What can you do to get more young, high quality kgirls here?

“Here”, in this case, means wherever you are visiting kgirls regularly. Whether that’s the Bay, LA, Dallas or DMV it doesn’t matter.

 
The answer is simple. If the girls that are already here feel themselves to be:

 - Safe
 - Happy
 - Healthy
 - Well compensated (I’d say “wealthy” but some of their spending habits mean that no matter how well compensated they are, they won’t save anything to build real wealth).

 
I know there are guys who think the orgs are these mysterious, all powerful entities who are in control of everything. But, whatever you think they are, they are just the infrastructure that enables these girls to come work here in the U.S. For this thread, let’s focus on the girls, not the orgs.

 
I have seen it happen many times that girls who are doing well here bring over other girls who want to see the same success.

 
What we each can individually influence is those four factors I mentioned above. One girl, one session at a time. If we do so effectively, the girls that are here are significantly more likely to influence some number of the girls they know back in Korea to come out and join them.

 
So, if you’re looking at the girls you see and wishing there were more of them. Or more of them that are your type (whatever that is). You have a simple way to significantly increase the likelihood of more kgirls being willing to come work in your area.  

 
Just ask yourself what you can most effectively influence to make the kgirls we have feel safer, happier, healthy and well compensated. I guarantee you that those things have very little to do with your DATY skills.  

 
Still, this is all just my opinion. Any and all are free to disagree. All I ask is that we please not turn this into yet another rambling thread about the orgs. That way lies madness. Let’s focus on what we can actually influence that will attract more kgirls to our respective areas. If you want to discuss the orgs, please start another thread.

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In my experience, the girls who have brought over more friends to work with them have been those who went independent.

 
Has anyone else found that to be true? If not, which girls have done this the most in your experience?

Your intentions are noble and nobody here will disagree with you.

My 2 pesos:

There is an almost never-ending supply of KGirls and there's nothing you or I or any monger can do to affect that.

The question then becomes, how to increase the amount of younger+hotter KGirls in your area in relation to the total amount of providers.

The answer to that, in my perspective, is:
1)Money. Overpay, multiple hour bookings, tip heavy, visit often when you locate a young and/or hot provider.  
2)Tell the booker you love young girls and they should bring more girls like XYZ (young hottie you just sessioned with)

Closed mouths don't get fed and neither do cheap ones. When you locate a young hottie, treat her like gold and make it rain dollar bills.

I’m not sure how much good telling the booker does. But I’m quite willing to go along with the idea. It certainly has more of a chance of working than complaining, I’m sure.  

 
Your answer #1 is pretty much in line with my point that we can influence a girl’s feeling about being well compensated.  

 
The premise upon which I based my assertion that we can help attract new talent is based on a couple of decades of working with Asians. Primarily Japanese and Koreans. I’ve worked with and hired Koreans both in the U.S. and in Korea. Done the same in several other countries.  I’ve rarely seen the extent to which Koreans refer friends and family if they find a great opportunity. They tend to have very strong social connections, in my experience.

 
Great answer!

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If the girl feels safe then, imo, she'll be happy! When you have a good connection / chemistry with the girl you see, she will be happy to see you and be comfortable! She will look forward to her sessions with you.

Healthy - well you go to the incall in good shape! No headache, cough, or any ailments because if you aren't your best the girl might not be comfortable, especially now a days! If you're considerate about your health, she knows her health is safe and she will remain heathy and able to work! Work = $ = happy, kind of a circle!

Compensation -  Like it was said, multi sessions and tip nicely. Maybe up it when she goes that extra mile!

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...than non K-girls.  Yet the K-girls' rates are HALF of what non K-girls get based on providers with comparable performance.  

 
The going rate in L.A. for a good provider is $500.  Their rates immediately went up $100 when FOSTA/SESTA passed and TER went dark in the US.  K-girls' rates haven't hardly gone up at all.  

 
Posters on this board bitch and moan when K-girls' rates go up $20.  K-mongers don't tip - it's a joke to tell K-mongers to tip in order to get more K-girls to come here.  K-girls want a guarantee that they'll make good money when they come here.  They don't want to rely on a hope and a prayer that K-mongers MAY tip them.

