Wrong post, sorry.
Not sure if this question is pertinent to all but seems to me that J-Girls ask, and I assume get, a premium compared to K-Girls and I'm not sure why.
I certainly find a number of Japanese very attractive, but my personal experience is that the Japanese providers in my area, on average, are not as attractive as the Korean providers on average. Moreover, I've not really found level or performance/service as good with Japanese as with Korean. Yet the J-Girls here seem to command a clear premium in base rate over the K-Agency girls. Some J-girls (or the C-Agency) then also seem to have a steeper up charge for BB than is true for the K side (though here I'm perhaps wrong as I don't seek that out).
I don't really get it. Particularly when you look at what's going on with exchange rates. But maybe they are all planning on staying here, send no money home and so repatriating their earning to Japan at very attractive rates is perhaps unimportant.
This also doesn't seem to be a local phenomena as when I look at the Toronto scene I see a similar picture. J-providers there charging a higher based rate, and some a higher fee for BB, than the K-providers (and generally for that matter the C-providers). Often this base premium is even at the same agency. But the ads for the J-girls there seem just like what I've experienced here.
Could it be due to the fact that for many years Japanese providers in the agencies was an extremely rare thing to find so there was some latent demand present and we're just seeing some type hysteresis in the pricing for some reason? Is it perhaps something to do with the pricing structure? The C-agency that brought the Japanese into the area was the only one offering 30 minute sessions, or perhaps I should say advertising those sessions? Is it some type of spill over from the Japanese being more open about BB offering, in that they seemed to be advertising that before most/any of the local K-Agencies were that I noticed. Is it the JAV tie-in perhaps? Is this about age? I do think that the average age to the J-girls I've seen is closer to the younger end of the K-girls that tour here than to the average age.
I don't quite get it.
But, please don't take this as me saying all the J-Girls are plain/unattractive/average in looks and body and mediocre in performance. I'm sure that more than the one I saw and enjoyed enough to repeat exists and that the other four I I had no interest in seeing again are representative of the average. I just don't know. But even the one I liked I didn't see as superior to my average K-girl experience and so deserving of some premium to the going rate at the K-Agencies.
I am not sure where are you located. Recently, I have seen two Japanese ladies in Los Angeles,overall the service of these two ladies are better than the Kgirls that I have experienced, and the rate is also better with flat rate no up charge. One lady, Yoco provided the best service that I have experienced.
My sample is quite small so I couldn't tell for other Japanese girls. Regarding look, some Kgirls are mediocre, some are very young and pretty. So it really depends on individual girl. Because of relatively limited number of Japanese girls compared to large number of Kgirls, it's really difficult to have an objective comparison.
I have also seen some Chinese girls before seeing Kgirls. The feeling is generally same as Kgirls, some are young and pretty, and some are not so good.
Glad to hear that was the case for you. Feel free to drop a hint they might want to come see Washington DC while they are in the States 
I think you're right that the relative numbers in LA are really skewed towards K-girls compared to J-girls. I'm in the DC area and for the past couple of years there have been enough J-girls at the place that seem to have the monopoly (figuratively) on them has brought the ratio from unicorn levels (I can recall 1 J-girl at an agency here before) to perhaps 30% of the market. And when I was using that agency I generally didn't have issues getting a session setup. But after a 1 in 5 "yes, I would repeat with her" track record I decided not to give them more money. Perhaps they got their QA department straightened out but given the banter on the boards I would not have thought to.
Anyhow, a bit of a mystery to me still.
about WLA, chair in the shower Yoco?
My understanding is she is Korean and worked in Japan.
Who is the other girl you saw?
Yes, I saw Yoco at WLA, awesome service. I don't know she was Korean but whether she is Korean or Japanese is the least thing that I care about. The other girl I saw was not as good as Yoco so not much to talk about.
I am an equal opportunity monger. I have been seeing Yoco since she arrived in USA and don't care if she is K or J, just whether she meets my criteria for looks and service. Which she does. One world, one race - the human race.
and their pricing compared to Kgirls.
