After you hit "Submit a Reviiew" and then "Agree" to the instructions, you get a page that says:
Submit a Review
Is this an Existing Provider?
An Existing Provider has a Provider Profile/TER ID.
[ box ID ] TER ID
If you do not remember Ter ID use Advanced Search
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Would it help if TER made a stronger statement or better instructions on that page?
Maybe they should add something specific, like:
"Search phone number for an existing profile here: [ box to enter phone ]"
"Search website for an existing profile here: [ box to enter website ]"
"Search email address for an existing profile here: [ box to enter email address ]"
...
"Thank you for cooperation to avoid the proliferation of duplicate Profiles."
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Whadya think? Make it an official suggestion on S&P?
OK, so for the longest time here many people here said that it's the bay area that has issues, but girls in LA are generally higher quality. And that LA mongers somehow have higher standards.
Meet Alice, a Thai mix that is peddled by kgirl orgs
Her San Mateo page:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/alice-6502033049-350796
Her LA page:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/alice-2133790301-353145
Her ratings are:
6.6 looks/6.1 performance in the bay
8.5 looks/7.1 performance in LA
And in the bay her price 220 vs 280 in LA. That's more than a 25% markup. So on average, LA mongers are supposedly a lot happier with the same product at a higher price.
So who has higher standards here? Who has a more stricter grading scale? This is the same fucking girl. Her face and body certainly didn't change overnight.
What conclusions can we make here? That bay area has a lot stricter scale for grading our products, both looks and service ? That LA has more simps and more mongers who are afraid to give lower scores? LA has lower standards? Higher review scale?
This isn't just for one girl, happens for pretty much every single girl who works both here and in LA. I got burned a few times back in another site when I looked at LA reviews of a girl from LA that were glowing. Same shit is happening here. For bay area mongers, remember this disrepancy in rating when you talk about grass being greener.
Ps. I will commend cdl, because he actually managed to produce a subpar review for this girl (round of applause),and she's still working. My dude, neve thought you'd be able to do this. However, giving her a 9 for looks? Idk,idk.
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There are two factors that can separately or together account for the difference . . . .
1. The LA list of reviewers are all long-time Kgirl veterans, with close to 1000 reviews collectively. The BA group only has one reviewer with more than 4 reviews; he has eight, so not even 50 reviews collectively from the group. So I think its pretty clear that without the experience of seeing a lot of Kgirls, the BA guys are lacking a solid frame of reference as to how Alice stacks up against the competition. Newer guys are also more likely to take the TER scale literally and consider 5 as average. Veterans know that, traditionally on TER, average falls into the 7-8 range for veteran reviewers.
2. The rate is higher in LA and the girl takes a bigger piece of the donation. Many girls give better service when they are making more money. Why give the same service for $140 that they give for $180? Most veterans know that once you give a girl a nice tip, future sessions are even better. She's giving it more effort because effort because knows she is going to make more money when you include the tip from a known tipper. Its just human nature. Pay someone more and they will work harder if they have integrity, and Kgirls are known for their work ethic. That's why they are so focused on making sure you cum as many times as you can in the allotted time.
Either one of these can account for the difference standing alone, but I would argue that its most likely a combination of both factors.
Lol. So you think someone like spoon is a new guy who hasn't seen kgirls? You think all bay reviewers are newbies? Spoon has hundreds upon of hundreds of kgirl encounters, he can distinguish the wheat from chaff just fine. Don't believe me, ask Twoon. Lol at frame of reference, get out of here.
What does effort have to do with looks grade? The looks grade is off by more than two points on average, dude.. LA dudes thought she's better by two points than bay reviewers.
What you're right about here is that the explanation is very simple. Bay area mongers have higher standards, they don't simp as much, and they don't give high grades by default. I can trust bay area grade on here far more than LA scores, where damn near every girl has 8+ in both looks and service as average. TER had been much better for us bay mongers than the previous site with millions of glowing reviews. And that's even with some fake reviews still going on here.
Again, a cautionary tale for my bay brothers. Don't believe me, look at the same girl who are both here and in LA. Some here are considered as average as fuck, and then the are hyped to the nth degree on certain forums and reviews. The LA grades are extremely inflated.
