I don't think he understands the difference between sales business and service business. Maybe when he gets out of community college?
Thank you TER mod for allowing me another thread!
My fave booker is Joann. I met her first at Viola's then like a fan boy, I'm all chips in! I ♥️ Joann!
For about two years, she was the booker for Baykisses org which closed up with C19. SO MUCH AWESOME FUCKING talent rolled through Baykisses; including my Queen.
Joann is now booking for sexyhouse.org (C-Milfs) and now cherrylips.ch. if you're in the Bay Area, show Joann a little love?
My monger brothers from other parts of 'merica, you care to share your fave booker?
YMMV
I mean I definitely have one, I just don't know what her name is. Can I ask her that?
I don't want to poison this beautiful relationship we have going.
Please advise.
-Resident Young Gun
I love kgirls. In order to pass the gate, one must be able to make appointments with the org's booker. There are male and female bookers. Most female bookers are retired RAs.
Some bookers are strictly biZ. Some bookers, like Mrs Alpaca and Joann flirt with me. No shit! Really!!
Anyway, if you get a good vibe from booker, you're welcome to ask his / her name. I'm a full disclosure monger so all parties know my true identity and I'm brother Twoon.
YMMV
expecting to see a drivers license for verification may pose a bit of an issue ...
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the first girl you see from that booker who her booker is.
Sexyhouse is the home of the lovely, and more than a little famous, Luna. She’s been on “vacation” for quite some time now.
Luna and Mimi/Apple were my gotos for sexyhouse.
Quite fun cmilfs.
Joann recommends I check out Mimi. Rocketbro seal of approval?!
👍
YMMV
Yes. Dfk might not be on the table, or might be very ymmv. But if you like big breasts, it is a YES.
She's a milf obviously, but I know you have no issues with that.
Nice touch!
She is no longer "on vacation", she is gone. So is JC. Mimi's still there and as of tomorrow, 5/11, Lala, formerly of Bunnyclub, will be there at the higher K-girl price.
Brother Twoon, may I ask how one learns the name of their booker? The extent of my interactions with bookers have been to ask availability and confirm appointments. Maybe it's different on the WC.
When you meet a booker who is particularly helpful there is a tendency to want to know their name.
I remember one booker whose name I’ve forgotten because I suck at names. I tried to tip him. He asked me not to do that anymore. But then he said he’d love a Snickers bar. Yup. So I used to leave a Snickers bar with the girls he booked for.
But, as you suggest, maybe that only happens out here on the more casual left coast.
Depends if you're an anonymous monger or full disclosure monger. I'm full disclosure. At some point if the vibe is super friendly, I don't believe booker will be offended if you ask her / his name.
YMMV
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a little ways up the thread. I ask the first girl I'm seeing from that booker, then after that, I always start my appointment requests with "Good morning, xxxxxxx, I would like to request . . . . ."
Do you feel as though there's any benefit to knowing the booker's name? I'd think you'd endear yourself more to them by booking more sessions or leaving tips/gifts for them.
them by name when booking, or when reporting a problem. In any business relationship, the sweetest sound most people can hear is someone else saying their name. It makes them feel important. So I make sure that the booker knows that I know who they are, and that they know my first name and telephone number. I do it in my own RL business, too. I just think its a courtesy that is appreciated in a business setting. Remember that the girls come and go, but you will be dealing with the booker for the duration of your hobby career, so its good to maintain a professional, but cordial relationship.
As far as gifts and tipping, I mostly show my appreciation by booking mostly 2-hour sessions. All repeats are 2-hours. New girls are one hour the first time. They do the same work booking two hours as they do one, but they get twice as much money. They LOVE 2-hour customers. Keeping you volume up with a few select bookers is another way to show appreciation. Most of my sessions are divided among 4 bookers, and these are the ones that I will give a gift card or cash envelope to at Christmastime. If I'm averaging two girls a month or less with a booker, my two-hour repeat sessions is all the thank-you's I need to do, IMO.
+1
I'm in sales and I can recall hearing two pieces of advice --) the first is that people like to be addressed by their name and FUCK, I forgot the second...
YEMV
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the two RULES I require of all of my salespeople . . . .
1. Treat everyone the same. (The small customer may become your biggest customer a few years from now unless he goes somewhere else because you're not making him feel important.)
2. Always do what you say you will do. (Its important to keep your word even if you made a bad deal. Just don't make very many of them or you'll be out of a job.)
Perhaps you could run your point 1,which I completely agree with by the way, by bookers and orgs.
