Do you text the booker and let them know?  
Write a review that is less than glowing?
Do nothing.  Don’t bite the hand that feeds you these lovely ladies.

And book her for another 1h session right after my session. This time, I’ll bang her harder than the first time.

Second option, by a few light-years.  

The first option is useless unless you're a VIP/affiliate. Bookers don't care about your experience unless other mongers find out.

 The third option is cowardly imo and does nothing for your fellow mongers, while essentially silently encouraging more such blah sessions for everyone else in the future, including yourself.

Tell the truth in your review. It will get noticed by both orgs and mongers, and if there will be any action done about improving session with the said girl from the former side, it would be after such review (excluding damage control by bookers and affiliates, such as rebuttal reviews and blaming you for your bad experience). Mongers will also be obliged to you about warning of a potential subpar experience.  

Cheers

She might not be to my liking but you never know she might be a keeper to another dude. Many of us are into full on  
foreplay but their are alot of guys who are into just wham bam, thank you mam. In plain words, just fuck and go and not into dfk,daty,fiv,msog,etc. There are guys like that!

Was it non-GFE? Not very engaged with you or the act? Seems more act (didn't create the fantasy)?

First time seeing her?  

How about you? Show up clean, treat her like she is a human being or as your sex servant?

A lot goes into making a good session. I don't know the providers you have seen so don't really have a baseline to assess but one might think you're a bit of a "hard grader". That's fine, not criticizing, consistency is what is needed given the subjectivity of the scoring. However, if your standard for scoring is different than others in the market that is not good news to the girl. Looking at Yuna's reviews you are towards the lower end. However, she seems to have a range (7 - 10 in looks and 6 - 9 in performance).

If you have that reputation I might be hard for them to feel like giving you more than what they think 7-7 is.

I would say go over the session carefully to see if you can figure out if something was going on that might have lead to subpar performance or if the session is what everyone else should expect.

but don't wait for a return text from the booker.  Well, maybe you might get a reply back, like "ok."

First thing I do is recheck my experience against the reviews. If the behavior and look/atmosphere of the provider during the session matches pretty closely with the reviews, then I have to at least consider the possibility that the provider and I were just not a great match.  
One of the primary rules of mongering: Always allow for YMMV. Α few great providers I have known have been more than a little YMMV. If you feel the need to document the fact that your perception of the same or very similar experience others had is different, no problem. Go for it.
It’s when the difference between my experience with that provider and the experience of other reviewers (if there are any) is substantial that a review is definitely called for, in my opinion.  
There are at least two common ways that YMMV can come into play.  
 1) The monger’s perception of a specific provider and the atmosphere and experience she provides
 2) The provider’s response to a specific monger
If there aren’t any reviews, meaning you just took one for the team - and a big thanks to anyone who does that - please write up your experience so we can all be more informed walking in.  
One thing I strongly suggest avoiding. Many people who watch a movie with specific set of expectation will give that movie a terrible review simply for not matching up with their expectations. This kind of movie review - or provider review - is much less useful to anyone else.  
For example, some people will walk in with very specific standards of beauty. If the girl doesn’t live up to these standards, she is labeled “old” or given a 5 or something ridiculously low when everyone else is giving that same girl an 8 or 9. Reviews that are simply “she’s not my perfect type so she must be a 5 or 6” get disregarded by many for being an outlier.  
If you really want your differing opinion to be considered, it’s best to take the trend of reviews for that provider into consideration. If everyone labels her a 10 and you don’t think she’s all that beautiful then drop her looks score to an 8 or, at worst, a 7.5.  
Still, this is all just my opinion. We’re all different. Vote your conscience.

Figuring out why the session was subpar was not a part of the initial question tho. One needs to do that, of course. And explanation of why the session was subpar is needed in the review, needless to say.  

I also disagree. Others' grade should have no impact, as long - and you actually mentioned it - your own reviews are consistent within your system. Your scale can differ. This also takes care of the problem if 9 or all 10 out of 10 reviews are written by shills/are fake.  

For example, my scale says 5 is a dead average experience. Others might have an average experience rated as 8. Difference is when I give a girl a 10, this clearly means she one of the best in biz and maybe ever. But again, as my long as my reviews are consistent, there should be no issues.  

Just my two cents.  

Cheers.

I think it is a bit hard for anyone to offer much insight or suggestions without getting some sense of why he called the session "blah". Any of the three options could be appropriate and which one someone chooses is, without additional insights, a personal preference than useful advice to someone else asking for it.

We're on the same page regarding scoring -- reviewer should make an attempt to be consistent. Then others wanting to use the review can take a look at the reviewers history and where that fits with other reviews. Ideally you find either providers you both have seen so can form a baseline to understand the score given. As you say, your 5 might be my 8. As lone as we both know that using each others reviews allow information to be exchanged.  

However, that is from a client perspective and not the providers perspective. So I do think it makes a bit of sense to consider just how others -- not just any others but the ones that seem both clearly real and clearly for the local market -- are rating. The outlier here can have impact on the provider even when a reviewer was being both honest and giving what they consider a good review for an enjoyable session they would recommend to others. We know a lot of stupid/new guys (I'll ignore the know gals as she has a clue) seem to want to look at a number and run (perhaps many lack VIP or something like that).  Now, I suppose one might make the argument the harder score might have just saved the girl from seeing some idiot but suspect they probably prefer the money with the idiot (assuming they are not abusive, sick, smell like an unwashed ass...) rather than no idiot but no money.

I would put the knowing the local market grading system in the same boat as knowing the local market rates.

Many times I try to provide help on scant information, and its almost always wrong once we get the whole story further down the thread.  Its a legit question to find out the OP's POV on what made is unsatisfactory.  The more info the OP gives you to work with, the better the advice will be from everyone here.

What made it ‘blah’ for me was mainly the lower energy level of the girl compared to other providers I’ve seen.  Some of girls I’ve seen are Energizer bunnies, even though they were older.  The appointment was in the late morning, and maybe she is more of an evening person.  My perceived lack of energy seemed to manifest itself in a lack of enthusiasm on her part for some of the activities such as the shower together, BBBJ, and DATY.  I didn’t have to ask for these activities, but they were average at best.  

I haven’t seen any reviews on her yet, so I don’t have a baseline comparison of how others thought of her.  That is on me.  However, I showed up on time, and freshly showered.  She was pleasant and friendly otherwise and not pushing me out the door, so I don’t think I gave her any of the typical reasons for a less than enthusiast session.

The explanation of 'why' can be put in the review. Then others can read it and make conclusions for themselves, as opposed to speculating first and making conclusions, THEN posting a review.

Even if it's an outlier experience, it is still very valuable to mongers.

I don't really understand why you call fellow mongers idiots, especially 'new' ones. The newbies are the ones who the reviews really target. Otherwise, orgs wouldn't even put links to reviews in their ads. The people who are in the 'loop' and high volume mostly communicate with pms. It's the newbies who need guidance via reviews. And I hope you won't argue that negative reviews help mongers much more than positive ones - negative ones usually have precise details as to what went wrong, as opposed to generic "penthouse" positive reviews. To paraphrase Tolstoy slightly, all good experiences are alike; each bad experience is bad in its own way. Hell, I start with negative reviews all the time when I start reading a girl's reviews. Just like I do with a product on amazon.

"Local market grading system" sounds like nonsense to me, sorry. Each review site has their own structure of review, this is true. But within that structure, your scale can vary. If anything, TER encourages less of an IGN video game review scale and more of a uniform scale (as they cap service at 7 unless BBBJ was given). TER also has specific clauses prohibiting orgs/providers threatening negative reviews, as well as prohibiting quid pro quo.  

I come from a site and an area where orgs and their affiliates created thousands (yes, thousands  and I have proof) of fake glowing reviews with little substance, masquerading as mongers. Remind me again, why should someone care enough to suppress honest bad reviews to help them get even money from newbies ? As long as you're providing a review that is fully honest, there should be nothing to worry about. If your goal is to help fellow mongers and not korgs to make money, of course.

Not to mention that unlike independent providers who have one link and one name, many korg girls rebrand every other day, especially with those with unfavorable reviews. I know of a girl who has two names in LA and two names in the bay. Just happens to be, coincidentally, she gives one of the worst kgirl services ever.

I usually only text the booker if the session was rushed Or if the experience was just bad. The usual response is “Sorry”. Sorry and 2 bucks gets you a cup of coffee..
Blah is YMMV. Sometimes I’ll read some great reviews and get all excited and then it’s nothing special so I lower  my expectations now.  
Great thread BTW

I agree that the reviews are largely helpful for the newbies -- but they are also often the ones (or were years back) looking for the 9s and 10s and then texting/emailing for an appointment. Then often enough bitching about a bad session but if they had actually read what the review said they might not have booked or walked in with the same high expectations.

I also agree that the scoring system *should* work everywhere but it simply doesn't. Different locations have difference cultures and approaches to things. Whether or not one wants to use that information to grade on the curve as it were that's up to each person. The point here was that if the provider or their agency knows who you are on a review board and see that you are always lower in assessment that others you turn in to that never satisfied customer. You might not be blacklisted but you don't get the warm welcome either. That's just reality. Given the OP seems to have reviews only for one agency (might be wrong on that but looking an several reviewed girls all at the same place) that seems at least a possible source of the blah session. Not saying it was, just saying that is something to consider.

Yes, I am well aware of rebranding and that's why TER allows the providers working names to be linked to a given TER ID. It is not something that works very long if you use TER.

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Given that I my response would be no review and then decide if it would be worth trying again in case it was a case of bad timing (her dog just got run over by a car while walking in that morning, just a low energy day for her, just had back to back difficult clients or even first day on the job type situation) and things just did not click. If she was incredibly DDG with a body to kill for I might go back just to confirm. If same results then a review might be in order if you like reviews. As others have mentioned you might also just do some back channel reporting instead.  

If you're on really good terms with the booker, or they ask you, you might mention other girls deliver a better service in your view.

lol

I suppose someone out there might be waiting for a partial refund on a session.