 
Raise the damn rates if you want more K-girls!  That will attract younger K-girls.  But that's not the answer you want to hear, is it?  

Kgirls RULE; others drool!!!!!

 

 
Nothing like a fiery spirited kgirl to ROCK YOUR WORLD!!!!!

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Buddy, you're a joke. We know you've never even mustered up the testicular fortitude to see a Kgirl, let alone tip her.  

Leave this board and never come back. Men are talking.

Respectfully Papa,

 

I'm not going to argue about compensation for kgirls and pricing structure with their orgs.  What we mongers get is a tremendous value...no argument there.  And movement towards $240 / hour donation being the new norm.  I'm not in the biZ do I don't know where that extra $20 is going...

 

Until you buy some Asian pussy, PUH-LEEZE don't lecture me on being a Cheap Charlie?!?!

Yeah, BigPapaScum is a joke. I pay $300 an hour here in the DMV and I am glad to do it - still a great value in my book.

There is a great deal of truth in Safe = Happy. At the very least, it’s pretty easy to figure out if they don’t feel safe they also will absolutely not feel happy.  

 
Pretty much everything is built on them feeling safe first. That should be goal #1 for every monger. All the fun we look forward to and rave about here is dramatically easier to initiate when the girl feels safe.

Sunny, your point about making it “rain dollar bills” is worth a conversation of its own. I believe, though everyone would agree that this is effective, most seem to think it is far more expensive to do than it really is.

 
When I used to see new girls far more often than I do now one of the things I would do (and still do - just less often) is to find ways to create a bit of a party atmosphere. The majority of these girls have worked in salons, karaoke and similar occupations before. Almost all of them have a not-so-secret party mode. If they didn’t, they would not have done well at those jobs.

 
As I freely admit, I’m a threesome hound dog. Party mode in a threesome is simply amazing. If you’ve never tried it, you’ve been missing out.

 
You can do party mode with just one girl, though. And it can really release inhibitions and maximize the fun if you do it in a way that works for the girl you are with. She has danceable music on and even subtly moves to the music every now and then? Try walking over to your pants pocket, pulling out a $20 or two, giving her a smile and maybe even a wink and saying “this is yours if you’ll dance with me”.  

 
Even if you’re a white guy with no rhythm like me, I guarantee dancing with a gorgeous naked or semi-naked kgirl is loads of fun.  

 
But the important thing is that by doing this or something like it, in an inviting way (that is the opposite of intimidating, right?), you will have activated party mode in your little party girl. If you’ve chosen an approach that fits the girl you are with, you’re going to be in for some fun. And, if you repeat with this girl, you have to see what happens on a subsequent visit after the first time you engaged party mode with her. It’s pretty cool.  

 
In order for this to work you do have to watch for and work with the signals your particular girl is giving you. So, yeah, I’ve heard it can go wrong for others. But it has always worked well for me.  

 
So what if it costs an extra 20 or 40 bucks every now and then? There’s no need to do it every time. In my opinion and experience, it has been worth at least what I paid, and usually more, every time. And, yes, I admit there were times I paid more than that to get a party started. But it’s not the norm.

 
Try it. It’s a total win/win. You have more fun in the moment. And, as we’ve discussed already, the more that we do this kind of thing in a way that increases the girls’ feeling of being safe, happy, healthy and well compensated the greater the chances that they’ll tell girls they know back home that this is a great place to work.

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is fond of saying, "Some guys have to pay retail, or the whole economic system collapses", and "when you have guys that are proud of paying retail, sell them as much as you can."     If BLPOS wants to pay a higher price for pussy than the rest of us, I say let him.  If he wants to look down on us for paying less and getting more, it just shows he doesn't know a deal when he sees one.   History will show who the savvy buyers are and who the sucker is.  LOL

However, I would just add that its important for those that can afford it to see second tier girls.  We all want to see the superstars, but its how busy the second tier girls are that determines the attractiveness for other younger girls sitting back in SK who are thinking about  coming here to work.  