You talked about two Jgirls and the one you named, Yoco, as giving better service than the Kgirls you saw.
I was pointing out that the chatter I picked up on and my own sessions with Yoco that she just might not be Japanese!
I met her a few years ago and saw her a couple of months back.
I never said anything negative about her service, IMO, no one can!
I may not know definitively which country their from, but I always know what language they speak. Even if it's a Korean girl who speaks Japanese, unless she's close to fluent, it'll come out, as it once did:
I had mistakenly left my translator app set to Japanese on a visit to what was reported to be a Korean girl. It wasn't a problem until I touched on something and she told me she couldn't answer me in Japanese. Oops. She had a bit of that J-girl bubbly affect. However, if I hadn't already known it, it became clear from the shower onward that she was a K-girl. While getting dressed, I joked about that with her and she said it had happened before. Given the two countries' history together, I doubt Japanese speaking S Koreans are all that common, despite their proximity.🤷♂️
with Yoco?
I say she might not be Japanese.
So, do you know for a fact that she is Japanese?
Her service is great, I don't care what her nationality is, and it seems others don't either.
All that has been established!
So, a simple question, do you know that she is Japanese?
I think J-Girls command a higher price in the market because of their lower supply. Their pricing does seem higher than the K-Orgs. Although the J-orgs here in the Washington DC area seem to offer rates tailored to each individual girl’s desirability (looks/age/performance).
Maybe but in my view there is hardly a shortage of J-girls these days, relative to other providers. Before MP really started bringing them in I think I saw one Japanese girl (DS maybe) and then you could find a few that listed on sites like Begpage -- but I don't see them as being strong candidates.
But Tomomi was able to push things higher, though I really never understood that. But maybe I should chalk it up to two things: hysteresis from the relative lack before and the prevalence of BB that seems to bring the line to their door. Perhaps the later also give them some pricing power for the entry rate.
But glad to hear that someone is finding good looks, sessions and prices with J-girls. I have no doubt there are some out there. Just seems like that is still a rarity around here.
Jensen, we are starving here on jgirls. Maybe it's possible that it's not per area but rather per entire country? You guys have a lot of jgirls on th east coast in general. Left coast is starved on jgirls lol, specially in agencies. Share the wealth! Or better yet I wonder why they are less likely to go to west coast than east coast.
Also, I forgot hysteresis is a word that's also used in econ 
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Like I have said, I don't quite get it. But I would think that if it were a country level thing then they would be going to where the greatest scarcity id found. Though I would also admit that is very basic level, econ 101 type analysis and something a bit more nuanced is occurring.
Having said that my experience is pretty much what you're always complaining about so I don't think you really want them heading your way. But trust me, I would not lift a finger to stop them.
I do complain about a lot of stuff, so what specifically do you mean? Fake pics or mediocre seshs?
I think in this thread it was mentioned that jgirls service is worse than kgirls, which is probably a deal breaker for me long-term. But variety is good and I'd like to have some jgirls in our neck of the woods.
Right now the way ppl describe them I feel like they're somewhere between UTR corg girls here (young can be eye candy but rudimentary service, little dfk etc) and kgirls.
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Highly photoshopped pics, defintiely old pics (though I will agree that for the past few years the average age for the J-girls the agency was bringing was lower than was the case for the K-girls at the K-agencies; though that is starting improve it seems). Generally the my experience with the performance was average to purely functional. While you've not actually mentioned this aspect, the locations are not well chosen. Either too visible to the neighbors without a clear view from inside to even see if two of the neighbors are in their door or have someone standing there.
I saw one J-girl there that I repeated with 3 or 4 times while she was here. I saw 4 others that I had no interest in repeating with as the interaction was bad and they were too far different from their pics -- I didn't find them attractive enough to really want to see them. One was just really going through the steps and seemed disappointed that I didn't want to pay the fee for BB -- but I don't think I would have gotten a better performance from here as even before that things were lack luster.