If you can actually read the juicy bits of spoon's review, you would have noticed he added some additional ratings for fbsa. It doesn't take a genius to know what fbsa stands for, and he gave f 7.5 and b 8.5. That averages out to 8, not a 6. I don't know how he came up with 6 overall appearance score based on his fbsa unless it's a hit piece.
Have you even seen this girl yourself? I hope you have, because giving someone else grief over their subjective appearance score without seeing her yourself seems like poor form. I know I liked and disliked certain girls a lot more than the majority, it happens and doesn't make anyone's experience wrong.
That's some goooooood eaten'!
reviewer named Chef Boyardee. Look him up. While TER was dark, he started posting on another website, and hasn't come back yet. He has 133 posts on this board up until the shutdown. He's a good guy with a great sense of humor, sort like you on a good day. Lol
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He does the same thing on the performance side as well. It is a bit difficult to make heads or tails out of what he is saying, other than the last statement - which I personally find a bit confusing but will chalk that up to not being interested in just fucking a bunch of different women. I would not generally suggest someone see a woman I'm not interested in seeing again.
But maybe it's worth noting as well that the max the girl could have gotten anyhow was an 8 so perhaps the 6 on performance was supposed to reflect that -- would certainly make the TER score and the FBSA score in the details more consistent.
Honestly, I believe it is “poor form” to use an alias to criticize reviews. I think it’s flamboyantly dishonest to spend as much time and effort criticizing the reviews of others as this person does without being willing to reveal his own.
Add to that the mind boggling number of occasions over such a short period of time he claims to have read replies and then blatantly misinterpreted and misquoted them, I’m becoming convinced this person has far less interest in being honest than in criticizing the honesty of others.
Still, this is my opinion based only on the evidence exhibited for all to see here on TER. Any and all may interpret that evidence however they wish.
And for those who don’t remember me having done so before, I will apologize and admit that I only have a few reviews here on TER. I’ve explained my reasons elsewhere. On the other hand, I spend absolutely no time or effort criticizing the reviews of others.
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I HAVE my reviews here under my name and I have NEVER attempted to hide them. I told many people on here to read my reviews if they want.
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/searchbyreviewerResults.asp?MemberName=team%5Frocket%5Fqwerty
Literally, you can find my name under a girl I've reviewed, and click on it, and it will take you to this page. I'm not hiding anything. My 'real' handle has like two accidental posts and zero reviews.
Instead of launching this pathetic attack on me, why don't you try address the topic on hand.
I did not say anyone's experience is wrong, I pointed out the difference between grades and that people in LA tend to hype up the same girls a lot more.
No, I have not seen this particular girl.
Sorry, you’re still dodging both being open and honest as well as the responsibility of deliberately attacking others by using an alias so
* no one can find your reviews without searching through to where you provided a link
* no one can block you when they find your constant rants and misrepresentations
Quit trying to dodge by saying someone who criticizes you is “off track”.
You accused me of not wanting to reveal my reviews.
" I think it’s flamboyantly dishonest to spend as much time and effort criticizing the reviews of others as this person does without being willing to reveal his own"
You blatantly lied about me not willing to reveal my own reviews. I will gladly show all my reviews to anyone who wants to do so. And I have done so. And we can discuss each one of them.
This topic was about comparing reviews of same girl by different contingent. You attacking me with blatant lies has little to do with the topic on hand. Hence why I think you should contribute something about the topic, and not about me. But you're welcome to keep attacking me. I have nothing to hide. Let me know if you want to discuss my review in detail.
Nice try.
You’re still hiding your reviews behind “they’re available upon request for the link”. We have to search through your huge number of walls of text to find that one place you posted the link? Really? You call that not hiding it? At the absolute minimum you should be posting a link to your reviews every time you criticize reviews in general or any other monger’s review specifically. To do less is being disingenuous at the very least.
What is most disquieting about your routine is how you claim to be so pro monger and against lying. But somehow it is OK to misrepresent and lie to us here in the forums. If you are going to insist on absolute frankness and honesty as you so frequently do here, you really need to do the same yourself.
Still, I admire your persistence.
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Lmao. What am I lying about to you on the forums? I haven't lied about a goddamn thing.
I don't hide my reviews anywhere, and I don't have a single reason to hide them.
The link is the same for everyone, you just substitute the name.
Click on anyone's review list. Let's say, yours.