How do you know that it was newbies who were "looking for the 9s and 10s and then texting/emailing for an appointment"? Sounds like pretty specific information only a booker with TER knowledge (or an equivalent affiliate) would have. Even then, not sure how one would compile that kind of info.  

 
Yes, posting negative reviews won't earn you brownie points with the orgs. I think we established that.

The question is whether a such act of buying up a monger's silence and/or leading another monger astray, is acceptable behavior on a board for users' reviews. TER, for example, says it isn't and that it is bannable grounds. I wonder how many instances they had of banning an org on here.  

What's even the point of a review site such as TER then ? Just give all girls 9s if all mongers have brownie points and are effectively bought with pussy and threatened with blacklist to stay in line. All orgs get to advertise and pose as mongers. And the reviews are bait for newbies. Yay.

I don't know, I figure it must suck, spending what, something close to 400 (bbfs in LA) on pussy, having a bad experience and instead of letting others know, they instead have to keep their mouth closed or act like it was a good one. All just so they can have dibs on next pussy or whatnot. They got fucked twice, and not in a good way.

I mean, makes sense. Dignity is always replaceable, and pussy isn't. Oh wait, I think it's the other way around. Nvm.

You seem to think I owe you or anyone else on this forum shit. I don't. I pay for VIP. I use the reviews to some extent but hardly ever do they result in changing my prior assessment much. While the membership has reduced significantly there are still handles I recognize and will touch base with if I am seeking some confirmation about a particular provider and know they have seen her.

In short, reviews are input and a starting location, not the last step in the process. Nor is there any reason to fool myself into thinking just anyone else description or tastes or aesthetics will be mine so that they like doesn't mean I will. So take your "others owe me/us a proper review as I think reviews should exist" and shove it.

Nor have I suggested anywhere that people should be providing elevated reviews (presumably in exchange for some type of benefit).

Huh? I never said you owe anything to me or anyone else. Way to move the goalposts and put words in my mouth. All I did was ask you some questions, most of which you failed to answer.

Here, I'll ask you again. Do you think it's acceptable for orgs to buy silence and/or reviews in exchange for "good standing"?

It's a really, really simple question.  Because this is what you implied in your previous response, minus the window dressing. Ie, "you write bad review, booker knows you, booker gets mad, you get worse standings".

Yes a really simple question completely unrelated to ANYTHING I've written. You're the one with the goal posts on wheels.

Unrelated to anything? Lmao

"The point here was that if the provider or their agency knows who you are on a review board and see that you are always lower in assessment that others you turn in to that never satisfied customer. You might not be blacklisted but you don't get the warm welcome either. That's just reality"

Did you write this?  Pretty sure you did.  

And I asked you, whether you think this is acceptable behavior on orgs part. It's literally directly related to what you said. Lol.  

Since you agreed it's a simple question, let's hear your answer. Is it acceptable behavior for agencies to effectively silence negative reviews via providing mongers with less than "warm welcome" when said monger writes negative reviews?  

Hint: it's a yes or no answer.

So, maybe YOU were in a funky mood, and the KGal picked up on it, and things never got going.  Maybe SHE was in a funky mood — or tired, after banging 5-6 other guys — and she could not rally.  Maybe she is a mediocre provider and will never get past a 6.5 avg for performance, which for KGals is not so hot, given the number of wonderful providers with 8’s and 9’s galore.

The point is, you can not know the cause.  You could go back and try again — if the girl is so appealing to you that you feel it might be worth the effort.  Or, you might say, as you would leaving a well-recommended restaurant in which the service was so-so or the food not impressive: “...off night...maybe I will go back or maybe not.”  

But it is always appropriate to post an honest review.  If the provider gets 4-5-6 reviews where the performance was rated 6, presumably it is an honest and accurate assessment.  If, on the other hand, you give a 6, and the provider has a bunch of 7s and 8s and 9s — and, say, an avg of 8.25 — then you are probably an outlier and hobbyists can adjust their analysis appropriately.

Also, you can use your own words in the review to focus on the possibility of an off day/night.  On the other hand, I have seen providers who were robotic and unaccommodating, and I honestly said so....

First of all, why would you waste your valuable time and money seeing a provider with no reviews when you probably have plenty of highly reviewed choices. That is certainly the case in my market. I can never figure out these guys who have written a bunch of reviews and all the girls are 6’s and 7’s! They could be a bit more choosy by reading reviews.  

Second you should be prepared for a mediocre session when you see a girl that has not been reviewed. Every now and again it is fun to try a newbie who is in the first week providing, but come in with low expectations.  If they are substandard make suggestions to the booker, don’t bury the girl on her first review.

I would text the booker with your observations and suggestions if you think the problem was mainly in her attitude. If the girl has no reviews, I would not write a lousy review based on the variety of reasons already given. Let the next guy go in blind and see if he can find some nice things about his session. I think a provider has to work for it to be worthy of a review, and be good at it to be worthy of a great review. In my opinion, she needs looks, attitude and skills to get a great review.

My mother used to tell me, “if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all.”

after seeing hundreds of Kgirls and dealing with dozens of bookers is, "Its their game, so its their rules."  It doesn't matter if WE think its a good practice of not.  If the booker knows your TER handle, and you are low-scoring his/her girls, there's a good chance they will stop responding to you.  It always makes me laugh when guys post on discussion boards that they were BL'd and don't know why. Low scores is one of the possible reasons.  There was one booker in SoCal that, after you passed the screening, he would tell you that the girls always appreciate positive reviews, but if you score lower than a 7, you might not be invited back.   That's about as in-your-face as it gets. Other bookers are more subtle, but if they don't think you're getting the message, they will word it a little more strongly before BL'ing you.  

 
Here's the reality . . . . Any booker will tell you that its reviews that drive business to the girls, not word of mouth or discussion board chatter.  If some guy retaliates on a girl that won't put out BBFS (and don't even suggest to me it doesn't happen) by giving her a 5-5, what is the booker supposed to do?  Many low scores are not deserved for this reason.  I personally know of some guys here that will not give a girl more than an 8 unless BBFS is on her menu.  The scores are for the SERVICE, not the menu.  This is discriminatory against the girls that give great service, but its CFS.  There are girls that are great oral queens that will take you to the moon and back.  Why limit her score because she doesn't offer BBFS.  Retaliatory reviews are worse than anything the org does in response.  

 
This is why I use my own scoring system, which is probably the most consistent way to score these girls over the long term.  I have posted it before about once a year, so that those reading my reviews will fully understand what I thought of the girl.  Here's the lowdown . . . .

 
8   = average - This is a solid Kgirl experience with the standard Kgirl CFS menu with DFK and BBBJ.  
                Looks = pretty
9   = above average - This means just what it says.  Service or looks were above average as Kgirls go
10 =  top 10% of all the Kgirls I have seen.  For service, it has to also meet TER guidelines for services received.
                 Looks =  DDG
7   =  Below average.  This means the girl was not the usual standard of "average" for a Kgirl for looks or service.  

 
I don't go below 7 unless its a rip-off, and I haven't had any of those on TER, but I did on another review site years ago.  Its enough for me to say a girl is below average by giving her a 7.  There is no need to beat her up even more with a 5 or a 6.  Below average is not a repeat for me under any circumstances.  That's all I need to say for readers to get my point. This also allows me to keep the bookers happy, even though NONE OF them know who CDL is in real life.  I'm just being cautious but honest in case someone DOES find out who CDL is.

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"let the next guy go in blind"

Brilliant! You get your pat on the head and cookie from the org for not writing a bad review, and they get money from the guys who go in blind! Everyone wins, well, except for the people who went in blind! Sure, fuck them.  

This excerpt of on of my favorite novels of all time by Mark Twain reminds me of this tactics :

"

Twenty people sings out:

“What, is it over? Is that all?”

The duke says yes. Then there was a fine time. Everybody sings out, “Sold!” and rose up mad, and was a-going for that stage and them tragedians. But a big, fine looking man jumps up on a bench and shouts:

“Hold on! Just a word, gentlemen.” They stopped to listen. “We are sold – mighty badly sold. But we don’t want to be the laughing stock of this whole town, I reckon, and never hear the last of this thing as long as we live. No. What we want is to go out of here quiet, and talk this show up, and sell the rest of the town! Then we’ll all be in the same boat. Ain’t that sensible?” (“You bet it is! – the jedge is right!” everybody sings out.) “All right, then – not a word about any sell. Go along home, and advise everybody to come and see the tragedy.”

Next day you couldn’t hear nothing around that town but how splendid that show was. House was jammed again that night, and we sold this crowd the same way"
"

First, I appreciate your input, but I really want the other guy to answer this question. It is really a simple question. You can answer it too, btw, instead of saying "it does not matter". Yes, it does. I want to hear what you actually think. The other guy straight up lied to my face and said my question had nothing to do with what he wrote. Now it's all crickets when I went and explicitly pointed it out.  

I'll accept "I'm too afraid to say something that my booker will not like" as an answer, but you yourself said they don't care about boards (which I agree with, they usually bait newbies with reviews).  

Second, you contradict yourself a little. First you say it is their game. Yet they depend on our cash and on our reviews. Again if they didn't, they wouldn't advertise their review links on their sites. More than anything else, orgs like money. They will even drop their screening requirements when demand is low and so on, just to make that money. They will write or pay someone to write fake reviews,just to make that money.  

 
Finally, I love the "once you learn" conjecture. I spent something like 25k in cash (didn't bother to count) last year on aamps. Some were corgs, but most were korgs. That's well over a hundred kgirls with our rates. I've dealt with dozens of bookers over (mostly) Bay, Vegas and yes, LA as well (they do take our references). Hell, I dealt with gfe all stars MMS back in NYC back in the day. I'm not some newbie, so please stop with treating me as such. I like to help newbies though. It's actually my mission. I'm not here to ask for help, although occasionally I'll pm some mongers. Im here to provide it. And I'm here to protect newbie mongers from bullying practices.  

