I recently moved to New York City, so I have been using TER's Advanced Search to find local providers to see. I have noticed in the reviews of New York providers a more pronounced version of a pattern that I previously observed in D.C., where I lived before and did most of my mongering. I am curious as to whether or not hobbyists across the country can corroborate or refute my observations.
I noticed that Asian providers tend to have higher review scores than providers of other ethnic groups in the same price range, and that Asian providers' hourly rates are often lower than those of providers from other ethnic groups with comparable review scores. I first observed this pattern in D.C., although the gap was less noticeable there because D.C. rates are lower, and a higher proportion of New York providers from other ethnic groups charge rates that I consider unreasonably high. It seems rarer for Asian providers to charge such high rates. It also seems rarer to see a strongly negative review of an Asian provider (e.g. scores of 1-4); even their worst reviews are often just mediocre but not bad (e.g. scores of 5-6).
I realize that review scores are subjective. In this case, I suspect that the main subjective factor may be the strong preference of many Asian providers' reviewers and other clients for Asian physical features, the Asian style of service, or both. I nonetheless believe that the aggregation and averages of a sufficiently large sample of subjective review scores can yield some objective insights. For example: Could the combination of the stronger work ethic, more patriarchal values, and greater respect for elders in Asian cultures result in better sessions because the girls are more willing to work harder to please the largely older male clientele? Latinas also come from a more patriarchal culture than ours, but one with less of a work ethic than that of Asians. Does the business model of an Asian agency yield better customer service, perhaps because of greater accountability? This factor may be present in other agencies as well, but perhaps a greater respect for authority in Asian cultures gives it greater impact. Is there some aspect of Asian cultures that makes them less likely to charge the often unreasonably high (IMHO) rates that some providers from other ethnic groups may charge? Do the routine and comfortable familiarity of the standardized Asian session script reduce the risk of a bad session? There are fewer surprises; one knows more or less what to expect. Does the joint shower at the beginning of most Asian sessions make the provider confident that the client is clean, thereby increasing her comfort level and her willingness to please him? For example, the provider may be more willing to go town on a client's dick and perhaps even his asshole because she just washed those parts of his body herself.
I can't speak to NYC prices as I rarely visit NY, but in many other cities where I am quite familiar with the rates I have to agree. The Asian women do tend to charge less and deliver more than their white/black/brown counterparts.
The one trade off, at least in some peoples minds, is that the Asian agencies tend to be quite "high volume" but the performance doesn't seem to suffer, and speaking as a "high volume" guy, who am I to judge?
Is that the high-volume agency girls tend to get tired in the evening, and performance does sometimes suffer. This is especially noticeable with the girls that are over 30. For this reason I try not to book anything after about 4:00p. However, I have a friend that likes the last appointment of the day at either 8:00 or 9:00, because the girls will often go overtime which he contends makes up for the service being a little lackluster.
They are all valid, at least in cities where I have hobbied. I have also experienced some of the cultural "advantages" by dating several on the outside OTC. A 20-year age difference is no big deal to most Asian women, especially the ones that have reached their mid-thirties, and older people of either gender are accorded more respect than they are in American culture.
Sounds very republican of you, in your attempt to raise one class up while destroying others.
Asian Agencies tend to focus on high volume as to why the lower rates, the girls have no say in who they see and how many they see. They are trained for their indentured servitude, in how to tell a man everything he wants to hear, if they don't they are sent back home with no money.
So some other races value their services at a higher rate, you consider unreasonable, who the f*** are you to say what is unreasonable. Oh yeah sorry unreasonable for you, your bank account is so small you can't see them so you want to devalue them by saying they are unreasonable, and try and take them a notch down by saying they are not worth it in looks and service. You feel an indentured agency is just better at wetting your willy at the price you deem reasonable. That is fine stick to your budget, but trying to come onto a multicultural message board in your vague attempt to tell other girls they are just sub-par is very shitty of you and speaks high volumes of your character and as to why more then likely you get a poor service from other women who value themselves better, You feel entitled.
I know an independent Asian girl who's rates you may consider unreasonable, she gets very good scores, but then one entitled ass came along and called her "Too Americanized" because her rates were higher and she put limits on what she would do for safety reasons.
Asian men tend to be better lovers and more generous $$ then most other races too, So I guess it really is a cultural thing of entitlement.
...then you state:
"Asian men tend to be better lovers and more generous $$ then most other races..."
Just one question.