Because newbies aren't treated the way vip mongers are treated. The gap is rather gargantuan.
I wouldn't have a competitive edge. I will admit that with this strategy, I'm in the minority when it comes to customer service. Most businesses, including Kgirl agences, do not have the patience or vision to adopt a policy like this and I don't blame the agencies. Each morning they wake up not knowing how much longer they will be able to operate their business, so what's the use of having a ten-year plan to groom future VIP's?
In Kgirl-land, you need to establish yourself as a VIP BEFORE you get treated like one. Unless your budget only allows one or two visits a month, its not that hard to do. The mistake most guys make is they dilute their VIP potential by patronizing too many agencies. If you concentrate on 1-3 agencies (depending on how much volume you do), you can become a VIP very quickly. Once a booker starts treating you like a VIP, you can dial back the volume without losing your VIP status. I was patient and methodical in my approach in the beginning, and it has more than paid off over the long term.
There a few bookers I haven't patronized in three or four months, but if I text for an appointment, I will be treated the same as I was a few years ago when I was doing two or three a week with them. When they know what your "potential" is from past example, you will always be treated well regardless of your current volume with them. They know that "this" girl could be the one that makes you a regular and you start coming again weekly or better.
CDL, I asked you to run your philosophy by them, not to explain why they currently don't abide by it.
And I certainly didn't ask you for a primer on how to make yourself a vip.
Customer equality, mongers rights and so forth are closely related. A certain monger who advertises girls and girl lineups on internet, puts up glowing fake reviews when the girls ask him to, etc may walk and no PO will think of blacklisting him. A regular Joe off the street tho? He will get blacklisted for walking. Especially if its his first time with the org.
So, once again, please run your philosophy by them. Maybe they'll have an epiphany.
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apparently needs it, why don't YOU run it by them? I thought I made it clear that I'm happy with the status quo and my own relationship with the bookers I deal with. YOU are the one whining, not me. There's a lot to be said for taking the initiative yourself instead of waiting for someone else to do it. That's how people become successful in life. Just a thought.
You originally came on this board bragging what a tough cookie you are with orgs, but we haven't seen anything to suggest that is true. This wimp-out just supports that impression. If you like the way I run my business, I thank you for the compliment, but if you want me to tell the orgs they should adopt the practices I use when I just said I don't think its a fit because of the transient nature of the sex industry, then it should be your head you bang against the wall and not mine. If I thought a suggestion like this would be workable for them, I would have suggested it long ago, but they SIMPLY don't consider it practical to do something today that will result in more business years down the road. Given the nature of the industry, I don't see why that is so hard for you to understand. If you have the financial depth to become a VIP with a booker, you can do it today. They really don't care about the potential you may have for several years from now like a legitimate LEGAL business would.
If you do decide to promote this to the Kgirl bookers, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for an "epiphany" from an escort operation when can't seem to find an epiphany of your own. You are consistently on the wrong side of almost every issue that comes up on this board. AND, you are the only one who has 30% disappointing sessions. Connect the dots, my friend.
Seems to capture the moment/direction
Perfect soundtrack choice.
I’ll have to let you guys lead the charge, though. I can only respond to your posts. And I intend to keep it that way.
I have responded as far as I’m going to go on this topic earlier. In that response I said some of what CDL says above. Essentially that we have to own our own experience. Nobody can do that for us. And nobody an take the blame when it doesn’t go well either, if we haven’t first tried our best.
Have fun, folks!
Hey, you're the one who brags about golfing with bookers. I don't talk to bookers besides scheduling an appointment, and I'm not planning to.
I thought that if you believed in something and bragged about it, you'd at least attempt to run it by people who influence your hobby, when you're golfing and social interacting with them. I guess I was wrong. I still commend you believing that at least your customers should all be equal.
Nice fallacy at the end of your post, tho.
I'm absolutely FINE with the people who run my hobby. You are the one looking for changes, so YOU should be the one to suggest them. I'm perfectly satisfied with everything in MY hobby world staying just like it is. But my disappointment rate is less than 5%, so its apples and oranges to compare our respective hobby experiences. You should do whatever it is that you think will improve your own experiences, with the caveat that you don't fuck it up for the rest of us. Lol
How don't I get it? I get it perfectly.
I just thought if you feel strongly about the concept of
"Treat everyone the same." so much you REQUIRE it of your salespeople, you also could run it by bookers.
Apparently not and I thought wrong. That's all. Don't need to get so riled up about it.
