there.
As for your quote of what I said. Please keep your quotes in context.
Just why do the two need to be mutually exclusive. You sound like the OTHFBC and their fans who constantly try to convince us that only old and fat broads really know how to fuck. Or the "quality vs quantity" crowd who think you can't have a LOT of "quality" and that by definition (their definition, not mine) that if you are fucking a lot of women they must by necessity be of lower quality, which is complete bullshit.
As you can see, I NEVER claimed that it was YOU that said
"that if you are fucking a lot of women they must by necessity be of lower quality, which is complete bullshit."
I CLEARLY said it was the "quality vs quantity" crowd who said that. Please don't start lying like BLPOS, the post is still right there for all to see.
Back to "objectifying" women, on this point I actually agree with you, or at least I disagree with CDL. I think you, him AND myself, ALL of us, objectify women, and I don't see anything wrong with that, After all we are on a fuck board who's primary mission is to review women according to their appearance and sexual prowess, if that isn't "objectification" I don't know what is. lol
OK, sorry for misunderstanding then. I don't think there are mutually exclusive at all. I don't see what we have to argue then, we agree 
No, not only old or fat broads know how to fuck, but from my experience a lot of women who know their looks arent up to par, make an extra effort. Whereas younger girls who know they look great, have gps cases. This is just a general pattern I've observed. But it certainly doesn't have to be. I've met young beautiful girls who could fuck like bunnies and fat ugly milfs who were basic fucks. And yes, in the latter case it doesn't end up an enjoyable experience. So again, we agree.
Good thing that you agree we all judge girls in this hobby by their sexual appealing assets, be it appearance or sexual service. Cdl, if you want to not objectify any girl, you need to be unconditionally prepared to fuck any girl of any size or age who has good personality or social game. Otherwise it's just all phooey.
Most often even when we agree on something you still manage to disagree with me by either misunderstanding and/or misquoting me.
We actually agree on a lot, but you seem to agree in a very disagreeable manner. lol This post excluded of course. Let's try to keep on this roll of one post in a row where we actually seem to understand each other.
No argument from me there 
Clarity is important and being on the same page is vital. Let's try.
history that my position is that service trumps looks, but I still have a minimum standard. She must be at least "average" as far as Kgirls go on looks. The average Kgirl is slender with a few curves. The more slender they are, it enhances the look for me, but the threshold for seeing her is that she just has to be at least average as Kgirls go. GaG and I both agreed that neither one of us would fuck your girl Megan at ANY price, so there is a lot of disparity in are relative standards for how low we are willing to go. You probably heard that with all of the that extra padding she can take a 45 minutes pounding and that makes her YOUR kind of girl, but not ours.
Actually, I have fucked some slightly fat girls (which for me is up to 20 extra pounds, which always makes a girl who should be 110 pounds look fat) who had great social game, but these were mostly civvies. When I'm paying, I should be able to get what I want without too much compromise. Because of my age, I sometimes compromise on looks to get a civvie girl 20-30 years younger than me into my bed without paying. Its a tradeoff. Some guys don't have enough game of their own to get civvie girls at all unless they are completely hideous. I've been fortunate that I haven't had to compromise too much yet. Lol
Cdl, I have zero issues with your preferences. Zero.
Like what you like, life is short.
The problem arises when you criticize me for liking service and claim I'm objectifying women for liking women who know how to fuck and are aggressive old-style "pse".
tried the glory-hole scene. With the glory-hole, you know there is a whole woman attached to the pussy, but you don't have to even acknowledge the rest of her. You just stick your dick into the pussy and pound away, similar to a typical session for you. Would you agree that is an objectification of women? I hear those women can take a pounding, and it doesn't matter if they're even too ugly for YOU, its just a pussy. Sound familiar?
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No, it doesn't sound familiar. I have sex with human beings, women, not objects. And if I want to be serviced one way or the other, that does not mean I treat them like objects. If I want a skillful deep throat I want a skillful DT. If I want a skillful cmt level massage I want a skillful cmt massage. You still not getting it.
Not a fan of gloryholes, no. I can just use a fleshlight then.
Your analogy is not working.
