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36363jensen 4 Reviews 3269 reads
posted
1 / 55
An informal poll?

A claim has been made here that truth should trump everything. While I do think truth and honesty are important one of the claims was that we should prefer truth EVEN IF it results in a lower quality experience for us.

 
This strikes me as a very odd claim, but one I can understand being made if one is overly idealistic or fanatic.

 
For me, this whole game is a lie -- it's about creating an experience that in fact is not the truth but one we all pretend to be a reality for an hour or two. (Note, I also know that in some cases actual friendships and attachment form but this activity is not about dating or finding one's match or soulmate.) Given I think most others share that view in general the claim that we should be more concerned about "truth" even if it produces a lower quality experience for us just don't make sense to me.

 
Now, I suppose I could see the idea that "truth" >>>>>> "everything else here" if one is not interested in the IOP/IOI fantasy aspects and all one is looking for is the pure physical release and the provider merely a vehicle for accomplishing that.  

 
Poll Q:  
If you could live in a world where the ads were all true and accurate, all reviews were true and factual but the overall quality of your sessions declined, or would you prefer the higher quality average even if part of the cost of achieving that was that ads and reviews will not be "100% truthful" in *your* definition of truthful?

-- Modified on 5/4/2021 10:51:48 AM

useyrhead 4 Reviews 123 reads
posted
2 / 55
Looking for truth

Diogenes was alleged to have spent his life failing to find an honest man. All he got out of it was becoming a footnote in history with a few somewhat interesting and simultaneously irritating anecdotes.  

 
Some claim that they can determine truth through debate. Yet, far too often, what wins the debate is flashy rhetoric having nothing to do with the truth.  

 
Others claim that truth can be found in court. But the legal definition of truth nets out to being whatever cannot be proved false. So, sometimes the guilty are found innocent for lack of compelling evidence. Sometimes the innocent are found guilty because it is easier to believe the neatly packaged accusations of the prosecution rather than realize that the guilty party is simply not yet known. Clearly the legal system is not a reliable path to truth.  

 
Even science is not reliable at identifying truth. To quote the movie Men in Black “ Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.” We used to think, back when quite a few of us were back in school, the Bohr atom was the perfect model for what atoms looked like and what predicted their behavior. That didn’t work out really well.  

 
And let’s not even get started on religion.

 
So, if truth should trump everything, who or what is going to identify the standard for what is truth?  Especially in the world of the monger where everything is relative and YEMV/YMMV applies everywhere.  

 
My recommendation, for what it’s worth, is that we each simply do the best we can and try wherever possible to continually get just a little bit better. And while we’re at it have fun without hurting anyone else along the way.  

-- Modified on 5/4/2021 8:44:32 AM

-- Modified on 5/4/2021 8:47:09 AM

mrfisher 112 Reviews 125 reads
posted
3 / 55
Outside of science and engineering, truth is a questionable asset...

Rather, we need to consider the human side of how life works when judging our statements and actions.   To that end, a bit of psychology will go  lot further than truth.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 119 reads
posted
4 / 55
Fisher DELIVERS, using . . . .

about 2% of the words I would have used.  I will merely add an example that anyone who has been married can identify with . . . .

 
When your wife comes into the room to model a new dress, she will ask, "Does this dress make me look fat?"  In reality, its not the dress that makes her look fat, its her 20 extra pounds that makes her look fat, but you can't say that if you want to wake up in the morning with your balls still attached to your undercarriage.  So an inconsequential lie to spare another person's feelings is often appropriate.  In the old days, polite society referred to these as "little white lies" because they are not said to be mean, but rather to make someone feel good.  As Fisher says, psychology works better than truth in some situations that deal with people's feelings.   As he also says, science and engineering is based on truth.   This means you don't have to wear a mask anymore unless you're over 70.  

Ex_Machina 23 Reviews 135 reads
posted
5 / 55
Your quest rests on faulty premises

If ads/ reviews were truthful, I doubt it would diminish the quality of the experience, rather, it quite possibly would improve the likelihood that one has a high quality experience.  

Misleading ads/ reviews don't protect the fantasy aspect of the hobby.

GaGambler 124 reads
posted
6 / 55
That reminds me of a similar poll

Would you rather be "stupid and happy" or "smart and miserable",  which would you prefer?

