Yea, their ads or reviews say 25-30 but in reality, they're more like 40-45. Any K-Girls actually in the their 20s?

There are a few in their 20s and usually they get popular.

If they look good and their service is top notch, why should age matter!
It's been said before, it's just a number.

Yes, age is nothing but a number.

I would say the majority of K-girls are in their late 20s or early 30s.  Anyone who tells me she is 23 is probably 32.  I based this assumption from looking at my nieces and their friends.  My 27-year-old niece working as trader at a Wall ST firm looks younger than all the providers I've seen. Asian look younger.  Only late teen or early 20 provider I encountered was Ceroni when she came over to study English.

Although, since the orgs have been actively recruiting salon girls who will offer BBFS, we've been getting more lately, but still less than 10% of the total.  That they are young and have limited experience moves them to the front of line for a spot here on the basis they are willing to go bare with  every swinging dick that walks through the door.  The only puzzling part for me is reading the reviews from guys who seem surprised that these limited-experience girls are not that pretty and give relatively bad service.  It's because the BBFS is what is getting them a spot here that might otherwise go to a smoking hot girl who is GFE only.  Duh!!

Rocket, I didn't say anything about a false age.

Being Asian myself, it's pretty easy for me to tell the approximate age of an Asian woman. White ppl are terrible at guessing Asian women's (or Asian ppl in general) ages.

Right, I was just trying to answer "If they look good and their service is top notch, why should age matter"

Got it. I was looking at it from my POV.
Whatever my age has been over the years, from a youngster to my current maturity, I've always just looked at it as if she looks good, I'd like to get together and have some fun!
As far as when I was a youngster, it was a Mrs. Robinson type of situation^^!

Seems this practice is everywhere.  The actual age is not the problem; it's the expectation what's behind the door.  With the photoshopped pictures and inaccurate descriptions, it like a box of chocolates ...  

40 is the new 30

Rarely look at the age. I honestly couldn’t tell you their ages. I was seeing one whose ad said 24 I figured early 30’s she told me later she was in her 40’s.  
All I cared about was her service was, and is, A1.
Since I’m an older guy I actually prefer the more “mature” girls.  
Young girls can be fun no doubt but good pussy defies age . Haha

Just recently, a vet I know said he's done with toftts for the near future.

Chocolates huh.
Well, as long as the Kgirls are just as sweet^^!

with girls between 35 and 45.  They are more honest and open in their engagement and have better social and sexual skills.

You're absolutely correct that it is about the overall quality with adjusted expectations.  But for the UNadjusted hobbists, being a little disappointed at the first impression does effect the overall quality of the hour meeting.
I also believe this is the law of averages, which help adjust my expectations.  I hope my quality experience average goes up.  Pretty sure it's not, but I can still hope.  

at the first impression", are you basing that entirely on appearance, because FIRST impressions don't usually include the service aspect?  In what way does their appearance affect the overall quality of their service?  Just like when reviewing, I have always looked at these as two separate aspects of the overall experience.  I'm interested in hearing your perspective on how their appearance can bring down the service component.  I could be missing something.  

He didn't mention service anywhere.

And since I’m an older guy I can relate better to the “older” gals, although they are “younger” to me. Also, I’ll throw out a question. Even if she spoke great English, what level of communication would you have with a 20 year old?

to me like a reference that includes service whether or not he used the word, "service" . . . . .

I read it to mean that if he is disappointed in her appearance (i.e., the pictures aren't representative of the lady that answers the door) it tends to affect his overall experience. I tend to agree with him. On the few occasions I've walked in and found a lady that didn't look like the photos and didn't meet my liking (i.e., Binna at VAC) my attitude is one of disappointment, and the session tends to be less enjoyable for me.

I really don't have trouble having conversations with any of the Kgirls I see, regardless of their level of English or my level of Korean.
Even the limited Korean/English can be a source of conversation.
Besides, what amount of time are we talking about,15 minutes or 30 max?
That's not a lot of time, IMO, to talk to someone and have a little question & answer conversation.

