Most people on here have seen dozens if not hundreds of kgirls. Sure, having highly unrealistic expectations will not help you. But in majority of cases people can classify their experiences and differentiate between them. An average session will never "ruin" your session, but you probably wouldn't want to repeat it. Think about steaks you've ever eaten. There might be a two dollar steak, which is ruining your meal... but on average, you've had some average steak. Did it ruin your meal? No, but it's also nothing spectacular to write home about. You don't say to others "oh boy I wish I can go right now and get some of this steak which is painfully average". You might be happy after the meal, but it wasn't likely because of quality of steak, you might be happy that you're not hungry anymore. And there's nothing you can really do besides buying some other steak elsewhere.
That still does not make average steak any less average.
And as far as "does have good things to say about the experience when pushed but seem to only be focusing on one thing they didn't like."...human psychology makes it so a loss or bad experience is twice as important in magnitude in people's brains as an equal win or good experience. If you have a barrell of crap and then replace half of it with honey, it will still be a barrell of crap.
And even if you have a barrell of honey and you only place several spoonfuls of crap, it will also become a barrell of crap. People are sensitive to things that annoy them or make them uncomfortable, especially since they paid a sizeable amount of money for it.
A lot of HYA talk, under 30 or mid 20's and if not, the Kgirl is classified as too old!
Guys get too hung up on age, it's just a number!
I've said it before if she looks good and has good service, I don't care what the age is and that started for me when I was a teenager!
The other is looks. We all want the perfect looking Kgirl for our individual tastes and likes!
Who doesn't?
I'm just sayin' IMO, you ruin your own session when you pick it apart!
Enjoy the moment with what you have, not what you don't have!
No need to bring up that we're paying, it's been discussed!
Also, fake and overly PS'd pics, all talked about.
It all boils down to with the chatter I've picked up on and complaints about the Kgirl scene, it sounds like the guys are not enjoying themselves!
So, bottom line, are you enjoying what you have or do you ruin your sessions?
We used to talk about managing expectations/emotions, not holding unrealistic expectations and not having inflexible expectations as a way to have better experiences. Flexibility is a life skill and realizing the old sayings about honey versus vinegar, being overly critical and not seeing the good and the like are actually good life rules and so hold here as well.
I try to have very soft and (lacking a better way to put it) expansive set of expectations going in and then try to focus on what is working or most appealing to me about the lady. I do think some have very inflexible expectations and if they are disappointed they cannot let go of that disappointment.
Like you've I have seen enough bad reviews or complaining about some session where the guy actually does have good things to say about the experience when pushed but seem to only be focusing on one thing they didn't like. Why they could not have focused on the positives they acknowledge were present I'm not sure.
Good post, thanks!
Flexibility, great way to put it, being a life/learned skill as I've seen some of the older Gents talk about it on the boards, understand the best way to get the most out of Mongering within the Kgirl scene!
Being an older Gent myself, I approach the Kgirl world in the same way and 90/95% of the time my sessions have been very good to really great!
It seems that it's mostly younger guys, IMO, that need to learn how to maneuver through and understand the P4P world, flexibility could be the key!
Most people on here have seen dozens if not hundreds of kgirls. Sure, having highly unrealistic expectations will not help you. But in majority of cases people can classify their experiences and differentiate between them. An average session will never "ruin" your session, but you probably wouldn't want to repeat it. Think about steaks you've ever eaten. There might be a two dollar steak, which is ruining your meal... but on average, you've had some average steak. Did it ruin your meal? No, but it's also nothing spectacular to write home about. You don't say to others "oh boy I wish I can go right now and get some of this steak which is painfully average". You might be happy after the meal, but it wasn't likely because of quality of steak, you might be happy that you're not hungry anymore. And there's nothing you can really do besides buying some other steak elsewhere.
That still does not make average steak any less average.
And as far as "does have good things to say about the experience when pushed but seem to only be focusing on one thing they didn't like."...human psychology makes it so a loss or bad experience is twice as important in magnitude in people's brains as an equal win or good experience.
If you have a barrell of crap and then replace half of it with honey, it will still be a barrell of crap.
And even if you have a barrell of honey and you only place several spoonfuls of crap, it will also become a barrell of crap. People are sensitive to things that annoy them or make them uncomfortable, especially since they paid a sizeable amount of money for it.
whether you see the cup as half empty (pessimist) or half full (optimist). In other words, some mongers will whine and complain about the minor details of a girl who was willing to get naked with them and make them ejaculate for money with no strings attached, and others will find joy and fulfillment in this type of service, even though it MIGHT NOT BE PERFECT. As I look at the names on this BOARD (not just this thread), it's easy to see who the optimists and pessimists are from their collective comments and reviews over the years.