Speaking of bookers, I've never provided any of my pii to them, but I think at this point they probably can correlate my hobby phone numbers with my rocketman alias. Since I provide very detailed and truthful reviews, they probably can guess it. Never, ever did I ever talk to them about reviews. I also never got blacklisted (yet).  

I agree with retaliatory reviews being bad and yet they just as bad as common rebuttal reviews (which are way more common) . The chance of a retaliation review is extremely slim tho, as you can see - half the people in this topic are scared shitless to publicly give a subpar review. You have people on here saying it takes two bad experiences and love for the reviews to even produce a bad review. Yeah, and now you tell me someone regularly does that as a relatiation review? Come on.  

But really, please do answer the question. It's a simple yes or no answer. Thanks in advance.

You asked: "Do you think it's acceptable for orgs to buy silence and/or reviews in exchange for "good standing"? "

That is nothing that I wrote. I did not say "write favorable reviews to get points" or in fear of retaliation. You won't get any special treatment for writing unjustifiable review -- it might be appreciated for the marginal (and temporary) business but you're not getting special treatment from anyone for that. You'll get treated like the tool you are.

What I said was "you turn in to that never satisfied customer" when you are the hard grader. That will impact their business because too many here just look for the numbers (mostly the newbies) so they have a legitimate reason not to be happy about their "difficult" customers. This is not saying they are retaliating against marginal reviews or suggesting such behavior would be good.  What it was clearly saying was if you are the outlier on the down side there is little reason for the girl to make an extra effort to impress you with service.

Once they open back up, try going out to a restaurant and, assuming you actually are liking things as much as the others, keep telling them about how how acceptable things are for you while everyone else is saying the food was quite good and attractively presented. Is that server more responsive to you or to the other people at the table?  Is that acceptable behavior by the server?

You seem not to really understand the difference between what I wrote and you read. You don't seem to understand service businesses and market reputation aspects. And, when you start sending me PMs calling me a liar and say things like "when are you going to answer my question" you absolutely are demanding I owe you something.

I've been on a fucking roll like I haven't in years!  Really!  It's the only good to cum from the Plague.

I advise take the L with the W, my brothers.  Do your homework.

Honest reviews will give you a good idea of what to expect the kgirl who closes the magic door behind you will look like and what script to expect.

I'm a good looking, seasoned and ultra respectful monger.  My Kung Fu is STRONG.  Good manners goes a long way with these kgirls.  Many kgirls are ladies in the street and freaks in the sheets...

Just my $0.02.

Well said.

I literally quoted what you said and asked whether you think it's acceptable behavior. You still haven't answered this. Yes or no? What you said is that one will get less service for writing a less than favorable review. Which is what you reiterated in the last post: "little reason for the girl to make an extra effort to impress you with service."

And hey, CDL pretty much flat out said that some bookers will BL you when you give a score than less than 7. Do you think THAT is acceptable behavior? Yes or no? I'm interested in where you draw the line,if ever. And just as a reminder, TER draws the line too.

I'm VERY glad you brought the restaurant analogy up and other service industries.  

When I go grab a bite at a diner, if I get shitty service I will go on yelp and leave an unfavorable review. I don't really care if their waiter is having a bad day, her vagina is hurt or she is sick. If you can't work, don't work. I pay for service and evaluate it likewise.  

I will not get harassed by the restaurant staff, and they wont even think of accusing me for the bad experience, because people will laugh at them. Any pr war they will lose, because in service industries customer is [almost] always right.

Then I will go in to the same diner again some time later and again will order something. Say they will recognize me, do you think I will get worse service now because I left a bad but honest review of their service? I don't think so, if anything they will be on their toes. Because they couldn't afford another bad review.

And the restaurant wouldn't even dare to create hundreds of fake reviews, trying to atract customers. They have to attract customers via quality of the food.  

When a monger writes a "bad" review, there is likely to be a rebuttal review, and if theres a thread, org shills will run up in a thread and say that it's your fault for being ugly, fat, demanding, etc. It's funny really. I call them the damage control minions. Can you imagine this happening with restaurants? Lol.  

All the widely popular products and services still have some bad reviews. Iphones have bad reviews. Doctors have bad reviews. Car mechanics have bad reviews. All the fucking time.  

Do you know why companies offering the good products and services don't care? Their products sell themselves. Orgs have a clear motivation to doctor reviews so as to make their products more attractive to newbies. Hell, some orgs I know literally the first 5 or 10 reviews for a new girl would be written by affiliates or paid shills.  

The orgs practices of suppressing unfavorable reviews, as well as creating fake positive ones, would get them tarred and feathered in any regulated service industry. They are completely anti-consumer. And unfortunately, we don't have fakespot for kgirl industry, but I'm creating one (sorta).  

You're right about pms tho, I got worked up and became impatient. Please accept my apologies. You don't owe me anything, I'll reiterate this. As you can understand, I'm pretty passionate about defending monger rights.

My suggestion is to write an honest review, explaining what exactly was not up to par with your standards, and allowing for possibility the girl had a bad day. You will prevent others from stepping on the same proverbial rake (no pun intended),and those who will be willing to try and check can't complain that they weren't warned. All the mongers in this scenario win.

Abstractly, they do need our money, and yes, the bookers will give a little more leeway to guys seeing second-tier girls.  Don't overestimate the importance of "our money" when it comes to yourself as an individual.  Just ask guys who have actually been ghosted by the booker for low review scores.  Collectively, they DO need OUR money, but they don't need YOUR money or MY money enough to put up with low review scores IF they know who you are.  That's the slippery slope for guys that use their TER credentials to book sessions.  Once they know who you are and can connect you to your reviews, its their game, their rules, and no way around it.  Unless you are planning on forming a Monger's Union, there will not be a way to put  financial pressure on bookers to change their review policies.  There are SoCal guys right here that have lost their booking privileges with certain orgs by writing "honest" reviews with low scores.  

 
With my scoring system, I can write an honest review that is always consistent with my previous reviews without ever running afoul of a booker's desire for positive review SCORES.  Its easy to place any girl in one of my four categories.  Using the numbers only, how many reviewers do you know that can consistently quantify the difference between a 5 and a 6?   They can't, and so many of their reviews do not apply their standards consistently against past reviews.  My Below Average category is still a 7, and bookers know 7 is the cut-off for guys looking for girls  to see.  Most guys skip 6 and below and will not even read the reviews, which is another reason I use my scoring system. . . . . Why write ANY review that is never going to be read?  Its a waste of my time.  

CLD also pointed out that that is largely in response to false review from monger trying to bully the girls into BBFS.  So yes, I don't have too much a problem with that type of response when some in the monger community are causing such problems. As a market supplier they certainly do have the right to be concerned and take reasonable actions regarding their reputations, as well as the safety or the girls working there.

The reviews have so many problems -- both side. Unless you can differentiate the good from the bad review and prove the agencies or provider is only taking such an action to inflate their review scores you should not be making such strong accusations. You don't have that information but act here like you do.

Go back and read what I've said throughout this exchange and think about just what I've been saying. I'll say it again just to be sure. If you write your reviews that are fully consistent with your grading/scoring but those scores are consistently lower that other mongers that is not something the provider or agency (or any business for that matter) see as good. So if your 7 is what almost all other mongers are calling 8 or 9 (and yes that can be honest reviews from all) it is reasonable for the provider to wonder why you are giving the 7. Additionally, it would only be human nature for them, assuming knowledge here, to see you come through the door and think "I can make the same effort I did for everyone else but this jerk will only give me a 7. I'll just give him what everyone else considers 7 level service."

When that happens you (generic "you") then want to give them a 5 or a 6 and start saying all the other mongers must be white knights or reviewing for privileges or have been bullied by the agency to never give a bad review.  That is not the only way all this plays out. That is what I've been talking about and not attempting to justify the we will blacklist you if you don't give good reviews regardless of the session.

Now, the reality is that does happen. But that was never something I was trying to talk about or defend or justify so see no reason to bother getting into a different discussion than I was having.

I accept the apology and understand being passionate about what one cares about. That passion is good. However, in this case I just think you will have to live with a bit of disappointment because I don't think ideal you have in your head here actually can exist in the real world. But, don't let me stop you from championing your cause. Just please don't use those lenses to put meaning into my words that just does not exist.

And I have no intentions in butting in on that "discussion" after it's gone this long,

 
What I would like to say however is that it's refreshing to hear from a monger who's loyalty where it comes to reviews is to his fellow mongers and not to curry favor with "the bookers" This very same discussion has been had a hundred times regarding independent, non Asian providers as well, with one half of the guys sucking up to hookers that treat them badly, and the other half saying NO FUCKING WAY!!!

 
I think it's obvious which side of the debate I am on. Maybe I'll join in a bit earlier the next time the subject comes up. Yesterday was a rather full day for me "off the boards" I drove to Dallas and back (two hours each way) played 18 holes of golf, got my brains fucked out by a K-girl, bought ten pounds of live crawfish that I cooked and washed down with a bottle and a half of wine before passing out, completely satiated after a long and enjoyable day of debauchery. Somehow I didn't find too much time to spend  on TER yesterday. lol

I always have stood by fellow mongers, and will always continue to do so. It's the single reason I'm even on this site.  

A guy (who I'm pretty sure was an affiliate - he was the one always saying how girls have to deal with ugly fat mongers and trying to downplay bad experiences ) once asked me why I care to help about some guy I've never met before and will never meet in person.  

He called me a "capt save a monger" ,like it was an insult. I laughed hard at him and embraced that name since.  He simply didn't get what it feels to help people instead of thinking purely in self interest.  

This is a monger community. I like helping mongers, instead of misleading them. I care about a random monger much more than I'll ever care about some org. I don't kiss boots and call orgs massas just because they're a supplier. Lol. The mere notion makes me sick.  

Of course, there is a reasonable line where a monger stops being a fellow monger. If a guy doesn't pay, he's not a monger but a ROB. Being rough with the girls and not taking no for an answer is another way a customer stops being right and becomes a piece of shit.  