Who we think we will meet is based on all the given data, including picture, height, weight ... basically the advertisement.  Based upon the data, most of us create an expectation of a meeting.  This expectation is either surpassed, met, or disappointed.  At this point, we develop our first impression at the opening of the door.  And as we learn in life, first impressions are important.  This is not to say, the meeting will be a bust, but it just put the girls in an uphill climb.  The agency/advertiser puts the girls in this position with the misleading ad.  This is expected in the Asian crap shoots or one-and-one agencies.  But, the more reputable agencies that do this is confusing.  Their clients are a captive audience.  The charade is quickly found out at the opening of the door.  Why do this?  The more newly joined seem to be more effected, as they don't really know game.  So say their reviews.  Some have been very upset.  I've also been many times disappointed, but kept my chin up and manned up,  Be clear, there is nothing wrong with an early 40 year old, GILF, the fat/pudge or the ugly.  I need mental preparation prior to each meeting.  Think it like this:  you are expecting to meet a 27 years old white girl, but behind the door is a 47 year old white girl.  If I was expecting a 47 year old, my meeting may go much better.  This is how first impressions impact the overall meeting, not necessarily their service.  Just my 2 cents.  

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not too long ago, after a satisfied session with the new girl, we were chitchatting in bed before final shower, typically I'd ask new girl where/which city she's from, where's current home base....or what's prior profession before US....
this newbie paused for a second then replied after  grad. HS in K then 2.5 yr here in collage, so there's no prior job. her answer kind of surprised me, though the girl does have the young look, and even made me feel a bit guilty.  
there are a few really young KDs,  but very rare!

very confusing info,  however, didn't someone  explain several times the age math  long time ago, probably CDL,
20-25 = young in 25-35
25-30 = mature in 35-45

It's actually incredible being able to hold a complex conversation where someone understands jokes with innuendos, double/triple entendres and so forth.

your favorite member of BTS?  I'm guessing your favorite is Jungkook and hers is V.

the last time I had communication issues with a Kgirl, even when she's a 90-day wonder and I'm TOFTT (no reviews).  The ones we get now communicate much better, in my experience, generally speaking (there are always outliers).  Like in many countries across the globe, the percentage of students that take English during their school years is rising in Korea, so the younger ones will generally be more fluent than the older ones that are new to the US.  Once they've been here a year, most are pretty good, unless they have only worked in Ktown.  

This looks like a two-way street to me ^^!

BTW, I know about Forrest Gump!

Two way street would be if he was getting paid

I started seeing Kgirls in 2008.  In those days, the photos were reliable as far as their bodies, but their faces were blurred so that you could not even get a close idea of what to expect when you walk through the door.  Photoshopping technology has changed a lot beyond blurring but it hasn't really changed the end result, and that is that you don't really know what you are getting until the door opens.  I commend you for at least recognizing that it's not the girls' fault.  Some guys will take it out on the girl with a scathing review because she did not look like the photos.  You are supposed to review the girl you SAW, not the girl you were expecting to see.  

Ok, I guess I just took the money out of it and was looking at peoples hopes or expectations.

Totally agreed.  It is like the Big Mac used in the McD ads vs the actual Big Mac you got via the drive thru.  

Your whole comparison is based on comparing expectations of seller and buyer. These aren't remotely equal.

It is true that psd and dolled up pics of big macs don't trigger false advertisement class action lawsuits (yet)

welcome to repeat it as many times as you want until every Kgirl monger understands it.  Lol

Let's do some math that is so easy even a scarecrow could do it.

Ya know Rocket, you could have left it at, "Two way street would be if he was getting paid".
Or maybe I should have!

height as a factor in my post.  I said I add 10-15 pounds to the advertised weight SO THAT I WON'T BE DISAPPOINTED.  I didn't say I wouldn't see them.  And yes, 5-2 and 120 is not going to be a slender girl, so I would consider her too fat to see.  If she is 5-6, then 120 is reasonable and she can still be slender.  There is no weight stated in the profile, so I'm talking about adding 10 pounds to the ADVERTISED  weight if she's short and 15 pounds if she is a taller girl.  This practice has served me well over the years.  

But you did say "I bet a lot of guys would be turned down if they had to send pics and stats!"

Another unneeded lesson!

It's a transaction, plain and simple, not a dating service.  One side wants the money; the other wants the ass without strings.  