HUH?
tongue in cheek sarcasm didn't translate well into text with that comment.
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First of all, you don't know your history. Republican's are the party of Abraham Lincoln, and they were the ones that passed the civil rights legislation of the 1960's while the Democrats tried to stop it. Even today, race-baiting is the purview of the Liberals, just like you have demonstrated with your post.
Your references to "indentured servitude" show that you know nothing about how the Asian agency system works. They are high-volume at the insistence of the girls, not the org owners. These girls come over on a 90-day visa and are generating enough income to live off of for the rest of the year, until they need to come for another 90-days. The ones that decide to overstay their visas work much less, because they're not under the time-crunch to leave. Some eventually go independent, or become org owners themselves.
The long hours is a cultural issue, not a requirement. I had a civvie Korean girlfriend years ago that was a fashion designer working for a Korean-owned clothing manufacturer. Everyone there worked a 54-hour week, 6 nine hour days (8:00a to 6:00p with an hour off for lunch), with Sundays off. When I asked her why she worked so much, her response was, "I'm Korean. Its what we do." So the agency girls are interested in maximizing their income, and their culture tells them that in order to do that, you work six days a week, long hours, and keep the quality up. Its a cultural aspect that many of us "lazy" Americans don't understand, and is not unique to Korean working girls, but goes across all Korean business enterprises.
Your choice to use your alias for you rant was a good call, because it makes you look neither smart nor informed about that of which you speak, and would not reflect well on your real handle.
Amy and I are very surprised at you.
Still love you sweetie :
You are reminding me of the study that The Economist published a couple of years ago -- just Google "economist study sex workers" and you'll find it.
They also analyzed TER's scores (though if I recall, they wouldn't identify it by name). Their researcher did not have (or at least, did not admit to having) your firsthand experience with the services. Their conclusions were purely economic and they formed some conclusions about market forces and the prices hobbyists pay. One of their conclusions is that fees are related to social position in addition to supply and demand.
One factor that I believe is part of the reason why the AMPs (especially Korean) are such good values is that the massage parlor practice is well established in Korea and so the girls benefit from a support system that is not found in other cultures.
In NY, another trend I have detected is that Koreans specialize in the $200/hr session with CBJ, table shower and no kissing. In the last decade or so, they dominated the market. But in the last couple of years, there is an influx of Chinese establishments that are charging more ($260 generally) for a session that includes everything the KMP's do plus DFK, BBJ and DATY. These are all "spas" where several girls work and some of the girls are from China while others are from Malysia, or Singapore, in my experience.
I think the $400 girls you are seeing are almost always independents -- there are a few agencies that manage girls in that range but they are dramatically different than the MP environment
None of us can speak beyond on our on experience, and although I have less experience with Asian providers than a lot of the clients in this world, and especially in Lis Angeles, those I have been with were very sweet and I left with no complaints, I would not say that Asian women were any more a "more for the money" experience than anyone else.
I doubt that any ethnic background or particular culture has much of an edge in this activity.
After BBFSCIP, hating on Asian chicks is his favorite thing.
Its BBFSCIP first, driving hookers around town second, and Asian hating third, I do believe.
The new rankings come out Friday so we'll know for sure then. 
If he's not buying milk/diapers, it drops below hating Asians.
But I'm ready to see the new data.
The new rankings come out Friday so we'll know for sure then.
I recall that you said jesustittyfuckingchrist wasn't a Tobi original, but it made me spit my Bourbon out in laughter the first time I saw you post it.
And, that is alcohol abuse.
I am always on the lookout for another Tobi'ism.
Figures TT would beat me to the diaper reference...................
Weird, compartmentalized racism like that just makes me laugh.
I'm sorry, but this whole thread is just racist as hell.
I wonder what could be said of AA providers? Mexicans? Russians
This is the K-girl forum -- it's not really about a brand of cereal.
I am pretty sure this thread started on GD and then was moved to the K-Girl board.
That may be why Adriennes comments might seem a bit out of context.
they just kept it the same for US. the kgirls who work in US just take a bigger cut.
really nothing to think too much into like your doing...ie...culture work ethic etc. its just what the room salons/anmas in korea normally charge for the type of service your talking about. its standard fare. of course alot of tweeks was done due to US customer demands like DFK,cim,rimming etc...which the kgirls accept due to owners giving up a bigger cut to the girls while the overall rate stayed the same.
but the fact it happens to be lower then US escorts normally charge well just lucky for us the kgirls don't consider exchange rates^^
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