From all I can tell, this is the type of agency I image all agencies are for the BA from everything you say. It's not the type of agency I'm used to using in this area. So I don't anymore and just scratch my head a bit why they last, why they charge a premium and why they seem to have some regulars that, in my opinion, should know better. Shrug.
Thanks for the response.
Yeah sounds less enticing already lol. The novelty might wear off sooner than I thought.
Specially the service part. It's like I do like to see good looking girls for looks but it's usually one and done if I don't feel service/attitude. And even age, doesnt seem that young from the way you describe them. Like younger than current batches of kgirls, but not the good ol times kgirls.
I'm not gonna say all kgirl agencies are like that here, especially since I'm not in one of the bigger ones, and there is one that have been having very good talent over last year (unfortunately as a result they're way more selective and harsh on mongers and people trying to get in and can't). I do tend to focus on bad instances, but only because those are very underreported and swept under the rug.
Tbh the location doesn't bother me that much. But I tend to be a night-time enjoyer. I do get your point is that they pose a risk to both themselves and mongers by choosing badly placed apartments. With that said, idk. If you remember that apartment location address I sent to you and gag a few years back, that place was out in the open on a busy street housing thee girls with only one entrance. And it lasted for like over three years somehow before it got busted (allegedly too)
There are basically no real japanese girls in the bay and I think there are very few in socal as well AFAIK. Almost all girls peddled by korgs here who are/were passed off as Japanese are Korean women who might have lived in Japan, know Japanese a bit etc. I was also told by native japenese speakers that it's really easy to tell for them.
There are just less japanese girls willing to go into this line of work I think and scarcity and novelty enables them to jack up prices. Especially in terms of agencies, an occasional white girl or a Latina who works in an Asian agency is also viewed as a novelty and drives a hefty price uptick with far less of a menu. I don't think I've ever seen a white girl in an Asian agency who would be down to rim, for example.
A lot of folks also like the fantasy of boning a jav star.
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using the term loosely, zainichi are where it is at!
The few I have known were enthralling! Who could forget Aki??????
They have a femininity that the Koreans don't but also lack snaggle teeth and crooked legs.
As in the Koreans born in Japan whose families have been there for several generations?
Well, I did say "using the term loosely"....lol.
I meant Koreans with Japanese heritage and who spent lots of time in Japan....the 3 in particular that enthralled me to varying degrees were Hoshi (it is funny that 2 girls have toured through our area by that name but I only knew the first one; she started at skyeden and episode beyond and last time in our area was with DS), Aki (BL), and Barbara (sky and CP).
They all could turn on the geisha charm with the coy looks, soft voice, coquettish eyes, and mannered gestures...I don't know what that voodoo is but regular Koreans don't have it.
okay -- if I got that right, not Koreans who were born in Japan and live there but Japanese whose parents/ancestors moved to Korea? Yeah, that is a rather loose use of the term -- but I can see how it works.
The 3 I mentioned are of mixed Korean-Japanese race, so they are Koreans....and they were born or lived for a long time in Japan, so they are Koreans in Japan...so, loosely, zainichi!
Just to get in the weeds because we think it is interesting lol!
Zainichi is written with the Chinese characters 在 and 日, literally "being in" and "sun".
Japan, of course, is written with the Chinese characters 日 and 本, literally "sun" and "source/origin".
So Zainichi is just "being in Japan"...hence, my loose use of the term is kind of literal.
And "일본" sounds like the Chinese "日本" pronounced with a Korean accent.
I think it is a truth that Korean gets more words from Chinese than the significant number we English conversants imported via France!
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I have seen a couple of estimated regarding the amount of sino words present in Korean. IIRC something between 30 and 70%. Not over surprising given the proximity and the lack of a separate writing system until relatively recently, Hangul was created less than 600 years ago.
But I agree, probably most Occidentals are not aware of that situation.