This is the URL when anyone clicks on your reviews:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/searchbyreviewerresults.asp?Membername=useyrhead
Now replace 'useyrhead' in the link with 'team_rocket_qwerty'. Which is the name I use. Was this so hard? You don't have to request anything from me, you can look at it and anyone else's review when you desire it.
Now, do you have anything to say on content of the topic? Maybe the content of my reviews?
Do you wanna discuss reviews of kgirls, which is what this topic is about?
Misquoted again.
So, you've got nothing to say. Predictable.
I haven't lied to anyone about anything on this forum.
I don't hide any links, nor do I have to somehow copy paste link to my reviews into each of my post to have an opinion about reviews, kgirls, orgs, pos and everything that relates to them
My reviews are always available for anyone to see.
If you excuse me now, I am going to stay on topic and talk about kgirl reviews. Thanks.
And still deliberately misreading while pretending to take the high road. Repeating over and over that you are or are not doing something does not make it true.
Still *that* is what is called predictable. You are so often constructing a strawman position you can accuse others of taking so you can go back to your ranting without ever admitting any fault on your part. Do you really think people aren’t seeing through that act?
Quit the dishonesty. Start posting with your username so others can easily click on any post of yours and check your reviews rather than hiding behind the “Oh I’ve posted a link that is buried somewhere in a thread that you can find to go look up my reviews”. Though, if you’re too afraid of getting blocked, you can just start posting that link in every one of your posts. That would be progress.
But man up, dude. Stop hiding behind an alias. Maybe everyone will continue to read your rants. Maybe they won’t. Only one way to find out.
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Something that you don't seem to get is that if I post under my "real" username, none of the users will be able to view my reviews.
As I write them under "team_rocket_qwerty", there will be ZERO reviews shown under my name. You don't seem to get how TER works. Too bad.
You’re deliberately missing the point again. No big surprise. Nice attempt at a dodge, though.
What's your point then? No matter under which name I post, people won't see my reviews under my name in forums. It is you who suggested I can't criticize other people's reviews or patterns without showing my own. Which is an asinine suggestion, BTW.
"spoon" is. I don't recognize him from AF or TER, where I've been since 2008. You SAY he has seen hundreds of Kgirls and I have no evidence to refute that, but how are you going to trust a reviewer that can't put two numbers together and come up with a correct average? Is a guy who can't figure out how to get an average REALLY the example you want to give of the cream of BA mongers? Bwahahahaha
My review of Alice is consistent with my own scoring system. My reviews always are. She is young and beautiful, and I considered her "above-average", so she got a 9 from me. Her service was "below-average", so she got a 7. If you look up my scoring system that I have posted multiple times here, you will see that I'm consistent, always.
Meanwhile, you have BA guys who are saying in the review narrative they will "repeat" with her, but gave her a 6.
My brother Pied Piper who I will gladly follow...
Senor Spoon, as I fondly call him, was the TOFTT monger over at one of my fave orgs --) Viola's. If I had 100 + reviews at Neurotic Donkey, my esteemed friend had TWICE as many. I am privileged to get Intel from the likes of Senor Spoon and Golddust bros.
I will vouch for senor spoon too. I might not agree with his grading scale (I think he's actually too easy), but overall senor spoon has provided us with hundreds of reviews and communicated strength of weaknesses of many girls quote nicely.
I asked you how you can trust a reviewer who doesn't know how to mathematically come up with an average. He takes the time to break down his scoring into subparts, but it makes no sense in relation to his conclusion and final score. It goes to his cred as far as I'm concerned. Usually when scores don't match the details of a narrative, its someone that has little experience writing reviews. You and Twoon say he has written hundreds. If so, how can he make basic mistakes like this that are completely at odds with his final score. We have to conclude that either 1) he is new to reviewing, which you say he is not, or 2) his reviews are inherently inconsistent, in which case, they are not always reliable.
You should ask him. Spoon is generally very generous with his scores.
As far as consistency, I remember you saying you don't like fat girls, you don't fuck fat girls, and then you were caught red-handed giving a fat kgirl a 9 in looks. Even GaG called you out for it. Should we consider your reviews unreliable as well?
were generous in the narrative of his analysis. That wasn't my point. My point was "how to you trust a guy who doesn't know how to turn a "generous" score into an equally generous average?"
Senor Spoon is too legit to quit. Mauibro, Sagbro and Rocketbro have made it over. Still looking for mr.boji and Six to join...forgive me if I've overlooked any Nor Cal monger bros from NotAMPmaps and Nuerotic Donkey who have 💯 transitioned over to TER. Be welcome to TER my monger brothers!!!!!