Anyway, sounds like a good trip and I hope you didn't catch anything asides from crawfish

I never meant "my" money. I meant overall money,as in money we collectively as mongers bring.  

And yes, there are 500 ways to put financial pressure on orgs to force them to change review policies. Lol. Since it's a public forum, I won't divulge all of them, but I literally hinted at one multiple times in this thread. Jeez. OK I'll share two.  

Sure, you likely won't do it just by yourself. A one person boycott will not change anything.  

Imagine if everyone starts giving honest reviews, not licking the org boots? Boom, they can't literally blacklist everyone, can they? That's what I mean. The reality is orgs only give a shit about bad reviews because they affect their money. Make them lose more money and they will care even more.  

Number two, Imagine that a certain site used as a review platform has a certain policy that prohibits providers or agencies from engaging in certain bully behavior. And imagine if that policy is enforced and an org is banned from posting their providers on this certain site? This teaches an important lesson.  

Doing NOTHING will result in nothing, sure. One can't put financial pressure on orgs if they are content with being whipped by massa booker. If one is too afraid to be BLd by just writing his experience, they aren't going to start a revolution.

about making boasts about how much you spend on Kgirl pussy.  While a specific number may seem like a lot to YOU, there are others here who spend way more than you do.  Many are UTR and don't participate much on the boards.  Some post occasionally.   Just a suggestion.  

 
A new member made a boast like this on the GD board (link below)  a few months ago, and I had to dress him down the SECOND time he said it on the same thread.  He was boasting about an amount that is double what yours is.  Best to keep things in perspective.  I have learned over time not to be too impressed with myself when not knowing my audience well.  

That wasn't about bragging at all. You were condescending to me saying "once youll see hundreds of girls an deal with dozens of bookers"
Yeah, been there done that. I agree it isn't a big number. I know guys spending a lot more.

Bottom line, my point was please dont try to give me the same ol "you're new to the game and don't get how it works"
 I know how it works. (In fact, sometimes I think I know too much about the game) And I want to make changes.  

Save the "son one day you'll learn" speech for someone else, please.

LOL

At least for the first sentence give it was you writing this. You're generally more than happy to share.

Personally I really don't care about how much others spend or how often. It just doesn't impress me and I'm not in any competition. Still I get that is one of the games people like playing here, and as you say, if you're going play, better know who is on the field with you to avoid wearing that egg.

"The other guy straight up lied to my face and said my question had nothing to do with what he wrote. Now it's all crickets when I went and explicitly pointed it out. "

I will take exception to BOTH statements. I'll chalk it up to you getting all worked about about things.  

You seem to run some story in your head about things and then interpret the real world though that lens and come to some view based on your internal mental state rather than the actual real world. Take a pause now and then, try understanding what someone else is actually saying rather than your internal story line tells you they are saying.

Crickets don't start chirping in a day so, again, don't be so quick to judge. (And I can only hope that you are not so quick to fire when seeing the girls

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You should be careful about making broad-brush statements that go against the history of the business.  Orgs do not have to blacklist everyone, but they will not hesitate to do it to individuals, who then become an EXAMPLE to others.  Strength in numbers will not work in this business.  Many mongers are happy having a safe place to go to get away from their wives and enjoy some Kgirl pussy.  Two years ago, one single Kgirl, albeit a legend and the most in-demand Kgirl in SoCal at the time, blacklisted over 100 guys in 90 days.  Guys were crying all over the boards. She took two weeks off, and when she came back, she was booked solid for three weeks.  

 
Boycotting is another fool's errand.  That was tried here last year when several of the top-end Kgirls went to $300.  It lasted a few weeks, and now these top-end girls are getting all the bookings they can handle at $300.  After that, some moved to $350.  There was a call for another boycott, and these girls did lose some customers, but many mongers gladly stayed and paid the higher price.  Mostly older guys who also see indies who they typically pay $4-500.  Kgirls are still a bargain, comparatively speaking, until they get to $500.  Guess what?  The customers that stayed at the new rate found that with fewer customers, the girls weren't as tired and the service was better.  I was one of the ones that made that discovery.  We were getting even better service from the top girls than before at the new rate, which was still less than local indies charge.  

 
I think most reviewers give honest reviews already.  Its just that the numbers mean different things to different reviewers, so there is a lack of consistency.  I challenged everyone above to give me a quantitative difference between a 5 and a 6 for service.  No takers?  I'm not surprised.  Guys are throwing out numbers and don't even have their OWN idea how the numbers relate to the specific services they received.  All of us has had the experience of reading a stellar review where the reviewer raves about the girl for both looks and service, but then the score is 7-7.  This is a disconnect that makes the review relatively worthless to others.  

 
Lastly, your last line trying to inject racism via slavery into the conversation is way out of line. I have a suggestion for you.  If you don't like the way the bookers run the orgs, why not just opt out?  There are plenty of hot, American-born Asian indies around that speak perfect English and give great service.  They do their own booking, so you are dealing from start to finish with the person you will actually be seeing.  I have seen a number of them, and if you like Asians, most of these will satisfy that craving.  

 
On the other hand, rather than just being whiney, why not start a new thread to document you taking on one of the orgs and trying to get some reforms that you seem to want.  You can update it daily here so we can all see the progress you're making.  If you pull it off, I think there are others here that would join you in your success . . . or your blacklisting, if it doesn't work out.  I'm interested in seeing you follow through on your boast that there are "500 ways to put financial pressure on orgs."  I'm thinking bullshit, but I won't call it until I see you really don't have it worked out.

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Dude, I already apologized for my behavior. Why you gotta put me through double jeopardy? Lol. I get easily worked up. I was wrong. I should watch my tone. I'm trying...

has been around awhile, but there is no way to verify that on TER.  You showed up using an alias with ONE review.  How are we supposed to know who we are talking to and that you have the kind of experience you say you have?  If you use your real handle, the amount of posts you have already would bring you into the top ten list and we could see when you joined TER.  This would give you cred and you would be deserving of us believing what you are saying.  There are a lot of legit reasons to use an alias, but you do sacrifice some cred until you have built up trust among the other members that aren't hiding by being here awhile.  

 
BTW, most people that think they know too much about the game don't really know that much.  Date a bunch of Kgirls on the outside where you're not paying to fuck them, and play golf with some of the male bookers.  THEN you may know too much.  

If you want to make changes, take my suggestion to document your progress on a thread here.  Who are you going to take on first?

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OK, you don't want to answer it in this thread as it's somewhat off topic, fine. Would you want to answer it in a separate thread? It's weird that you don't want to take either side and are are somewhat evading answering directly. I would venture to say it sounds like you agree that it's not a good practice, but you still don't explicitly say it; so I am now afraid to put you on either side because you'll say you never said this. Meh.  

Second, if you think a supplier determines which feedback to thwart and retaliate against in any service industry, you are very mistaken. In pretty much any service industry, customer is ALWAYS right,and demand is what determines business practices. Tell me how kgirl industry is different without using the word "illegal".  

Third,  

"When that happens you (generic "you") then want to give them a 5 or a 6 and start saying all the other mongers must be white knights or reviewing for privileges or have been bullied by the agency to never give a bad review"

Actually, I never do this. I don't do it vice versa either. I've seen my atfs get low scores and after reading the reviews, I completely believe the reviews and sympathize. One guy said he walked on one of my atfs. My atfs aren't lookers, so I understood him even if I'd never walk on that girl. I'll take a mongers word over bookers word any time.  

Like I've said before, a negative review detailing what exactly went wrong,is very informative... and those are hard to make up. I only call reviews fake or affiliate written when there's a clear pattern. A guy who writes perfect reviews for each new girl of the same agency every time, on the same day she starts working, or sometimes even before she starts working, and his review is always a generic review that can apply to almost any girl, with no details, its very lkely an org affiliate. There's no rocket science here.  

"prove the agencies or provider is only taking such an action to inflate their review scores you should not be making such strong accusations. You don't have that information but act here like you do."  

As far as blacklisting for review scores, cdl, explicitly said this multiple times. There is no way back or damage controlling that one. Here I'll quote it so it cannot be deleted:

" It always makes me laugh when guys post on discussion boards that they were BL'd and don't know why. Low scores is one of the possible reasons.  There was one booker in SoCal that, after you passed the screening, he would tell you that the girls always appreciate positive reviews, but if you score lower than a 7, you might not be invited back.   That's about as in-your-face as it gets. Other bookers are more subtle, but if they don't think you're getting the message, they will word it a little more strongly before BL'ing you.  "

I also have proof that agency affiliates write fake reviews (some not even bothering to use vpn) or pay others to do so. Maybe it's not a good idea to assume stuff beforehand?  

Here, let me tell a little story. There was a certain site bay area mongers used to use for kgirl profile and reviews prior to around february. Let's call it "Neurotic Donkey". The administration of that site was a bit too lenient, and fake reviews for kgirl profiles starting coming up in dozens, hundreds and then thousands. Many members, myself included, were pointing out fake reviews. One girl in paritcular even became a meme because she had like 1k reviews in less than a year.  

I scraped the shit out of that poorly coded site and dumped a lot of reviews (but not all, sadly) into my own dbs and when you can full text search with all user id's seeing when they were created, etc, it's extremely easy to see fake reviews being written. If you want I can pm you a few screenshot links so you can have a laugh at how blatant it was.  

There is a booker who employed a poor English review writer (or more likely he/she just wrote it themselves) , he'd write with same grammatic mistakes from different accounts throughout his fake reviews and half the site was calling him out on it. There was a bot farm split between a shitty LA agency and a bay agency. There was a bot farm working at the meme girl place,in total her org had like close to 5k reviews I think

The story ends with the admin coming back to flurry of fake reviews complains, and cleaning up shop. Dozens of people ended up banned via ip addresses. All kgirl profiles were hidden from plain sight and all reviews as well. All orgs were not welcome anymore. The admin even called out some people. He called out all the orgs and said all of them were playing dirty. He has logged ips to substantiate the claim, and many of those ips that were used to update kgirl profiles were the same as ones used by supposed mongers. I can pm you the link. While both sides were responsible for this, clearly the orgs bore the majority of it, behaving like pigs in a pigsty with no supervision.