 
Sorry Jensen, but offering up a set of false choices is hardly what I would call a "poll", but nice try

36363jensen 4 Reviews 78 reads
posted
7 / 55
Re: That reminds me of a similar poll

I wasn't the person that make the claim we should prioritize truth over all else or that that we should adhere to only telling the truth even if that resulted in the lowering of the quality of the providers offering their services. I suppose some missed it:  
"And yes, truth > lies. *Even if truth means overall worse quality* of product as a result of truth,"  
(emphasis added)

 
I also found it a rather mind boggling claim but wanted to double check in case I was wrong. Perhaps most people here are less interested in promoting a higher overall/average quality of experiences they have than making sure each and every session is factually reported in a review they might read. (I don't think I'm wrong on this.)

-- Modified on 5/4/2021 5:04:20 PM

useyrhead 4 Reviews 100 reads
posted
8 / 55
You’re not missing anything. Someone else is.

I have written a longer reply that is still in review.  

 
The net is that I do not believe that any search for a higher truth or a breakthrough innovation makes any sense for us on a monger forum. Incremental improvement, in my opinion, is what I believe we should be working towards for ourselves individually and collectively wherever possible.  

 
Further, nothing I have ever seen indicates that we have any significant or long term impact on the way the orgs conduct business. Sure, there have been able to organize boycotts in the past that will almost certainly never be repeated again for reasons covered many times by multiple people. And, yes, we can do another thread where we exhaustively break down pricing for the orgs, essentially doing their market research for them, so they can decide to yet again raise prices.  

 
And, if some org comes along and starts really doing a much better job of bringing kgirls to our respective areas who are better advertised, trained and managed while also delivering higher (or at least equal) average service levels and better attitudes, they will likely get more business until others follow suit.

 
Unless we get together and start our own org, though (yeah, that’s worked so well for other mongers in the past), we have no ability to influence that.

GaGambler 130 reads
posted
9 / 55
Please correct me if I am getting you wrong, but let me paraphrase your position

If guys in a particular market start telling the truth about their occasional bad experiences with K-Girls in their reviews instead of simply glossing over the bad while emphasizing the good then the agencies are going to pull out of those markets and move to a town where the mongers are both stupid and gutless???

 
That does seem to be what you are saying. As I said, "please correct me if I am wrong"

36363jensen 4 Reviews 137 reads
posted
10 / 55
Re: Please correct me if I am getting you wrong, but let me paraphrase your position

That really has nothing to do with what I was asking.

 
I even copied a quote of the claim that someone else made. Given your first comments I would have assuming you would think such a statement also a bit questionable.

 
As for my position, I think reviews play a role in maintaining a level of quality but they are not the only piece to that. That is because public feedback can sometimes (and I suspect here one might say more often than not) as critical without being constructive.  That doesn't help any thing improve. So I don't hold that some publicly stated truth in a review is the only way to maintain or promote a higher quality of services and providers - particularly in the K-Girl setting.

 
I would prioritize my average level of happiness in playing over just having every session reviewed in full and accurate detail so I largely reject the "truth > lies even if quality would be diminished".  I tend to support whatever help improve the overall level of quality -- given I directly benefit but also so does everyone else that's playing.

Floorhump422 25 Reviews 140 reads
posted
11 / 55
False Equivalency

I don't see how the "factual" things you listed would lead to a worse experience unless reviews included extras received that you don't when you see the girl. If reviews were more honest (and possibly negative), you might not see the girl in the first place, saving you from a subpar experience.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 104 reads
posted
12 / 55
You almost got it, GaG

The concept is really the following:

 
The truth does get spread within certain private groups and private channels. Publicly, the truth is withheld deliberately to make sure the girls with whom the experience isnt good, still get business and tell other girls they can do business here.  

 
It's a bribe or perhaps lobbying, so to speak. The truth is getting exchanged for a future promise.  

 
The people in private channels don't care, because they do get the truth and also get to enjoy the future promise of quality. They have a win-win proposition.  

 
Clearly, if truth didn't hurt the business, they'd have no issues stating it in the open. So, who gets fucked by lack of truth? Well, people on the bottom of the pyramid do.  

 
What do people lose if they start telling the truth? Well, the girls will tell other girls in Korea, hey huns, tough crowd, they're airing out publicly, you might not make as much money just peddling bullshit. And in the process, some quality will get lost inevitably or yes, traveled to another city where they can make money without the tough crowd.  