Thank you TER kgirl mod!!!!!
My Pied Piper bro, taking pot shots at Senor Spoon is not a winning move. You're just alienating your Nor Cal monger brothers.
Why not instead welcome Senor Spoon like you welcomed me? If you like brother Sag I think you'll enjoy Senor Spoon. But that's my style.
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By Six are you referring to sixdnine? I’d be amazed if he got along with rocket. He was a self admitted what you and rocket would call a VIP monger.
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We got along about as well as Armenia and Azerbaijan, correct. Him shilling for Mias org was a bit too much.
First, he attacked me over me complaining about fake reviews. Then I caught him attacking some monger for saying Yuffie did bbfs,and outright lying that she didn't. Even tho she was advertised as such. And clearly shes a bbfs gal. Finally he promised to answer any questions to me and he failed on the very first one, refusing to answer it with "its not fair" (discussion had to do with how valuable are std rumors).
With all that said, he did outright state that he doesn't care for monger brotherhood and he's only it for himself and does not wish to help anyone. At least he was honest. Of course, I dug up an old post of his on RibMaps when he himself was a newbie and was complaining about fake reviews and calling to his fellow monger bros. That was fun. And yes, a good example of what happens when a monger goes full "VIP".
After that, he would randomly lazily attack me with snarky comments. Which sounds vaguely familiar,btw...But he wasn't posting much there anymore. After that robbery and especially after Tia left, LovelyAngels shills pretty much disappeared by themselves. And the org itself kinda almost fully moved down south to LA in like January.
Yup, Six is short for sixdnine.
And Useryrheadbro I didn't mean to leave you out! But didn't you use a different handle at NotAMPmaps and Nuerotic Donkey? It's hard enough recalling the kgirls' stage names but remembering monger handles is a true challenge. Ha ha
I recall Rocketbro getting into it with Six many a time. I don't recall Rocketbro getting into it with Senor Spoon. Rocketbro loves to argue and if he catches a 'Full VIP' monger saying some BS, he'll call them out.
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I’ve been going by useyrhead for a long time on multiple forums.
I was almost entirely inactive on EM. That site was just too dysfunctional and toxic for me. I got to the point that whenever I wanted to check on something there, I just asked one of my friends who was active there to let me know.
I believe that our single greatest asset we bring to anything and everything in this life is our attitude. Learning new skills and building new competencies is not that hard if we have a great attitude. If we find ourselves someplace that negatively impacts our attitude it is our responsibility to find something better and move on before we lose our edge. We only get two choices with attitude management. It’s either getting better or getting worse. Spending time on EM did not help me improve my attitude. So I stayed away.
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I'm not taking put shots, I'm just asking a legitimate question, and that is "how can you trust the review scores of a guy who doesn't know how to put two numbers together to get an average." So far, no one has answered the question. Since I don't know the guy, I'm trying to find out what criteria the NorCal guys use in evaluating the reliability of this reviewer. Everyone seems to revere him to a certain degree, so does he get a pass on his inconsistent review content and scoring because he's a friend, or what? Maybe you could get him to come here and answer for himself. Maybe there is a VALID explanation like a secret formula, or something, that is not readily apparent when you read the review.
combination of fear black listing and kho's manbitchs reporting on you.
and i think why SF has more somewhat truthful lower ratings is back in the days SF area didn't even use TER. they used this dedicated website unique to the bay area for reviews and ratings. TER had no presence there due to that site...can't remember the name. but then the owners got busted and that site got shut down. then i guess those same mongers who used that site moved over to TER and so the reviews and ratings didnt start out over inflated like LA so the avg in SF is more lower and somewhat closer to reality if the girl is a khippo.
MyRedbook or RB. Then NotAMPmaps. Then the fork in the road --) Nuerotic Donkey or TER.
History lesson over.
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That has been the attitude of K-mongers from the very beginning and that's what I've been saying since the very beginning - K-mongers don't give a fuck about TER. It's an insular community that doesn't follow TER's rules. They take, take, take from TER and give nothing back in return.
K-mongers know about girls who have "re-branded" as well as providers with multiple profiles but do not report them. They care more about K-girls and K-orgs than they do about TER and the accuracy of TER profiles.
