raised her donation to 350.  Speculating that the increase is due to lost of current kgirl ads at the other review site.  Lets see how long this will last. Ouch!

their looks and service are just as good as the indie girls that charge these rates, so shouldn't they charge the same?  The way I look at it is that Kgirls have been held to artificially low rates for several years, while indie prices have been creeping up.  Its just catch-up time.  Prices actually moved off the long-time standard of $250/LA and $260/OC over a year ago.  $350 is just the latest "top" of the market.  

a sizable customer base.  She can probably afford to lose a few of her regulars, like me, and still maintain an increase revenue.

Rebecca and Chloe among a few others have raised their rates.  Which kgirl indy are you referring to?

are indies.  They work when they want and where they want, and are not employees of the agency, nor are they accountable to anyone.  The agency merely supplies booking services and incall facilities for which the girls pay a set fee the same as they would for a hotel room.  Over the years, a few girls have gotten good enough at English to start doing their owning booking and screening, so these girls save the booking fee.  

 
So these girls fit the model of independent contractors, and NOT employees of any agency.  That makes them just as independent as ANY other indie.  If you look at most agency websites, they state the girls are independent.

For places with high LE presence and huge demand for kgirls like Seattle, $350 had become the norm for the past 2 years or so. Seattle was never below $300. First kgirls that arrived were $300. Here in NoVa, prices have gone from $260 and have moved to $300.  

I know true indy girls that were originally $350 have now moved up to $400. But really, this isn't just with kgirls, but with all escorts in general. There's definitely been an increase in the past year with rising overhead costs and less security because of FOSTA/SESTA.

Kgirls have been $300 there for years.  

Cari

because the girls rent the incall space by the week for a flat rate, not on a per customer fee basis, so you might say they are even MORE independent that the rest of the independent Kgirls.  More agencies might be adopting this model in the future.  For girls with a lot of regulars, they can generate more NET income for themselves.  For girls who have slow days, this business model is a loser compared to the per/customer basis.

A long time fave of mine. I asked her about her rate increase and she told me if she lost a few clients she’s okay with that, she knows her base will remain and her service is top rate. I just joked with her now I don’t have to tip her

I'm one of her "base client"...will wait awhile to see her.  She's top notch but I still got other top notch regulars at 280-300.

Thought that independents may or may not have a booker but always have their own in-call location and set their own hours and donation rate.  So independents just pay their bookers on a per client basis.  Agency owners pay the rent, over head supplies, booker fees, etc and select the Kgirls who will work in their “house.”   This was explained to me by couple of my regulars.  Couple years ago I helped a kgirl leased an apt under my name and she gave me the monthly rent money.  

incall location, usually a two-bedroom apartment, and then they become the "house" for the other girl that works there.  In that case, you are correct, they only pay the booker fees, but they are paying ALL the overhead for the apartment, including the supplies, furniture, etc.  It costs about $12-15,000 to set up a 2-girl operation.  This business model was popular a few years ago.  Famous names that did this in the past were Megan, Suri, Glow, Bobo, Asami and several others.  

 
The downside to this kind of indie setup is that many girls have learned that they make more money in a year when they tour rather than stick to one city.  If you have the overhead of your own operation weighing you down, you can't just fly to a new city so you can get the "new girl" business.  

 
I have been approached by many Kgirls about putting my name on an incall lease.  One thing that is certain is that when there's a bust, the girls get probation, but the person with their name on the lease gets jail  time, because they are "promoting" prostitution (sometimes referred to as pimp laws).  Most of the OC busts of the last ten years involved guys co-signing for Kgirls.  They got anywhere from one to five years in the slammer.   Meanwhile the girl is back to work in a week or two somewhere else.   I can't make money if I'm in jail, so its always a pass for me.  

She’s now touring and I’m still hobbying  with a clean rap sheet. LOL

that you will get away with it like you did rather than getting caught. But if you end up being one that is busted, you will find out very quickly that it wasn’t worth it.  You are at the mercy of the screener’s competence in a deal like this.

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I am sure it's a very large number, but that doesn't mean I would risk it. lol

 

The very same can be said about putting your name on a lease for a "house of prostitution". It's a FELONY and there are guys sitting in prison RIGHT NOW over it, while the hookers themselves are continuing their hooker careers unabated.  

 
This is a REALY REALLY REALLY dumb idea and everyone should know the downside before ever considering something this fucking stupid. The only thing dumber is to be a home/apartment owner who knowingly rents out a room or apartment to a hooker as a place for her to do business, not only do you end up in prison, but they confiscate your property as well.

Gina Rollins... I travel to NYC all the time and she's like a legend there. I honestly have no idea how there are no posts about her giving away burning gifts. She used to have a small network of girls, but I think she's a ticking time bomb.

GaGa,

Why did you try to make this connection?  Honestly, you brought a girls name in here and it didn’t fit in the conversation.  Multiple demerits on you.

And, Seattle has a nice group of kgirls  for the past several months.

That's really good to hear. I've received texts from some of the bookers in the past few months. And I like how people have learned their lesson and isn't talking about them as much in Seattle's regional board. Hopefully it keeps up.