And the argument these people make for not telling the truth is that by letting the guys at the bottom take the fall, they enhance the overall quality. But again this is only a win win proposition for the top group. Inevitably, people at the bottom get fucked, because if they didn't - no one would care about truthful bad reviews.  

 

Personally, I'm a simple guy. I'd rather be broke together than rich alone. I also don't think entities built on lies, dreams or bones of others are fundamentally sound.

 
Maybe some people want to live in the matrix and never take the red pill. Some people are OK with cultivating an illusory environment in which a subset of people are fundamentally used for another group to have higher quality of things. We all make our choices.  

 
The great thing about truth? In the end, it tends to come out.

badger48 125 Reviews 110 reads
posted
13 / 55
How could that be?

If ads were true/accurate the pic should be, what you see is what you will get when the door closes! Stats will be right on or very close! One or two pounds up or down won't make a difference! Truthful/factual reviews will tell what you can expect for the session. If she's DDG, but is a dead fish, that is what you can expect to happen, no surprises!
    Now, if you read a couple of reviews that are close to each other, but you see other info in the reviews that make you think, I see a way to maybe open her up. So, you try and you fail, well you knew it would be a bad session from the reviews!
    Yes, I think accurate ads & truthful reviews will let you know there will be no surprises! If you are drawn in by the accurate picture and want to give it a go, well, that's on you!

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 162 reads
posted
14 / 55
Re: Please correct me if I am getting you wrong, but let me paraphrase your position

Right, you echoed what I just said to GaG

Let me repeat myself,

 
And the argument these people make for not telling the truth is that by letting the guys at the bottom take the fall, they enhance the overall quality. But again this is only a win win proposition for the top group. Inevitably, people at the bottom get fucked, because if they didn't - no one would care about truthful bad reviews.  

 
In your case - it's the "idiot mongers" (sic) that only look at scores that get fucked. And by all sounds like you have no issues with them getting fucked.  

 
You'd rather peddle a beautiful lie than tell the ugly truth, in order to appease the supplier.  
Supplier thinks, well these dudes are idiot atm machines. I'm gonna make a killing here.  

Everyone is happy. Oh except for dudes who would not see a girl if they saw you write publicly that some girl at CP had a gut. They're not happy because they don't wanna see a girl with a gut. But who cares about them right? By enabling the girl with the gut to get hers, you also enable the good looking girl to come in? That's really the gist of your argument.  

If you don't see how fucked up and unfair it sounds to mongers, especially those who dint do backchannels or pm, I'm not sure what to say.

Twoontuesday 11 Reviews 124 reads
posted
15 / 55
Could You Imagine

Never getting another blow job?

 

Not feeling the tender touch of a sexy lady?

 

Fuck that!!!!!

 

YEMV

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 103 reads
posted
16 / 55
Omg, who is seeking the higher truth?

Lol at the "higher truth" and the Bohr model comparisons. Jesus Christ dude.  

 
There is no ambiguity in you stating your experience truthfully on a public message board. By definition, your experience is subjective.

 
The ability to recap your experience publicly, truthfully, and naming the person who you are reviewing (we are on a review website, after all), is the instance of truth here.  

 
It really does not require any external knowledge, guesswork or some groundwork axioms. You don't need to know theory of relativity. You dont need to know basic chemistry or physics concepts.

 
A truthful review or experience recital in a form of a post on a message board is a relatively atomic structure. It is exhibited on many review sites, from glassdoor to yelp to TER

 
All it requires is acceptance and understanding that  your evaluation will likely have some impact, no matter negative or positive.  

 
It is an exercise so simple and basic, it is done constantly via pms on sites similar to TER and on TER. The only difference between pms  and non-pms is the scope of privacy.

 
So in reality, the reduction here is obvious. It is not the truth itself being told that is the issue - no, the truth itself has already been stated in a pm most likely - the issue lies in exposal of truth to the general public and how to frame the truth in a certain light.  

 
THIS is really the main issue here. The inability to take responsibility for your experience publicly. Whether it stems from booker knowing your handle, you just no willing to let girls lose business, or any other reason. Interestingly enough, this inability is usually only for a negative experience. Because - let's face it - the responsibility for a glowing review is negligible.

chunking 93 Reviews 156 reads
posted
17 / 55
Overthinking it?