Three million mongers have to follow TER's scoring system yet CDL openly states he has his own scoring system for
K-girls. Where three million hobbyists are supposed to give a 5 for "Average," CDL says 7 is "Average." (see his review of Alice). What kind of bullshit is that? it's the bullshit that K-mongers do because they are in their own little demi-monde. Fuck everyone else on TER. You don't like what we do here on the K-girl board? Too bad, get the fuck out of here. We don't tolerate any dissent or any criticism.
If Alice only had the Norcal profile, perhaps the Socal reviewers' scores would have been more in line with their fellow K-mongers from up north. They wouldn't have to fear the wrath of the orgs because their scores were consistent with the other scores of the reviewers who preceded them.
I went ahead and submitted a problem report, stating that Alice has two different profiles. Let's see if TER fixes this.
But as long as these are up separately, they illustrate my point well.
These two separate profiles with same pics and same girl still exist... Just sayin'.
in the OP I think the problem is:
1) Neither profile is currently showing a URL -- both say "Report New Website URL"
2) One says the girl is under 5' and the other says she is at least 5'3"
3) One says she is a B cup while the other says D
4) One has a what appears to be a personal email listed while the other doesn't have any email
I'm not sure just how I would verify the report that the two are the same as you claim. Nor would I have a good way of deciding how to merge the two profiles if I agreed with the claim.
I'm not sure this is a TER problem as opposed to a user problem -- if it actually is a problem other than the use of fake pics and reviewer that claim they are accurate.
This is where a League-type historical concordance of photos and names would really come in handy. You search names or scan photos and find out the Coco in Cucamonga is the same as Nana in New York and Wendy in Washington. (This was also when photos were generally more reliable, maybe with a little photoshopping, but not totally fake. And still the same pic for the same girl, even if she changed names.)
I'm not sure this is a TER problem as opposed to a user problem -- if it actually is a problem other than the use of fake pics and reviewer that claim they are accurate.
As of the time I wrote the post, both profiles showed links to website. I would assume you actually clicked on the profiles before,when I made the thread.
It's pretty dishonest to wait for when the profile was modified and then state its a user error. Wtf?
As of the time I'm writing the post now, one profile does not exist anymore. Just like a large part of my convo with useyrhead doesn't seem to exist anymore in this thread.
Anyway, of course, the profile was merged to LA one, even tho Alice is in the bay right now and her LA profile reads vacation. So a new profile will probably be made again by someone here. Le sigh.
The user error is clearly related to the profile created if they were in fact the girl pictured, give the differences in the physical description, don't you think?
You were the one that raised the issue of them still being up. I simply noted that as of today TER might not be able to verify your claims given the reasons I documented. What exactly would be dishonest about that?
Were you talking about those differences when the links were still up? Or when I asked if I needed proof? No. That was my point.
Anyway, the point is now moot as the profiles were finally merged.
I'll let you working on comprehending the point given the context as you claim to be so good at that.
Instead of yet another pointless snarky comment, can you tell me how a user can modify an existing profile's link?
I thought only TER could do that? At the time I wrote the post both profiles clearly had a link.
You claimed its a user error because one of the proifles stopped having a link.
Is it incorrect to assume it was TER who removed the link, as users don't have the power to remove a link that is still used and up-to-date?
Only TER can update anything in the profile to my knowledge. Everyone has to request the action.
What does that have to do with both size and cup size being completely different?
What does that have to do with why TER might not have merged two profiles or deleted one as a duplicate one? As you say, it's done now but you had a rather negative comment about how TER had not taken action on your report. I simply noted that the links were not gone -- and neither of us know if a TER admin ever saw them -- and other elements of the profile would make it difficult to really tell if the two were the same person of not. On that basis TER might decide that the fair and correct thing to do would be leave both in place. Given that TER didn't create the information in the profile it is hard to put that on either the provider or TER so that pretty much leave the reviewer -- that is the user of the review creation tool.
and TER has been slow to get to them, but do eventually. The problem is that there are a ton of new guys that are creating profiles for girls that already have them. It would be great if they looked first to see if a girl already has a profile and just add to her review history. Its actually easier when you don't have to set up the profile, just write the review content.
After you hit "Submit a Reviiew" and then "Agree" to the instructions, you get a page that says:
Submit a Review
Is this an Existing Provider?