These are just data points.  Wouldn't be easier if we did not have to guess what's behind the door?  It makes for an overall enjoyable experience.

spell it out.  If she's a short girl, I add ten pounds and if she's a taller girl, I add 15 because she has more mass.  Why would I add 10 OR 15 to the same sized girl?  Once again, in case you're having trouble understanding . . . . I add 10 pounds to the advertised weight on spinners and 15 on taller girls, and I'm SELDOM disappointed.  That's 10 pounds on 5-2 and below, and 15 pounds on 5-3 and above.  Got it?   And yes, 5-2 and 120 is usually fat-looking to me.  Since you just bring bubble gum to your sessions and hope for the best, you have a higher disappointment rate than me, which you have long ago admitted.   Now you can proceed with whatever timewasting search of my reviews you want too do looking for an outlier to these parameters for a "gotcha".   Can you possibly get any more petty?  

Seldom disappointed?  You're lucky.  I'm maybe 40% of the time disappointed, 40% of the time met my expectations and 20% of the time exceeds my expectations AT THE OPENING OF THE DOOR.  And 15% of the time disappointed, 70% of the time met my expectation or content, and 15% of the exceeds my expectations at THE END OF THE SESSION OR OVERALL EXPERIENCE.  Bottom line, my sessions tend to be very hoe hum/meh, nothing earth shattering.  It does break up a very boring workday with my weekly ass.  Think Peter in the movie office space.  I have to say that seeing a flabby body disappoints me a little, no matter how much lbs. I mentally add.  But that's just me.

I didn't ask you to spell out why you add 10 versus 15   pounds, I asked you if - once you add that - and you end up close to 120 pounds which is too fat for you at 5'2- what do you do? Do you not see such girls?
Or just prepare for disappointment?

It's not a lesson, badger. It's me reiterating the same point.  

remembered the badge rocket earned very soon after he joined (though I don't know if you were here then or not -- want to say you've been on the board at least as long as rocket): TATTT (too argumentative to talk to). Some things never change and we'll always see the same names in the mad rush to have the last word on the right side of the page.

Please point me where I can try advertised kgirls  for free and I will shut up. Easy proposal. Deal?

I meant the pictures vs the actual. It has nothing to do with how many are sold or cost. LOL

The fact is, based on experience, you have a realistic idea of the vehicles before you ever step into the showroom. You’ve adjusted your expectations from the television ads long before you get behind the wheel for a test drive.

...test drive it before you buy it (or in the case of K-girls - rent it).

Yup. Looks like he’s gone off of his meds again. DOH!

how this business operates.  The orgs have to balance their security interests (You DO realize this is an illegal business, right, and the penalties can be quite stiff for the orgs if they are busted?)  with attracting business.  They have decided to conceal the true identities of the girls. 90-day wonders don't much care about having their real photos used, but the permanent girls who have a private life in the US like having their identities protected.  Just like a person who doesn't know how to swim can figure out a way to enjoy the beach, we have to learn to make the best of the Kgirl scene the way the orgs have set it up.  It's their game, so it's their rules.  If you want to play, then find another hobby, but whining solves nothing.  

Hilarious Turns out we should be thankful to lies peddled because they (lies) keep us safe. Lmao.  

who is listed at 97 pounds is not going to get you into "flabby" territory, just kind of curvy rather than slender.  I used to be big on picking up a spinner and carrying her from the bathroom to the bed, but I stopped that after I banged one's head against the door jamb and it ruined the session.  Lol    But, it provided me with valuable skills on being able to estimate weights by looking at a Kgirl, and prompted me to come up with the guidelines I use.  Adding ten pounds to the advertised weight is going to get you spot on most of the time.    

More than our exposure to ads and how to interpret them (for any market and product) who actually pays attention to the ads for cars. Don't most people look to things like Consumer Reports or Car & Driver reviews?

that makes me look sexy.  Is that too much to expect?   lol

Whining?  Prostitutions has been around a very long time.  Once heard it was the oldest profession.  They make plenty of money with problems of depositing all the cash they get.  So I hear?  Good problem to have; wished I had that problem.  Even the low end girls are making six figures.  So I hear? Better than your average high school drop out bear.  Misleading the clients and LEO are not mutually exclusive.  The only point was that an ad that more closely(not exactly) representative of the girls benefits us, the girls and in the end the agency.  I never heard of an instance where the ad alone was used to prosecute a girl.  I don't think that it provides probable cause against the particular girl.  (NOT A LAWYER)  This is why the agencies/ad makers display misleading ads are confusing to me.  You defending this practice takes us backwards.  Just an observation.  

