Do you ever do it? How long do you feel that its appropriate to stay before changing your mind? Do you leave any cash to compensate for taking their time?

My general rule is that I would never pay to fuck a woman that I wouldn't fuck for free. As long as I'd be willing to throw it in for free, I don't mind paying her for her time. Everything else is a far second for me. Even if she has a shitty attitude or her service isn't anything special, at least I got to bust a nut in a pussy up to my standards. I've been in the game since I was 22 and ive always been a good looking guy, so based on that standard I used to walk out fairly often. Less so now that I'm 43, but it still happens.

My opinion has always been that if you aren't going to stay you need to decide before you take your shoes off. For that reason I've always felt anxiety while waiting at the door. Sometimes it takes a second for my eyes to adjust and the pressure of having to make a split second decison doesnt help. And I have been wrong occasionally. There have been times where I really thought about bolting but stayed, only to realize that this girl is a knockout. And there have been many more times where she is standing behind the door in her heels and slutty outfit and I thought I just hit a homerun, only to realize she's kind of a dog once we get back to the room. At that point I feel it's too late though so I'll either go through with it if I can or I'll just pay for the hour and leave.  

I'm not stuck up or anything, I just can't fuck someone I don't find attractive. And having a pretty face has a lot less to do with it than you would think. A dog face with a smoking hot body is definitely a look. Ive always thought Rachel Starr is hot as fuck and she's kind of a dog.

And while we're on the subject, what's up with the fake pics? I get that most women don't want a real picture of their face associated with an escort site on the internet for the rest of time, but come on. Like I said, as long as your body looks great I'll still fuck the shit out of you. But using pictures of another person and just hoping enough people stay is just a big waste of mine and your time.

I walked into a door at a motel where I was expecting a young Asian gal.  It was a middle aged, fat, ugly white gal.  When I said, WTF? She said, “oh, everybody does it,” and I turned to leave.  A large black man stood in the doorway and told me to drop 100.  I said no.  He came at me, and I pulled aside my jacket, and my hand went to Messers Smith & Wesson.  He let me pass…..’

 
I booked a session once with a white gal — my mistake!  LOL — because she was billed as having great tits.  They were.  But….NO kissing, sucking, fondling of said breasts!  WTF.  Out the door I went.  Left fifty for her troubles.

I have been in this hobby for a long time and have never had the encounters you relate, but for me personally booking a gal who operates out of a cheap motel is tantamount to asking for a disaster.

Yea, motels are a dumpster fire. I get that it's the only option in some places, but what a bust. I rarely try independents anymore, but when I did it was so sketchy. The fact that I've never been stabbed in over 20 years in the hobby is kind of a miracle.

If you walk in and she is not exactly as pictured in her website or add, you have the right to leave.
If you make it to the appointment on time and she is not ready, you have the right to leave.  
I have done both of the above and will keep doing it. This is a business transaction. Both parties have to respect their end of the bargain. At the same time, if you make an appointment and have to cancel an hour before, you should pay for her time. Happened to me once and I rescheduled for the next day and paid her double , for time wasted the day before.
Its a 2 way street.

... many bookers will threаten you with blacklist and some will even go ahead with their threats.
So as a result, many mongers feel pressured to stay even though they don't really want to fuck this person. Their logic is that they "bite the bullet" and they will get better luck next time, appeasing the booker in the process.  In fact, this is an approach some people on this board preach. And I vehemently disagree with that process. Because you're paying for something that you don't with a deferred payload.
Paying to fuck a person you don't want to fuck just to be in "good standing" is an absolutely ridiculous concept.  

 
Hell, there was a guy on here who argued that walking once is fine, but walking habitually is not. I laughed at told him to use his head (theres an irony there for those who know). You either have a right to walk EVERY time you get swindled or you don't have a right to walk. Because otherwise it means they can mislead you every time but one. If there's a limit on how many times you can walk, then what's stopping them to swindle you every time?  

 
Anyway, I'm with you.  
In any business transaction, customer is agreeing to buy X. If that X is misrepresented, he has a right to decline the entire transaction. That right is very important to not forget.

... is a BS argument IMHP. Are they going to black list all of us?? are you kidding me?  I have walked out many times and the booker apologized and promised better next time. I black list them . Never think about them black listing me and cant find myself that desperate to give in to them. Who is afraid of who? The bookers make shit load of money off of us , you think they are going to black list everyone. I rather use my hand than give in to them. Never have and never will. I did the same with a Russian booker. Made an appointment to go and see a really hot blond. All was fine till she opened the door. A really drop dead gorgeous  brunette . I thought she was the roommate just helping me get in but then she said no she is the provider that I am to meet. I said no you are not. thank you and have a great day and left. The booker called me explaining that the one I booked fell sleep and couldn't make it.  And I told her the fact that you failed to tell me that before sending proves that you did not deliver what you agreed to and you are lying to me. Now had I seen the brunette In their web site, I would probably choose her over the blond one that I wanted to meet but the fact that they did bait and switch did not sit well with me. I am not a jerk but have too much respect for myself to allow a booker black mail me or put up with crap.