Me, well, yeah, if I think such concept is paramount, I think it should be applied to every facet in life. And shouldn't be cherry picked. But that's another story.
Every time I read one of his posts it becomes clearer why he's constantly talking about the risk of being black-listed by the Orgs. Something tells me we're not the only folks in the hobby that he doesn't get along with.
Oh, and I love his advocacy for socialism in the hobby! Yeah, that'll work in a personal services industry where status is dependent upon tipping and repeating.
Treating all customers the same is apparently
socialism.
LOL.
Hear that cdl, you're teaching socialism to your salespeople!
I get it, all people should be treated equally but some people should be treated more equally than others.
Little fella, as a Constitutional Law professor explained to my classmates and me 43 years ago, "We're all born equal. What you do or become after that is on you." Apparently you, young rocket-fella, haven't retained your equality very well. Luckily, if you would listen to and learn from the more experienced K-mongers here (not me; I'm a relative K-newbie) you can still improve your status. Give it a try.
You have put up a post that is just too stupid for EVEN ME to respond to. Congrats!
it was dcgrind who called me calling for equal treatment of customers - something you were proud of advocating to your salespeople - "socialism".
So please address your issues to him.
You have a reading comprehension fail.
I don't think he understands the difference between sales business and service business. Maybe when he gets out of community college?
One would think that if someone was worried about a particular risk they’d actually study it and the ways that other people mitigate that risk.
I’m still chuckling over the idea of a socialist k-org. Would they have programs to increase access for those with fewer resources, too, I wonder? The possibilities are endless!
If I walk on my first appointment with an agency they won't have to BL me, It will be me BL'ng them. What do you not understand about this?
Conversely, if I am a regular customer of an Agency and I get the rare "clunker" from them, it will be me giving them a second chance after I walk on the appointment, NOT them giving me the pass.
Do you guys in the Bay Area have such tiny little balls that you can't get the whole buyer/seller dynamic?
GaG, I wasn't asking how you would behave in this situation.
The main point here is that someone who is seeing this agency for the first time will have far shorter leash and if he walks on first, and max on first two, appointments, he will be BLd. Not the case for VIP mongers or "insiders" as useyrhead calls it.
That's great that you'd BL them, but that isn't the point.
The point of contention here is how they treat you as a first timer versus a vip monger as a customer. NOT how you may or may not respond to being treated that way. Makes sense? How you respond to this unequal treatment is not relevant to this discussion. How your dissatisfaction will make you not choose them is also irrelevant.
This discussion stemmed literally from cdl saying "treat everyone the same". And I said, yeah that'd be nice.
Let me put it differently with an analogy.
If a black person walks into a restaurant and he's denied service because he's black, he can BL the restaurant himself and walk out and never come back.
But it is clearly irrelevant to the question of whether or not he was treated equally to others.
I don't care if it's the first time or the fiftieth time. If a bunch of spineless jellyfish want to take a second or even third chance on a shitty agency, that's on them, not on me.
I've been trying to say this nicely, but your entire fucking premise is bullshit. Who the fuck cares about getting BL'd from a shitty agency. It's incumbent on them to win my business, not the other way around, and that doesn't apply just to K-Girls or even pussy in general. People treat us the way we train them to treat us. Take you for example, you have trained most of the board to argue with you endlessly over the smallest fucking issue while I just tell you that you are full of shit and move on. like I am about to do again right now. YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT ON THIS SUBJECT, good bye. lol
You should really re-read my analogy.
The point here is we were talking about treating everyone the same.
Your point about bl'ing them yourself is completely and utterly irrelevant to the discussion.
And no, it's never on the black person for being treated worse than some others. And it's never on the newbie to have been treated worse than vip mongers.
If you walk, then either both newbie and vip monger get BLd, or neither. That's the way EQUALITY would work. Whether or not the newbie or the VIP monger BL the orgs later, is irrelevant to the discussion.
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Argue this bullshit with some one else.
See how fucking easy that is?
Now piss off
I'm going to ignore the insult.
I still think you should reread the analogy. Equal treatment of customers does not relate to response of others to the lack of such treatment.
In a fucking pigs eye I do. lol
Please pay more attention to the insult, I am NOT going to debate this issue to death with you. Sometimes there is one and only one person who "gets it" while everyone else does not. This is NOT one of those times. I have attempted to reason with you but everyone who has read this, and every other thread on this subject has seen how far logic has gotten me, so now I am simply going to ridicule you until you give up trying to "debate" this subject with me.