Again, I have a lot of ammunition against orgs. More than you can think of. The question is how to use it wisely. I have some ammunition I would hope to never use. But, never say never.  

Finally, in kgirl industry, in my experience, girls don't match you with reviews. Indie providers, sure. Kgirls, they typically don't even know who's on schedule. My atfs have no ideas I'm coming through that door. Unless bookers actively text girls the guys review scores for them, "customer coming he reviewed you with a 5 last time", it seems very far-fetched. Some girls are so worked up during the day they cant remember what they ate in the morning or how many clients they had.  

Cheers

And just like monger being made an example, wouldnt an org being banned from a review site for bulllying for negative reviews, an EXAMPLE to other orgs? Lol. You only see it one way, for some reason.  

 
About money - I always have said that I'll be willing to pay way more if it resulted in girls being more fresh, less backs to backs, as it results in better service. 220 is the cost in the bay, bbfs included. I'm willing to pay 3x that for my atfs.but for many subpar girls, even 100 bucks is too much. So yeah, I'll take a price hike if it means no harassment form the orgs. Any day of the week. If you reread what I wrote, I wasn't talking about a boycott. I was talking about everyone just writing honest reviews "as is"  

But what you still don't appear to get is that I don't do it for myself. I will relentlessly pursue any bullshit orgs try to pull, and will stick up for the little guys - the "idiot" newbie mongers, as Jensen called them. This is me sticking it to people who effectively fuck them over. So no, thanks for the suggestion though.

history on this board of mentoring newer guys into the Kgirl scene so they can get what they want and avoid what they don't want.  I don't consider it "sticking up for the little guys" because that sounds condescending as hell. I consider it helping guys the way I wish I would have been helped when I was new.  In your case, we will just have to take your word for how altruistic you are and how much you have helped other guys In the past.  At this point, we don't know that you're not also a little guy, because you're an alias with one review.  

 
So YOUR way of "sticking" it to the people that "fuck you over" is to stick it to the girl?  To ruin her personal business?  Sounds like you take it out on the girl if the booker gave you a hard time.  I hope I'm wrong about that.  Maybe I can get away with a little more because of my longevity and high volume with the bookers, but what is wrong with just telling a booker (that you heard does bait and switch) when you book that you don't want to waste anyone's time so can he tell you if the girl you have requested is the same girl in the ad photos, and if you get there and she's not, you won't be staying or paying.  I would only say this to a booker who has a history of bait and switch with multiple confirmations from guys I trust, but under those circumstances, its a legit question.  If he won't answer, then I will pass on the booking

 
So what is your plan to get an org banned from TER for what you call "bullying."  How would you go about doing it?  Convince us all that you're not just a Don Quixote.

I was wondering when the review dick-measure contest will begin and my account will be under question.

My 'real' handle has zero posts and zero reviews. I only use an alias because some people participating in kgirl forums in the bay area scene know who 'rocketmanqwerty' or 'rocketmanp' or 'rocket_man_asdf' (yeah Im on switter too) is. The 'real' handle I also used on NS for like 50 posts. So this alias is more recognizable.

I certainly never wrote as many reviews as you. I've seen nowhere as many working girls as you, considering I took what was almost a decade long break from AAMPS.  But, I know how the game works. But you know what, I take it back. You're welcome to teach me the wisdom. There is always something to learn. I will interpret it myself though.

No, I don't date prostitutes, nor would I ever really want to. My relationship with kgirls is of a pump and dump variety. It saves me time and saves me from playing games when I just want to fuck and bounce.

No, I don't golf with bookers, because I consider social interaction with someone who preys on newbie mongers and doctors feedback to make money, beneath me. I'm afraid leaving me one on one with a booker would result in a lot of hospital bills...

And by the way, any gifts, perks and extras for being VIP and having connection to a booker, would render you as having conflict of interest in your reviews for girls from that org. Just sayin'.

Oh and last but not least.

Be careful what you wish for. Org affiliates on previous site laughed at me when I repeatedly told orgs to stay in their lane (advertising) and leave writing and curating of reviews to mongers. Guess who got the last laugh ? It was fucking glorious. When the admin was shitting on them, that was music to my ears. And I vowed to come to whichever site they will choose for reviews next. And this is the site, if you haven't guessed yet. I'm opening up shop. Gonna be a hot summer.

I never advocated anything besides writing a TRUTHFUL review.  You know, this is how this thread started. When people started to advising licking the boots of bookers and withhold useful info from fellow mongers about a NEW girl.

If a girl is a 6 in looks, she can't do much about it (at least face-wise, exercise works on chubby ones). If she's old, she can't be youthful.  

This doesnt mean I have to give her something else. Read TER guidelines for reviews what the reviews SHOULD be.

My atfs are like all 6 and 7s MAX in looks. Some are below average (arithmetic mean is 5, so below average = less than 5). Nothing wrong with that. My favorite kgirl ever is milfy, with somewhat boxy frame and a loose vagina. And Ill mention that in any reviews of her. Because thats important information, just because shes a freak in the bed might not be to another's liking. Like Ive said before, people have walked on her before. and Im pretty sure you know orgs dont like mongers walking on their appointment.

I never "take it out on the girl". Girls are services that orgs provide. It's not personal, it's business. If girl provides shitty service, me giving her a piss poor grade is not taking it out on her. It's me warning others to stay away. I wish her all the best future endeavors in other professions, but Ill be sure to warn mongers that she's not good at what we pay for. Bros always come before, well, you know what.

Going back to service industry, if a mechanic 'fixes' my transmission and it dies two days later, I'm giving him a shitty review and will warn others. am I taking it out on the guy ? No. Im taking a very deserved shit on his awful job. You dont get a special princess pass if its pussy youre selling.

Girls are an unfortunate collateral damage when I aim for orgs. Unless they retire and start managing orgs, then they stop being girls and become the same 'bookers' and the rocket launcher will be aimed at them too. I dont discriminate.

Most girls like me, or at least most make an attempt to show that. I treat them with utmost respect. I never tell girl if Im not enjoying the session or how Id rate her, unless she asks. Yes, there was a girl who asked me to rate her after the session, and asked me to be very honest. and I was honest, and she liked the honesty. She, unlike orgs, could take honest feedback. Next session was much better. And I still wrote review based on the first session, full of honest details and above average score, noting that it may take some time getting on the same page and if they arent planning a repeat, it might be best to skip

Why would I disclose my plans on an open forum, where org watchdogs roam, ready to report whatever I post ? I may talk/post a lot, but I'm not that stupid. Lol. Why would I give these plans to someone who golfs with org reps and openly brags about it ?

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You say in this post that you give the Kgirls the upmost respect, and then in your post below, you say they are just a "pump and dump" for you.  That doesn't sound respectful to most reasonable people.  Its interesting how you talk about giving scores and all the girls you're reviewed, and yet,  you have one review.  So where is all of this info that you are providing to other mongers and the help you're giving to Newbies?  Maybe not all of them want to see Amy, who you beat down pretty well.  Were you warning others to stay away from her?   Or did you consider this a positive review?  Are  your other reviews under another name?  Or are you speaking about what you PLAN to do when you starting reviewing girls other than Amy?  Are you planning to write more reviews on TER to slowly build cred for your claims?  It would be great to see some evidence that you are actually looking out for Newbies like you say you are.  A healthy number of reviews would certainly give some support to your claim that this is you goal.  

 
When it comes to the basis for reviews, LOOKS are subjective.  There are many different tastes among mongers as to the kinds of looks they find appealing.  SERVICE is objective.  We all know what good service is.  You either get it or you don't. The review should reflect the service and not the menu.  Never telling a girl if you're enjoying yourself is setting them up for a bad review.  Communication DURING the session is paramount in allowing her to tailor the session to what you will enjoy the most.  Without your feedback, you are just affirming that its going to be a less than stellar session.  Why not give her the opportunity to give you a better experience by telling her when she is doing things that you enjoy?  Are you intentionally stacking the deck against her?

 
You keep bragging that you have taken down orgs.  I don't know of any that have closed up in the past six months except for Covid.  Do you have some names of the ones you were successful in forcing out of the biz?  I would love to see that list.  Since you're using an alias, there's no personal blowback to you for naming names of your successes so far, assuming you DO have some.

Um, yeah I treat girls with utmost respect. However, let's face it, I pay for a fuck with a kgirl. I want to get pleasure for myself with no strings attached and I don't care about pleasing the girl much. Where exactly is the contradiction ? I nut, we shower and I leave, and very little conversation happens. I like to talk in puns, and if the girls aren't getting them, it ain't no fun. So what is it but a pump and dump with awkward sign language ? I don't get the girls numbers or kkt, because I'm not terribly interested in seeing or talking to them outside their job.

This review of Amy wasn't actually bad, I like her service and I think she can improve. Pretty sure I mentioned it in the review. Have you actually read it ? I didn't warn anyone to stay away from her, but her face is pretty old even for milfs. I pretty explicitly said who she is recommended for and whether I would repeat.

 And like you said, service is objective, therefore its easy to find fake reviews. I agree with you about service being objective and looks subjective. 100%

This review was written for another site, which I mentioned a few times. That site had a slightly different grading structure with 4 elements (face body service and attitude) going up to 5 stars. You demand other reviews ? You will get them. I am not a fan of TERs policy of privatizing reviews, but I can transfer my previous reviews to here, why not.

There is no stacking the deck or anything of sort. My point is that if I think her service is shit, I'm not telling the girl that. Especially since I do not speak korean or mandarin (I know a few phrases) and using apps is just broken telephone. I don't want to make it a double whammy and piss her off there. AND then the review. And while I thought before about talking to the booker, now I just write up a review.

I don't brag that I take down orgs. I said I contributed to orgs being kicked out off neurotic donkey. And I applauded it, because it got rid of blatant fake reviews done by orgs.