Ideally, there would be no need for ads or review boards.  Setups like a German FKK are fully transparent with pricing and menus.   I wouldn't be surprised if punters in FKK's now have access to a two-way rating system.

It's a transaction, a service.  Yup, sometimes we project our fantasies and desires, but that's part of the willful ignorance that makes the world go around .. along with the belief that life is fair, green pieces of paper have value, etc.

The original Arby board stated its objective of bringing price transparency and flagging bad actors in the P4P space.  That expanded the marketplace, creating a sense of trust and safety with perfect strangers.

It works for me. I would have bailed long ago on Man Jose and the grind of tech if it wasn't for being able to recharge when the mood hit me.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 78 reads
posted
18 / 55
You never cease to amaze me . . . .

Do you ever feel like this board is a tuxedo and you are a pair of brown shoes?  You are so disconnected to the general consensus here regardless of the topic.  I keep asking myself why I haven't followed the guys who have you on ignore?  Lol

GaGambler 102 reads
posted
19 / 55
We should both write this day down in our calendars

I agree with you COMPLETELY, 100%, TOTALLY.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 98 reads
posted
20 / 55
GaG is going to be so happy . . . .

That you think he knows almost as much about this business as you do. . . . .  "You almost got it, GaG."   LOL

useyrhead 4 Reviews 92 reads
posted
21 / 55
Re: GaG is going to be so happy . . . .

You have to be careful about calling out our little philosopher/prophet. You risk his wrath and that of his “many” (according to him) followers. 😇😉

 
Just because some of us don’t recognize his prescience and wisdom doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the hordes of newbie monger followers that he claims.

 
As for me, I can be counted as one of those who do not acknowledge his claims of higher truth. I simply do not accept that the orgs and the girls (or “products” in his holy scriptural references) are our enemies. So, yes. It seems I must be declared an infidel by those in his sect.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 75 reads
posted
22 / 55
Re: You never cease to amaze me . . . .

Notice how you did not address anything I've said.

 
Again, what causes someone to pass specific info on which gilrls are subpar privately, yet to hold their tongue publicly?

 
So again, the truth is often said already. What people are worried about is the visibility level. Hence why there are aliases and the concept of anonymous internet.  

Oh noes a girl sees a bad review. Boo hoo. Oh noes a booker sees a bad review. Boo hoo.  

Clearly, there is no such worry with the positive recommendations. Those are posted publicly all the time.

 
Do you want an example? Remember you refusing to name a girl publicly that you claimed you had a bad session with? I did a bit of digging, and apparently there's a dude named Timmy who get very upset when his girls are not rated highly. And this Timmy seems to know your handle in here. And this Timmeh also runs this agency apparently that girl was a part of.

Now, you were confronted with telling the truth or acting in your best interest instead. You did the latter. I don't fault you for it, since most people do. But your best interest and the truth were two different things. You shouldn't confuse them.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 78 reads
posted
23 / 55
That's because I addressed it . . . .

the last three times you said it.  You are like the stuck stylus on an old phonograph.  Would it make you feel better if I cut and pasted one of my prior responses that will fit the things you said here.  Maybe I shouldn't have tipped you off?  Lol

 
You can do all the digging you want.  Someone is playing you by feeding you fake info.  I'm confident you will never get approved to see ANY girls at the agency this girl was at because of the things you write on this board and the way you talk about Kgirls.  You are a complete pass for ANY booker in SoCal who knows who you are.    No org is desperate enough to take your money.  

 
I didn't understand all of your post.  It seems you are trying to write "nose" but then it doesn't make sense.  You did it twice.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 139 reads
posted
24 / 55
Using color as the metaphor

Clearly I must of "echoed" what you said as I said while and you said black. Since both are colors I must actually been saying the same thing as you.

 
Goof grief.  I pray for the day you realize we're all so helplessly clueless here and sooooo beyond help you move on to more suitable pastures.

useyrhead 4 Reviews 132 reads
posted
25 / 55
Re: Using color as the metaphor

I’m afraid there’s no chance of that happening unless he stops getting the attention he believes he deserves and, whether or not it is warranted, clearly craves at the level of a drug addict who recognizes no rules or reason that stands between him and his next fix.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 123 reads
posted
26 / 55
Re: Using color as the metaphor

Strange, because I think Gag also read it similarly to how I did. But hey, can always blame me for misquoting and misunderstanding.  

