The majority of posts here disagreed with your take, yet you seem to believe that there’s a consensus behind your opinion. Still tilting at windmills, I see.
Gents, help me out here.
What motivates and drives a monger to put all kinds of euphemisms in their reviews? Typically this happens when describing a quality one would find negative or average (because for some reason average is looked at as "bad" but that's another story)...
Heres my take on it:
If you're expecting other mongers to read between the lines and infer that -- for example -- "curvy" means fat, some will miss that and will be unhappy. So as a result, your euphmesim can directly fuck up fellow monger bros.
If you think all mongers are capable reading between lines, so then wouldn't all kgirls be capable of doing so as well? So whats the point here, if you were worried about girls feelings they will know it as well as other mongers. It's like trying to encode a message with pig latin as your cipher. Everyone knows it so what's the point of such an obfuscation?
"Professional courtesy" or being a supposed gentleman ? Seems unlikely. This is an anonymous forum/review site, and compared to other review sites of nonerotic nature, there are way more euphemisms here. Even on glassdoor, people often describe their current employees with a lot more direct criticism. And that's their career at stake!
So I don't get the need to obfuscate info that works well as is. Looking for understanding as to why.
Thanks
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I would note that curiously, very positive and glowing reviews barely use any euphemisms. Which of course smells like double standards to me. If you are trying to obfuscate some info, wouldnt it be both ways? How come it is only that qualities that aren't good are obfuscated? Questions, questions.
Also note that it isn't kgirl-specific, but volume for kgirl reviewers is undoubtably higher than for other escorts in this site, especially in my neck of the woods.
...give one example. If you want to state your case you'll have to give more examples.
That's fair.
I find that the most used euphemisms are those that obfuscate looks - both body and face. I have not done any statistical analysis yet, but I probably have enough tools to do such an analysis.
Here are some other commonly used euphemisms.
"Voluptuous" when describing body and not breasts. Common euphemism for big/fat.
"Big boned". Not a euphemism per say but I see it misused in fat situations a lot.
"GND". This is a pet peeve of mine. While I understand that this represents a discrete level, a "girl next door" isn't very descriptive nor informative. It just means she isn't a world-caliber looker. Usually I find these "gnds" to be the type I give 4 to 5-6 score in face department. .
"Green". A lot of times dead fish are called green. Green is when you are new in this line of work and aren't particularly skilled, but still trying your best (or rather, it has no connotation about level of effort, just lack of refined skillet of a vet) . Passively laying and not doing work but providing orifice(s) isn't really "green". Moreover, very few girls actually significantly improve on their skills over time. This hits particularly close to home to me, as I'm all about service.
I will come up with few more, but these are just off the top of my head for now.
and some guys may not even consider "curvy" to be fat. The drop-down list for "Build" has them all, STARTING with curvy. After that, in order, it's "Few Extra Pounds", Flabby and Plus Size. On TER, there are degrees of fat, so a reviewer has some leeway in the use of euphemisms. Positives include Athletic and Slender, so there ARE euphemisms on the positive side.
Likewise, positives for breast appearance include Youthful, Perky and Super-Nice, in addition to the negative euphemisms of flat, droopy and really saggy.
These are the only two items that call for an evaluation by the reviewer, the rest of the physical attributes are just "see and report." Consequently, it's hard to buy into your hypothesis that euphemisms are only used for negative attributes. Maybe it just seems that way to you because they ARE negative.
Now, there may be reviewers who are mislabeling a flabby girl as curvy, but that wasn't your point. Maybe they are loathe to use something stronger than "curvy" even when the situation calls for it, and that is dishonest. There is no way to read between the lines when we are intentionally mislead.
my last two reviews and I didn't use any euphemisms, IMO.
I have used curvy before, but not to mean fat.
I used it to mean figure 8ish, wider hips and larger breasts, mostly MM's on a smaller girl.
Or even a bigger/taller girl.
I just try to use descriptive or maybe they are euphemistic words, but not to deceive anyone.
I also try to add in an explanation of my description if I think it's needed.
My view of these words
Voluptuous - Rubenesque, kind of like Monroe in '59 '60.
Big boned - I'm the only Big Boned person at the incall^^!
GND - to me is a natural type of cute.
Green - never used it, lacking skills would be better.
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But they might be generational since we are if a similar age. I would not use Rubenesque because the artistically illiterate would have to look it up. I use “robust” instead.
I’m going to take exception to your description of “reubenesque “ as “Monroe’59-‘60”.
About as accurate as a typical kgirl ad.
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right to see it that way.
But you should check her in other pics from the movie your pic came from.
And that was the movie I came to that conclusion about Rubenesque.
