Here's what went down...and if the booker is lurking here...F-YOU
I just got back from Vegas, but this happen recently as I was planning my trip.  
About a week or less before my arrival I inquired about Jay and Ginger. Asking if they'll be around when I'm there. Dude, got back to me with a "Yes" on Jay and a "No" on Ginger....cool. I told him I would confirm day of for Jay.
About a coupe of days, going through other boards I see someone remark that Jay at VAC has taken her talents to SD and won't be back for awhile. I'm thinking, "fucking booker bullshitted me". I text him asking if Jay was going to be in Vegas on said day I asked for or will she be holed up in SD as I heard
Homeboy seemed to have lost it when I asked, he came back with the "You ask too many questions", "Why you ask?"..."Ask again I'll block you"...
I Said, fuck it.....and moved on.
Is this the norm for this guy? if it is...how and why do you guys put up with this?

They probably get a hundred tests per day if not more, and they're only focused on today and tomorrow. The girls probably go wherever and whenever they please so booker may have no idea who will be available on xyz date in the future.

There's a good chance the booker is an asshole just off how many bookers are assholes imo.

Sorry you had the experience you did - not highly uncommon in the world of K-orgs  but kind of surprising in such a competitive market. I have found that the size of booker assholes is inversely related to the amount of competition in a given market. The less the competition the bigger the asshole....
I have had positive experiences with VAC but communications are a bit curt. I write it off to cultural differences; most K bookers seem to be a bit ambivalent. I work in LV almost every month and have been impressed by CLL of late. One great thing about living in a Capitalist nation is the ability to vote with your dollar - as Granddaddy told me when I was about 6 - if you don't find them cooperative - fuck'em.

...and coincidentally I'll be there this weekend. I reached out to Kevin at CLL yesterday to let him know that I'd be in town and he couldn't be more accommodating. It really depends on the booker, but their personalities tend to be fairly stable. An asshole tends to stay an asshole, and a good guy tends to stay a good guy (or girl) unless provoked. Of course we all have bad days which can screw up even a generally good dispositioned person's mood. Sorry this happened to you. I'd try a different booker and agency next time.

Booked with VAC 2 days ago and it was smooth sailing. Saw the legendary Lyn for the first time and she told me to visit her down in socal with my reference here. She complained about Vegas clientele being so suggestive on bb which annoyed her.

Lyn is probably the only girl in the stable of VAC who doesn’t offer BB. Guys just figure if you’re with VAC , then BB is on the table.
Thats just the way it is..
But anyways…. That booker is still a POS

Your "Some girls are impulsive too and unpredictable. Here today, gone tomorrow as they say." is correct. But in this case because I had inquired and Ginger and those that know of her would know that she does move around. So the booker was very honest with me about Ginger. She was not going to be there when I was there.That part was cool.
But in the case of Jay, those that know of her know she's an older woman, is a staple of VAC . She doesn't come and go as freely as say Lyn. She's been holed up in Vegas for awhile and doesn't move around compared to others. And now as I look back, when I inquired about Jay, she was already in SD. And the asshole lied to me.
The booker probably thought I was some yahoo from Kansas who wouldn't know the difference between Jay, Miso, or Eatme. That I'd probably accept anyone....Or on the day of,he'd probably say Jay was booked but Ladeeda was available.
That's what I bugged about...as you can see. If he would have said, that Jay wasn't available then I'd be cool ok.
Anyways, I'm sure this has happened...ALOT to guys who just don't know

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Lyn has been known to ban customers in LA just for asking about BBFS, so it sounds like she let those Vegas dudes off easy - LOL!

I’ve got to agree with Merlin. Happy’s behavior was that of the classic time waster, and it’s not surprising that he got some push back for it.

I broke my KGirl maiden with VAC (then Hobby Shop) about 10 years ago. At the time Hobby Shop had the best KGirls in Vegas (Gloria, Amanda, and Quinn anyone???) and the booker was awesome to deal with. VAC was the only Vegas agency I used.
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After COVID things changed. The quality and looks of its companions decreased, the photos were dramatically altered/photoshopped, and the booker was much less friendly. After two really poor sessions I started looking at other options, and I can no longer recommend VAC like I would have and frequently did pre-COVID.
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I first tried Little Tokyo. I had heard horror stories about the booker, but for me he was great to work with (even on my first visit where I had a minor issue with the lady) and his ladies were almost universally awesome for me (if you don't love Phoebe maybe you should reevaluate your goals). And, LT is much more conveniently located than VAC. Never had any problems there, although LT does photoshop its ladies' photos (I'm not sure whether that's on the agency or the ladies, but it's a fact). I recommend LT.
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After a couple of years I also tried ClubLoveLine. The booker Kevin is the best I've ever worked with, and Blossom who appears to be permanently stationed in Vegas is a top 5 KGirl experience for me and someone I saw for lunch regularly. And again they're very convenient to the Strip. Yes, in its early days CLL had a reputation for shilling, but that seems to have changed and I can't recommend an agency/booker higher.