Where it comes to civvies at least. I fully agree about K-Girls, they have to at least be "average" body wise for me to go through with a session. I have gone through with sessions with a couple of "butterfaces" because their bodies were as advertised and since their faces were blurred I could hardly claim "bait and switch" I guess that's why they invented dim lights and doggie style. lol
Back to civvies, I am more likely to fuck a homely hooker than a homely civvie unless it's a pick up in a bar FAR FAR away from home and here is my rationale. I can fuck a hooker who is kind of homely, get my rocks off and then never have to hear from her ever again and there will NEVER be any witnesses. lol OTOH if you fuck a homely civvie girl in your own hometown those are the ones that you can never get rid of and while I LOVE fucking women 30 years younger than me, I do have a reputation to uphold and I would most definitely be ashamed for my neighbors to ever see some pig leaving my home. lol
I do have to say that I am very please to be able to say that out of all the hundreds and hundreds of K-Girls I have seen over a period of many many years, I have NEVER seen an AAMP K-Girl that I felt was actually "homely" yes there have been some rather "average" looking K-girls and a few pushing my upper age limit that I know would not pass the "light of day" test, just like a lot of hot strippers don't look anywhere so fucking hot when you see them in broad daylight wearing civvie clothes, but that is the worst I have seen. Storefront AMPS don't count of course and only an idiot would pay any attention to the pics that a storefront AMP posts.
some of your "precautions" are already in place for me. I rarely fuck civvie girls that live in my part of OC. I usually end of up with civvie girls that are in LA County, or the north end of OC about 25-30 minutes away. This makes it "inconvenient" for them to get attached to me from a proximity standpoint.
My qualifier was only as to "slightly fat" girls. I usually avoid "homely" girls unless they have a smoking hot body. If they are both homely AND fat, its a pass for me, it has to be one concession or the other, not both. I have fucked many civvie girls who were probably the homecoming queen in high school, but now have an extra 20-25 pounds to go with that beautiful face. Likewise, I have fucked some two-baggers that had the body of an aerobics instructor. I try to be open-minded . . . . up to a certain point. Lol However, I will not pay AND make big concessions on looks, they have to be Kgirl average for me to stay, and in my book, "Kgirl average" is still a pretty good standard compared to civvies.
I always know when I walk into the incall where my eyes have to adjust to the dim lighting, she's not going to be as hot as what I was expecting, but if she's Kgirl average, I will usually stay and see how the service goes. Sometimes, if the service is outstanding, I will repeat.
GaG is the perfect example of what the K-girl board is like. This board is like North Korea or Oceania in "1984." It's a totalitarian state and you better toe the party line. If you deviate from the K-monger mantra that K-girls are the greatest thing since sliced bread and their farts smell like perfume, you will be mercilessly attacked and told to "go fuck yourself."
That's how you go from "rocketbro" to "RocketBoy."*
Same as it ever was...
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/any-comments-on-this-asian-agency-in-la-3424?frmSearch=1#3424
* -- There's a guy on another TER board who is the biggest joke and a ridiculous loser. Everyone mocks him. GaG barely tolerates him because they're on the same "team." This guy's idea of insulting someone is by adding "boy" to their handle. And now GaG is "following" in that idiot's footsteps. It's fucking hilarious!!
and come to think of it I believe it was FM who hung the BPOS label on you. It appears he is better at this than you give him credit for.
As for Rocketbro/boy, I can get irritated with someone while still acknowledging that he adds value to the board, unlike a certain lying stinking steaming pile of shit that adds NOTHING of value to this board. You are still clinging to the hope that Rocket is going to somehow decide that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and that against all odds you are going to endear yourself to him. He and I might have our differences, but he is way to smart to fall into anything that fucking trap. I like him better at his worst than I like you at your best, of course there is no "best" with you. You are ALWAYS BLPOS.
There is nothing totalitarian about this board., but you do have to have a positive interest in Kgirls to be welcomed here. Since you don't, and even denigrate Kgirls at every opportunity, you are pretty much despised, which should not be a surprise. There is a free exchange of ideas here, but we all have one thing in common . . . . we love our Kgirls. Its the glue that holds us together even though we may have differences of opinions on the details.
If you've been keeping up with my posts you know I do not enjoy seeing chinese providers in most cases.
I do think there are attractive chinese speaking women (porcelain skin etc), but they are in a minority and they do make a point of not sending them here in any large number.
And if they did send them here, they would be a complete waste of time service wise they're nowhere near trained at the level of korean girls.
That is why I do not waste my time with C providers.
You missed my point too. Welcome to the club.
I had good time with c provider and k provider in this case. The discussion is about one org lying about a girls body, and the other putting up a completely real picture which would give everyone all information they'd need to know if they're choosing by looks. In the other case, you were buying a pig in a poke.
I had great time reading your post
You're from LA right?
I fuckin love the bay bruh
East Bay. Is on some good shit
The difference being I view LA as more of a system but the bay merely as a series of connected cities.