Check her sitting on the piano near the end of the film!
Also, if this is what you think, I wasn't calling her fat!
Rubenesque/voluptuous are fine with me, had plenty over the years!
My take is that most of this is due to old history, passed along by mongers learning the tribal mores from older mongers.
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Some years ago, euphemisms were considered necessary to avoid LE and bluestocking action when reading sex ads. I won't debate whether that was effective, only observe that it became entrenched standard practice. A secondary reason for it is probably the human impulse to create jargon that demonstrates that one is an "insider" of some tribe. Most of what is considered clear these days was once intended to obscure -- the Monger Acronym Dictionary stuff like "CFS".
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These days most mongers don't really subscribe to the idea that obscurity gives any safety, or any freedom from censure by the aggressively tender-minded, but old habits seem to linger on. It is a continuous mild surprise to me how seldom one sees the word "fuck" used properly in reviews and on this forum, for example.
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Sex acts, etc. But I doubt the Leo's care whether the girl was fat or curvy. Plus, I don't know. The same people have no problems writing in detail the juicy details of a girl they really liked.
I would assume if it's some "old habits diе hard" thing, then the obfuscation would be applied to all reviews, not just ones that are of the "could be better" variety.
you might think they are euphemisms but they might really be the accurate wording (at least to the author). a difference of opinion does not euphemism make.
There's always a line between a difference of opinions and euphemisms. If there wreen't, then you can attribute anything and everything to a difference of opinions.
What I find is that a lot of people do like to use this difference of opinions or "ymmv" to kind of hide behind it. So they indefinitely extend the line as per their convenience. And I also find that a lot of people who I know (not just guess, but know) for a fact are shills, love to do that. I'm not implying anything in regards to you or anyone in the thread, really - just saying that's what they do. Even when confronted about a factually wrong thing, they'll just maintain that it was simply their opinion.
Anyway. There is often a stark difference within the same reviewers, between amount of detail and epithets (or lack thereof) in negative reviews versus positive reviews. Perhaps it's harder to write a negative review than a positive review and use negative epithets, I wouldn't know - hence me asking. Lol.
is not so much differences of opinions as much as perspectives. We all look at women in our own way. Each of us have preferences that may be shared by some, but not all, so it makes perfect sense that we will not all describe women the same way, or more particularly, the same way you would describe them. Trying to insist that descriptions of women that differ from yours are because of some agenda is pure speculation. I think most reviewers call it like they see it, which is often different from the way another reviewer might see it. That's why you can have a girl with a TER average above 8.0 over 100 reviews still get an occasional 5 or 6 for looks or performance. She is not everyone's cup of tea, but this is why the negative reviews are often the outliers and not the positive ones.
The thread was about negative or non-positive reviews in which people use euphemisms to make the negatives appear less harsh.
If one is to go to review sites that review services/products, one will see that many of them don't use these practices. When people give lower ratings they don't hold back punches. They will call a cell phone garbage, they will call a company they work for garbage, and they will call a doctor garbage.
If they thought there were very few redeeming
qualities, people don't hold back.
People do hold back in escort reviews. And I want to know why and what's the reason.
In fact, I believe you yourself have voiced that giving a girl a lower grade is equivalent to "bashing" her. So clearly you believe in holding back criticism in a way that isnt too harsh.
And my question is simply, why?
Is it some kind of compassion because they're women? But women are doctors and professors too and they get rated as doctors and professors just like everyone else.
Is it some kind of compassion because they are doing a tough job?
There is discrepancy here that I find fascinating and I want to figure out the reason. Maybe it's the fear of being BLd, maybe it's some perverted view of gallantry and chivalry.
Again, the review usually isn't a good review in cases of euphemisms. So the monger did have the courage to make a mediocre or worse review. But the need to obfuscate thing isn't explainable to me, especially compared to reviews of other services in the world online. And so far I haven't had a viable explanation yet.
Hell, so far there was only one explanation overall I think - that the obfuscation is a byproduct of old habits.
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people in order to support your manifesto. I said that on MY scale, where 7 is below average, it would be bashing to go any lower, as I feel saying she is below average and not recommended to others is enough to make my point. It doesn't change anything for me to give her a 5 and say she is below average when 7 means the same thing to me and those who follow my reviews.
You should never confuse simple respect for a woman with gallantry or chivalry. Those are on a different level.
What manifesto?
I asked a very simple question that shouldn't be hard to answer.
So, if you say that I confuse "respect for a woman" with gallantry or chivalry, does this mean your answer to my question is, due to respect for a woman?