 

The point of the ugly truth in public, Jensen, is that someone ELSE gets to decide whether it's helpful or not for them. Whether it appears too critical or not is irrelevant as long as you truthfuly describe your experience. But you deem a positive experience unambiguous, yet a negative experience can be too critical. You yourself chose to decide for those who consume reviews that it might be critical, and hence deprive them of a precious data point. Yet this data point is likely OK for you to spread via private communication.

 
I want to say boo hoo again, but I'd be repeating myself. This is a review site, I must remind you. Not a positive thoughts site. Being critical is perfecty fine and mundane on a review site. A review site isn't an advertisement site. The reviews are FUBU - for us, by us. Us being the mongers, of course.

 

Im not really sure what you want me to realize. I realized most things I've needed during my first posts here when you told a guy that you wouldn't post a  blah review of a new girl. And cdl added that bookers will bl you for such a review. I wish I could say Ive learned something thatd make me change my mind, because - really, you are a good guy and I wanted to be wrong about you and also cdl... . But I really didn't.  

 

I'm touched that you again are telling me to leave. I think I'll stay though. Even tho some of the bay orgs are now choosing to route their reviews back to donkey (lol) and another site, I think I can handle being on several sites at the same time.  

 
There are many people on here I value discussions with. You are one of these people. I do apologize for being an insufferable asshole and hijacking topics. Unfortunately that's what happens when you're passionate about something.

-- Modified on 5/5/2021 8:35:03 PM

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 106 reads
posted
27 / 55
Re: That's because I addressed it . . . .

You certainly did not address my point of  people sharing the truth privately, but too pussy to share it publicly.

 
LOL, why would the agencies know who I am? If the agencies don't know who you are (according to you) why do you think they'd know who I am?  Do you think I text them "heya rocketman here let me in!"  

 

I don't even get what that has to do with anything. I was talking about this sea world agency and your relationship with the booker. Not mine. Does timmeh read ter boards? Maybe I should post what I feel about him and his policies of bl if not given a high score.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 113 reads
posted
28 / 55
LOL - the skipping record

Had to laugh at that. A while back I had that same image strike me and started looking around for some link with a recording of the skip. Didn't find what I was looking for but so often it seems that is the best description.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 157 reads
posted
29 / 55
There are only two . . . . .

reputable agencies I have patronized in San Diego, and NEITHER one of them has a booker named Timmeh.  Like I said, someone is fucking with you to make you look stupid here, and you're taking the bait and fulfilling their goal.  

 
I have spoken publicly about many girls on these boards.  You seem obsessed with my decision not to speak about a girl who is retired and will never come back.  How does naming her protect a single monger?  It doesn't, so its a  false narrative to say I'm not for mongers.   But in the interest of putting this to rest, I will agree that IF SHE COMES BACK and tries to revive her Kgirl career AGAIN (which I don't think she will do because it was a five year lapse this last time, and her return didn't go well), I will mention her name on this board as a DNS.  Fair enough?  In the meantime, you have not given any LEGITIMATE reason why I need to name a girl who is not working and not likely to come back, only your butt-hurt feelings because I won't tell you. Your continuing disconnect with mainstream mongers here just keeps diminishing your relevance.  The way you're going, even Jensen and I might stop responding soon.     Most others already have.   Then you will only have GaG.   Maybe one of my stalkers wants to become your new BFF.  Lol

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 129 reads
posted
30 / 55
Re: There are only two . . . . .

I don't really care about this girl, I'm not butthurt.  

 
It's a simple litmus test to see if you're able to publicly say something negative about a specific girl. Since you already said it, just did not connect her actions to her name.  

 
A test that you unfortunately did not pass, just like Jensen. And I'm silently rooting for you both to pass this test.  

 
Speaking of truths publicly, are you saying you don't know a booker named Tim at Asianworld? Are you sure?

