I've been away for a few years, and now most of the k-girls are offering BBFS and even CIP.
This is insane...why does anyone (girls or customers) think this is a good idea?
There are plenty of diseases, besides HIV, that are all around. Even some that are drug-resistant.
Prep does not protect against these.

yeah Kgirls have been doing / offering BBFS for years .. many agencies even list that service for $50 more on their sites.  no secret ..........  one has to also realize many of the more $$$$$ ladies do as well but of course never admit to it.  

You can wear a condom.

You know who you are not interested in seeing. Who cares what others are doing if you can easily go elsewhere?

Times have changed.  
FYI, You can still use a condom.
Just a thought.

that NEVER do this.  The good news is that they are the top-tier girls that have been around for years and have a well-established clientele who don't want anything to do with this trend, either.  BBFS is rampant in SoCal among new girls and girls with substandard service or average looks.  The best girls simply don't do it. If customers show up looking for BBFS, they give back the donation and show them the door.  It's not a coincidence that these girls who don't do BBFS are BBBJ queens.  Many of their regulars report that their oral skills and above average beauty the main draw for them repeating weekly.  

Are they reviewed here? Seems like they're most likely UTR. Or were they hot ladies at the time, then got rebranded into "Top Tier" status. And I'm sure their price points aren't what the advertised KGirls post.
Just wondering

Thanks coeur-de-lion. Appreciate the run-down. It makes a lot of sense.
Unfortunately I don't have VIP status rn, so can't PM you and get a reply.
I'll scour the reviews for the legends and do my homework.

When this subject was not allowed to be discussed on this board, or any other board on this site.

This doesn't just apply to K girls. Let's be honest...we dont know what ANY provider is doing when we are not with them. But does it matter? That is why WE wear protection right?

Is that what that means? They are willing to go raw?

You might have cracked the code.

Most times it is just marketing. Just like "GFE." There are very different meanings of that term, pending whom you ask. In p4p, so many terms have different meanings. It can be very difficult for newbies to navigate these waters sometimes as there are no set definitions that everyone abides by.

I came back to the game around 8 years ago and kgirls were already openly advertising it already under the "pse" code word. I remember being confused because pse used to mean porn star experience ie stellar service.  

Good to know.

BBFS is even more rampant in SB world.. Almost every other girl I have had an arrangement with is open to BBFS.. I just have never taken them up on the offer.

I fully support your right to use a condom or not use a condom, but you are playing Russian roulette. If you consistently see providers and do not use protection you WILL get something. It is not an if, but when. And I know it is not discussed enough but if you are seeing a provider between the ages of 18 and 50 without a condom you CAN get her pregnant if you have not had a vasectomy. The assumption that every provider is "clean" and on some other form of birth control is you just making very flimsy excuses for your very stupid actions.

GFE typically doesn't mean BBFS in the US even for Asian providers. PSE used to be the code word (which was also used for anal sex). But now BBFS is openly listed PSE seem to have been dropped. You may also "Options" listed which can include BB but also things like video.

I want to dine at a clean restaurant!...with an "A" rating!
Don't want to nibble and have a bad taste in my mouth!
Or catch a food-borne illness!

far exceeds the actual price.  Not only will you be able to network with other Kgirl fans (In fact, it's rare for anyone on the Kgirl board to be without VIP), you will get access to a girl's full "services" menu and the juicy details section of all reviews.  This is important because we are all different and sometimes have different priorities in what we value in the way of services.  Since you seem to want to avoid girls offering BBFS, having VIP gives you another layer of protection in the way of information about who is offering or not offering various services.  The cost for a year is less than ONE session with a Kgirl, so I would encourage you to find a way to get it as soon as possible to prevent choosing girls who are not a match for what you are looking for.  Once you get rolling, you can earn VIP credits from writing reviews of the girls you see and that will be cumulative with the VIP credits you paid for in the beginning.  

For kgirls, 100% they post BBFS and don't really use the PSE term any longer.

This is misinformation, probably because you don't see Kgirls.   100% do NOT use the term BBFS. Right here in SoCal, there are two agencies that still use the old term, "Open Minded."  Since you don't see Kgirls, if you want to know who they are, PM me.  I would respectfully request that you do not post as "fact" things you don't know about from your zero experience with Kgirls.  It's a bad look, even by your standard.

I find it ironic that most clients, who are adamantly against bbfs, seem to have no reservations about engaging in unprotected oral even to the extent of making it a deal breaker. The risk of oral transmission is somewhat less than with bbfs, but it still exists and is real. The only risk eliminated is in getting a provider pregnant.

Vasectomy’s are cheap about 650 bucks out the door for a low low price 😂

to DATY over BBFS.  You make a valid point that there could still be disease transmission, but when I go down for DATY, I make a quick visual inspection, followed by a smell test and finally, a taste test.  If anything is off, even a little, it's easy to pass on the DATY without disrupting the flow of the session.  I will just switch to FIV rather than use my mouth and tongue.  It's not 100% reliable, but most diseases of the coochie have a smell or taste that is off from what is normal, assuming you have selected a provider who bathes before each customer.    