And if so, why is saying things without a filter any less respectful than euphemisms? I don't get it. If you mean the same thing, why not just say the thing without trying to sugar-coat and use specifically less harsh epithets? Where is the respect lost?
Also, does calling girls fat, whales or ugly on the forum, fit in this concept of "respect for a woman"? Or is it only in reviews that this respect manifests? Please do tell.
Finally, like I said, people don't hold back in reviews of women doctors, chefs, almost any service providers... but do so with sexual service providers. Something isn't adding up here imo. And I'm interested to know why that is. Some of these same people also sometimes don't hold back when saying harsh things about fellow mongers publicly.
As far as you claiming I misquoted you, I didn't. It being your scale or someone else's scale is irrelevant. The point here is that you equated giving a lower score to bashing. Imagine a student arguing that the D grade is the essentially the same (it isn't when GPA is counted though, lol) as an F and giving an F is "bashing" their work. Your grade also always impacts the average grade - just like GPA.
Also I find it weird that you don't want everyone inclusively to get the true assessment of your review - only yourself and those who follow you. But I let it rest on your conscience.
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...of K-girls? Simple - it's because they ARE K-girls. As with other K-mongers, CDL doesn't want to "bash" them so as not to hurt their business. CDL's entire scoring system which is at odds with TER's scoring system is specifically designed not to "bash" K-girls. He gives them a good score but only in the narrative of his review will he deign to say anything barely negative about them. And CDL will blame HIMSELF for the session, rather than the K-girl. He'll do whatever he can because he's "not going to bash her to the point that no one will see her":
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/if-you-are-driving-down-the-----25400?frmSearch=1#25400
K-girls get quite a lot of reviews. CDL's "negative review" may be on the fourth or fifth page of reviews. Does anyone go back that far to check? Even if they do, they'll only see a "7" from CDL. When I read Yelp reviews of businesses, I pay more attention to the one-star reviews than the five-star reviews. And when I write a review of a restaurant I won't blame the shitty food on my taste buds. Apparently that's what CDL will do so as not to bash the restaurant to the point that no one will go there.
The use of euphemisms in reviews are pretty much limited to reviews of K-girls. I have yet to read a review of a non K-girl where the monger is afraid of telling the truth and uses euphemisms because he is concerned that this is the way the provider "makes her living" or that telling the truth without using euphemisms will "run her out of town and make her change her name."
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/if-you-are-driving-down-the-----25400?frmSearch=1#25400
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twice, but it's a good one, so you have my blessing. However, your speculative conclusions are pure BigP bullshit, as always. I, for one, would love to see the CDL restaurant reviews you are talking about, or is that pure bullshit, too?
A monger should always assume at least half the responsibility for failure to make a social connection. There are many factors that go into a connection and it only takes one to ruin it. Mongers are also responsible for bad sessions where they didn't do their homework to make sure the girl's menu was what they were looking for, yet many reviewers blame ANYTHING that goes wrong on the girl. Sometimes it's her fault and sometimes it's not. Only a self-centered asshole would think otherwise.
The topic was more of why people in general use euphemisms and hold back on criticism.
And yes, cdls explanation boils down to "you're gonna get her business killed". Well, what's the difference here? First of all, if youre evaluating a product/service, your goal is to give correct rating, not worry about a business or consequences of your review. If you worry about consequences of your review, you already won't be objective.
Second, if you got food poisoning in a restaurant, why would I care about business closing, if it is and preventing others from getting sick as well?
If he gives exactly the same review but lower scores and girl ends up getting her biz crushed, versus higher score and girls biz is intact, it simply means his review was not convincing enough. I imagine same thing is with euphemisms. They (euphemisms) attempt to convince the reader that it isn't as bad as it actually is. So hence why I think euphemisms are a bad thing because they obfuscate important details and make people see the girl rather than not if euphemism were not used. Hence, they obfuscate the review and keep subpar service offering in biz artificially.
Let's say reader a, b, c read a review filled with euphemisms and cannot get a full picture. They book the girl and are disappointed because the reviews euphemisms obfuscated the reality.
If these readers wouldn't see the girl if the review was not using euphemisms and simply told it as it was, what was the point of using euphemisms in the first place? They obfuscated the review so much they were the difference between seeing the girl and not seeing the girl.
I know a guy who wasn't sure about a girl after reading reviews and saw her, and he was pissed about the euphemisms covering up her actual appearances. He then wrote his own review with no euphemisms, and I think people can guess how that went. Apparently sellers don't like no euphemism reviews. Gee willikers.
Maybe he can even post here to get his perspective on things.