An Existing Provider has a Provider Profile/TER ID.
[ box ID ] TER ID
If you do not remember Ter ID use Advanced Search
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Would it help if TER made a stronger statement or better instructions on that page?
Maybe they should add something specific, like:
"Search phone number for an existing profile here: [ box to enter phone ]"
"Search website for an existing profile here: [ box to enter website ]"
"Search email address for an existing profile here: [ box to enter email address ]"
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"Thank you for cooperation to avoid the proliferation of duplicate Profiles."
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Whadya think? Make it an official suggestion on S&P?
I was saying it would be nice if reviewers searched for the girl to see if she already has a profile and one or more reviews BEFORE setting up a new profile. If she already has profile, you just click "Review this Provider" in the upper right corner and you get the "Agree" page, but then it goes to a different template that does not require all of the profile info, only a few bits of info and the General and Juicy details boxes. At some point, they will get combined, which means the SECOND guy that filled out the profile will have his thrown out and his review content will be added to the review history on the first profile that was already up. So what I'm saying, if they find an existing profile for the same girl, review off of that profile and you save all the time and work of filling out a profile because the program puts your review with the existing profile.
If a reviewer did NOT start with a Profile ID number (ignorance, laziness, whatever), they will end up on the Submit > Agree > Submit page with another opportunity to enter a Profile ID or start a completely new (potentially duplicate) Profile. That is the page I was "quoting" and suggesting to be modified to make it easier or more obvious to avoid duplicates.
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But, yes, if a reviewer was already using reviews and already on the page of a Provider he (or she; hi lopaw!) he or she should just "submit a review" starting from the existing Profile.
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Go back and follow the steps I mentioned and you'll see.
I was saying it would be nice if reviewers searched for the girl to see if she already has a profile and one or more reviews BEFORE setting up a new profile. If she already has profile, you just click "Review this Provider" in the upper right corner and you get the "Agree" page, but then it goes to a different template that does not require all of the profile info, only a few bits of info and the General and Juicy details boxes. At some point, they will get combined, which means the SECOND guy that filled out the profile will have his thrown out and his review content will be added to the review history on the first profile that was already up. So what I'm saying, if they find an existing profile for the same girl, review off of that profile and you save all the time and work of filling out a profile because the program puts your review with the existing profile.
Well that's BS, unless of course I don't fit the bill of K-monger. I've submitted at least 3 problem reports about dual profiles in the past couple of months.
Interestingly I think all of them have been LA and BA reviewer so the guys on that side of the country really need to start checking a bit better. And I'm not talking about different names or rebrands but same girl, same name but two TER IDs.
Did they ever ask you to submit proof ? Most of the time 'old' profile link, the agency takes down, so I'm not sure how we are supposed to prove it then.
They haven't when I've just submitted the two TER ID's. Then again I don't expect them to respond in these cases. My understanding is that the problem report is largely about reporting a clear problem and the admins will just fix it -- given they agree it is a problem.
If you're not sure or if the situation is one that needs some type of explanation I think we're supposed to use the Contact Us form. The will reply to those interactions. At least that is what PerfectStorm has always said and I take he word on these types of things.
...there are some guidelines underneath the box where you type the Problem Report. It says:
"Examples of when to submit a Problem Report: website not loading or incorrect, incorrect phone number, a change in the provider's appearance or services offered, a review posted to the wrong profile, a provider has two profiles that need to be combined, a review is posted with a score that exceeds the provider's score maximum.
Examples of when to send in a Feedback: reporting a fake or fraudulent review, requesting an entire profile removed from TER, questions about VIP access, questions about why your review has not posted, any inquiry that requires a response."
In this case, 'a provider has two profiles' suggests a Problem Report should be enough to get the profiles combined. But a Feedback example is 'requesting an entire profile removed from TER' which is what is happening here with the second profile, so Contact Us would be appropriate too.
...she has the same name and photos in both profiles. Many times when a K-girl changes cities, the old ad will be taken down as you said. In a case like that, even if the #1 reviewer on TER says: "I saw Alice in Norcal and Alice in SoCal and they are the same woman," TER won't combine the reviews just on his say so. They need more proof even though the name is the same and the physical description is identical. It's even more difficult to prove when the K-girl's name is changed when she changes cities.
Ruby comes to mind as a recent one for me. At least 3 before that. Ruby is a frikkin disaster with a fantastic ass.