The optimists are stockpiling irreplaceable memories to look back on with fondness in their old age, and the pessimists are adding to their long list of complaints to remind them of how miserable and disappointing their lives were. When you get too old to do this anymore, as all of us will eventually become, which one would you rather be?
If only there was a way to express the degree of satisfaction. Let's say a 10 if it's perfect, 9 close to perfect, a five if average (decent but probably no repeat) and 2 really, really bad, and so on...
OH wait! We do have it already! It's called ter rating scale!
And I doubt that anyone is ever expecting everything to be perfect. But inability to issue criticism is a problem.
BTW, badger, the real reason younger mongers complain more is that they have more opportunity cost. This isn't a slight to the old, but let's face it - when you're 60+, 30 and 20 year old girls are only ever gonna get with you for the money. Younger folks have more options. And if you're 25 and have certain expectations and meet a girl twice your age... a lot people aren't going to be thrilled. Some people literally can't get an erection with someone they aren't attracted to.
Only unreasonable people expect perfection. The reasonable concerns that detract from an experience are when the pics are inaccurate and when you get someone better suited to be in an AMP rather than an AAMP. Even an extreme apologist can't excuse a dead fish or GPS experience.
If you do your research before you choose. Anyone who gets a terrible session either TOFTT (in which case you are knowingly accepting such risks), was lazy about research, or doesn't know what they are doing. I still do TOFTT, and yes, you can get some terrible results, but finding that diamond in the rough that nobody else knows about yet makes it all worth it, IMO. Others may disagree.
As far as I can tell, this topic isnt about avoidance, but about MITIGATION of disappointment.
So your comment is close to irrelevant imo. We aren't discussing how to avoid a mediocre or average session, we are discussing our responses to having a mediocre or average session and dealing with disappointment when you do get it.
But as a side note, is there evidence of these "terrible results" by you somewhere in public d0main?
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Thanks for the participation!
As to perfection, that's what IMO, some of the posts and chatter are about. Now, these are on a couple of different sites.
This is one example: The guys give a laundry list of what they are looking for and ask someone to point them in the right direction.
IMO, these are unreasonable requests
Also, quite a few start, and end the post with, I need to get cleared first!
IMO, before they can even book a session, they are setting themselves up to ruin their session!
As far as the pics, I said no need to bring them up, this post is from a different angle.
I've had enough sessions where it's not the Kgirl, but the one behind the door was just as good looking or better!
And with me it's almost always the pic that draws me in!
At first it bothered me that the pics were not accurate, but the Kgirl at the incall was good looking so for me it was a score!
Along with good service, IMO, a win, win situation!
I'm not excusing anything, when the looks and/or service are bad, it goes in the review.
I have told Bookers that a B&S move or lie was not the way to do business and have walked on Orgs that have done that with me!
Badger, you do understand that many people have different preferences and likes and turn-offs?
There's a monger I know who hates any fake tits. He has left early many times SOLELY on the basis of tits being fake, and he has even walked when ads said they were natural but they weren't.
Now, most of mongers, me included, wouldn't care much if tits were fake as long as everything else is great. But he does. It's one of the most important things for him.
So here's my question, badger. Who am I... or who are you, to dare to tell him that he's "ruining his sessions"? He has his prerogatives. And in most cases, it's not his fault as he chose someone who was claimed to have real tits.
This is the equivalent of a vegan person going to a restaurant, ordering a vegan dish and then getting a meatloaf. Vegan person gets upset and you ask him, why are you ruining your meal, dude? Why u upset? Just be happy and eat up! Do you think you have a right to say this? I don't. You have zero rights to say this. You don't get to say what he likes and what makes him happy. Only he does.
Not only do you effectively place the blame on the customer in an instance it should be placed on the seller/server, you make him feel guilty for his preferences and likes and dislikes.
Going back to your "laundry list" example, it's nothing out of the ordinary. Someone with strong likes and dislikes will like to weed out girls he won't like in any circumstance. Be it fake tits, heavy ink, lots of metal, mommy damage or whatever else you can think of that people have strong opinions of. "Laundry list" is usually used by someone who has too much choice and would like to narrow it down based on his preferences.