Personally I would not pay $350 to over the hill 40 something MILFs in Cari, Rebecca, or Chloe.   LA guys' white knight/cool to be noble attitudes have spoiled LA K girls.  Bay Area guys were more united/made fusses when some girls tried to increase to $250 and eventually settled at $220.  

We were just having a conversation about GR on another thread and I can't think of two riskier or stupider things to do than putting your name on a hooker's incall location or doing anything BB with Gina.

 
Stupid is stupid, all of your demerits aside.  Ask any hooker in NYC about Gina, or ask any monger with half a brain about putting your name on a lease that is used as "A house of prostitution" just because you get away with something doesn't make it any less stupid.

...Cari's age is listed in her profile as 21-25, Rebecca's profile says she is 26-30 (her ad says she's 24), and Chloe is 31-35.

 
Are you saying L.A. guys don't update TER profiles with K-girls REAL ages because they are noble white knights?  Are you saying L.A. guys are going against the main reason TER was established, i.e., to provide fellow hobbyists accurate information with which to make an informed decision on seeing a provider?  I mean, who wants to show up expecting to find a 21-25 y.o. based on her 176 reviews by fellow hobbyists only to find an over the hill 40 something MILF?

 
Well sir, I agree with you 110%.  The only point of disagreement I have is your calling them "white knights" and "noble."  They are nothing more than selfish pussies.

agrees with you.  Does that tell you anything about the validity of your position?   LOL

...ANYTHING in my post.  That tells me EVERYTHING about the validity of my position.  LOL

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...to rebut your post so I'll just say TSTTT."

 
And absolutely NOTHING in response to asianprince's statement that Cari, Rebecca and Chloe are "over the hill 40 something MILFs."  Asianprince has ONE HUNDRED FIFTEEN REVIEWS in almost THIRTEEN YEARS on TER.  You can't deny anything asianprince says so you try to distract and deflect like the loser you are by saying I agree with him or I'm TSTTT.  That does nothing to rebut his statement based on his many years of experience that Cari, Rebecca and Chloe are over the hill 40 something MILFs.

 
Well, are you going to say asianprince is wrong??  Or are you going to keep deflecting and distracting and hurling insults because you know he's telling the truth?

I didn't respond to your assertions, and I probably should.  With all due respect to your 115 reviews (which really impressed the Troll because he has only 2), I'm guessing you have not seen many indies.  Even Asian indies typically charge $400-600 per hour.  I started hobbying in the indie market, seeing American girls and was typically averaging $5-600 per hour with them.  A friend told me about a Kgirl agency, and once I went, I was hooked.  I was getting better service and a fuller menu (no CBJ's), for HALF the rate.  

 
Its not surprising that guys who have ONLY seen Kgirls in P4P have groused about price increases.  Its ironic that you say WE spoil the Kgirls, when from my POV, the Kgirls spoil us with low rates and great service.  Prices on everything we consume go up consistently, whether its the price of a new car or a loaf of bread.  Nothing costs what it did five years ago, so why would you think costs of running a Kgirl incall would not go up?  Should the girl have to absorb rent increases for the incall location out of her share of the donation?  If your employer announced that there will be no raises for at least five years, and on top of that, you have to start supplying your own office supplies out of you own pocket, would you keep working there?  Its not even remotely rational to think Kgirl rates should not go up periodically like wages do for any other kind of work, not to mention the fixed costs of the incall operation.    

 
As far as age goes, you do know that most Kgirls we get are former salon girls, right?  They do very nicely working salons in Seoul until they get too old for that market at around 29-30.  Korean men and Japanese tourists prefer girls in their 20's, and the salon owners bow to that preference.  Most of the girls who arrive here to work are minimum 30 years old, and they have perfected their sex skills so that the service is much better than most US indies provide that charge $500+.   While YOU say you would not pay $350 for an experienced Kgirl, there are many mongers like me that found our way into the Kgirl scene after paying higher prices for American indies, who would gladly pay $350 for a girl that is a top 10 percenter service-wise, and still feel like we got a bargain.  Of the occasional girls that are really in their 20's that come here with limited experience, they get bad reviews because they are new and relatively inexperienced, so they don't stay long.  Consequently, many younger guys are shooting themselves in the foot when they clamor for younger girls, but then complain about substandard service from these girls.  

 
I can fully appreciate that guys under 30 may be put off by a provider that is older than them.  There are Kgirls working in SoCal right now that go all the way up to their early 50's, but they easily pass for mid-thirties, but this is where the great service comes from i.e., girls 35 and older.  I don't think its possible to have it both ways, either a low age or great service are more important to each one of us.  If you don't want good service, then I agree, you should not pay a premium for it, but don't blame the SoCal mongers for upward pressure on the market prices here.  You get what you pay for.  

 
BTW, the Troll has never seen a Kgirl, so his thoughts are irrelevant to this market.  That was the point of my prior post to you.  They call him BPos on the other general boards.  Its stands for Big-Piece-of-Shit.  Rather apt, don't you think?