Careful, you might be attacked by useyrhead for using an alias and criticizing other reviews.
Sorry to hear about ruby. I wouldnt trust LA reviews much and downgrade by at least one star rating automatically for LA girls.
Here are some of her more down-to-earth less psd pics, straight from org website but not visible outright atm:
http://asianangels.ch/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/KakaoTalk_20200623_082228532-539x700.jpg
http://asianangels.ch/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/KakaoTalk_20200620_132340831-539x700.jpg
Hopefully they help someone out.
Looks like you did some detective work lol. How did you know there were more pics than were being presented?
I didn't know. I was looking through aa pics and found these. There are a lot of pics that are on the website but not being used to advertise a girl. Why - I don't know.
Not much detective work. About 60% of orgs use WordPress. When you upload pictures to use for wordpress templates they are stored at
website/wp-content/uploads
So for example you can go to http://asianangels.ch/wp-content/uploads
And you can view pics by their upload date.
Now, pics don't have names and lack context, but if you keep up with advertisers and girls who come and go, you can identify them easily.
I mostly use them to keep pics for identifying rebrands and for references when working on my project for mongers online to be able to identify rebrands themselves.
This is what I was talking about back when cdl threw that fit about the LA site. Some websites put passwords on their page, but they still allow you to view these folders and hence, pics. There are tools that allow you to download all photos in the directory so you dont have to view them one by one.
So anyway, I was just looking through aa pics for the year when I saw these and decided to share. Alice is definitely young for a kgirl, I wouldn't consider her a dime in any way shape or form, but looks are subjective.
Thanks for the detailed info. I wonder what the purpose is of the more normal, selfie style photos since they don't post them on the website. Perhaps it's for the org's verification purposes?
These websites are misconfigured so they are NOT allowing you to view the pic but rather failing to prevent the viewing.
Suggesting they allow such activity suggest it is welcomed and intended. Clearly not the case. If viewing was intended then links to the images would be present.
That they don't know how to disable the directory listing function in the website config is simply a security gap and you have simply exploited it and then shared that private information publicly. Other than your own privacy who's privacy do you respect? Clearly not Alice's.
Before the multiple busts in NYC and the disappearance of the KMPs, they did not display LINKS to pics of girls who had left but they did allow access to the old photos, if you knew how to edit a URL. That was very useful and important to support claims to TER that Coco currently at Secret Garden was the same Coco who used to work at Fantasia until one month ago (and maybe the same Coco who worked at Luxy 6 months ago, and so on).
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And yet another reason why we need a League-type archive to keep track of who is who and keep our memories alive.
These websites are misconfigured so they are NOT allowing you to view the pic but rather failing to prevent the viewing.
Suggesting they allow such activity suggest it is welcomed and intended. Clearly not the case. If viewing was intended then links to the images would be present.
That they don't know how to disable the directory listing function in the website config is simply a security gap and you have simply exploited it and then shared that private information publicly. Other than your own privacy who's privacy do you respect? Clearly not Alice's.
It is not a misconfiguration, by default directory listing is enabled. This is the default setting.
If I saved a link to a girls pic and then the link to the girl profile is taken down, but the pic still remains, am I also disrespecting the privacy by using that link?
If I'm looking at web archive that shows the old page with the link to the said pic, am I disrespecting the privacy?
Everything that one posts on the internet becomes public. Now, should people who manage these sites for orgs disable some things? Oh yes they should. Maybe one of the so-called insiders here can go and tell them that.
I am simply using publicly available resources here.
And FYI, if all kgirls (well,Alice is Thai) pics were similar to this, we'd never have any of those discussions we've had before about false advertisement.
If you read any information about securing a web server you will find the recommendation is to disable that function and that it is considered a risk and point of attack.
Regardless, it's not something that is viewed as normal access so basically you're saying, they left to door unlocked so it is fine that walked in and took what I wanted. Your attempt to suggest your behavior is acceptable and justified is laughable. The attempt to deflect to the issue of fake and grossly edited and misleading pics is just a red herring.
And yes, I do hope someone will tell the agency. I also hope TER will pull this thread or at least to portion with your stolen, and not public, information like they did last time.
This IS public information, like all the pics there. What the hell is 'normal' access to you?