 
Remember that girls do not leave the salon business because they are not making money, they leave because they get to an age where they are no longer in demand in that market.  At that point, they don't mind coming here if it takes a while to build up a customer base.  So while there is a steady flow of 30-ish Kgirls coming, it takes a little more to attract the 20-somethings. Why should they leave a sure thing unless its clear from the anecdotal evidence that they will do even better in the U.S.?  That's why seeing second-tier girls, and increasing their business can help those who want to get new younger girls to come here.  When the second tier girls are doing well, its sign there is room for more Kgirls to come here and work.  

Wow.  What great advice.  When was the last superstar that you reviewed?  Can you provide a link to your review so that we can learn more from your sage wisdom.  

Though micro economics makes total sense, I'm not sure that it works when supply is constant or flat and demand is higher.  After all, under your recommendations to become a savvy buyer may become outbid because the true market price is higher than you offered.  And we can't blame a provider for trying to maximize her economic opportunity.

So following your train of thought, you are left empty handed--though in your case you are always prepared with your hands just in case, right?  Please share your coping strategy.  Is it one handed or two handed?

BRILLIANT! Will try my own little version of this next time.

Sir you are quickly becoming one of my favorite posters on this board.

Carry on!

If by second tier you refer to girls whose names aren’t plastered all over the forums, I could not agree more.

 
The trouble with this whole tier concept lies in the very nature of this market. I hope nobody thinks that even the majority of active or even very active k-mongers post in the forums or write reviews. I won’t even get into the minority that become VIP or bother to maintain that status.  

 
Anybody can figure that out, I’m sure. This is what leads to what many of us call “hidden gems”.  

 
Oddly, quite a few think that a hidden gem refers only to those troopers who deliver pretty much the same experience to every guy. But this is so far from the truth that it is actually what I would call ludicrous.  

 
More than a few of these not-considered-top-tier girls are simply YMMV. And, if you’re one of the guys for whom the variance is significantly in your favor you may be having as wild a time or wilder as those guys who only see the well known top tier.  

 
This is one of the reasons I practiced ways to invoke what I call Kgirl Party Mode. If you can pull a girl into full on party mode with you, you can significantly change how she treats you. Not just in that one session either.  

 
But Party Mode is only one way of getting a girl to relax and open up with you. Some people call the approaches that can lead to her opening up “game”.  Whatever you call it, if you work on your approaches you’ll find that YMMV falls in your favor lots more often. This is why I deliberately look for girls who are clearly YMMV girls where most guys avoid them. BTW, I do appreciate that so many of you avoid YMMV girls. Please feel free to continue to do so.

 
All that said, in my opinion “game” is just a way of learning to help a specific girl feel safe, happy, well compensated and that her health is important to me, too.  Learn and practice doing that with each girl and you can make your own tiers.

A compliment during a session is nice to hear, but it doesn’t provide any long term happiness or better compensation for them.

What will deliver compensation are great reviews. So if you come upon a younger than average provider, give her a better than average review. Add +1 to your rating of her looks. Max out (within TER guidelines) her performance.  Emphasize her youth in the review. This will generate more business for her, and hopefully that will entice other younger K-Girls to make the visit as well.

Aside from the whole "inflating the grades" what you are doing is setting potentially unmet expectations for the guys visiting based on your review. That leads to disappointment and frustration and, often, a review that largely takes it out on the provider. Putting it a bit different, if you push the pendulum a bit further in one direction is will tend to swing farther in the other direction as well.

 
I do agree that if you find a younger K-Girl showing up you should definitely call that out -- including in a mini-review in either this board of the local board -- to get a word out. You don't need to do more than than that. Those who like younger will notice and if they can expect a decent time they may well trade off between age and performance to some extent. (They won't put up with no performance but less performance for looks over too old but skilled).  For those who only care about the performance the +1 on score to reward the age is going to be really annoying.  