It pretty clear what I think of euphemisms but I want to know why people do them, as they end up hurting mongers and protecting girls.
to play to your narrative. You are talking about "a review", anyone who sees a girl with only one review and no private intel from their own network of buddies to corroborate the review is taking a risk and should consider it the same odds of having a bad session as TOFTT.
rocket CLEARLY stated that he knows a guy who saw a provider "after reading reviews" (PLURAL). Yet you avoided answering rocket's question by playing "gotcha" and pointing to another part of his post where he said "review" rather than "reviews." Why bother replying at all if all you're going to do is nitpick in order to deflect and distract?
rocket simply wants to know "...why people (use euphemisms), as they end up hurting mongers and protecting girls."
Since you won't answer rocket, I will. Rocket, you answered your own question; reviewers use euphemisms in order to protect K-girls. That's it.
That's because he can't answer the question directly.
He has no answer for why fair grading on a site dedicated to GRADING, is considered "bashing". That's like calling teachers failing his/her students "bashing" them. But you see, failing a provider is somehow unethical because apparently they deserve some special treatment.
Newsflash, some providers - like some students - deserve to be failed. And it's not bashing, but rather a cold-hearted evaluation of their job performance.
Have euphemisms helped another monger in reviews ?
But they certainly helped some subpar quality girls escape blame and make money.
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Nowhere did I say the girl only had only one review. I said "I know a guy who wasn't sure about a girl after reading reviews and". Multiple reviews.
You're just making shit up on the spot!
Stop trying to switch the topic. This isn't a topic about private networks or any other garbage.
This is a topic on specifically using euphemisms that end up hurting mongers.
Reviews on this site are to help mongers, not help girls get money. The latter is called indirect advertising. What good do euphemisms do if they obfuscate info and make mongers see who they wouldn't otherwise see if the info wasn't obfuscated?
I dont believe they have.
So why not attempt to get rid of euphemisms in reviews if they only hurt mongers?
That is, if the goal is to help mongers, which I believe is the collective purpose of this review site. NOT to help girls biz, especially those who the reviewer considers of lower quality.
Let's seek to eliminate them in reviews and help out mongers!
(In fact, this applies to anything that doesn't help mongers in any way and only ends up hurting them...it should be eradicated)
If the goal is to actually help others and the community, and not to simply advertise the girl. But if the goal is to advertise ths girl and/or give her business, here's a friendly reminder that you should not be writing reviews or be on this site aside from the "ad" section.
The majority of posts here disagreed with your take, yet you seem to believe that there’s a consensus behind your opinion. Still tilting at windmills, I see.
No one besides Valida brought up even a semblance of argument as to why people do it.
And the reasoning he brought up (habit) is hardly a reason for people to hurt fellow mongers. People in the south also had/have some habits calling certain people certain words. That doesn't make it a good thing or even acceptable.
So again, euphemisms NEVER have helped a fellow monger. There hasn't been a single example in the thread of euphemism ever helping someone.
Yet I've seen countless instances where they hurt a monger.
Why should something that NEVER helped a monger and only hurt mongers, be continued?
Mongers who are content with hurting other mongers all to somehow protect some girl, should stop writing reviews and apply to be ad writers.
As for your windmills, I suggest you stay in your lane and stick to what you do best - snitching.
What you do best?
Lose arguments, declare yourself the winner of said arguments, and then launch ad hominem attacks.
It’s really tiresome and would be better for the board morale if you would occasionally post something helpful.
What argument did I lose?
No one in this thread has provided any good reason as to why euphemisms are used except Valida.
No one gave me a single example of how euphemisms in reviews can be helpful. I gave multiple examples how they can be hurtful to mongers. The only people euphemisms help is girls who are getting weak reviews.
Hence, the resulting outcome is that by using euphemisms, all you do is hurt mongers. And if you care about mongers (and not sellers) , you shouldn't use them.
As far as ad hominems, pretty sure you called me "beta". When you are the one simping for providers and justifying shitty practices that aren't tolerated anywhere else.
And me calling you snitch is not ad hominem. You snitched on me when I gave some real ways to disrupt business. And got my post removed. Pretty sure snitching isnt an "alpha" thing.
I posted many things people consider helpful. Unfortunately if you think mongers are inferior to girls, we always gonna have a problem and you always gonna think nothing I posted was "helpful"
The difference between me and you is that I don't give a single shit if ten girls biz goes belly up, as long as one single monger can avoid a disappointing session. And I will shit on any and all practices that prevents mongers from getting truthful and correct info.
What do I best is champion monger rights and put sellers in their place and let them know their place when they use lies. And I'm not afraid to broadcast it to the whole world.
Euphemisms protect mediocre girls and hurt other mongers. They gotta go if you care about other mongers and not girls feelings. Now.