Believe me, there's a fucking difference
I think a lot of bookers are just using whatever pictures they are given without any verification. It's unfortunate but this is where the knowledge gained from personal experience, reviews, and forums is so critical. This knowledge has allowed me to choose certain orgs because I trust them to deliver an experience that at least meets my minimum standards. Yes, once in a while I get very inaccurate pics or statistics and it is frustrating. I don't think it happens as much at my favorite org versus the region average based on my observations, but it has happened. That said, the appearance has always been acceptable and I left with a smile on my face because the service was acceptable. Choose quality orgs and you'll almost always have a quality experience.
So, would you consider lovelyangels and sexyangels not quality orgs for doing this?
Again, give me some orgs that you consider quality, and I'll find some misrepresentation. In gener, this org is considered "quality". One of my atfs is (or was) in this org.
Yes, you are the only one who brought up the fact that orgs use the girls pics. Very good point. Why don't orgs oversee that they look similar? There is some quality control for quality orgs, no? Or they just out here hiring any girl from Korea who wants to make money? If the pics are off, why not use oser to truth pics?
I think sa is a high quality org and I have visited them many times. However, their picture quality is all over the map. At one extreme there have been real selfies with little editing; but the other extreme there have also been cases where the picture was not only not the same girl but not even what I would consider representative. I was aware this could be an issue even before booking my first time because I had already seen many girls that moved there from a different group. Even at my favorite group, sometimes the pictures are real/good and sometimes they are fake/bad. Is that what you wanted to hear? That groups I and many others consider high quality sometimes have fake/bad pictures? Ok, it happens. Unfortunate but true. Why does it happen? Some reasons have already been explained to you many times ; whether or not you accept them is up to you.
Here is what doesn't happen to me because I stick to what I consider to be high quality orgs. I don't see uglies or fatties open the door. I don't leave any sessions unhappy. Maybe I have lower standards than you but for me everyone I have seen has been what I consider reasonably attractive and provided solid service. So, while it would be nice if my favorite groups raised their picture standards, they enforce real life appearance and service standards that meet my needs. Ultimately what I see and get in real life is more important to me than what I see on their websites.
See GaG, a person who considers this org to be of decent quality, even though they can offer a linebacker under guise of a young slim girl . So your logic is highly flawed. It's not that simple.
Thank you for response, canned ravioli (that's a username alright). No, that's not what I wanted to hear. I asked if they're a quality org, why do they put up misrepresentitive pics that hurt a lot of their (just off this thread, gag, you and cdl don't see fatties) clientele. Wouldn't a high quality org want to establish trust with their patrons and not sell product that is not liked by many? Wouldn't it be to their advantage, if they want to offer such contraversial product, to be close to 100% open of what they're offering? At least real semblance of comparable body type? I almost guarantee the org did this on purpose. Because were they to put real pics, many a monger would follow GaGs lead and walk. That was the whole point of comparison between an org that wasnt afraid to put up real pics and an org that was.
The shame here isn't that the product is supposedly inferior (personally I don't think it is. I'd take a fat girl who can fuck over a model type who can't, any day of the week) .
The shame here is that they HID it, on purpose. From their own customers. In order to maximize profits. This is the whole point of my post. The way of a company that cares about clients would be, imo, to not recruit such a girl in the first place and if they would recruit her, market her truthfully as a bigger girl to the more niche audience such as myself. Would you agree with this statement?
So why is such practice acceptable? What such practice does is mainly hurt newbies and people who tofft. We arrive at a point where a reputable, highly regarded org shows it has little respect for its clientele. And everyone is treating it like an elephant in the room. Maybe everyone else here is vip and they get warned by org people to not see this girl, let dumb newbies and John's who don't read shit online to make us money. I wouldn't know.
Here's my approach:
If I wouldn't stick my dick into her for free, I sure as hell won't pay to do so.
No matter when I see the "real" person, if I don't get a boner, I bail. No explanation or apology needed.
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Who said it's complicated? Question was whether lovelyangels org practice was conductive to trustworthiness and what prevented them from doing the same thing as Asiancat for a girl who looked similar.
I think it's different for many people. Personally, I'm looking for service, and some of the best service I've had was provided by girls who aren't too attractive. I'm not looking for some fantasy trophy face to look at. That would be very nice in addition, but not in place of service.
distilling bullshit down to the essence of the issue. Well stated, and a sound policy. For me, I will add fat to the ugly threshold, as far as sticking my dick into her, but other than that, we think the same way. Pretty sure GaG does, too, but he will also add old to his DNS list. I'm okay with Kgirls up to about 45. Some of the all-time best service I have gotten were from older Kgirls that still looked hot. Something about the maturity is an additional turn-on for me.