 
So my take is just emphasizing the age is enough to help drive business to the younger girl without claiming they are better than they were.

on this one.  While it may sound like a great idea initially to inflate a younger girl's score, there are two potential downsides when you think it through.  

 
1.   You  can damage your own cred as a reviewer.  If you get a reputation for giving high scores, but don't do it consistently across the board, you're doing a disservice to your fellow mongers as they try to make sense of your reviews.  I often get called out for my high scores, but they are absolutely consistent within the system I use.  My scoring will never go past a 7, as follows:

 
7   =  Below Average
8   =  Average
9   =  Above Average
10 =  Top 10% of all Providers I have seen

 
Many reviewers cannot quantify the difference between a 5 and 6, a 6 and 7, etc.  I  can with my scoring system.  If I were to add +1 to any score, then it pushes the girl into a completely different category of looks or service, and there I no way I can do that and maintain review integrity.  

 
2.  The potential for blowback onto the girl.  Oftentimes when a reviewer gives a girl a higher score than was deserved,, and subsequent customers feel shorted, they will give her a lower score than what is deserved to try to balance things out.  Consequently, with each customer, her average slowly gets pushed down until she is on everyone's DNS list because of the low average over many reviews.  

 
As Jensen suggests, you can make a big deal about her youthfulness in the narrative of your review without risking any adverse consequences to either your reputation or the girl's future business.

a positive ...

my 900th different Kgirl, I can confidently say that, with the exception of the recently retired legend, Megan in LA,  I do not remember seeing another 20-something Kgirl that can compare to the average 33-38 year old Kgirl for service.  If your primary motivation is looks, then I will agree that younger GENERALLY looks better.  For me, service is king, and that's way many of the girls who are average in looks have given me the best service over the years. BTW, Kgirls are intuitive about knowing from your reaction whether you are happy with the choice you made to see them.  If they think you are disappointed in their looks, they will often just go through the motions for service because they know you will not be repeating.  You get the best service when the girl thinks you have the POTENTIAL to be a regular.  

 
I generally make a few comments in the beginning of the session with a new girl that are designed to encourage a girl to try to make me regular.  That often gets me the best service they have to offer on the very first meeting.

Where in the hell is Rocketboy? These are the type of threads he dominates? Very surprised he hasn’t chimed in.

I have to admit that it’s been nice to actually have a conversation without his myopic focus on the lack of negative reviews and the dominance of the evil orgs.

 
More importantly, neither of those two things have anything to do with creating an environment that more and younger kgirls want to work here. So, this really wouldn’t be a thread where he could add any real value.

 
I’m sure we would never have been able to go as broad and deep (somebody’s gonna crack a joke about that) on this one topic  if the R-boy had his way.

 
Now, back to the subject.  

 
Would it be worthwhile to start another (related) thread on the topic of “game” and how it works to improve both individual sessions and Kgirl availability?

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If we take good care of the girls we have then they will tell their friends back in Korea who will either come here or, at the very least, give his area a good reputation so other girls interested in the biz are also interested in the Bay Area.  I've met  quite a few girls who have friends working in the area, sometimes they're even roommates.  Sometimes they come over together and sometimes a girl will follow a friend who is here and says good things about the opportunities and overall experience.

Bottom line, be nice to the girls we have.

Not so much inviting his input as just wondering where the hell he is. He hasn't posted anywhere on TER for 11 days. That's very unlike him as he seems to post 5 times or more each day. While I frequently disagree with him and don't enjoy his vitriol, I'm hoping he hasn't had a run with the virus.

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Agreed.

 
Just like when you go out to a restaurant with a co-ed group. The girls like to bring another girl for support. I’ve lost count of the times I’ve found that a kgirl had brought a friend along to work in the area with her. It occurs with c-girls as well. But it seems to be less common. Though maybe that’s because I don’t see as many c-girls as I do kgirls.

 
Thinking about this common behavior is what led to my originating this thread.

I hope you’ll report back on how your experiments with Party Mode work for you. If you don’t want to post them publicly, please feel free to PM me.