In the 1970s, we had free reign to fuck as much as we wanted to. We only had to worry about the mostly treatable STDs (Herpes excepted, which was the worst thing you could get). then came  AIDS  in the 80's and everything came to a screeching halt. Those were not good years as you watched people die and you had to be very careful.

HIV leaps to mind, and that is the one that worries most people. But chlamydia, gonorrhea, HPV, trichomoniasis, all are transmitted at less, or with much less frequency, with a BBBJ than by BBFS.
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I don't think it is irony at all re: clients choices on this topic. It has to do with risk mitigation. I think most people in p4p, and in life in general, choose less riskier options, while knowing the risks are never really zero.

I wasn't saying 100% of kgirls. I was saying 100% as in I agree. The post above me said typically, and I agree they typically do. I know I don't know what 100% of them do. I have said numerous times that I have seen kgirls. I'm not trying to pass myself off as an expert, since I know I am far from one with kgirls. And, I'm not doubting what you are saying. But the popular ones I see do list BBFS. I will admit I'm referring to maybe 4-5 sites. I do not look at every kgirl site there is. If we're being very technical, some of them do still use PSE. They seem to be the less popular sites, at least based on the ladies getting reviewed. One of the sites I look at just says "B" as opposed to "BBFS" but I kind of count that as more obvious than PSE or Open Minded. It's just shortening the acronym. But in the end, regardless of the term, if you see ladies from a particular site, you learn what these mean, which really was more my point.

I don't think you'll find the reviews of these "legends" even if you had VIP through the review process. I think at one time they were reviewed but now my bet is that their reviews were pulled and are now gone. They probably have some kinda no review policy now or its kept "hush,hush". Can you imagine a review where the guys says  "I remember XXX as so and so on Cityvibe....

ask someone who knows.  Words like "I think . . .", "probably. . . .", "my bet . . . .", "can you imagine . . . .," etc., shows you are just guessing and have no real knowledge about the Kgirl scene other than what some other person who didn't know for sure either might have posted.   You have given no information from your personal experience with Kgirls.  Please stay in your lane, sir.  

Just write the review.  If it's a girl I've seen, I'll just text her and ask her to confirm.  When do you think you might get that review up?  Should we hum "Tea for Two" while you tap-dance?  Lol

Prep isn't really risk-free either. It taxes some of your internal organs and who knows what the long term effects will be if you're using it regularly.

I thought VIP implied anal but who knows

I have reviewed every kgirl I have seen. They're just not under my alias. Kind of like the reviews you claim you have done for non kgirls. Are we still playing the "they don't count if I can't see them" game?

Pretty simple.  If you're married and/or getting an STD will destroy your life just use a hat.  In 11 years I've only gone bare twice and it was in the heat of the moment and the two girls didn't care.  Both were with girls who don't do bare.  However, even in the heat of the moment a girl will let you cum inside her.  IMO it's more about trust and being relaxed.

I was once with a very pretty girl, nice body, though a bit eccentric with tattoos, piercings, and blue hair, and when she got naked,  that area had a strong "fried seafood" odor (sorry for the tmi)....it was an immediate hard pass for me even with a rubber.

I am also very sensitive to off-smelling odors down there. It's an immediate turnoff and negates any chance of DATY, I don't care how much of a smoke show she is. [I sometimes wonder if providers who don't enjoy DATY, leave their cat unattended in order to discourage clients from spending time down there.] Now, it doesn't necessarily mean she has an STI and could be compared to a man not using an underarm deodorant.  

to avoiding providers with foul smells if it is a recurring problem is to move upmarket a little.  Lol

Seems like on some sort of schedule, a post about the dangers of BBFS pops up and gets a zillion replies. Don't people know how to use the search feature, or do they think they'll be telling everyone something new?

...reliving the glory days. When I did play (which was when (open) bbfs was the exception not the rule) I too tried as much as was possible to avoid providers who were known to offer bbfs.

…the ‘smoke’ can ‘show’ up down there and affect the smell.

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Not only were the girls offering it YMMV, but any discussion of it was never public, only by PM through monger Kgirl networks.  On AF, we had a private chat room by invitation only where info was posted about this topic.  Was sorry to lose that feature when they went out of business.  

With the influx of KGirls reviews flooding certain regions stating BB service were allowed,  it became necessary for TER to allow the discussion and reviews to be posted with this service being mentioned.More ladies and agencies expanded on this addition to their menu. The ads became more open, reviews then flood the zone so TER had to adjust their thinking.
Think about it, without KGirls reviews what is TER?

Just from watching old sitcoms and shows from that era, everyone looked dirty and I imagine they smelled heavily of cigar, coffee, and some kind of alcohol...lol