See you're the spinless guys these guys love...take whoever is available, fuck them...sound like you? Sorry, I don't take "day of" ladies. I wasn't going to settle....But my guess, you do, right?

The scenario your describing is just one you made up in your head rather that something that actuallt happened in this case. So you don't really know if some bait and switch was to occur when you got there or not.

My gawd...
Like you said, "Yes, the booker should have just said, she is not here so check back when you get in town or something like that"...you're right, he should have but he didn't, He was straight up with Ginger not with Jay. Led me to believe Jay would be there. Imagine me confirming day of and she's not there....Sorry but I don't work that way.
And why would I embellish this, its simple and like I said, there some who tolerate this nonsense. I just don't. And what do you know about Vegas? I get you're a agency guy but I think Vegas is handle differently they Tyson.

I second the Kevin recommendation not only about  the best booker I have encountered but has vouched for me with bookers in 3 other cities. He and Booker Gray in L.A. stand well above the crowd in the K-org world.

But I disagree with him too. And I will challenge him to outline all possibilities if he doesn't like hypotheticals, assuming the statement that the girl was gone at that point is truthful.  

Yeah, just from your hostile attitude here, I can see exactly why the booker got annoyed and didn't want to work with you. Thanks for proving my point with your own words.

So, you can tell from "hostile attitude" of someone complaining on a forum about the booker, that the booker was somehow right? Even though the booker fed him misinformation.  

All I was saying is that all the rest of the spin didn't matter. [edid] And, to be clear myself, and give rocket a bit of a response, I said "The scenario your describing is just one you made up in your head rather that something that actuallt happened in this case." Sure it could have happend that way and you can say it is a very probably hypothisis but you never actually tested that hypothisis so it never actually happened.  But as I say below, what did that actualy add to your post?

I gave him the info he requested ,name, rank and serial number and I went beyond what he was asking for and provided something short of a deposit. All I ask for, are the two girls available and I was polite. And then when I ask as to Jay, then he lost his shit., I said "Ok" and ended the conversation.  I didn't rant or wave. Its not my style to jump on a booker. I get they get alot of inquiries and most peter out. The information I gave him proved that I was serious.
And it was going to be outcall to my hotel, so doing the premium rate was ok with me
I understand how protective you are of your little playground and maybe you tolerate this nonsense but I'm too old to put up with this BS

about her a week before, maybe at the time of your contact his schedule had her back in Vegas wherever she was.
Happened to me a couple of times. Asked about a specific Kgirl and the Booker said she will be there for the day I asked about.
Then I saw/heard she was on vacation/out of town.
Asked the booker the day before and it was confirmed the session was good.

My read of Jensen’s post re the embellishment was your ranting about being bait and switched. You thought you might be bait and switched, but In actuality you weren’t.
You’re right to be peeved about the misinfo, but there’s no need to exaggerate what happened to you to. If you want to be taken seriously here, stop acting like a drama queen.

And let me remind some, Jay is an older woman, she isn't young lady who is prone to jump from city to city. Those that know of her know this. But I did my homework on her, search all discussion boards and that's when I knew she was in SD.
Now, looking at it now it seems I was correct, she's in SD and based on her last two reviews, she's still there. So she wasn't in Vegas the time I was there.
And if you check out the line up card for VAC today, she's nowhere to be listed.
And a parting shot to the booker,as I'm done with this......DUDE you're still an asshole.

Indeed, I have visited Cari many times over the years, and her booker is not always the most polite person in the world. But so what? I can maintain my cool, no matter how foolish the other person might be.

Somehow I doubt that, dude. We see your type here on the boards all the time. You annoy the bookers. Then you whine & complain about it here. Then you wonder why you can't visit the k-girls that you want to visit. Hmm, I wonder where the problem is?

Or you must be a booker for them ..either way white knight all you want..
And Collect your cut and STFU..

Merlin’s a shill?! LOL

Try a few steps below...lol
But anyways,I swear you K-Boys are so territorial about your sand box...get over it.  
An in parting, here's a excerpt from a post from another site..and there's more like this. So start getting real.
Hate to say this, but some of you guy are just sad....

Agreed, the switch to another girl when the one you inquired about who's advertised as working but really isn't. I think they capitalize on a john being horny and assume they'd fuck anything during that moment.

I still think you’re overblowing what happened. You weren’t bait and switched, but continue to circle back to that. My original point still stands. You’re being a drama queen about this.

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He was lied to. And then was responded to rudely when it wasn't uncalled for. But you don't want to focus on that. I wonder why.

You wonder what the problem is?

"not the most polite person in the world"?

you can really hurt their egos and lower them a few notches?
If they read any of this stuff, I bet they just laugh it off and go back to counting their money!

if the Ksandbox is so fucked up, why do you want to play in it?
Too many opportunities in the P4P world to worry about one of them.
As for other states, you don't think California has fucked up Bookers.
A lot of chatter about Sawtelle on another site for the last few days!

I’m focused enough to acknowledge that Happy was lied to. Also focused enough to see that Happy alleges that the Booker initiated the rudeness. But that’s not the point of this subthread.