36363jensen 4 Reviews 158 reads
posted
31 / 55
Re: Using color as the metaphor

"The point of the ugly truth in public, Jensen, is that someone ELSE gets to decide whether it's helpful or not for them. "

That is probably something you should take to heart. You're the one who keeps claiming you're here to help others but most seem to have reacted much as I have. I'm really doing just fine, as is the market and activities of the agencies here, and your way of engaging is neither helpful nor even wanted. Yet you reject the idea we are the ones best suited to judge if you are being helpful or not just insist you will never back down. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 
Apologizing for your behavior without making any effort to change comes across as both hypocritical and insulting. Might give that some thought as well.

useyrhead 4 Reviews 150 reads
posted
32 / 55
Re: Using color as the metaphor

I see that he used your name. But the rest of it looks like he was addressing himself.

 
On the other hand, most of his posts seem to be him talking to himself. He only very rarely responds to what was actually said to him.

 
I’m not sure I should be impressed by your persistence or not. But kudos to you for continuing to promote sanity to the insane.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 132 reads
posted
33 / 55
Re: Using color as the metaphor

I think you misread my argument. I'm not doing an ad populum argument here, as you did.  

 
I'm merely saying that someone posting a truthful experience, no matter whether it's negative or positive, will have others to judge whether or not its helpful. The more information is given, the better.  

But you choose to make this judgment yourself and prevent others from even seeing this data point. This is a problem.  

 
Also, whoever made you the voice of this forum or mongering to say whether my way is "wanted" here? My way has a right to exist, whether or not you agree or disagree. I dont say "your" way is unwanted, I just point and laugh at hypocrisy and protectionism of bad quality publicly.  

 

I apologize for using strong words and the form that I use because I get angry,very angry about this. I can probably do it much more diplomatically.  

 
I don't apologize for calling out hypocrisy and trying to sweep bad experiences under the rug, making the girls look better than they are, spitting on truth in public. I won't ever apologize for calling that out. It's selfish behavior and it hurts mongers who can use a data point or five.

-- Modified on 5/6/2021 5:36:22 PM

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 123 reads
posted
34 / 55
CDL, do you know who booker Tim is at Asianworld?

I did not see your answer. I must have missed it.  

I heard also something about sdasiangirls.

 
You should understand YOURE the reason I'm bringing it up. Your sheer inability to connect a negative thing you already said to a name and making up excuses as to why instead of telling the truth.  

 
You also claimed that you wrote negative reviews of bad sessions on A_F, and I looked at archives and I could not find any... quite predictably. But I see a lot of good reviews. Including girls like casino at places like the Palace, a place at which you nowadays scoff at.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 86 reads
posted
35 / 55
I put him on ignore at lunchtime today . . . .

He's too much of a time-suck and as you say, he's pretty closed minded about anything that is not part of his own little fantasy world.  I need to spend of the free time I just gained catching up on my reviews before these girls disappear.  I think whatever "followers" he had didn't come to TER with him.  Maybe they knew they would  be embarrassed.  LOL

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 85 reads
posted
36 / 55
Re: CDL, do you know who booker Tim is at Asianworld?

Hm, so as soon I asked him a direct question, CDL put me on ignore even though he was playing dumb before with "who is Timmeh?" lol.

 
As expected.

 
And when cdl claimed he had some bad experiences and wrote bad reviews on them on a_fax, I was curious as to whether or not he spoke the truth. I went and looked at archives, because he isn't technically savvy to understand that archives exist. And what did I find? No evidence of such reviews! His average score was 8.6 over 70 reviews when a_f closed down in summer of 2015.

 

You ain't got to lie to kick it, CDL.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 106 reads
posted
37 / 55
The problem with truth in photos . . . .

is that when Homeland Security started using facial recognition software at the airports, some Kgirls were detained when they were traced to their provider ads, so the  orgs stepped up the photoshopping of their faces.  One of the girls has been mentioned on this  board.  They took her passport while they investigated.  She finally convinced them that she was NOT the girl in the hooker ad, and they gave her passport back.  I think heavy photoshopping is here to stay.  

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 89 reads
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38 / 55
Re: The problem with truth in photos . . . .

It has been said MANY times that no one checks body pics and yet the body is often more photoshopped than the face,and even more often downst actually belong to the girl.

 
This other day I saw a monger on another complaining about KTE and apparently they have a really big girl there. Wanna guess how her body looks in there?

Shes apparently so big, kte was forced to say "slightly chubby" in her ad description.