Are we going to start using the term 'Orientals' now, too? LOL.
If you like. The terms just mean east and west.
I bet most Koreans younger than 50 or 60 years of age aren't aware, either.
It might be changing now but I think Koreans all still need to use Chinese characters (Hanja) for the legal names and there is still a lot of mixed Hangul and Hanja to be found in Korea. They also have to learn a fair amount of Hanja in school. Might be anyone that ever planned on college has a good idea of the origins of the words they use.
I did have laugh (not out loud though) and SMH a bit from what a Chinese guy I was talking with a while back. I mentioned something about me learning Korean. He said he really didn't understand the Korean's hangup with their own langage (written or spoken) and they should just use Chinese. LOL I think this was not too long after one of the flare up about China trying to claim the Korean's got something from them when it was in fact cultural treasure type thing -- was not the kimchi claim but I think some ginger chicken soup the Koreans all make and claim ownership for their recipe.
There is actually another meaning for the Chinese character "日" in Chinese, which means "fuck".
So Zainichi is just "being in Japan" could just mean "being in fuck"
I just learned of this neighborhood today! I was told next time in Tokyo, if you hanker for Korean food besides bad kimchi and yakiniku, go here....https://blog.japanwondertravel.com/tokyo-koreatown-shinokubo-30685
I think it comes down to their rarity and youth. There are K-shops in every major city now in USA, but only a few J-shops and we in NOVA are blessed to have one of them. Also the Jgirls are younger on average than the kgirls.
I agree with you though that overall their service is not as good and the kgirls tend to be hotter (on average).
But at the same time, man, I've seen some crazy hot Jgirls... Maka, Seria, Yurina, Mariko, Karin, I would put them up against any Kgirl in terms of looks (okay maybe not Kerri but nobody is on Kerri's level
So, my answer is, they are more rare, and tend to be younger. Also, I'm sure word has gotten out that they hand out BBFS like Halloween candy. Maybe that has something to do with it too?
but the biggest hurdle for me, based on my experience, is accepting agency girls as being 100% Japanese. Most of the 100% Japanese girls I have seen are indies who are Japanese-American and speak both English and Japanese fluently.
At agencies, most of the girls advertised as Japanese have either been 1) former Korean salon-girls who worked in salons that catered primarily to visiting Japanese businessmen, and learned to speak Japanese in connection with their work, or 2) a product of a Japanese-Korean marriage, and when you become a regular with these girls, they will usually confess at some point what their status is, and it's rare that agency girls were born to two Japanese parents. Many of these half-Korean girls went to school in Japan because that's where they lived and where their fathers worked, but extensive family contact on the mother's side allowed them to become fluent in Korean as well. If a Kgirl speaks Japanese, she will often be advertised as Japanese by agencies. Out of the dozens of girls advertised at agencies as Japanese, I would say it's true only about 20% of the time.
As far as comparing them to Kgirls, since they follow the usual Kgirl script and menu if working at an agency, my experience has been the same as with Korean girls, some great, some good, some average and some below average. However, Japanese-American indies provide an atmosphere that is at a higher level socially and skill-wise to make you feel more like you are in Japan sharing a passionate time with a local girl. It's like a geisha experience being totally catered to.
With regard to the K-agencies I agree, J is very rare. But the one's I'm thinking of are absolutely Japanese and they are not at a K-agency.
You can search on Moon Palace and Blue Ocean (and some other agency I never remember) for the DC area or look at girls-generation.cc in Toronto to see who I am talking about.
in SoCal having exclusively Japanese escorts. We have had exclusively Thai and exclusively Chinese in addition to the Korean orgs, but there are several orgs who have advertised both Japanese and Viet girls on the roster from time to time. I have seen most of them, but not all. Some just come and go too fast.
I noticed some of the C-orgs do advertise 100% Japanese. Not sure how true but Jgirls do work at these orgs for about a week.