Perhaps others are not focused on that because that is something that no one actually is disputing.

Normally I don't venture into the world of fake photoshop pictures, bait and switches and just the ugliest of the K-Girl booker scene. But there were two young ladies who I was interested in meeting on my Vegas trip, just two and that's it.
And they weren't there so I move on....and I didn't inquire about no one else
Shit there's one forum, where an agency isn't allowed to post, and the users aren't allowed to mention this agency. It had way to many "defenders" and "chills"...gee sound familiar??
So, if anything.... this post has confirmed is my thought, and it was what I always assumed is that most. not all the guys that chime in here are, sorry to say ...spinless.gutless. They accept what they're given,...don't bitch or complain.And defend it.
Guys here seem afraid of the bookers and don't want to rock the boat. Its even reflected in their reviews.
But hey...It's your scene...have at it

You used chills once and I figured it was a typo. But then a second time?

These bookers have proved to be reading forums, not necessarily this one, but they do read big public forums. And this one is read too.

This discussion is/was about a very specific booker. Not how "people respond to situations". The topic put pressure on a specific booker.  

I don’t dispute the fact that you and I see things differently.   But you need to get your facts straight if you’re going to waste a post complaining about me.

No, you have not acknowledged that the booker lied up until your post today. You haven't explicitly stated that what the booker have done was wrong, nor have you acknowledged that he was lying. Up until today, replying to my posts.  

Rocket said:

Lol. "You’re right to be peeved about the misinfo" isn't explicitly acknowledging that booker fucked up. And what he did was wrong.

All the complaining in the world, and continuously harping on every case even if it seems to be a one off, coupled with still handing over your money, is pointless.  

Has happy given the booker money?

what he spun in his head about where it was all going which really added nothing to the reported situation he had. I think that was very clear in several posts I've made.

I’m with you Jensen. If I have issues with an agency or booker I simply take my business elsewhere. No need to argue or bash anyone. Just move on to another agency.

You haven't supported him or agreed with him explicitly. You haven't said the booker has lied explicitly.  

Not even tell others about these issues so they are aware about them?  

I review hookers, not bookers. When I have a problem with a booker, I switch agencies.

If you didn't direct them at me disregard most of my comments.

Ok, simple question then:

Now whenever someone out of town asks about VAC and experiences with out of towners, I'd argue this thread is a MANDATORY read and should be linked along with the answer.  

I don't need to say water is wet or bad behavior is bad behavior. When I am making a comment about something that was more tangental to the large discussion not saying anythin makes perfect sense and only the myopic crusaider would interpret no comment as support.

Yes, you don't NEED to say it. But I've never seen you say it when it comes to mongers complaining about bad behavior.  

Very telling imo.  

Fucking christ rocket.

Sdag is such an example. I gave it to you. (Now, did I get lucky in that someome from TER decided to remove all the sdag reviews and hence gave the kick to the nuts the agency needed for so long)

You've got someone patting you on the back for something that others using the agency also said they never experienced.  You got information that TER users in the SD area might have been using removed. You got the page with the policy removed or put behind a password access control.

And if you read the post, it's not really about patting me on the back. It's about not getting bullied and how being persistent can pay off and make things better.

I guess you really dont know JAY/Tracy/Emmy/Summer   yeah all those names....

You said

what you are describing, but Rocket is never going to believe there are bookers who tell the truth.  Lol

So did Hpy lie or something?
Why is this about me?

"Dude, got back to me with a "Yes" on Jay and a "No" on Ginger....cool. I told him I would confirm day of for Jay.
About a coupe of days, going through other boards I see someone remark that Jay at VAC has taken her talents to SD and won't be back for awhile. I'm thinking, "fucking booker bullshitted me". I text him asking if Jay was going to be in Vegas on said day I asked for or will she be holed up in SD as I heard"

This post is a great case study for how threads here derail and become largely unproductive.  May could learn something from making it a case study themself.

I spent 45 years managing grown children that would always get into non-relevant pissing contests. Believe it or not,  since retirement, I miss it. So this type of discourse makes me nostalgic and I take comfort that others lives are more pointless than mine. That's what I can take from this thread.  
Be well

This thread was about calling out a particular booker and his/her lying ways.  

While I sympathize, a booker has to handle and verify a ton of messages. They just want to book.

"Yes I know to some extent that's a booker's job"

For noobs reading this thread, the barista analogy is very informative and provides good advice.  Don’t make repeated inquiries without ever actually booking.

But I know why. Because it will be difficult for you to defend the booker. Who - by the way - you claim you agreed was lying in the customers face.  

was a Kmonger?
I read he did party, probably met them in his trips to Paris^^!

It’s now clear that the problem with the  ego problem isn’t the Booker, it’s you.

I never contacted the current VAC booker. How can it be my problem? Lol.

Badger, if we could test drive kgirls, I think no one would care as much about pics being so off.

Here's what hpy said:

99%, I bet there would be at least one guy who would complain!
Kind of like the person in front of the 7/11, and you give him some change, then he asks you for dollars!