Big girls need love too, but how about showing a body actually close to what is reality?

useyrhead 4 Reviews 98 reads
posted
39 / 55
Re: The problem with truth in photos . . . .

Add to that the paranoia of your average kgirl who is afraid of being recognized by someone in the Korean community and you’re left with a relatively small percentage of kgirls willing to have accurate sex work photos of herself in circulation.

 
So that makes two legitimate reasons for photoshopping a girl’s pics. But once the photoshopping starts everybody along the line starts “fixing problems” to make the girl look good. Cause why spend the money on shots that don’t look great?  

 
And that’s how you get to where we are today.  

 
It seems like human nature (and kgirl pride - which is a force to reckon with) would have to change significantly for us to increase our chances of getting more accurate pictures. But wishing that there were no overzealous law enforcement types and no anti sex work laws to back them up. While also wishing that girls who chose sex work never had to face shame and discrimination in their communities. And also that the girls could all be completely secure in their own bodies so that they didn’t harshly compare themselves to others. Well, while we’re wishing for all that we should also be wishing for world peace. I’m not sure which is more likely to happen.

Floorhump422 25 Reviews 88 reads
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40 / 55
Re: The problem with truth in photos . . . .

I have yet to see proponents of "fake" photos explain why the face can't be heavily PS'd but still resemble the girl (I've seen it done many times) or be of another girl that she resembles while having body pics with light PS. What is the security issue with accurate body pics?

cks175 44 Reviews 87 reads
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41 / 55
The Poll Doesn’t Make Much Sense To Me

as I don’t see your correlation between truth and quality of experience.  

That said, I don’t mind the photoshopped pics. I’ve had some great experiences with providers whose pics weren’t close to how they really looked.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 85 reads
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42 / 55
Re: The Poll Doesn’t Make Much Sense To Me

While to question came from another discussion and exchange (actually multiple that have occurred over the past bit) the poll was based on the stated claim. So the question can be thought of as "taking this for the sake of the argument" type situation.

 
The context was really more about reviews than ads. However, it seem most reading the OP seem to have confused the claim the poll was to be about and my statements about my views. As I did not make the claim those comments were not offered to support/justify the claim.  

 
Those that did seem to get the question pretty much expressed views I would agree with: lets take higher average quality over some idealistic insistence on "the truth and nothing but the truth".

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 103 reads
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43 / 55
Re: The Poll Doesn’t Make Much Sense To Me

Ah right, those who actually disagreed with you, simply did not get the question. Convenient position,bravo!  

 
Hey Jensen, have you and others given a thought that it's maybe you who are on the wrong site? Just hypothetically? I don't think this site positions itself as "worship the girls publically" site. Nor does it position itself as "skew the truth to keep girls happy" site.

 
I believe in the review section it says "Your reviews should be as honest and objective as possible"

 
Unlike you, I'm not telling you to leave,Im just asking if you're sure you're on the right site? The values you (and some others) have seem to be the opposite what the site claims.

GaGambler 77 reads
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44 / 55
I think you may even believe what you just said

And while I can't speak for everyone, it's pretty obvious that several of us have called BULLSHIT on your supposed little "poll"  

 
Your poll implied a cause and effect when the exact opposite is much more likely in your given scenario, but you keep thinking/saying that you made an "honest" poll and we'll just keep calling bullshit on you. I would say "nice try" but it really wasn't, it was so transparent that pretty much no one took it seriously. I know I didn't

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 92 reads
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45 / 55
Re: The problem with truth in photos . . . .

They can't explain it. They have to use the appeal of tradition fallacy or resort to the whole "insecurity of their own body" appeal to emotion ,just like useyrhead attempted to.

 
The "let's put up and do whatever the fuck they want so girls can be happy and come here" part can cover any abhorrence and lie in the book. If lies keep them happy and coming, then let us accept all lies with a coke and a smile! Wow, what a position.  

 
The "argument" is so preposterous, especially on a review site,  that I literally laugh out loud each time I read it. If that isn't a proof of an extremely biased and self-interest centered position, I don't know what is.

