I was texting a touring girl recently, and she told me when she was going to start working in my area. However, she didn't appear on the roster until a few days after she was supposed to start. I later found out that some guys did see her while she wasn't on the roster. I've heard about VIPs getting early access to new girls, but she's been with this agency a few times already. I know VIPs can also bump normies, but haven't heard about a VIP-only/shadow roster. Was wondering if anyone had any experience with this...

It is far, far more likely that she saw people she knew before her official start date.  

what does it take to get VIP status? is it just how much money you spend or what? i always try to talk to POs but they seem pretty unresponsive to chitchat (understandable, they are busy)

Whenever an “old timer” wants to jerk the chain of a newbie it used to be quite common for them to make up a story of how, if you were VIP, you could get in at Shoreline AMP. There you’d find the hottest girls doing a line up for you with freebies and dream thresomes and access to girls available nowhere else the order of the day.

I've been pacing up and down the beach all morning looking for this place.

Even though I'm not a huge fan of the joke because it's sole intent is to fuck with newbies, one of the reasons it worked imo is because of play on words with shoreline amphitheater.... I may be wrong but I think there's even a sign that says "shoreline amp".  

Nobody knows how many people have been duped into actually looking for the Shoreline AMP.  

There may not be a Shoreline AMP but there are VIP mongers.

You say no VIP Mongers, but these two sentences make me wonder about that.

I said nothing about private clubs. But they are far more rare here in the U.S. - especially on the west coast - than elsewhere.

I always thought ShorelineAMP was a reference to the shed that Bill Graham built down in Mountain View. Oops?

The issue here is that useyrheads definition of "VIP" monger is some type of tangible membership that provides consistent benefits and/or discounts. Like an aarp card.

This is available to everyone. You have to know to ask. Sort of like the IN-N-OUT menu. You have to know you can order the 4X4.

No it doesn't?

Do with this as you will.

I assume you're asking about the non-advertised access -- she is in town but not listed but some clients know and are able to schedule with her.

"Completely erase the idea that there’s some race that never gets bumped or who always gets better treatment than you do. Some things are in our control. Some things aren’t. Control what you can. Let go of what you can’t. Stay in the back of the bus! Don't you know how well we have it? Why screw up a good thing? Don't try to reach for the sky and and fight injustices! You'll just end up miserable. "

I find it hilarious for mr useyrhead to poke fun at victimhood, yet I happen to know how swiftly he reacted to victimhood when it was a kgirl who reported her mistreatment, and not a monger his.

i think the extend of a "vip" status that i've gotten was being able to see certain ladies when they had gone under the radar, booking on an off-day, or in one instance, faking a stomach ache to cancel one monger so i could have a multi-hour one. i know at cara's when ruby was here, regulars to the org had prio

So, you were aware that a kgirl lied to anther monger in order to get you in there?
Did it feel good fucking over a fellow monger?

The bumper of today is the bumpee of tomorrow!

But, as we have discussed many times on here, getting bumped because of another monger is pretty far down the list of reasons for getting bumped.  

That would seem to refute the claim of some VIP class though. It would point to the business acting to maximize its income.

fluidity in being a so-called VIP.  If the booker has come to expect a weekly visit to one of his girls and you take a break for a few months, you may very well find yourself as a "bumpee" the next time out until you re-establish your consistency.  The way to overcome this is when you are coming back after a significant "break", book two hours, and you are instantly back in their good graces.  You will not get bumped.  Although it may be short-sighted, there is a tendency among some bookers to have an attitude of, "but what have you done for me LATELY."  Past history only gets you so far.  Its business.  I get it.  

Jensen, I think this is spot on.

There are so many hair-raising statements here, I'm not sure where to start.

Did you say it has only ever happened once to you?

Exactly, badger.

You don't show up and try to play baseball on a football field. This is the way the bookers run their businesses.  You are proving to me once again that your experience in the Kgirl scene may be MUCH less than you lead everyone to believe.  The bookers don't always tell you they are rescheduling someone else to set your appointment, so the majority of the time, I don't even know I'm a "bumper."  It's on them how they run their schedules.  In fact, if its a short notice appointment request, I will usually say, "don't move someone else to fit me in, I can reschedule for two days from now."

I never said they tell you that someone else has been bumped. I don't see what my experience has to do with anything here.

making that call, the booker is (or in some cases, the girl does.  I have had a few girls tell the booker that whatever day/time I ask for, make it happen, regardless of what hoops they have to jump through.  If you're the booker, what choice do you have?)  

So because it's not you who is making the call, your conscience is clear?? How nice and convenient. Let me guess... you just play by their rules and theres nothing you can do? Lol.

Yep. I can only think of one time where I (think I had) had a scheduled and confirmed appointment and then a day or two before got a text apologizing and telling me the appointment needed to be rescheduled.  So that's once in the 10 years or so I've been playing in the K-Girl playground.

Number one. I don't exchange numbers with kgirls (well, any working girls at this point. been there, done that, not worth)

The defendants at Nuremberg knew the consequences of their actions.  The K-monger who calls for an appointment doesn't know if he will bump anyone or not.  He simply asks for an appointment.  If the booker gives him the time he wants, the monger doesn't know if the time was available or if the booker decided to bump someone else to make room for him.  It's not up to the monger to ask if someone else is being bumped to make room for him.

I agree with everything you said, especially the first four words of your headline.

Except that the majority of the descriptions of what qualifies as VIP is the ability to bump another monger. Even CDL claims that is rare.  