You must be in your 70's or just really jaded.  Never really understood my older friends banging the ugliest older girls at high prices, when they have plenty of cash to burn.

You have not answered my question about test drive. Why don't you answer it whether I can do so with a kgirl.  
I can even do FaceTime verification with an indie provider to make sure what I see is what I get.  

It has everything to do with it. Why dony you try googling false advertisement lawsuits.

You can think of my responses as a trigger. I'm not gonna say Pavlovlian response, but maybe.

Maybe he'll sue a Kgirl org for false advertising (outing himself as a customer in the process) and then he will disappear for good from here.  Lol

A nerve? I'm just explaining a relatively new person what false advertisement is and how it's treated in real world because he seemingly is ignorant about business liability. And why a false advertisement of an expensive good is going to be treated differently than a false advertisement of a big Mac.  

And it’s a good thing he’s not taking your advice on false advertising and business liability, because your take is very misinformed.

alleges that the company's advertising makes the "glammed up" Whopper appear 35% larger than it actually is.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/burger-king-sued-whopper-false-advertising/

Although I would like to think I know something about math given an ee/cs engineering undergrad degree and a cs grad degree... maybe I dont.

Ok I stand corrected. Take it up The Commission, since we are operating in The Underground Economy.

Rocket, I understand your view and passion about the unfairness in the P4P game.

Yet that does not really speak to the claim BMW was making -- or to rocket's claim either for that matter.

IMO, age has nothing to do with a good session!
I believe what you bring to the incall is what you'll get out of it.

The fact that someone is enforcing these makes for a DETERRENT.

Were good, Rocket!

defense lawyer will do is take depo's and ask each plaintiff how many whoppers they have eaten in their life.  The answers will likely be hundreds or even thousands for some people.  The next question is, "Why did you deep buying them if you thought you were being deceived?  No good answer to this.  The next question will be, "so you were really only deceived on the FIRST one, because after that, you knew what you would get, right?"  This sets the stage for an offset for the plaintiff's failure in their duty to mitigate their own damages.  Consequently, even if the plaintiffs win, they may only get the value of their FIRST whopper in damages, about $6 I believe, which will often be in the form of product coupons.  

Bro, I've never seen scumb@g l!ars defended this much outside of politics,where many go wtih partisanship - ie sheep mentality.

for blurring and photoshopping;  1)  The girls that LIVE in the US do NOT want their photos to be accurate because they have a private life outside of their jobs, some have family here and many have children (I know of many who have teenage children at home and if their real face was in the ads, they would not be able to do this kind of work for fear of someone showing the ads to their children), go to church, may have a part-time day job, are going to school, etc., and 2)  Homeland Security is now using facial recognition software at ports of entry and they are actively archiving prostitution ad photos.  They can instantly search a girl's face while she is standing at the immigration desk.  In the last 3 or 4 years, I have talked to several girls that have been detained, their passports seized, and investigated at immigration check points based on facial recognition software now in use.  They can't work while this is going on if they are using real photos, and that's what they came here to do.  Each time a girl has an immigration issue, word spreads via the Kgirl network (which mongers tend to underestimate) and it has a chilling effect on new girls coming here to work.  The same guys complaining about vague photos are the same guys complaining about not getting top girls lately.  If the orgs start using real photos, you are only going to be getting the girls that are so ugly they can't get a job anywhere else, and would be summarily rejected by most orgs by today's standards.  

Sex workers?  I prefer the more accurate term of EXTREMELY WELL PAID ESCORTS.  I was referring to an accurate age and weight, never a positing of their actual photo.  Nice pivot though.  I pegged you for an agency guy, but I'm starting to smell Jeju pork.

Well, badger. Think of your post as input and my posts as output.

because I thought you were a serious, albeit somewhat inexperienced, Kgirl monger.   Before you start to believe your own speculation about me, why not read back through the threads on this board for four or five years and you will learn everything you might want to know about me, and then some.  

Try Vibky at K Stars.  Early  thirties to my guess.