Floorhump422 25 Reviews 89 reads
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46 / 55
Re: The Poll Doesn’t Make Much Sense To Me

Seems like you don't understand the context the quote in the OP was taken from. The causal relationship between increased honesty of reviews and worse experiences was something you added.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 128 reads
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47 / 55
Being "outed" in their community . . . .

is  also a big issue for the periodic Viet girls we get in OC.  Orange County has the largest Vietnamese  ex-pat population in the US.   Consequently, Viet girls will not even see Viet customers because they are worried about running into some guy at the grocery store or mall, or worst of all, church, who will recognize them from their sex work, so faces are usually completely blurred out in ad pics, but body is  closer to the real deal than they are with typical Kgirl photoshopping.  

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 83 reads
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I have to agree with you, CKS, . . . .

Even throwing in  photos that were of a completely different girl, I would say my positive experiences going in blind on the pics were far more than the few negative ones.  I think part of its an age thing.  The perspective of beauty relaxes a little as we get older.  When I turned 60, I realized almost ALL Kgirls under 40 look good enough to fuck.   On the other hand, at 25, I probably would have passed on most of them.  I have never paid, and would never pay, to see a girl who is not better looking than girls my own age I can get for free.  Obviously, during the years (20's - 30's) I was a playboy slut doing a lot of one-night stands with girls I picked up at clubs and bars, there was a much BIGGER pool of not women I could fuck for free.  Now,  . . . . . not so much.  I get better looking girls when I pay.   Lol

36363jensen 4 Reviews 96 reads
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49 / 55
Re: I think you may even believe what you just said

No GaG, YOU have INFERRED some cause and effect which I never assumed or implied. I've been very clear on that.

-- Modified on 5/7/2021 9:12:26 PM

GaGambler 118 reads
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50 / 55
You've TRIED to walk it back

but unsuccessfully and only AFTER you were called out for the bullshit supposed poll you posted. And it was hardly just me that called you out for it.

 
We all know what you tried to do, just take the L and call it a day.

herbtcat 6 Reviews 78 reads
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51 / 55
Getting back to the limited subject...

The greater philosophical arguments above not withstanding, I shall endeavor to  provide a more on-point answer to the premise posed by the OP - specifically focused on, I assume, K-Girl ads and reviews:  

 
I would rather look for consistency from ad to ad rather than some absolute truth.  Real, fake, or somewhere in between, if the pics, claims, services indicated are consistently stated from ad to ad and review to reiew, I think over time I can more reasonably judge if I will enjoy a session should I book one.  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

Floorhump422 25 Reviews 85 reads
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52 / 55
Re: I think you may even believe what you just said

The whole premise of your position is that greater truth in the experience takes away from it because the falsehoods add to the IOP. But, you have failed to address the illogical nature of the mechanism which you are agreeing with by posting this poll in the first place, which is that there could be a causal relationship between falsehoods and a better experience, or truth and a lesser experience. That is what most of the people on here are trying to tell you.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 110 reads
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53 / 55
I agree that the extent to which . . . .

their bodies are photoshopped has gotten out of hand.  It started out years ago where they would just plump the typical flat Asian butt up a little and add a cup size to her breasts, but I pointed out a few days ago on another thread a photo where ONE of the girl's boobs was as big around as her head.  That's WAY overboard for my tastes.   The ones that really get me are the pics where the girl's legs are twice as long as her torso.  I haven't yet met a Kgirl that was built like that.  

chunking 93 Reviews 86 reads
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54 / 55
Re: I have to agree with you, CKS, . . . .

Yup, same here.  I was in bed with a TW GILF yesterday, clocked her droopy fat and the bald spot on her head while she was DT'ing me, and thought, yep, it's come to this,  PAYING for a granny.

But, thanks to age, wasted years, and a bloodstream full of Phosphodiesterase inhibitors, I had a rocking session anyway, as we had a connection...

Contrast that to the lovey, lovely, Tina at  LSC (2020lsc.com/tina) .. wonderful, beautiful .. but no chemistry.  She couldn't even fake it.

I got into the hobby in the first place as I have a combination of hubris, laziness and impatience .. The P4P offerings back in my day were pretty rough .. BSW's offering one-Jackson BBBJ's on strolls  you had a decent chance of getting mugged/carjacked.  Not to mention the experience of realizing that the SW that just got into your car is high/drunk/crazy and could easily kick your ass to boot.   So, being disappointed over a clever photoshop job is small beer in comparison.  

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 97 reads
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55 / 55
Gotta love tw gilfs who do dt!!

They are keepers.

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