For the most part, I've never noticed girls dancing or even responding to their music at the beginning of the session as we head to the shower pretty quickly. It usually isn't until I'm dressing myself that they'll hum along or acknowledge what's playing. Would be interesting for the reverse to happen.

First, I found it mildly ironic that the same people who claim they want to ignore me think of me in a topic I did not participate. Sorry for digression - but I'm fine and well, and I hope you are as well.

 
Second, on topic - I personally cannot agree with the statement we need more kgirls OVERALL to come here, period. I prefer quality girls to come, and average to subpar quality girls to stay home.

 
You wouldn't want an imported product of bad quality, would you ? It's like saying we need more european cars, if we are to go with a car analogy. I'm sure a lot of people don't want Yugo's or Avtovaz or even Volvo. I certainly don't. Benzes and Beamers are great though. For example, the new org we got in the bay had some girls, some of whom are rated below 6 in performance and barely above 6 in looks. Like, why would I want to see these girls come here ? Nah. Subpar girls should stay at home and maybe re-evaluate career choices. Escorting is a very tough job, and it involves skill. Some just aren't cut out for it.

 
So, I would formulate the question differently -what can mongers do to make sure QUALITY girls come here.

 

With that correction, let's look on what WE (regular mongers, not advertisers/pimps or other influencers) can do.

 

Overall, I'm kinda skeptical of the whole word of mouth thing.  

To me, I only see one answer, because it is obvious to me that girls care about one thing only that you can influence- $.
Safety and Happiness is provided by orgs and their environment, which a regular joe of a monger who sees 1-4 girls a month... I mean, sure. You should be nice and treat girls politely...but that goes WITHOUT SAYING. (If you are a dick with the girl and treat her roughly or do what she doesn't want to do...you have bigger issues and I hope you're blacklisted from every single org)

 

You need to throw money at them, probably OTC, overtipping and buying gifts, lending them money and do them favors. Then maybe they will tell their friends dumb 'murican mongers are ATM machines. If the word of mouth is a thing with them.

 
I will now look at two types of quality girls - looks and performance.

 
Looks:

Here's the reality of the biz - the more global communication becomes, the less incentive young and eye candy girls have to come here. The only incentive they have is if they need to make a lot of money fast. One can be a camgirl, or even a twitch girl, pretending to play games and get good money. So many options with a good face and a good body, why would you go to a different country where you dont know the language and be fucked by 7-12 people a day ?
Thing changed. Over last 10-15 years, it became easier and easier to do things from your home and then your smartphone. What was once thought to be for nerds (computers), made it so working girls don't need to go far to earn money. As a result, the number of natural gems and lookers in live biz has kind of diminished.

 

The performance girls, on other hand, are usually vets whose performance directly reflects their experience in Korea or other countries. Personally, this is the place I still have hope for, but with latest developments in BBFS department, it's looking like the younger girls would rather just let people hit bb than develop some exceptional skills. Once this batch of service girls retires, I'm not sure who will take their place. This is bothering me in particular, because I'm always about service. With that said, my ATFs all are service girl who I think are underpaid for what they do, especially compared to dead fish who get the same money and don't put an ounce of their heart into their work.

 
So the conclusion is the same - money. I do not advise to throw your money uncontrollably at them, but if you have girls who you really like for their service or their eye candy, making them feel special is a good way to at least acknowledge their work. Whether or not this will result in any more girls of such quality coming here, I'm not sure if there is a correlation.

 
Just my two cents.

Quite recently I had a session with a kgirl who moved in time with the music as she walked me to the shower. She was even humming and moving rhythmically when she came out of the bathroom.

 
So, we did a little dancing together.  

 
I’m not saying this happens all the time. But it does happen pretty often in my experience.  Maybe we’re just seeing different girls. Or your vibe is different from mine. Don’t know.

 
As always, YMMV.

struck a chord with me.  I'm seeing more and more of what you said when I read reviews.  New girls who obviously have not learned their trade in the salons of Seoul are coming here because they have heard if they go bare, they don't need to be experienced.  Consequently, they are getting a lot of shitty reviews because guys are expecting a certain level of competency IN ADDITION to getting BBFS, but its just not happening that way with a lot of them.  There have been some reviews where DFK was not allowed but BBFS was.  WTF???