Actually taking down an org is a drastic measure I don't really want to resort to. Because it hurts mongers in the short run. And declares all-out war. Although there are a couple that probably deserve it, and one of them is in LA. Rhymes with base bay town

tightly wound now.  I'm just trying to have an honest debate about our conflicting opinions about the business.  its not personal.  I don't even know you, but I would  like to both know you and understand you.

 
So as far as TER goes, you just started posting a few days ago and have  one review.  Did you review somewhere else before?  When I started reviewing here, I already had 400 reviews on AF, so most of the guys here know me from there.  Are you in a similar situation?  

 
Sorry, but I have to call you out on one thing on your post above.  The orgs make this hobby so easy that some of us sometimes forget that what we are doing is illegal and can have devastating consequences if we are caught or discovered.  So those of us that participate are technically corrupt as we are more than willing to take the risks that come with a criminal enterprise in order to enjoy the benefits.  Its like weed, Its illegal to buy outside a dispensary, but millions of people knowingly break the law because they want it.  Pussy is the same.  So it seems a little duplicitous to think  yourself superior to the other people involved, like the orgs and the girls.  Just because they are the purveyors and you are the buyer doesn't make you any less criminal than them, so to denigrate them by saying you would not date a Kgirl (only you said prostitute to make it sound like they were lower than you) or socialize with a booker is a double standard, given your own participation.  Because you're addicted to the low-end BBFS girls, I can understand why you wouldn't want to date one, but a few guys I know that married retired Kgirls are in some of the happiest relationships I have ever seen.  Marriage is not my thing anymore, but I have enjoyed a number of real life relationships with both active and retired Kgirls who did NOT offer BBFS to their customers.  If you understand their mindset about their work, you would understand why it works so well.  Despite your low opinion (even though you give them the "upmost" respect), they are real people just doing a job, and many enjoy having a relationship outside the workplace, just like women in other jobs.  They just have high standards about who is suitable.  I could list what they look for, but that's a different subject for a different time.  If they get the vibe that you look down on them, despite what you think, they probably DON'T like you, but they will pretend to like you to keep your money coming in.  They make more money that most of their customers, so you will get better service if you treat them as an equal.  They can see through token "showing respect" and have a sixth sense for guys who look down on them. You won't get their BEST service by a longshot.

You say I'm addicted to low end bbfs girls. What ? Im in all orgs in the bay sans one. Im addicted to good service girls, not bbfs. Im anti-bbfs actually, but I stopped THAT crusade a while back because it's useless. Too many bbfs lovers in the bay who only want bbfs. All indians want to fuck raw, no joke. You know how it is, you know the other site that has a 'korean bb beauties' thread for LA . And Id be a hypocrite too, because sometimes I give in to the temptation too.

Dude, Im going to give you a link to my em posts or something. Please stop with the assumptions.

Yes, Ive had something like 20 reviews on EM and a lot of mini reviews on the forums there as well. Sometimes a girl would leave before I could manage to push out a review. Then I'd just not do one.

I dont date working girls not because I'm "better". I just don't like the concept. Besides, dating a girl who barely speaks english and who looks older than me in most cases, would cause some eyebrows in my circle to rise. I hobby in secrecy and prefer to leave it this way - as a side hobby. I hope you understand and respect that as a fellow monger.

I dont look down on anyone, ANYONE because of their profession. Im happy for anyone who is in a happy relationship, and I sincerely wish them the very best. But like you have your preferences, I prefer to not date working girls (if you dont like the word prostitute, which is a perfectly fine word imo). Working girls are some of the worlds most needed and hardest jobs, I'll say that.  And  many of these girls are troopers, serving 10-12 customers on a busy day.

You have too many assumptions going on here my dude. Dont spin it to make me look like a working girl hater or that I look down on them.

Let's take it to pm, if you don't mind. This is getting too ofttopic.

You do seem to have a rather low opinion of people who are actually in the business. Bookers especially. Not to mention that you did use the term "prostitute" as a slur. You don't "date" hookers, fine, but your tone did have a bit of a superior attitude to it which IMO was completely unnecessary. That wasn't due to any spin by CDL, you have to own that one yourself.  

 
This is not the old days of "pimps and ho's" I've never met a K-girl who wasn't here willingly although I have met a few who regretted their decision to enter this line of work and who went home well before their "tour of duty" was over. One of my  K-Girl GF's who was mid thirties "real age" I think she advertised as 25, used to look out for a lot of the younger girls and helped more than a couple of them who weren't cut out for this business to quit and go home.

 
All that said, I DO agree with your opinion about reviews and "sucking up" to the bookers. I disagree with you on a couple of your other points, partly to do with our relative ages and different experiences with "prostitutes" I'm sure. The last thing I am worried about in "most cases" when dating an Asian hooker is that she is going to look "too old" for me, although I will confess there are a LOT of them who really are too old for me. I am 61, the oldest girls I am going to date are mid-late thirties who all look under thirty to the average white person. I have had a lot of "sessions" with Asian women that I knew were over forty, but with two exceptions that I can remember over several decades of doing this, I have never dated a hooker over forty, and only a couple of non hookers in my entire life either come to think of it.

 
Ok, sorry to butt in. You guys can go back to your little spat uninterrupted now. lol

 
Oh, one last thing. Personally I judge people here on what they say, NOT on their pedigree of reviews which means nothing to me. I guess you have probably noticed that I have ZERO reviews, and I laugh at people who think that means that means I know less than them. CDL is often guilty of making that kind of mistake, but in my case at least it didn't take him long to realize that I did indeed know at least as much about "this" as anyone else on these boards, so don't give up on him just yet.

Fair enough about the prostitutes comment. I never say never, so maybe down the road I could see it happening. It's hard for me to date anyone who doesn't speak English though. Especially if it's a serious relationship and not just fooling around. But make no mistake about it, I have respect for girls and work they do. Now, is "hooker" really that better of a term tho? When you use it, it jars me more than "prostitute", which is formal. Lol.  

About my opinions of bookers/orgs (remember, some of the people doing schedules are just paid entities) - I have zero problems with them as long as they don't engage in anti-consumer behavior.

Suppressing mongers feedback and creating/paying someone to write a review masquerading as a monger are both examples of extreme anti-consumer and anti-monger behavior that I have zero tolerance of.

Even with mongers.  
If you receive monetary, sexual, or any kind of favor from a booker/org, you probably shouldn't review their girls either, because that's a conflict of interest.

Meaning, if you are the guy who cosigns a lease, or who drives the girls to the airport, or ubers the clients in vegas, or delivers fucking water bottles from Costco, and you receive any type of reward back, you reviewing their girls is breaching the "honest feedback" agreement, especially here on TER. At the very least then this preferential treatment should be fully disclosed in a review. And if you're dating a girl or being very close friends with the girl beyond her job, definitely means you shouldn't be reviewing her.

LOL - last I looked none of us have double jeopardy protection in the forums.

I am happy to put this in the past but think those comments deserved to be called out and were clearly completely unjustified. In fact the crickets comment is generally used by those that deserve little respect of slack as most times they are the child in the discussion whining because the adult realized an actual discussion was impossible. IN other words, maybe I should not have been willing to take your apology at face value. Now, I am not saying that description is being applied to you here and now. More explaining my thoughts when I decided to make the post.

I am going to respond to your comment elsewhere as I think that is really where some substance exist. You want truthful reviews. Who here has been suggesting otherwise. I don't think any has been.  

What I think is going on though is you appear ready to see reviews that do not follow you grading standard as being untruthful. I do not think that is justified; both performance and looks are too subjective in nature so one man's (or woman's) 7 can honestly be  8 or 9 to someone else. Because that is the case scoring on reviews runs into all the problems everyone here has discussed many times. We still don't have a great solution and likely never will.

However, to address that problem of honest reviews having a challenging interpretive aspect, would be where we start. Simply putting the definitions/description for the 1 though 10 doesn't accomplish that all that well but perhaps that is the best we can ever hope for. To bring all the reviews into a more standard interpretation some form of "training" might be needed/useful. How to do that?

Well, perhaps no one should be allowed have a review published until they have submitted at least X review. 10, 15, I don't know what the number would be. I know the first several reviews I submitted were not all that good even though I would have said they were honest review. I suspect hat is true for most.

Should TER have something like a peer review process to help reviews calibrate their scoring to some more common standard than naturally exists? Not sure that would actually change anything but might work with the above every review has to go though the TER Review Training Program (TERRTP) and they could even offer a nice shiny certificate of achievement.

TER could use some AI agent program to identify reviewer that are consistently, significantly different in assessment indicating they have lost sight of the TER ISO9000 review standards guideline and need to fix their reviewing.

Now, as I commented elsewhere in the thread, I suspect that will likely not produce much different results because I think the problem you've been beating up here is more of a molehill than a mountain.

BTW, when I use the term hooker, I use it as a term of endearment. lol Some of my very best friends are hookers.  

 
That said, I give you a pass on "prostitute" fair enough? lol

 
One last thing, I think we all know that most agencies, Asian and otherwise employ shills who write the first, and always glowing reviews of all their new girls. It's as common as stock pics and equally unlikely to go away.

I'm not sure what exactly you are arguing here, tbh.  

The only thing I can say about this post of yours is that one site out there has review comments. People can point out if a review is fake. The problem is that it will go both ways. The orgs will likewise use fake accounts to say legit bad reviews are fake. It will just be a tug of war unless there is some concrete proof. Still, it's probably better than what ter has. People can also ask questions in those comments.  

Yes, I want honest reviews. While I have my own grading scale, I don't think I ever said reviews that have scale different from mine are untruthful. When I refer to "fake" reviews, I actually am referring to actual fake reviews written by organizations themselves, bots or shills.  Again, I can pm you images of how they look like.  
A lot of them had so little effort put into them, they are copy pasted.  

Or you can engage in that exercise yourself on here by checking out the first reviews of new girls of same agencies. You'll notice some patterns.  

 
Anyway, the op argument was to whether write a review or not.  
I said, for sure. Make it honest.  
You said, no, only after two bad experiences and only if he's into reviews.  