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A bit depressing that the one's who seem unable to understand the point you were making are the ones who feel the need to comment the most and to correct your "mistakes".
The OP was never about excusing anything or suggesting that some peoples tastes/preferences were a problem and should be changed more to what Badger's are. Why at some continuing to argue what he meant rather than trying to understand what the point was -- or simply acknowledge that they don't get it and move on to something they do get.
Since it is clearly a needling of me, I will respond.
I will always reply to and dispute with anyone who tries to make claims that mongers are responsible for bad or mediocre sessions themselves.
Girls and orgs and expectations they foster purposefully to make money, are responsible for far, far more "ruined sessions" to the point the instances where mongers do ruin their own sessions, nearly negledgible.
No sane monger expects anyone to be perfect. Most mongers compare either sessions not to the ideal they have in their head, but real, tangible OTHER kgirls they've had in the past, sometimes as recently as an hour before.
The claim that mongers want perfection is bogus. And I respect badger but I cannot agree with this, and I think his claim tend to blame mongers and absolve blame of girls and orgs. And you know me, I will be there if anyone tries to absolve providers/sellers of rightful blame.
Thank you, Jensen!!
"The OP was never about excusing anything or suggesting that some peoples tastes/preferences were a problem and should be changed more to what Badger's are."
I did not say this, at all.
I said that the dumb optimist concept of "when life gives you lemons make lemonade" and similar sayings doesn't work if you're so allergic to lemons you may throw up while even looking at them.
Many mongers have such specific tastes that they cannot enjoy something that is the opposite of what they enjoy, no matter what.
If someone is so anti-fake boobs that they're willing to walk on even the most exquisite pair of MMS, he is never going to "enjoy what he has". And any attempt to make one enjoy what he has willl be futile. And any claims that he's ruining the sessions himself are dishonest. No, there are specific people to point fingers at here, and it's never the monger.
Blaming the monger for being glass half empty is idiotic. There, I've said it. Not only that, these blames tend to, even if it's indirectly, absolve the blame from where it actually needs to be placed.
And let me reiterate - people rating the kgirls compare ethem to other kgirls, not some epitome of perfection unicorn that doesn't exist. If they know they could've gone to another kgirl and received a much better session, of course they are disappointed. It's opportunity cost.
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You are correct that age is just a number. So is height, weight and cup size ... etc. I don't think that it is judge on the geriatric, but a indicator tool of what to expect. For example, if the ad reads, weight 100 lbs. and you are met with a 300 lbs. girl, would you feel misled? I certainly have no bias towards my horizontally challenged queens. We all have to lose a bit of weight after covid; I agree with the half empty or half full reasoning, but it still sucks, even with my chin up that I was misled.
you turn around and walk back out. Problem solved. No booker is going to BL you for passing on a girl that is THREE TIMES the weight advertised. Is it possible you know this already, and you are just being overly dramatic by exaggerating in your example? Lol
or wanted!
This is for the individual to figure out why they are still Mongering within the Kgirl scene!
With all the complaints about fake pics, cost, lies, unscrupulous Orgs, 300 lb providers and anything else that bothers them, why not move on to greener pastures!
A lot of chatter about leaving P4P, why not follow through and leave!
I just wonder why someone would keep touching the hot stove and getting burned!
It might cool down in the future, but for now it is burning you!
Once again, this is for the individual to think about, not answer!
Especially, with things that have been brought up again and again and again!
Thank you CDL, the half full, half empty glass is a good way to break down the outlook of different Mongers!
It is also up to an individual to decide if they're actually ruining their sessions by complaining or picking it up apart or whatever.
This topic reads "you are ruining your sessions" though. Not a question, but rather a statement. I don't agree at all.
Read the last line in the post.
I read it, and I also read the line that says
"IMO, you ruin your own session when you pick it apart"
Girls and orgs and Pos and the advertising involved in the biz ruin far, far more sessions than mongers themselves.
I’m a cup half full guy, so I have to say that even when a kgirl’s looks didn’t meet my expectations and she was standoffish or inexperienced, I usually got some bbbj and managed to get off one way or another! Even an overall 6-7 session left me reasonably satisfied! Rarely a reason to bitch too much! I do remember one non-kgirl session where he provider seemed 30 years older than advertised and 50 pounds heavier, but I soldiered through and wrote an accurate and low review with more harsh criticism. She went beyond the usual minor stretch of the truth!Uuggh, I shudder to think of that!