That's great that you hold your line, but many mongers, at least in the bay, are afraid to walk due to repercussions.

….in a galaxy far, far away…..

I would NEVER go to a motel today.

Strictly Kgals and only those with reviews…………

So is the business/hobby supposed to set the rules because of a few young guys who are scared of their shadow? Really? Many people have walked out, myself included, and not been blacklisted. So sounds like these young guys you talk about are either paranoid, or they’re assholes who don’t get blacklisted for walking out but rather for being assholes when they walk out or when they talk to the booker afterwards.  
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Oh, and nice comment about ageism Rocket, right after you engage in ageism by saying younger guys are more sensitive than older guys to a hooker’s age. Hypocrite much? I thought you were in favor of equality and mutuality of remedies? Then you try to argue that young guys should get more slack because they’re sensitive about fucking women who are 30+. 🤣🤡🤣 We’re all in the same boat irrespective of our age.

I didn't engage in ageism, so I don't see the hypocrisy.  

 
Some things are just biologically different at different ages, and I don't think it's far fetched to say that the older a man gets, the less attractive physically he is for a young girl. Similarly, for a lot of older men the difference between a girl who is 20 and 30 is small.  
For a man in mid-20s, it can be ginormous. I'd say anyone who had a sibling with big enough age difference could tell you how big the gap seems/is  when you're young and how gradually the gap diminishes as you get older.  

 

Also

 
"they’re assholes who don’t get blacklisted for walking out but rather for being assholes when they walk out or when they talk to the booker afterwards. "  

This makes no sense, because I'm talking about people who say in reviews that they should've walked but didn't because theyre afraid. They didn't walk so clearly they weren't BLd. But they feel bad about going through because they didn't really enjoy the sesh but were under pressure  

 
Again, if you have a hundred sessions in three months and walk out on a couple no one gonna give a shit. It's a different story when you walk out on five out of ten a year. Or - especially - start your first appt with an org by walking out.

How did this post turn into a brawl between the 3 of you here????

All of my walkouts were before the internet and later before I knew about TER.  More often, than not, I was going in blind,  Had no idea of looks or performance.  I know many of us in the Los Angeles area, can relate to reading the L.A Free Press or checking out the escort and massage ads in the LA Weekly.  And, then having to make an actual phone call to set up an appointment!  I haven't had to make a phone call in a long time to book.

I just remembered that one of the most beautiful women I ever met was off a Craigslist ad.  CL escort ads had it's moments.

Even with TER and internet, many -- if not majority -- of kgirl appointments is going to be you going in blind.  

 
Just because someone does say it's not the girl in the pictures, doesn't really tell you much besides that it's not the girl in the pictures. You don't get to visualize a face even if the reviewer is Balzac in terms of his descriptive ability. And most aren't.

A lot of reviews don't mention anything about the pics and don't give any type of useful description of the girl.
I always say something about the pic and try to give the best description I can.
And even that is subjective!

LOL, this is the TER K-Girl forum, home of the drama kings. Sorta reminds me of the days when that red guy had his book and the chat forum was like a WWE free-for-all between WKs, attention starved GGs. methed-up trannies and pimp daddy wannabes...  

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I always thought the closing line in the old movie Chinatown was the perfect model to the answer for that question.

Forget it, John. It's the kgirl forum.

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Yeah, that is pretty much the line that runs through my head in past cases like this.

 
However, I remain hopeful that the standards of discourse will shift from what we had to a more neutral, less judgemental and accusatory or simply antagonistic one to one more about just sharing info and trying to keep things fun and enjoyable with a general respect for others on the board.

I obviously cannot speak for others, but from my point of view....

 
as long as posts criticizing orgs, girls or bad consumer practices are met with resistance and deflection with cred questioning, the antagonism between members isn't going away.

 
And I'm not sure what is worse - pretending that these problems don't exist, thinking they aren't big problems, or knowing they exist but not wanting to discuss them publicly to the mongers' benefit (and not just select few privately.  

 
Just my two cents

Where seldom is heard a discouraging word (about K-girls),
and K-Town skies are not cloudy all day.

We should talk more about movies!  

This great Taiwanese movie is about a subject near and dear.

http://www.criterion.com/films/30521-flowers-of-shanghai

Not movie but TV - well actually streaming of a Korean web drama. _Hit the Spot_ surprised me by it's openness on both sex scenes and sexuality for a seemingly mainstream K-drama.

END OF MESSAGE

Bangqing Han.  I'd venture to say "Master Wang" is an autobiographical character.  After all, the author's name is "Bang King."  It sounds like he has a master wang himself.