Wait, you think a reputable org advertising a girl as 40 pounds lighter than she actually is, as bullshit?
Interesting. Are you also saying that you wouldn't want to see the first pic and not make an appointment in the first place, rather than make an appointment expecting a thin kgirl and having to walk from such girl?
The question here was never about whether or not you'd want to fuck these girls. The question was which org would you consider more trustworthy in this scenario and why can't most orgs be as truthful as my example.
I prefer to be in charge of my own destiny. Having the walk-out option means its my choice, and only my choice whether to go through with the appointment. Even with an honest photoshoot, you often can't tell from a two-dimensional photo whether she is 10 pounds or 30 pounds heavier than stated in the ads. Sometimes, girls can pull it off and don't look that bad with some extra poundage, so rather than decide from the photos, if I find her otherwise attractive, I want to see the goods, knowing I have the option to walk if it deviates too much from the representations. That are many girls that I COULD have walked out on, but stayed, and to my surprise, had a good session despite the discrepancies in the photos. Make the decision once you get there. The booker will not BL you because he knows the photos are not right. He is counting on more guys going ahead with the session than walking out, but he knows a certain percentage will walk. I like to take a look first.
Looks are always subjective and vary from monger to monger depending on individual preferences, but I think we all should know what good service is. You don't get a crack at the service unless you show up and make your decision on the spot. If she is below your minimum standard to the point that you don't get a boner, you walk. Its not complicated.
I already have "Distilling Bullshit" listed as a skill on my resume. Maybe I should add it to my P411 profile as well. :p
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If you’re talking about distilling feces..
When I first scanned the list of topics I wondered why we cared about the paternal ancestry of MILFs. I may need a new prescription for my reading glasses.
I'm dedicated enough to keep it going.
People are apparently OK with quality orgs deliberately misleading customers and baiting them into b&s because they know majority wouldnt consume the product? Shame.
And regarding tactics that I use. What I do is ask questions that would expose hypocrisy and lying
For example, lets say I see a capt-save-a-ho. I sense he will not post anything bad about particular org or any current kgirl in public. When confronted, he says no, I will do it, you are mistaken.
So now, it's amusing to get him into a situation when he has to name them or be called a liar. If he names them, no problem.
If he hadn't lied in the first place and would say hell no I will never say bad about my korean goddesses to these filthy monger peasants, I'd never employ any tactics. Because at least they're honest. Or if they said no I don't want orgs reading my posts badmouthing me.
I value honesty among monger bros. If you are a capt save a ho, be one. I will ridicule your reviews, sure, but at least you'll be true to your calling. If you are afraid of orgs, I might call you a coward, but at least you'll be honest.
I'm a capt save a monger. No doubt. I will take my random monger bro over some girl or org. I will admit it to anyone. I don't have much to lie about about my monger persona and info I have. Try me. Sure by being capt save a monger, sometimes I will take side of monger who turns out to be scum. This is not ideal, and ideally I'd do some investigation before fully trusting a mongers story.
The ‘there are only two sides” argument is yet another fallacy. Though I appreciate that your intent is pure. I just believe you’ve got a lot to learn.
Still, keep trying. You’ll get there eventually.
This is the first thread in YEARS that has actually run completely off the right side of the page.
Great job fuckers. RocketBoy doesn't all the credit here, it takes more than one person to run a thread so far off the right side of the page that the last reply has to be read COMPLETELY vertically instead of horizontally. Talk about EVERYONE wanting to have the last word and NOBODY willing to just fucking DROP IT already.
Thanks for your kind words. It was a fun little training exercise.
Sadly, the student still thinks we want him to agree with others. When all we’re trying to do is, as I understand it, three things:
1) Actually read responses and reply to the content instead of just the headline and a few topic sentences. While frequently missing the actual point.
2) Quit using completely flawed logic to justify his point.
3) Stop using every single post as an opportunity to rant on the same topic over and over again without actually making a point.
My apologies for egging him on when I should have just let him stew on it. It was just rather funny to watch him continue to make mistake after mistake. That was unkind and inconsiderate of me.
Well, I think the "EVERYONE" and "NOBODY" was probably a bit too inclusive. Still, I fully agree (so go fuck yourself) AND I recognize my own contributions. Not really where I wanted to be but....
However, I must say it is the first time I've actually seen the single letter column achieved.