Thanks for the insult.

My Bumper/Bumpee post was directed at K. Reeves, because he actually knew he had bumped someone!

I think you're making an assumption that is not clearly implied in the statement he made. You seem to assume that he knew going into the appointment that the lady faked the illness to give him the spot. He could have learned that after the fact. We should probably ask for a clarification on that.

...has validated all my efforts to be the kind of guy a kgirl wants to see. I get everyone’s statements but I have to admit that it feels like a badge of honor on a small scale to know that when I call the restaurant I get  table because they want my business. I spent plenty of time as a noob, and I in fact get that treatment with every new org I try, and that’s ok. But there are a couple of relationships that I’ve worked very hard to make special, and I feel like the king when I’m with them.  

I agree with you, as I’m sure I’ve told you before.

Thank you sir. Appreciate tour response and respect your opinion.

you naturally start with some bull shit strawman position that was never made. BRAVO!!!!!

Spot on CR. We all see what a jerk Felcher Boy is here among a group of grown men. Just imagine how he must treat these young KGirls and their bookers. One can read his reviews and get a taste. No question he gets bumped/cancelled more based on his attitude than by a VIP monger. Heck, I’ve been seeing KGirls for 10+ years in LA, OC and Vegas and I’ve never been bumped or canceled on. Yet Felcher Boy says he was bumped multiple times in a single week by a single org. That’s a Felcher Boy problem, not a VIP monger problem.

I want to answer the op, we all get carried away with these tangents introduced by other people and forget the initial question was completely different.

Actually, I consider myself fairly lucky. I know many mongers who got it far, far worse in terms of scheduling issues. If I just judged it on what I've had, I'd consider it annoying but manageable.  

You said it was a case of trying to increase income for her biz - and I've asked whether you think it's OK to justify the behavior with that. And where do you draw the line there. Your post seemed to imply to me that you were OK with it.  

I didn't assume anything.  

"It doesn't matter to me when he knew someone was bumped, because all I meant was simply, and I'm not being religious, treat people the way you went to be treated. "

And then call it "my" problem because "you" have never been canceled on. Lol. Your wish to go against what I said is hilarious. I could say the sky is blue or 2+2=4 and you'd be insulting me.

Granted, I did lay out a somewhat elaborate hypothetical that gave him multiple opportunities to dodge the main point.

Let me ask you, Jensen.
If we can "certainly" point to the girl and org, would you able to do this?

Don't you at least mean "was" given you've not written a review in nearly 2 years but claim that all sessions should be reviewed.

I confess to not really understanding the controversy here. Do you?

Well, that does seem to be a new spin on the whole "nice guys finish last" thing

Yes, am. Although my volume right now is much lower than it was before the pandemic. I am flattered you keep watching my review count.  

I only have second-hand BA information so you got me there.  That said, I think I know enough and have been around long enough to say you and your buddies are all on the bad end of the bell curve.  If you all aren't screwing things up somehow, then you are frequenting an org that likes to screw you i.e. the multiple cancellations in one week.  I would never get more than 2 cancellations from the same place in one week because I would not give them a third chance.  Maybe not even a second chance depending on the circumstances.  My hours would be allocated elsewhere, and everyone knows in the BA you *should* have a ton of options as long as you aren't bl.  

But your responses here seems to refute that. So is it a surprise that you get called on them?

Jensen was referring to?  I got it right away . . . .  It's hypocrite.  

OK, this will be my third time explaining my post, I hope this will be the charm.

Thanks for clearing that up as I did get the impression you were shifting from the general we're all potential bumpers and bumbees - which as I said largely refutes the special VIP guys are doing this and should be chastised for doing it view some seem to be promoting -- to KR was one of those people.

What pathetic deflecting. I've answered the question you asked, in a very straightforward way and with a long post explaining multiple things in the process.

Look at Jensen moving the goalposts completely. This topic was never about my review count. You brought it to deflect from the issue and spew falsehoods. How dishonest.  

I see that he’s accusing Jensen of moving the goal posts. But past history, if it has taught us anything, has shown us that our Lorax is just about always wrong with these accusations.  

I did not hijack any threads.
I replied on topic -

Of course he is. These Boards are the Felcher Boy's social life. We're all he's got. And as we've uniformly rejected his dishonesty, twisting of facts, making things up based on hearsay, etc, he's become more aggressive in his efforts to hijack our threads/boards. He's basically taken the position that if we won't agree with him then he'll ruin our collective TER Board experience.  It gotten so bad that last week his Board idol and mentor, the infamous BPOS, even went public and called him out for one of his idiotic posts. Anyone with a sense of pride or self-respect would take a step back, realize that they aren't respected or trusted here, and maybe dial it back. But not Felcher Boy. He dials it up and attacks anyone who doesn't subscribe to his nonsense. It's really sad. I just wish TER had a more active Admin and would suspend him for a while so we active mongers could share information and not have the threads hijacked.

I can only guess that the Lorax is pretending to misread another post.  

First, I appreciate you continuing conversation with me without resorting to tricks or ad hominems. Thank you for that, quite refreshing.  

I don’t currently know of any other mongers in the Bay Area with anything remotely close to Rocket’s sustained bad experience rate. I’ve been mongering here for quite a few years. I’ve worked on a couple of rather sizable monger web sites. Communicated with more mongers than most because of that experience. Still haven’t seen anyone other than a new guy who is still learning the ropes have experience that is even in the same league.