END OF MESSAGE

I have never walked out on anyone before anything happened. In hindsight, there were a couple of time when I should with both SBs and escorts, mostly abroad beyond Canada.  

 
I have left early a few times, but never with a K-girl. Even if she isn't what you expected from her photos (old or photoshopped, not someone else), she would generally try to make it up through performance. When this happened, she made in worth my time and money on every occasion.  

 
I have relied on TER reviews, recommendations from reliable and friendly agency bookers for agency gals, and a few recommendations for independents from other independents. My luck would have probably been much worse if I had taken a chance with Eros, Backpage, Bedpage or similar sites.

saw a k girl early last year. pics were crazy photoshopped and she was pretty close to her 50's and had a raspy smokers voice. decided to stay thru the session and it was terrible. could barely get it up, somehow popped and left about 20 minutes before the session ended.  

few months later i see different pictures but a familiar face, but i try to TOFTT anyway. turns out it was the same girl. at the door "i say sorry, i saw you before" and walked out. apologized to the booker and she said it was fine and booked another girl for the next day.

If I felt scammed by Booker.  

Since entering the KGirl world in 2009 I have been lucky to have seen only KGirls I would classify as desirable. To me at least.  

I always try to develop a rapport with the Booker.  If the Booker is not interested in a rapport, then I don’t use that Booker.  

The Palace Booker was my entry into Kgirl world.   Back in 2009 before I discovered the palace, cityvibe was a big deal but I was very leery of the pics. The pics were just too good to be true.  Just like now on websites. Back in those days you actually had to call and speak to a live person.  I actually only talked to the KGirl a few times.  Usually it was a 3rd party person who was rather abrupt and not interested in discussing anything more than date and time.  

Technology advanced and now all my communications is through texting.  Texting has allowed me to “discuss” my preferences which is fairly straightforward: first appointment of the day,  Kgirl with a good figure and a nice personality.  I like over 30 year old  Kgirls who I can communicate with. I don’t want any misunderstandings or drama. I tell the Booker that.  It doesn’t take much English to communicate. Personality has to be nice. I never expect the KGirl behind the door to be the KGirl in the pics.  It’s an adventure.   I’m sure the KGirls are likewise curious about how we look and perhaps often disappointed when they see us.  To date, I’ve never been rejected by even really hot looking Kgirls.  It’s an ego booster to have a decent looking Kgirl not reject me outright. Lol. I know what motivates them but I don’t think these Kgirls are as desperate as some may think.  

After the appointment I reach back to Booker to thank them for their recommendation if indeed it was a good experience. To date, it has always been at least decent.  The Booker(s) have also kept me from bad experiences. Occasionally I would ask about a particular Kgirl and they would say she isn’t good for me…and they would recommend someone else even if it wasn’t on same day.  Once a Booker cancelled me at the last moment and referred me to bookergray for a last minute substitute.  I suspect these bookers all working together like one big syndicate.  

I don’t rely on pics on website. Nor do I rely on reviews unless they are consistently descriptive of Kgirl and/or experience.  Some reviews just slam the Kgirl for not being the Kgirl in the pictures.  

I recently saw a nice looking Kgirl who had a good figure and a good personality, recommended by a Booker.  Her only two prior reviews slammed her as old fat and ugly. I saw her anyway. She was mid 20’s atheletic and GND pretty.  She would be in the top 20th percentile of any random girl line up. Her only fault when you read the reviews, which were very brief and not descriptive at all, was she wasn’t the girl in the photo and she wasn’t a spinner.  The reviews were totally unfair to this very nice Kgirl.  

For me bookers have been a plus.  I’m in LA. Palace Booker.  BookerGray. CandyGirlLA. GardenKSecrets. I’m sure there are other good ones.  When a reviewer recommends a Booker I take note.  

When I go out of town I ask my in-town bookers for referral to an out of town Booker. When they can’t give me a reference I look at TER for reasonable reviewers in the city I’m visiting who are descriptive, polite and consistent. I PM them for their recommendation of a Booker.  I don’t ask them for their Kgirl recommendation because Kgirls change too frequently and I don’t like asking a guy for a Kgirl reference when I can just read their reviews.  

Will I ever walk out?

Yes, if I feel I was scammed by Booker. It hasn’t happened yet.  Sticking with a few reputable bookers has been key to my success.  

If I did ever walk out, I would be nice to the Kgirl.  I would probably apologize. I might even give her $100 just to be nice.  I wouldn’t take it out on the Kgirl.  I would text Booker and say there must have been a mistake and I would offer to go back if I was mistaken.  I would let the Booker make the adjustment to save face, if for nothing else.  This hasn’t happened yet. Perhaps I’m not picky.  Perhaps I’m realistic and happy for the decent Kgirls behind the door.  I treat them nice.  They have always treated me nice.

This was a good subject to discuss.