Covid-19, massively misunderstood.  
Lots of hookers seem to think that avoidance of kissing makes them safe from the plague virus.  Of course, trying to get them to think it through comes across as mansplaining or special pleading, and gets us nowhere.  

My $..02:

Nice post BTW. Thought provoking.

Being in the hospitality game, I've come out on the side that says tipping is a fools errand, and that people should be paid good wages, not have to grovel for tips or favors. I come from kitchens, which is another field where people give from body and soul to please others. I can say in truth that I've never tipped or brought flowers or loaned money and I've gotten sessions with kgirls that rival anyone's experiences.  

These girls make good money, even here in the BA where prices are comparatively low. At $$20 they make about 4x what I make. I get that. All good. And I'm lucky. I have  to draw the line at $$50 for the occasional ATF grade provider, which is my entire entertainment budget some weeks. For me, and I bet many mongers, this does indeed amount to throwing money at them. I have to make them feel special through respect and like the little drummer boy, being a good guy and giving of myself is all I've got. I'm here to say that many young hot girls in the past have  accepted that with gratitude. Now we have 40 yr old RA's who you all think you have to lavish with gifts and money? It might even border on a bit offensive, because let me tell you, they're winning that game. And more power to them.

RA's make WAY more money than all but the most unique cam girls, I'm betting. Google about camming and you find that it's not all it's cracked up to be. Jacking off at home to a chick with a dildo and a ringing bell is nothing compared to contact sports. Fight me on that one.

I started another thread here about the relative wages [How many  of you would...], and the replies have made me more of a strong believer that the market forces that determine price may indeed be correct in most locales. I'm starting to believe that the ones throwing gifts and money at the girls are doing it more to offset the girls repulsion toward shitty personalities (incel much?) than to get  the better cuts of meat. I therefore respectfully disagree with the notion that Digital is overcoming Analog as a driver of our current situation. Mutual respect and personal accountability on both sides are more likely deteriorating. Cleaning that up will get them to 'tell a friend'.

Did I hit all the points?

In respect,

sag

I simply answered the question of what do I think  will cause girls to pass the word of mouth for others to come to earn $ and for more to come. And that is $. Being a gentleman isn't something that I think they will be encouraged by.  

 
I'm not encouraging extra tipping, and in fact, I think tipping extra sometimes puts you and a girl in a bad position. Because if you always overtip but don't overtip once, then girl thinks she did something wrong. Personally with my atfs, I'd rather give one larger sum of money when she leaves or comes back. But again, I don't think one should do it.  

 
So while I don't encourage it, I accept it as the only answer. The girls will likely use you anyway. Lol. I am of firm opinion of merit pay. When I pay a girl who is awful and my atf who works her ass off, it breaks my heart to see both of them get the same pay. Even though my atf might be way more booked.  

 
About digital stuff, I'm not saying theyre making more, I'm saying there's simply more alternatives. Whereas pre-smarphone world and pre-broadband internet world, this was not as much of a case.  

 
Cheers

Well said. Thanks for your response.

sag

While I certainly agree that k-girls, for all their obsession with health and cleanliness, are not the most medically astute people on the planet, I think it is also possible that at least some, if not most, of the variability in experience can be caused by variability in customers.  

 
Still, unless you and I go session with all of these girls with odd DFK restrictions we just won’t know for sure. Now, if only we didn’t just get a state wide advisory against all travel. I guess it’s all up to you, dude!

1.  You and I are not both going to session with all of these girls with DFK restrictions, because I am not going there.  
2.  Sorry, I lost track of this being in the K-girl board.  I see these odd restrictions much less with K-Girls than with others.

1. I meant that “you and I” comment for CDL. Please accept my apology for not being more clear.
2. As much as I’d like to head down there and bang a couple dozen hot Korean women in the name of science (preferably without the involvement of any dolphins), I’m not going either.