I'm trying really, really hard right now to not make a snarky remark about this because just typing this out made me fucking angry. In service industry, the customer is always right, but in this industry customer is trembling in fear of being cut off, is humiliated and has no rights under the POs. Pathetic.

I now feel like I know where your were before coming here recently and why you have a low opinion of bookers and orgs.  I agree that Exotic Donkey was a cesspool. I spent one day there just looking around and felt I needed a tetanus shot afterward. They allowed so many fake reviews, many of which were  fake AND negative, so I think the orgs just felt that what they were doing by writing their own fake reviews was justified as damage control.  I agree that has been a dark moment for orgs, but now that they are all off of that site, and that really can't happen here because of the rules TER has, I think they will clean up their act.  A lot of guys joined that site, even though it was beneath them as far as honesty and integrity, only because TER went dark in the US.  Now that TER is back, that site is completely superfluous.  

 
Just a couple of comments about your other points.  There are a few negatives to dating Kgirls in real life, but IMO there are way more positives.  If guys here are interested, it might be fun to have a discussion with guys who have dated Kgirls on the outside and everyone share what they thing their GF's were looking for, and what the mongers were looking for in a Kgirl.  There has always been interest among newer guys who come into the Kgirls scene about real-life possibilities with Kgirls.  If you do a search, you will find some of these from the past, and there are many interesting opinions from guys that have done it, including GaGambler and myself.  BTW, I would never date one that didn't speak good English.

 
I suppose we will always disagree over the scoring of hookers.  (I use this term affectionately, not pejoratively.  I like it better than prostitute).  I can guarantee you that when it comes to providers of ANY ethnicity, none of them consider 5 to be "average".  They consider it a slander.  However, if you are talking about all women on the planet, including overweight biker babes, bowling alley mamas and the like, then I would certainly agree that 5 is probably the AVERAGE.  

 
Lastly, mongers should always remember that Kgirls come and go, but the bookers are the ones you will be dealing with for the duration of your hobby career, and they are the gatekeepers that allow you to see the girls you want.  Just because someone is "approved" or "screened" doesn't mean they have any "rights" to see anybody.  Who you get to see is always up to the booker, so while I agree there is no need to intentionally curry favor, doing something that they won't like just means you will not be a very high priority for them in getting you in to see the top girls that you want to see.  Again, this is why I developed my own scoring system using the top of the TER numerical scale.  I can simultaneously waive my fellow mongers off of a "below average" girl, while at the same time, not being considered a business-killer for a girl trying to make a living.  Just my own perspective.   We don't need to continue to argue this.  We just need to accept that we will never agree.  Lol       I think we have more in common than I would have thought from your earlier posts.  

I have tried very hard to only, or at least mostly, use the term “provider”. Sometimes I will quote somebody else’s term as I have done elsewhere in this thread. But most of the time you’ll see that I stick to calling of these women we see providers.  
Still, y’all use whatever term you want.

I said the name of the site many times. Not sure why you only got it now.

"They allowed so many fake reviews, many of which were  fake AND negative, so I think the orgs just felt that what they were doing by writing their own fake reviews was justified as damage control."

This is simply FALSE. Most of reviews, due to sheer number of them, had extremely high scores. FFS, one girl had 1000 reviews. That girl had 84% perfect score (5), 13% 4 score and only 2% reviews were three or two or one stars

Again, in this case, I'm 100% sure I know this WAY better than you ,because I have scraped reviews right under my nose. RIGHT NOW.

Here you again with assumptions aimed to somehow make orgs look better. STOP. The reasons there were fake reviews on there is because the EM administration was lenient, and once some orgs started doing it, the rest followed. It was a competition. Same thing happened on their ad forum. They had a fucking ad arms race, posting ads, going from 8 hour interval to 1 hour interval to 5 minute interval to so much as 1 minute interval between their fucking posts. They fucked up the site's server for fucks sake. This was the first purge. The next time they caused problems, they got kicked out.

Here, they are not as prominent now, because of what happened. But the shills still put out reviews. They just try to not make it look obvious and put more effort in it, and they dont do perfect reviews. But they still review their own product.  

STOP making it seem like it was the site that was the problem. It was the greedy orgs. The excuse of "everyone was doing it" is not a valid excuse. Word to the Nuremberg trials.

 

You also didn't seem to understand the point of my weed story. It was about the " dealing with for the duration of your hobby career, and they are the gatekeepers " part. Not about putting the dealer under financial pressure.

The point of that story was, that Id rather die than live with my balls cut off. And I will never, ever be bought by pussy or money over my beliefs. If I consider someone a POS scum for fucking with what its entirely CUSTOMERS AREA (feedback), making fake reviews and silencing opinions, I dont give a shit that theyre my boss or my kin or the fucking guy who can end my life. Theyre getting shit told in their face and probably swung on. I don't make business decisions. I always stand by my beliefs, and Im willing to die for them. Again, pussy is replaceable, my balls aren't. And I don't break them for no one, you understand that ? (Tony Montana nods)

I think we have way less in common, actually. I dont value networking, I never brown nosed anyone in my life for favors, and Im not planning to.  You, on other hand, golf with a booker and brag about it. I dont doubt for a second that you will be more than willing to screw over some random monger youve never heard of, in order to continue to be in "network" and continue getting your fix of pussy. Because, that's pretty much what you keep on saying. You seemingly can't grasp the concept of burning a bridge between you and your supplier over a belief. I tried telling you this in a form of a story, and you completely missed the point.

Never in my life would I make up an excuse for masquerading as customers. I'd rather go bankrupt and starve to death while being waterboarded than pretend to be a customer giving feedback. I dont do compromises. I will not be a piece of shit scum only thinking about money. No sir. Im willing to be blacklisted from the entire fucking country, if it means bringing one piece of shit scum to where it belongs.

You have more in common with mufftime than me. I dont know what orgs dick taste like, and you wont ever see me find out.

Blah != Bad

You've been confused from beginning and attacking your strawmen that your claim have been me. Feel free to put me on ignore or not, response or not but please never PM me again.

If you can't sell me your position on the board, its not going to happen privately either.  I answered the short one from yesterday.  Yes, my response is deservedly condescending.  The LOOOOOOOONG one, I didn't even read.  Just deleted it.  You are becoming TSTTT.  Jensen and I agree on some things, and not others, but we agree on this.  No more PM's please.  

 
You keep calling this a "service industry" which you want to be "consumer-friendly", with "customer-service" like you get from Amazon or at the mall.  HELLO!!!  This is NOT an industry, its an illegal enterprise.  If you think its geared towards "consumers", you should write your reviews on YELP and not on TER.  This whole perspective of yours about sex workers being held to the standards of legal businesses is just making you sound like a loon.  The fantasy is supposed to be over when you leave the incall, not remain in your head in perpetuity to justify trying to change the world singlehandedly.  

Lol. The whole point from beginning was about whether to write an honest review or not. I said of course,  you said no. You know damn well not writing a honest review about a bad or blah session increases the chance that a newbie unsuspected monger will take the bait. The org and the girl take the money and laugh all the way to the  bank.

I didn't even say anything bad in my last reply to you. All I care about is that orgs stay awa from the review side of business, which is bad.  

Weird that you stopped making the set ide industry analogy tho.  

In service industry, the customer is ALWAYS rifght. This doesn't quite fit your narrative, does it?

If you think that writing fake reviews for their own product (ie LYING to your customers in order to get newbies to bite) is reasonable in any circumstance, then we have nothing to talk about.
Even ter forbids this.  

You are on the side of the booker, its that simple. You have your good ol boys network, there's a solid chance you get preferential treatment by being buddies with the bookers, and in turn you write what they want to hear. You are bought by pussy.  

Awesome, and the people who pay for this are unsuspecting newbie mongers who look at reviews and research for hours trying to find that perfect girl.  

Basically good ol boys network, members get a mediocre experience and don't write any review. The girl get shill reviews some newbies bite girl and org laugh all the way to the bank.  

Instead of : monger takes tofft, gets a crap experience, writes a review, other mongers read it and take notice. Org take it on the chin like men(or women) realize they have faulty product and replace it in due time. Bu bu my business money.. . yeah boo fucking hoo. Subpar product means subpar sales.  

And I didn't bring up the service industry, it was Jensen who did it.

Albeit a pussy-loving boy scout.  Lol    I already said I spent ONE day on EM before deciding it was a Cesspool, and that was before TER went dark in the US, so over two years ago.  The reviews from mongers were mostly fake, too.  They get too many details wrong, which proves they never saw the girl they are reviewing. So I do not dispute your claim that you know more about that site then I do, but I'm willing to bet that I know more about THIS site than you do, and that is where we are now.  You chose to operate in the cellpool, I chose to stay on TER through the US blackout, posting and reviewing via VPN.    

 
You say, . . . . .

 
 With respect to Kgirl Orgs, "Here, they are not as prominent now . . . . "  (suggesting they once were).  Newsflash . . . . . No Kgirl Orgs have ever been active on the TER Kgirl boards since I started here in 2008.  Nice attempt to spin your false narrative onto TER.  

 
Suggesting that I am anything like Mufftime just confirms you are a Newbie here.  Find ONE thread where I EVER promoted a Kgirl or an org, even on a Friday when its allowed.  You will not find any.  I may comment on a girl  someone else names, or participate in a thread naming current favorites, but I have never tried to promote ANY girl on ANY TER discussion board.  If you don't have a link, then you can STFU about that. In fact, go back through five years on this board, and you will see that I am the one who has most frequently called him out.  

 
So now that you have been exposed as a liar on multiple points, perhaps you want to dial it back a little on some of your wild speculation about TER, the K-Orgs that do NOT post or review here, and my history on this board.  How many places have you already been blacklisted from?  Usually, guys that become "crusaders" against the Kgirl business model fail to disclose that they have already been blacklisted by one or more Orgs.  Your rhetoric fits the exact profile of past crusaders that briefly posted here, before leaving when they realized they had no cred.  

And Jenseb, you first said I had no evidence, and when I offered to give it to you or anyone here,suddenly you didn't want it anymore.  