OR if you prefer, I could quit talking to you altogether like others on this board have done? Your choice.
We’ve only been hearing about issues from some newcomers. Hopefully, they too will learn soon.
If only someone could break through and get the little rocket-boy to learn. He keeps advocating fantasyland theories and expectations, even when experienced guys try to help him. It's no wonder he has all these black-list problems.
I completely agree.
I have found that, in many cases, just scheduling one two hour appointment is all it takes.
I still don’t believe that the service any of us get - including those of us who regularly book 2 hour sessions - is anything like a VIP status. That exists. But most of us have never experienced it. It’s more like having the lowest status with an airline. They know you’re a good customer so they make some effort to recognize your loyalty when you fly with them. So, to me, it’s just a “good customer” status. Nothing more.
Still, I know that there are some people really invested in the belief that people other than them get some mythical VIP treatment. And if that’s what they need to believe, that’s cool with me.
I just think that belief is based on an outlook that denies individual responsibility for the treatment we get from both orgs and girls. I’ve simply found that anybody that really wants to can get a better experience with both orgs and girls if they’re willing to own and modify their behavior to maximize that experience.
It doesn’t really even require booking two hour sessions. That just makes it simpler and easier. Look at Gaga. He seems to get treated pretty well without going down the frequent 2 hour session route.
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I don't know why I didn't think of it sooner, but unless you're on a first name basis with the booker, becoming a VIP simply through repeat visits implies that they're keeping track of the frequency of your visits. From an information security perspective, this is a worrying thought.
It's more than just tracked by using a simple counter of visits.
Your number is also often put into a system and any relevant notes on you will be added to it. If one girl bls you, for example, they need some way to track it easily.
Think of it as a mini reverse review/note database of clients. They can look up each successful visit, each problem that arose, etc etc. And can and do share it with other orgs and bookers.
Not everyone does it and not for every number.
Tbh tho, I don't have much of an issue here. We track the girls, they track the customers. Fair enough to me. As long as they don't track our personal info, I think it's fair game.
Quickly begin to recognize phone numbers of repeat callers. No names required.
But having your first name and a list of the girls you have seen is actually a benefit to you. As many other VIP mongers have experienced, a booker that keeps track of who you see KNOWS what your "type" of Kgirl is, and they will often recommend new girls that are a perfect match to the types of girls in your individual history. I have even had cases where I would ask for a specific new girl, and the booker will tell me, "I don't think you will like her, she's not your type." In several cases, I went ahead and saw her anyway, and ended up regretting it, so I view tracking my history as a plus, not a minus. The booker can give me better service, which in turn leads me to give him more business. Having the booker as an additional filter to get me to the girls I'm going to like decreases the percentage of disappointing sessions I will have each year.
Not in sales but I'm pretty sure the second bit of advice was don't forget the first bit; or that people really hate it when you forget their name 
Have found the bookers in the DMV area to be good generally speaking, especially Erica at Discreet Story. Very professional, and seems genuinely interested in keeping her customers happy. Tip of the hat to her!
BayBunnies (Brazilian) org PO Michelle openly lists her name.
[OK, OK, not a K-Girl org. Sue me.]
And from comments here, it seems that K-org bookers in LA advertise their names, often a single letter. But I have no direct knowledge.
Sadly, they aren’t accepting new clients at this time. I am very fond of Brazilian girls. So, when and if they open up, this will be a great (non kgirl) possibility.
The Bgirls are $400/hr donation? At $240 or $250 / hr donation for us Bay Area monger$, kgirls are such a deal!!!!
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If it’s all about the deal for some, that’s cool. But different experiences have different costs sometimes. It’s a simple matter of budgeting and preference.
Did I mention I ♥️ Joann?!
YEMV
very happy for you until she shakes you down for $15,000. LOL Actually, I hope this never happens to you. Love with a Kgirl is fleeting. Enjoy it while you can, brother.
Joann is my booker; Kun Gumiho is my lover and she did recently try to shake me down for ten large +. And when I refused, she cut me off...
But good fortune smiles on your brother Twoon; Sophie, formerly Tessa, up soon...
TER ID # 355049
When one door closes, another opens...
Opportunity passes by your door daily; but only knocks once...
YEMV
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Twoon, I apologize for leading your thread astray, brother.
Love you Rocketbro!
The bookers do keep track of us mongers. And there are VIP mongers. I'm not interested but it's been offered up. You know how I'd prefer no strings / cables....
YEMV
You were wise to turn that down.