In DC, one of the C-orgs I use will, every now and then, advertise "New Japanese" and say in the text of the ad, "100% Japanese." If you show up, you probably won't be disappointed because the Chinese MILF who answers the door will have her tongue down your throat before you have time to get disappointed.
Funny thing is that I actually texted the PO and asked, "You really have a Japanese girl or is it still _____?" The reply? "Still _____." Haha.
(Thankfully, I don't know what you're talking about. If you look at the most popular K-girl agencies in our area, they charge the same for J- and K-girls.)
Not interesting because my last J-girl wasn't the best, or that I think or predominantly J agency agency charges to much for bbfs, but because I was thinking about how *actually mediocre half of them are.* Those are not good odds. I've been on a pretty steady diet of J-girls for more than 9 months now and I'm asking myself "why?" Now that K-girls are doing it raw dog, I need to give them a chance again. What a life!!!
Which K-agency in the DC are has a J-girl? I don't think I've seen a real Japanese girl at the "popular K-girl agencies", with one exception, for the past 10 years. But maybe you're talking about different agencies. The one I did see one at was DS. AG, CP, HT, RHF, CVIP, BL, never had any that I saw or heard of. Kpop, JJ, SA I don't know much about but don't think they've claimed to have any J-girls. Could be wrong.
To my, imperfect, knowledge the J-girls came from MP and newer derivative agencies. But that is all within the past 3 years.
Bingo. in the last sentence you come to your senses.😁What I was finding interesting as I read your reply was that they weren't on you're earlier lists (I believe they could use a bit of editing, regardless). Give it a try. It is different. You would know the difference in (most cases? many cases?) a lot of cases before knowing what language they speak.
What K-agencies are you talking about. If there are so may J-girls working at what you consider popular K-agencies I would think that would have been a really simple detail to have offered up.
And yes, I can tell the difference between Japanese, Korean, Thai, Vietnamese, Filipino and Chinese pretty well.
The first line in my reply is your answer. In fact, the very first one-word sentence gave you specifics: MP. And you're the one who said it in you post! I don't know why you don't use them (now BOS and AP) when I look at the list of those you do. The only model they fit is that of K-girl agencies and that's the only label I've ever seen applied to them. Is this something you take issue with? You don't consider them a K-girl agency?
Nobody, EXCEPT YOU, would consider MP, BOS, or AP to be k-girl agencies. And then you argue about it...lol.
I really didn't realize he was claiming those three we K. I suspect I would not have make the point that such a view is odd/very unique much less kindly.
Hey, hey. I wasn't arguing with you, I've just never seen them put in their own class. If not K-girl, then what? Or is this a kind of, "yeah, maybe, but I'm not going to acknowledge them as such."
MP was clearly a C-agency. Tomomi from what I heard was one of the J-girls that broke with MP so that might be called a J-agency but not sure if she is just fronting or the actual boss running things.
Hmm. I'm 99% sure it's a Chinese organization (which isn't saying anything surprising in the Asian-girls industry, K, J, and otherwise), but decidedly NOT a "C-org," as I know them. Maybe that's the distinction your making by calling them a C-agency and not a C-org? However, on the ground, they function like any of the k-girl agencies I've frequented before them.
Who? I don't know you, but I hope I told you GTFO. There are few things as laughable as self-importance.
Any chance that likes of Arina Hashimoto, Mio Ishikawa, Minami Aizawa, or Lemon Tanaka coming to LA for escorting soon? Lol
Interestingly enough we (all of a sudden) have not one not two but like three japanese girls who seem to be real japanese gals, spring up at Caras (two girls) and Bunny girls club. They all seem to have arrived over last week.
So far the demand for them has been crazy so I'm not being swayed by the fomo and staying put... and reviews are a mixed bag.
Still, the novelty is very tempting.
A lot of Jgirls available at all the Korgs, GFE & BBFS.
Reviews here are also mixed, also YEMV and some just not as good as a standard Kgirl session.