What I think is you simply don't care enough if orgs make fake reviews to sell their own product. Am I wrong? Well, either way, I think TER cares. I will work closely with administration on this issue.  

 
I didn't send you any pms after my apology either. You don't want pms, you won't get em. Lol.

I operated in "cesspool" only because this is where bay area korgs advertised and reviews were. And most mongers  roamed
 You sem kinda clueless. That was their place after aamp_maps, and then they got kicked out.
So now they advertise on their site that reviews for them can be found here instead of em.

 

My God, your reading comprehension is terrible. When I said "they are not as prominent now", I was talking about shills writing fake reviews for their own products. Compared to EM. I'm not talking about the board. I'm talking about reviews. I know the boards here are dead.  

Fuck it, you want names? You know sexyangels dot site org? The have at least one org affiliate writing reviews for his own product on here, just like on em. You want me to name names? I'll do it. I know this org well, they operated in the bay too.  

I also said you have more common with mufftime than me not because you promote someone, but because I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum. You and him always fight and I always am on your side when I read those threads btw. However, the gap between what I think is unacceptable and what you think is unacceptable is so wide you're closer to him than me. That's all

I've never been BLd in my life. I never give out any of my personal information or pictures, and I'm very nice to the girls. And orgs are greedy about money.  But I'm not worried about being bld for the cause. You are,on other hand.

Hope I answered all your questions. Again, I don't hink you're a bad guy. I have nothing personal against you. I will never, never, ever be cool with korgs writing fake reviews for themselves or policing reviews tho. For each fake or suppressed review they do, I sincerely hope they lose ten times as much money, because karma. And ideally, I hope they're in such state that they never can never fool a monger again.  

And I'm pretty sure if orgs  don't know your ter name, it wouldn't be easy to trace your monger persona to your reviews, if you're reasonably careful. Then you (not you in particular, but in general) can write honest reviews without fear of being pursued. I don't like compromises, but this one fits both of our values, no?

I wrote a review on the ‘blah’ girl.   You’re free to critique and sling arrows.  I tried to make it fair and balanced.  The real test will come this weekend when I try to book a session with another girl at the same agency.  

"Do you text the booker and let them know?  
Write a review that is less than glowing?
Do nothing.  Don’t bite the hand that feeds you these lovely ladies. "

That was the OP. You focus on ONE point -- and then add your HONEST bullshit as if anything in that post was asking about writing a fake review; or any of the responses were suggesting such an approach. Again, I'll go back to the point that no one here owes anyone else a review. Sorry I am mistaken. YOU think people owe you your honest review.

Now that we've cleared up your getting the actual OP wrong.

No, the customer is not always right. The reality is that in most cases the customer is clueless or they would not be asking others to provide something for them. The always right bit is about how the service (or product) provider interacts with the customer. They will be polite and respectful and when necessary try to be tactful in educating the customer about the realities of the service or product. The unique aspect of this situation is that the customer really cannot produce them self (unless we want to talk about civvie versus for pay interactions) but that aspect has nothing to do with the flaw in assuming that service phase means whatever the customer thinks is correct.

Seriously, just how old are you?  

[kicking myself for even wasting the time to response. clearly getting to the point of the idiot dragging everyone down to his level and winning with experience.]

have to take sides for or against bookers?  I have not been victimized by a single booker in 12 years, and have come to regard them as business friends.  I have had some dud recommendations, like most others have, but if you take recommendations from a booker, you are going to get some home runs and some strike-outs.  Its just the way it is.  Some of the new girls that I first saw on a booker rec went on the become legends in SoCal.  

 
You seem to be talking about a problem that doesn't seem to exist anymore.  If the bookers were all kicked off of EM, then it is over, right?  I have seen nothing like this on TER in the twelve years I have been here.  Yes, there are shills like Mufftime, but he's not a booker, and most everybody who's been in the game more than 10 minutes is on to him. You have to be pretty stupid to fall for one of his shill reviews more than once.  

 
Have you ever personally seen a girl that had fake reviews from a booker in SoCal?   Yes, the bookers want to help the girls get business, but I have never known of a booker that wrote fake reviews on TER.  Perhaps this is an issue that is endemic to the Bay Area.  In the past year, besides SoCal, I have used agencies in Las Vegas, DMV, Philly, Chicago, London and Hong Kong, and I have never seen a review written by a booker.  

 
Like I said before, I have managed to keep my disappointments below 5% during my hobby career, and lately below 2%.  When I get a dud, I don't blame the booker and I don't blame the girl.  I still got to fuck a young Kgirl even if the session was not great.  Maybe you haven't heard the old analogy that sex is like pizza.  Even when its bad, its still pretty good.  Maybe its time to hang up your armor and stop jousting with  windmills.  You have yet to point to a single review on TER that you allege was written by a booker/org.  On your other site, you say there were many, and I believe you based on what I saw the one day I was on the site, but the problem was already solved there, so why get your panties in a bunch all over again?

The problem is NOT solved; See my other post in the other reply in this thread.

There are reviews posted by org affiliates or mongers who have a conflict of interest on here (TER). In the bay. In LA. In Vegas.

YOU have not been victimized says nothing. You had private club for TOFTTs like you said, and you also said that each time you'd TOFTT, youd very often get an experience that wasnt quite to your standards.

BY SILENCING BAD/AVERAGE REVIEWS OF THE NEW GIRLS AS WELL AS WRITING CONFLICT OF INTEREST REVIEWS, ORGS ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR OTHER MONGERS WASTING MONEY.

It's a fucking pyramid. This is why I don't really care about helping mongers who are 'vip'. I mean, I still care, but it's not my prerogative. They are not the ones who are getting fucked the most. The vip mongers have pms and other. The reviews are aimed at folk who have no connections whatsoever.

It's the people who are just getting into the game, on the bottom of the feeding chain, who are getting fucked.

You are OK with orgs effectively fucking up the new mongers. I am not.  

Don't ever say we're anything alike, again, golf-with-bookers, until you're willing to sacrifice your good ol boys network connections to save some random monger who just got into the game. You're much more like mufftime.

I never stood and will never stand for willingly fucking over fellow newbie mongers.

I have seen some very reputable agencies who have always delivered great girls with great service still stoop to doing this to "get the new girl off to a good start" Yes, it's very dishonest, even when the provider herself turns out to be topnotch despite the fake reviews.  

 
I know for a FACT that this happens as not only have I seen it happen first hand, but I have also been asked to participate, which obviously I refused to do.

 
This is a problem that is hardly unique to K-Girls, actually I think it's LESS of a problem with K-Girls because K-Girls Agencies tend to deliver  very consistently good service. Like you I very rarely get bad service from a K-Girl, bit I do agree with Querty that bad service SHOULD be called out by guys who write reviews. I further agree that not calling out bad service, or even worse writing a good review for a bad experience is cowardly and guys who do so should be afforded ZERO credibility and should be shunned by the community.

First who has been arguing these things don't happen? The real question is are these such problems that they make the reviews completely worthless? Even with 100% honest reviews some guys are going to see a girl that was supposed to be really good, get the same service and leave with disappointed expectations.

I will agree that the monger has every right to write up the review from their perspective and as long as it is objective and accurate that is great.

I don't agree that the monger is under some obligation to do so just because they write any reviews. I would draw that line for the case or a true rip off, true bait and switch (not just stock photos that are reasonably representative) or cases where physical danger exists.

What's the real different between a girl that tours, or starts advertising, who after a few weeks has 0 reviews or has a few bad reviews? Neither is going to be getting many calls. To some extent the bad reviews are more trouble for me than the no review as now I have to figure out if the bad reviews are assholes or fair. And we also know some will write a bad review to get even with the girl for not offering a discount or not providing some service they want or THINK the girl provides.  

Sure if we start seeing a big or growing problem it makes sense to start calling things out. But particularly here in the K-Girl side, as you note, is a very trivial issue. But it is probably also worth noting, TER does have an approval process for reviews submitted and does attempt to weed the obvious bad out. Perhaps if the concern is about overall quality of reviews rather then suggesting it will be fixed by preaching at reviewers maybe TER could consider systemic tools. Lot of open source AI around it seems. Just how to train the AI is a different question but clearly if we cannot train such an application then this entire discussion is a pure moot court exercise.

then of course, I believe you.  All I have said here is that I have never seen it on TER, nor have I seen it with the well-known agencies in the cities I regularly travel to.  I did not refute Rocket's account of it happening on another website.  I didn't notice it, but I only went on that site for one day before realizing it was a cesspool of fakery from mongers, but did not recognize any orgs myself because I didn't know what names they would be writing under.  

 
There are a few mongers like Mufftime that shill for particular orgs by writing fake reviews, but once you know who the shills are, you know to give their reviews absolutely no weight.   If someone has a link to any shill reviews on TER that were written by a booker/org from an established org rather than a monger shill, then that would certainly convince me that its everywhere, not just on sketchy sites or among the smaller orgs.  

 
Many new orgs have come and gone in the last two years in SoCal that had one apartment, a booker and two girls.  They mostly recruit inexperienced girls with little or no English that will offer BBFS, which is in high demand among the millennial mongers here, so it makes sense that there could be some overzealous promotion going on, but I haven't seen ANY evidence in the cities I have been to that the MAJOR orgs that have been around for years are resorting to this.  In fact, the biggest SoCal agency, which when operating at full capacity with 24 girls across three cities, often have girls that come in and leave in three or four days because they are not getting any business.  If they were writing shill reviews, the girls would not have left for lack of customers.  

 
The experienced professionals from the Seoul salons, besides being better looking and having better skills, usually speak decent English, along with some Japanese and sometimes Chinese, which is helpful with getting the tourist business in the salons, where they can charge more than they charge locals.  These girls never advertise BBFS, although there are always UTR girls when it comes to BB.  This is why the reviews of BBFS girls consistently contain complaints of unattractiveness and a standard Kgirl menu that is below average.  BBFS brings in the young guys regardless of how plain a girl is or how bad the rest of the service is.