It’s a scam.
pragmatic outlook on the business. That's the way to not ever have you heart broken or you wallet lightened. Lol
what refusing the 10K gets you, the next time this happens, tell her, "Sure baby, I can get you ten grand, but I have to sell some stocks and it will take two weeks for them to pay me. Meanwhile, you probably want to spend this weekend with me so that you can keep an eye on me while I'm putting the money together for you, right?" You don't want me hanging out with someone else with all that money on its way, do you?" You can guess where this is going, but as you already learned when she first asked for the money, you knew you were going to get dumped, so why not have a great weekend with her first OTC? For two nights hotel room, and meals for the weekend, you can get about $5000 worth of Kgirl pussy. You won't get BL'd be the org, only by her, because she will be too embarrassed to tell anyone you flipped the con on her.
This is something you can get really good at with practice. There are many veterans here who have flipped the con with a Kgirl. It teaches them a lesson about reaping what you sow.
Cue Queen's 'Play The Game'....
No magic tricks. No illusions. Nothing up my sleeve. No presto changeo...
I don't have it in my heart my Pied Piper brother.
It's like drinking poison and hoping she gets sick...
I'd prefer to teach her the lesson of compassion and forgiveness. Prolly lost on her but helps me close this chapter of my Kun Gumiho diaries...
YEMV
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I admire your generous attitude with a girl that tried to scam you. Most guys, including me, would not find that a forgivable sin. You're a better man than me. Lol
Especially since you know exactly how I have dealt with that exact same scam in the past. lol
Personally, after being around this game as long as I have, I wouldn't even blame the girl for scamming me if I were stupid enough to fall for it. I'd simply blame myself for being dumb. No one with as much experience as us has any business whining about our own stupidity if we ever were to get scammed by a hooker. There are only so many scams, most of the so called new scams are simply variations of the old ones. Personally I haven't seen any scams I could truly call "new" in years.
Take a guess who called today asking me for a date?
Yup, Kun Gumiho misses me so much! But don't forget to bring $250 donation...
YEMV
Did you tell her that you were already booked with someone else?
Don't be such a cheap slut. Play a LITTLE hard to get. Make her beg. Lol
Hasn't she cut you off a few times now? I guess she's reliable in that respect.
Here's another one... Sophie formerly Tess.
Went from no rules to rules?!
Can service improve when changing orgs?!
YEMV
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Attitude is part of the equation that makes for a good GFE session. If a girl is unhappy with her booker, then a change sometimes gives them a new perspective and better attitude. Girls often find out their booker is skimming their customers for other girls, and they get really pissed. Their service may go down a little while they are looking for another place to work. After they make the change, things are back to normal.
Rejoice and happy Friday my monger brothers!
My Queen joins sexyhouse.org crew starting Monday May 10. Her rate is $260 / hr and prebook is recommended as she's not my Queen for nothing...
YEMV
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Once upon a time, a long time ago, there was a village in Austria called 'Hamelin'. The city council had a rat problem...
One day along came a man with a magic flute. He called himself the Pied Piper. He offered up to the city council to get rid of ALL the rats in the village for 100 pieces of gold. The city council agreed thinking the Pied Piper could not pull off this magic trick...
The next morning, the Pied Piper played his magic flute and ALL the rats came out of hiding and followed him out of town. He led them to the nearby river where they all drowned.
The Pied Piper was a man of his word and held up his part of the bargain. That night he went to the city council to collect his gold. They were not honorable men and cheated him by only paying him 50 gold pieces. NO, the Pied Piper exclaimed! A deal is a deal!
The city council sent him on his way.
The next morning, the Pied Piper played his magic flute around town. Instead of the rats this time, ALL of the children in the village followed him out of town never to be seen again. It is rumored that the Pied Piper sold all the children of the Hamelin village into slavery...
And thus came the saying 'The Piper Must Be Paid'....
The End
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I always thought the moral of that story is that bait and switch is bad, and greed causes problems.
If they just gave Piper what they'd promise him, he wouldn't fuck with their kids.
Also, never trust a man with a magic flute.
I’d catch them by the dozen for me!
Then I’d lock them up in my house,
And all the girls would belong to me.
If all the girls belonged to me,
I’d barter them for sugar,
And give that sugar straightaway
To the one who pleased me most.
And if she were to give me a tender kiss.
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK0y0hH1Kyk
is important. "Always do what you say you will do." Even if you make a bad deal, you have to eat it to maintain your integrity. (You will learn quickly not to make bad deals - Lol)