What's laughable is your suggestion I somehow "stole" the pics. Get outta here with this nonsense. I didnt steal any pics, they are all publicly available out there and accessible to anyone who visits the site. Some of them can even be found via search engine.
There was no red herring whatsoever. Any time I find a pic that is on the same website that advertised a girl or on a website that advertised the same girl, or from a web archive, that bears more resemblance than the 'official' pic, I will share it with mongers.
I'm sick and tired of orgs feeding us fake and heavily PSd pics, and posters like you thinking it's OK and not a big deal and laughingly mocking us who are fed up with it, that they do it because "they can" . But once I post a pic that is actually closer to real thing, from the source, you raise hell. Your double standards are utterly disgusting.
by users of website. You of all people here KNOW that.
If you cannot access information on a website using the provided links on that website then that information is not considered made available to the public. You sound just like Trump when he tries to rationalize the bullshit he pulls or says.
So yes, what you did is illegal in California -- and I suspect most other places in the world. Again, the fact that someone forgot to lock the door is NOT an invitation to come in and take or use their property. Not that the issue was about legality given what everyone here is doing is illegal. It was about a sense of honesty and respect for others' privacy.
Guessing URLs isn't hacking. You of all people should know that. Some hacking can involve that, but it's as unrelated as noting that hackers eat.
Visiting a URL is like asking an employee to photocopy a document for you. As long as you don't misrepresent yourself it's absolutely reasonable.
We don't need people in your position adding to this culture of ignorance. The pathnames and parameters in a good web api are human readable, and human guessable, for a reason. The web is supposed to be human navigable.
If you (generically) don't like this, don't implement a plaintext service over a human readable protocol that almost everyone on the planet has a debugger for. If you must use this api, and place it in the midst of URLs you intend to be public, you must implement a password or use another intentional security feature.
Malls must mark private doors because the expectation otherwise (that they create) is that the mall is free to explore. By using http, and readable paths, and sequential record IDs, returning valid markup and unencrypted content, you're running a mall. Mark your doors or realize every area will be visited and plan accordingly.
Quit defending this legal nonsense or it'll soon be 'hacking' to ask for the next book in a series.
The fallacy used by Jensen is that he considers (lack) of visibility the same as privacy and vice versa.
This isn't how stuff works on the internet or security-wise, sorry Jensen.
(And btw comparing me to a lying politician (tautology here) like trump, biden or any other asshat of that caliber is highly insulting. Probably the most I've been insulted here.)
There is even a saying that security by obfuscation isn't security. Because it isnt.
Here, let me give some examples
go to bunnygirlsclub.com and see how many girls they have listed currently. So all past girls not listed, does that mean those links and pics are private ? No, it does not.
http://bunnygirlsclub.com/wp-sitemap-posts-page-1.xml
on the sitemap, that makes all those links available for search engine crawlers, we have indexes of all girls they've ever peddled. Via Jensen's argument, all those links are private. But this isn't the case. In fact, they are all public an no one in the world would argue otherwise. They are even available for search engines to crawl, FFS.
Here is another example - unlisted videos on youtube. You may *think* that if you create a video and make it unlisted it will be "private", because it won't show up in search and won't be recommended. However, it is PUBLIC but unlisted. Meaning if I make a program that brute forces through all videos ever created and I will extract "unlisted" videos, it won't be considered a breach of privacy.
Sure, I might not get through ALL videos because that would take forever, but I will find *SOME* unlisted videos that I can then freely share. And it's not a breach of privacy. Something being unlisted doesn't mean it's PRIVATE.
Here is the thing - public and private on the internet is all about gating behind access. If I keep pics under my account, and there is something I am or something I have that you need to show to gain access to these pics, then you gaining my identity or the thing in my possession IS, in fact, a c_rime. Something I am being some account and something I have is some token.
Jensen's analogy with the open door is bad. It would be a more valid analogy if the website had account name and password of their admin lying around publicly and I would then use that name and password to login into their account, download their info and pics. This would be me gaining access to private property or impersonation. Once I step a foot into open door, I am on someone elses property without their consent. Telling someone else that hey someone posted a password and login lying publicly right here is not a breach of privacy. Just like me telling Jensen of a TER review that has posted a public address of an incall, was not a breach of privacy.
Publicly available internet resources do not constitute private property. Running a vulnerability scan against a public internet website and sharing results is NOT a breach of privacy
I would really hope Jensen knows what he's talking about next time.